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Home » SOF News » News: America’s Secret War with Russia

News: America’s Secret War with Russia

by Brandon Webb · September 11, 2012 · Posted In: SOF News
America’s Secret War with Russia & Iran
Putin has made it very clear to America that they are supporting the Syrian leader Bashir. As much as I acknowledge the human toll and atrocities, there’s something to be said about loyalty. I have to give Putin and the Russians a hat tip for standing firm, and we best think twice about underestimating Russia and Iran’s resolve in this matter.

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What are our choices?

Where’s the strong coalition on the U.S. side?

All good questions to ask our elected officials I think.

Stray Chem Bio is Not The Least of Our Worries

Reports have it that the British SAS is running down stray chem-bio weapons caches and thank goodness for that. We’re a bribed border guard away from the next chemical or biological catastrophe on U.S. soil. A couple of the SAS were apparently and embarrassingly captured by the Syrians.

“As if the crisis along the Mexican border wasn’t bad enough, two veteran Border Patrol agents have been convicted for operating a multi-million-dollar human smuggling business in which illegal immigrants were transported into the U.S. in government vehicles.” Read more from Judicial Watch.

Trust Building

To the casual observer it seems like the U.S. is fighting a secret and losing war in Syria. If this was Vegas you would get great odds betting for America and our half-in support of the Syrian rebels. Sure, the CIA will throw a few weapons and some money to keep them in the fight, but that’s about the extent of it.

“We haven’t seen eye to eye with Russia on Syria” – Secretary of State Hillary Clinton

Not a very powerful statement in my opinion.

The U.S. continues to develop a disturbing trend of double talk and lack of loyalty to ethnic groups (The Kurds) and countries of interest. If the political winds shift we are quick to pull chocks and get the hell out of the fray, and this is not a winning formula for building trust or long term relationships.

Trust building is an essential building block for any relationship. My Army SF brothers know this best – they are experts at building networks of trust in foreign countries. Just look what they accomplished early on in Afghanistan.

America’s Secret War with Russia & Iran

Russia, Iran and China are not adversaries we should underestimate. The U.S. is keeping up just enough support to give the appearance of doing the right thing, but how long will this last? While the CIA and others wage warfare in secret, the Russians are apparently outspending and out supplying us in the Syrian arms race.

From the New York Times:

Russia, along with China, has vetoed three resolutions regarding Syria at the United Nations Security Council, but Mrs. Clinton had hoped Russia would show more flexibility as the violence worsened. Instead, Russia’s foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, publicly rebuked her on Syria, as well as on Iran.

“Our American partners have a prevailing tendency to threaten and increase pressure, adopt ever more sanctions against Syria and against Iran,” Mr. Lavrov said. “Russia is fundamentally against this, since for resolving problems you have to engage the countries you are having issues with and not isolate them.” (more here)

It’s a friendly game of real life chess, America versus Russian. We’ll see who has the stamina and desire to win. The tragedy is that the pawns are the Syrian citizens, and it will get worse before it gets better.

 

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Brandon Webb is a former U.S. Navy SEAL with combat deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, and elsewhere in the Middle East. His last tour in the SEAL Teams was as the Course Manager for the US Navy SEAL Sniper program, arguably one of the most difficult sniper courses in the world. He was formerly a contributing editor for Military.com, and currently the Editor-in-Chief of SOFREP.com. Brandon is regularly featured in the media as a subject matter expert on military affairs. An avid writer, his last two books (The Red Circle, & Benghazi: The Definitive Report) both hit the New York Times best seller list, and his writing has been featured in print, and digital media worldwide. You can follow him on Twitter @BrandontWebb

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HugeFan
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I wanted to throw this in there as well:

 

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/nj-pa-lukoil-franchisees-publicize-gas-protest/story?id=17217583#.UFEZuK7AHLQ

 

It seems far removed but I do recall Clinton Emerson's article a while back. Any thoughts? Oh and read between the lines on this one...

SEAL76
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The Russians  are loyal to client states. No doubt about that. We have no dog in the Syria fight and should stay the hell out. We backed the Libyans and look what we got for that. We backed the Muslims in Bosnia/Kosovo and went against Milosevic. Look how the Muslims love us now. That was none of our business and thank goodness we didn't suffer any real battle casualties. Neither side was any more evil than the other in that one. We are still engaged in Afghanistan and like the Russians and the British of long ago we will not win. We need to carefully examine who our allies and enemies are and act accordingly. The Arabs and Muslims are not our friends. The Russians will never have a democracy because they have no history of self governance. We have to be very wary of Putin and his henchmen.

