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Home » NSWC » Special Warfare Combat Crewman (SWCC) ORIGINS: PT-TORPEDO BOATS WWII

Special Warfare Combat Crewman (SWCC) ORIGINS: PT-TORPEDO BOATS WWII

by Bravo Three · September 7, 2012 · Posted In: NSWC, SOF History, Special Operations
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It’s hard to do justice where it is deserved especially when it comes to the guys from the WWII era. I would like to tell you about missions that dealt with inserting swimmers in the dark hours of the night in the Pacific behind Japanese lines. You know how it goes, the boat guys insert the Frogs, the Frogs blow something up and swim back, then the boats start blazing away and causing all sorts of mayhem and destruction. Death from the water. I would love to but it would be a work of fiction.

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Interestingly the PT Boat’s did not do much with the UDT’s during WWII, so what did they do? My last article was about the SEAL water taxis and to follow up I decided to get into the history and tell the story of the BOAT GUYS, but what I was putting down wasn’t measuring up. This is SOFREP and we just don’t write term papers on tactics and opinions, we tell stories and give insights on what works and what is crap. We learn from each other.

With that, “SWCC ORIGINS” will start with the beginning ( torpedo boats ) and end with today’s crewman ( Grey Team ). What you won’t get is a rehash of Google and Wikipedia info but the down and dirty from the men who were there and done that. Check out the LOADOUT ROOM for detailed info on types of crafts, weapons and tactics used.

“Splinters and now even Slivers are standing the watch as we old coots who crewed the Mosquito Fleet disappear over the horizon in ever-growing numbers.” This coming from a WWII vet known as Jack Duncan a retired Gunnersmate Master Chief USN(R). I spoke with Jack over the phone and what a pleasant and interesting conversation, he could talk your ears off and you would pay to have him do it. I haven’t laughed so hard in a long time, most of my phone interview was mostly hearing his sea stories and how “spoiled” I felt just by having hot running water.

The Master Chief was a crewman in Motor Torpedo Boat Squadron 5, the “Mosquito Fleet” from Tulagi and Iron Bottom Sound all the way to Mios Woendi in the Dutch East Indies during the Pacific in 1943 to 1945. Jack was the torpedoman on the PT-103, the first of the Elco 80-footers; then the PT-62, an Elco 77-footer and finally the PT-318. Ron 5 was decommissioned on February 15, 1945, at Mios Woendi and her remaining seven boats were transferred to other Rons. Jack joined Ron 5 as a barely 18-year-old Torpedoman Third Class and left it as a Torpedoman Second Class. He says, “I’m proud to have been promoted to Petty Officer Third Class before turning eighteen.”

The “Mate” was added to the rating of Torpedoman years later around 1947 or about the time a SecNav took away their right-arm-rating badges or “crows.” He then served much later as Command Master Chief of Coastal River Squadron ONE with collateral duty as Assistant Officer-in-Charge of variously the PTF-21, the PTF-22 and the PTF-26. This was a Reserve component assignment attached to an active Fleet unit as part of Special Warfare, Pacific. That service was from 1972 to 1976. Much of the missions he undertook were at night, while during the daytime hours the Army/Navy Airforce had fun with Japanese shiping. The main targets were Japanese ships but mostly supply and troop transport barges. Pretty much his R.O.E was to sink anything with a red dot on it, and he did not even have to ask a lawyer!

Deployments were slightly different but not by much. For example they slept on deck on their boats while us kids had a room somewhere. The senior officer was in charge and the junior officer was in the way, and yes…it was still the chiefs boat. Jack has laid undisputed claim to be the only WW II PT Boater to serve in the ‘Nam-era PTFs. The “F” stood for Fast. “Maybe you are wondering about a torpedoman becoming a gunner’s mate?” That was simple he tells me. He then says “On my return Stateside after a too-long first tour, I volunteered for a school in Florida mostly because it seemed like something different from riding little green boats.” Being a kid from California and having an opportunity to attend a school in sunny Florida was a too good an offer to refuse, he jumped at the chance. However during his excitement he neglected to ask what kind of school was in Florida . What he did not know was that the school in FT.Pierce was the UDT School House. BIG surprise. He had to change his rate from Torpedoman to Gunnersmate to initially qualify since torpedoman was not a source rate, he later graduated and then qualified as a UDT-Combat Swimmer, a Navy Frogman.