SEAN SPOONTS
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@SEAL76 I respectfully disagree on us not having a dog in this fight. I think we do. It's Turkey. I'm begining to see some stuff that says Turkish SOF are inside some of the rebel units and leading them. Personally, I'd rather see Syria 'run' by Turkey than the Soviets or Iranians. The reason the Syrians were so snug against these two powers in the first place was to repel Turkish influences.

SEAL76
SEAL76 5pts

 @SEAN SPOONTS  @SEAL76 Turkey is a predominantly Muslim country. They could easily become the next Islamic Republic. Their vendetta against the Kurds is reprehensible. They have yet to admit responsibility for the Armenian Genocide. If they want to stick there noses into Syria let them. We can't afford anymore military adventures. Considering what has happened in Libya and the killings of US personnel in Afghanistan by Afghan troops we need to take a break from wars.

SEAL76
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If the US Navy was really concerned about OPSEC they would have kept the UDT name and trained every frogman in counter-insugency etc. back in the day. The Trident insignia which we all love would have never been authorized. We could have kept the Navy/Marine Corp Jump Wings and added the Scuba Diver badge like Force Recon. Why was a top secret organization selling SEAL TEAM ONE t shirts with the Cloak and Dagger SEAL on the back during the Vietnam war. When I was in Little Creek not very long after SEAL TEAM SIX was commissioned I noticed a sign the same size as all of the other commands on base. The sign was in the Disbursing Office. A big blue sign with gold letters over the counter that said SEAL TEAM SIX. All of the men in that line were in civilian clothes and had non regulation grooming. They all had pagers too. OPSEC for the Teams went out the window years ago. Isn't there a sign outside the SEAL TEAM Shh! compound  that says Naval Special Warfare Development Group? I could be wrong but I think I saw one when I attended memorial service for a fallen DevGru operator.

HugeFan
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 @SEAL76 Great point, I believe that there is less known about Groom Lake at this point then there is known about SEAL Team "Shhh"... LOL, hadn't heard that one before...

SEAL76
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 @HugeFan I got that from a retired SEAL Master Chief.

HugeFan
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 @SEAL76 That doesn't surprise me, thanks again for sharing.

majrod
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 @SEAL76  I think you made the same mistake I did.  Great post but probably be better in another thread.  I cut, pasted and deleted my previous post.

 

SEAL76
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 @majrod I reposted at a more appropriate area.

SEAL76
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 @majrod  @SEAL76 Thanks.

majrod
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 @SEAL76Great!  Love your insight especially being from the "Old Breed".

 

usapatriotonthemove
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Wow, no wonder past POTUS turn grey haired in 4 short years?  Lots to think about on many fronts, and it's a thankless job to boot.  Lots of very smart people out there for intel and guidance though...and there's no shortage them on this forum!  Great info here guys.  I never regret stopping by here and reading what you all have to say on the current status of things.  Good Stuff and much appreciated.  Keep up the good work.

Cheers  

reidcrawford6
reidcrawford6 5pts

with hillary in charge i'm surprised she hasn't tipped the scales for producing ww3 yet...idiot. oh sorry "imho"...idiot 

SEAN SPOONTS
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The stakes for Russia in all this are pretty high. They have billions invested there and upwards of 30,000 Russians living in that country. They are working on a strategic refueling base in Tartus for their Med. Fleet. The rebels are threatening to attack this base if the Russians don't quit sending weapons. Syria owes them billions for these weapons which a new government would stiff them for, The people most likely helping the rebels are the Turks who very much want that country in their sphere of influence if they can resist the temptation to annex the entire country outright. Syria was a province of Turkey for 500 years. Finally, Syria has a long relationship with Russia and the toppling of that regime might have disasterous political consequences for Russia. A regime change could mean disclosures about that Russian/Syrian relationship that affect Soviet and Russian support for state sponsored terrorism against Israel and the West going back for decades.

Contagio
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 @SEAN SPOONTS Just my 2 cents, but I find it hard to believe that the Ruskies weren't involved in "tech supoort" for the Chem/Bio/Rad facility that the Israelis took out a couple of years ago.  Also, weren't there some indicators (could have been rumors) that a large convoy of Russians entered Syria via Iraq shortly before we entered in '03? 

SEAN SPOONTS
SEAN SPOONTS 5pts

@Contagio Proliferation of chemical, nuclear and biological weapons is BIG stuff. The Soviets and Russians might offer guidance and some material support, but direct proliferation is too great a political risk for them to take. The guys who are really dirty on that score are the Germans and Italians They provided the most help to the Iraqis apparently with their chemical and biological weapons.

Contagio
Contagio 5pts

Also, wouldn't surprise me if Putin ran the gov't from St Petersburg.  He has himself set up quite well there.

Contagio
Contagio 5pts

 @Grigori Thanks for the info.  Didn't realize that but it makes complete sense.  I could imagine that the same could be said for their sub program?

Grigori
Grigori 5pts

 @Contagio  Most of the Mikoyan scientists and engineers were hired by Chinese defence corporations.This is why the ChiComs boast of indigenous fighter aircraft otherwise they were only known for copy-paste.

Contagio
Contagio 5pts

 @SEAN SPOONTS Also, still a large number of former-Soviet scientists and technicians floating around with knowledge for hire. 

Contagio
Contagio 5pts

 @SEAN SPOONTS  I know they wouldn't actually sell them the weapons but their "technical advisors" are what concerns me.  The Soviets signed the BWC in the early '70s and their CHEM/BIO program went up over 200% shortly after.  They have plenty of knowledge to "export".  I do know that the Germans have the technical and engineering know-how to make the equipment necessary for even a bargain-basement regime to start a threatening program.  A big problem is the dual use tech....stuff that can be used for Bio-Pharma research doubles well as offensive bio tech.

Grigori
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 @SEAN SPOONTS If the rebels attack that facility then they are going to get hit hard.Because the Russians will have a reason to use force and they will very happily send the Spetsnaz GRU or Vympel and as history has always shown the Spetsnaz gives a jack to the  Rules of Engagement/UN mandate.

wvbalrog
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@Grigori @SEAN SPOONTS Remember what happened in Lebanon a couple od decades ago when a Russian diplomat and his aides were kidnapped...the kidnappers killed the Russian ambassador and alpha team came in and tracked down the leader of the kidnappers and delivered his body parts to the group that perpetrated the murder. The aides were immediately released. I hope my memory is serving me correctly on this...

SEAN SPOONTS
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@wvbalrog From what I've read of Giduck he might not be the best source. Look for a piece by Benny Morris in the Jerusalem Post. In any event you are correct, I checked. Alpha doesn't cut off fingers....They cut off your balls.

wvbalrog
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@SEAN SPOONTS I would like to refer to one of the books I am currently reading in which the incident is described. The book is titled Terror At Beslan by John Giduck. Alpha doesn't "cut fingers off".

HugeFan
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 @SEAN SPOONTS KGB/La Cosa Nostra same difference when it comes to methodology. Bastards knew how to drive their point home...

SEAN SPOONTS
SEAN SPOONTS 5pts

@wvbalrog. Actually I think the Soviets grabbed a relative of the Islamist leader and cut off a finger and had it delivered to them. The terrorists then drove their remaining hostages to within a couple of blocks of the Soviet Embassy and dropped them off.

SEAN SPOONTS
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@Grigori I think the Russians already have troops in Tartus to protect the port. Some weeks ago there were reports of a Russian convoy with "Marines" embarked heading for the port. The media said the convoy was carrying weapons weapons for the Assad regime but I speculated that those weapons were probably for the Russian troops landing at Tartus and would include tanks and artillery.

Barnes
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 @SEAN SPOONTS Don't quote me as I have't looked this back up but isn't Russia's only Military or naval base outside of Russia in Syria also? I thought I had heard that somewhere too.

HugeFan
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 @Barnes  @SEAN SPOONTS Negative they also maintain a "forward-deployed" fleet in the Black Sea at a port in Sevastapol, Ukraine. There might still be an undisclosed location in Turkey but I have no idea really.

Riceball
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 @HugeFan  @SEAN SPOONTS  @Barnes That's the UN, not NATO.