I had to ask if the PT crews conducted any operations with the UDT. Unfortunately no, not in a symbiotic role like today. They did happen as did with the Rangers and Marines but not specifically for “Commando” roles. He continued his carreer in the USNR after the war and then was recalled to active duty four more times for a total of 18 years on active duty. He returned to WestPac several times – as a Special Warfare Reservist – back to the Philippines repeatedly, Korea, Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Formosa Straits, even to Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean. He was able to add Midway Island, Wake Island, Kwajalein, Eniwetok, Guam and Saipan to places visited and earned more ribbons during a couple of more wars. Remember the term “fruit salad?” They also hung on his chest the Trident or Budweiser or Flying Pickle Fork gold pin of a Navy SEAL in addition to the Combat Craft device and the large badge of a Command Master Chief. With his contagious chuckle he says, “Cripes, I looked like a Russian General with a port list!” SWCC crews started out in boats of wood and men of brass, iron and steel. The wood may be gone…from the boats but the crews past and present are still made up brass, iron and steel. From the origins of WWII to the trial of Korea and Vietnam SWCC crews played an integral part of the Naval war strategy. It would be only a matter of time before they were recognized for their full potential to be known and used. Lessons learned; history has proven that men of will and stamina, strength and don’t quit attitude will prevail no matter what. Today’s NSW crewman are the same as when they first started in ’43. Can’t do it? Hey these guys did it with no GPS, radar or SATCOM. My ribs were in pain from the laughter and I had to end I thanked him for his time and with a parting question I asked, “What do you think about the new Navy uniforms?” a small five second silence occurs with a counter question, “The blue camouflage?” “Yes Sir”…”AAAAAGGGHPPPPFFFFFT!….does that answer your question?!”

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I love these Salty ol' Dogs.  BTDT own the T-shirt.  Permanent coffee cup "claw."  Real sailors, didn't wear "Aqua Flage."

 

OK, sorry 'bout the Aquaflage crack.  I dunno, dungarees worked fine for a hundred years or so, WTF? 

GoNavy
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I am with you there shipmate. Besides the Aquaflage, I don't get the new working dress uniform for enlisted (Khaki shirt and Black pants). I did hear that Aquaflage covered dirt well. I don't know why they just didn't go with dark Navy color pants and shirts then instead of the bell bottoms. I haven't heard much about the coasties. Did they come out with their own pattern too? Maybe Coastie can come up with a pattern for SARs and one pattern for LE.

StormR
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Loved this write-up.  It's great hearing the stories from those who were there and having the opportunity to recognize and honor their service.  And yup, the bottom line is the people and not the equipment - I could use a lot more of that 'will do' attitude in my own life.

Recon6
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 @StormR  Can't we all Stormy!  It is imperative that these stories be written and preserved.  Unlike our generation, schools no longer teach this type history of America.  I have a 16 year old

grandson that has Never heard of Viet Nam.  I have a 22 year old grandson that will graduate from The Citadel in May that will be a 2lt Marine!

IMO the educational system is broken and no one is particularly interested in fixing it.  Education and history go hand in hand, rather they Should!

Just wish more of these personal Histories come to light, and what better place than here!  6

StormR
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 @Recon6 Absolutely agree with you!!  Even my 42 year old son only read a few paragraphs in his history book about 'Nam.  I was livid!  And then we did some 'home study' on it.  I intend to do the same with my grandson and granddaughter - although that will be a family fight.  Their mother is a 'co-exist' person.  Fortunately, I think I'm tougher than her LOL.  .And congrats on your grandson!   I keep coming back to SOFREP because of the fine articles and writers...they tie the past, present and future together in an outstanding way. 

Recon6
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 @StormR   My son became a lawyer and adopted the entire agenda of subjects we shall not discuss!  I am an old dinosaur to him, full of militaristic thinking and different values.

Thanks on the grandson, he actually is a special young man!  We all expect great things from him as he has excelled in his academic life.

Hey, good luck on the 'co-exist' daughter in law, lol.  Seems that people with that mind set think if we just all get along the world will be a better place.  There are actually no Evil people that have a desire to hurt others.  If only it was really like that!   6

chrishutch13
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To comment on Mike Kry's Twitter question, "Do they ever go on missions with SEALs and act as ground combatants ?" and Brandon's "Not usually" reply, this was a first for me but I recently came in contact with a SWCC guy who did Pre-Ranger at 75th and Ranger School. I was really shocked at first and still don't really know his story how he got the slot but it seemed real enough from chatting with him. 

Bravo Three
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 @chrishutch13 Sometime ago the billets were either done away with or limited to a very select few. The command wanted to steer away from any possibilities of venturing into SEAL A.O's. RANGER School was to equip the crewman with the knowledge of small force ground tactics as to be an asset of a ground force unit. The command decision was to have SWCC crewman be masters of their domain, if they wanted to go to a ground force then they always could change communities.  SWCC crewman are not designed for ground work, they are the experts in small boat tactics, navigation, small arms, COMS and MED. They do not work with any SEAL platoons other than insert and extract, however there are some GREY TEAM members who augment for other's on a case by case basis. Hope this helps.

chrishutch13
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 @Bravo Three

 Thank you very much for the info, Sir. I've started looking at SWCC more since starting to talk with him and I look forward to reading other pieces you've written. 

SEAN SPOONTS
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I hope the Navy always has a place where those born to be Buccaneers can do the two,six heave.

Erek
Erek 5pts

Good write up!

ArcticWarrior
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I loved talking to those Crusty WWII guys, sadly not a lot of them left. Its important to get stories like these down.

 

Classic line -  “Cripes, I looked like a Russian General with a port list!” 

MikeKry
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@BrandonTWebb Are SWCC considered Special Ops ? Do they ever go on missions with SEALs and act as ground combatants ?

BrandonTWebb
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@MikeKry They are considered Spec Ops. Not usually

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