HugeFan
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 @SEAN SPOONTS  @Barnes  @HugeFan As if NATO would be in any position to do anything to Russia or Turkey but issue a strongly worded statement. :-)

SEAN SPOONTS
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@Barnes @HugeFan The Black Fleet is based in Sevastapol but it must pass thru the narrow Istanbul Straight which Turkey(a Nato member) could close any time it wanted to, denying Russian ships access to the Med. A refueling port in Tartus would give the Russians the ability to station in the Med. without having to pass thru choke points like the Straights. I doubt there is any refueling point for Russian ships in Turkey. it wouldn't pass muster with Nato from a treaty standpoint.

Barnes
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 @HugeFan  @SEAN SPOONTS Thanks. I didn't know for sure can't remember where I heard that. Probably some crap media outlet but for some reason it stuck with me. Maybe it was the only one outside of the "satellite" states? Who knows. Either way thanks for clearing that up. They still have a big interest in Syria because of it.

McPosterdoor
McPosterdoor 5pts

Russia knows who it is backing Assad and his Bathists and tribe. Who exactly are we backing? Jihadis?

 

This sounds like a job for the Sauds.

wvbalrog
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The Russians, The Chinese and most of the world do not respect nor fear the Obama Administration. Besides continuing the drone attacks against al queda and the taliban, the current administration stands for nothing but acquiescence.

ColonelProp
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Good points all Brandon - though the communists are here in force branded now as progressives. Just as the communists successfully rebranded the nazi's as right wing (they are just as left wing as the marxists/communists) the communists/progressives have stolen the liberal tag, screwed it as well and now are continuing to bring down the US Constitutional Republic from within - very patient and we have been asleep. Now that we are perceived as very weak in foreign affairs - state to state - the communists are taking this opportunity to see if their fellow travellers in the progressives have weakend us enough to cause a fall. Couple that with sequestration and manpads loose with the terrorists and I see a very real risk of a repeat of the Rhodesiann Viscount disasters, and the fall of our Republic.

JRMayII
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 @ColonelProp McCarthy screamed of this long ago and no one listened. He was right all along. There are at least 70 communists in our congress now.

ajkmidget96
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 @ColonelProp really, Nazis aren't right wing? national socialism is right wing in all but name, because it is so heavily focused on anti-communism, nationalism, and racism.

And all socialism is always evil? Funny, our roads, schools, and, yup, armed forces are all socialist institutions. inf act, our nation is partly, though mildly, socialist itself. so stop throughing that word around as the root of all evil if you don't even know what it means.

SEAN SPOONTS
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@ajmidget94 @ColonelProp The Nationalist Socialist Workers Party(NAZI) was a Socialist movement. It was not opposed to communism, it was competing with it. Read the NAZI party platform. Adolph Hitler was a vegan, animal loving, non-smoking, back to nature Leftist who declared himself the enemy of capitalism and organized religion. If you're a Leftist, what's not to like?

wvbalrog
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@ajmidget94 @ColonelProp The Nazi's aren't right wing. They are actually very similar to the communists. They didn't like each other because each one was willing to do anything to get complete and total control/power. The biggest difference between the two is the Nazi's don't possess private industry though they have complete control of those industries while the commies take ownership and control of formerly private industry.

ColonelProp
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@wvbalrog Yes - and just like jilted lovers the hatred between them as they fought for the soul of the left was/is intense. Fascism is a touch away from nazism in that the innate anti-semitism is not really so blatantly visible. Love the handle by the way - I see a very large whip wielding beast on a bridge....

JRMayII
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 @ajmidget94  @ColonelProp As I posted elsewhere on this site:

 

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."              Adolph Hitler, Speech of May 1, 1927 

ColonelProp
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@JRMayII @ajmidget94 Yes - still digging through my sources, but one of hitler's early mentors was a screamngi socialist/anti-capitlaist.

Old PH2
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 @ajmidget94  @ColonelProp The Nazi's used Socialist policy to win over the populace, pensions, universal healthcare, jobs programs.  All these helped to win over the German people to National Socialism.  They were fervent anticommunists, so yes they qualified as being to the right politically. 

 

I think our armed forces could be best described as a meritocracy, but there is the Officer corps that has a few of the elite families represented.  We are a long way from communism, but we are beginning to take on a few socialist programs.  Since FDR actually.

Riceball
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 @ajkmidget96  @Old PH2  @ColonelProp The military may be government and funded by taxes but that's the way all militaries are run no matter their political system. It's been that way in our country for pretty much our entire history and in the rest of the world since the end of feudalism.

wvbalrog
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@HugeFan @Old PH2 @ajmidget94 @ColonelProp Nothing ever gets better when the government gets bigger, at least not for the citizens. It does get better for those in power.

JRMayII
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 @Old PH2  @ajmidget94  @ColonelProp Teddy Roosevelt was the first "progressive" President. Woodrow Wilson was the first to take major inroads into implementation of that policy, and FDR took even larger leaps. This has been at least one hundred years in the making.

majrod
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 @ajmidget94 so·cial·ism   /ˈsoʊʃəˌlɪzəm/ Show Spelled[soh-shuh-liz-uhm]  noun

1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.

3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

 

The means of production and distrobution are not controlled by the community as a whole in the military.  A week in the service and watching how equipment is issued and how it's decided would clarify this to the casual observer.  There is no equality of ownership.  As a company commander I signed for EVERYTHING my company was issued and I subhand reciepted it to the user, the Army didn't. 

 

The military is not socialist though many who don't know what socialism is (or actually do) try to create a link usually in an attempt to justify it's adoption in some other area hoping the good reputation the military has will obscure the evils of socialism.  If the military is socialist because it owns all the gar the US is socialist because the gov't owns all property because of eminent domain.

 

 

 

 @Old PH2  @ColonelProp

 

ColonelProp
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@HugeFan @Old PH2 @ajmidget94 Yes - the differences in the cultures underneath the American and French revolutions are the key. One has rights conferred by the state and the other was heading towards inalienable rights in 1789.

ColonelProp
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A bit, but I believe that had its roots in the mutiny of the High Seas Fleet, I can't put my finger on the exact items until I get back to my library... My brain bookshelf is full right now!

HugeFan
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 @Old PH2  @ColonelProp  @ajmidget94 Or France during the 1780's and especially in the spring of 1789...

HugeFan
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 @Old PH2  @ajmidget94  @ColonelProp 100% agreed...

HugeFan
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 @Old PH2  @ajmidget94  @ColonelProp I mostly agree with that PH, perception may give us different reads (two completely different backgrounds and all) on which programs, but I agree that the government has only ever gotten bigger and bigger ain't always better. That's fo sho!

Old PH2
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 @ColonelProp  @Old  @ajmidget94 Thinking of the twenties and the Beer hall scene?  There was a pretty lively debate among the working class during the Wiemar years, that's for sure.

ColonelProp
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@Old PH2 @ajmidget94 Good points but actually the hatred between communists and nazis stems from the fight to win the soul of the left in the early 30's. I need to go dig the references to that up when I get home though. Right wing is the old conservatism which really tended towards the monarchy. I am an old fashioned liberal in that I believe in individual rights ( that label has been perverted though) as set forth by our creator in the Constitution. The evil I see with mass socialism in whatever form it takes is that it discounts the good of the individual versus the forced good of the state as dictated by elites, which at its base is evil. It is a very fine line we walk when we speak of socialist programs in this country - the military is a volunteer force now so it is not forced service. Public/private projects are in the ranks of creeping fascism as well (I know, fascism is not nazism) in that the private sector snags the profits and the public absorbs the losses. Bit of a ramble I know...hard to get out on my iPhone.

Old PH2
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 @ajmidget94  @ColonelProp I personally feel deep down in my bones that our country needs to reexamine our healthcare system.  Hell in 1908 Teddy Roosevelt was calling for Universal healthcare, over a hundred years and we still can't get that one figured out.  I don't like the idea of being forced to buy anything, feel the insurance industry is a legalized form of extortion.  But I could go on for a while....

ajkmidget96
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 @Old PH2  @ColonelProp the army's internal system is a meritocracy (in theory at least), but the institution itself is a government run, non-privet industry, funded by taxes, so it is still socialism. I'm trying to say socialism can, in very small doses, be beneficial, and is not just a step away from a communist dictatorship.

 

i did not know that about the origins of Nazi support, that's actually very interesting. explains the name i guess.

Old PH2
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 @ColonelProp Just one question.  When was the last time any of us heard of a Communist running for a local office?  They have effectively disappeared from the US political scene.  Where did they go?  Those with far left inclinations are still among us, but who do they affiliate with now?

 

I won't point any fingers, but you may already know the answer.

JRMayII
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 @Old PH2  @ColonelProp Membership of the Democratic Socialists of America. This is supposedly taken from the DSA website.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/35733956/DSA-Members-American-Socialist-Voter-Democratic-Socialists-of-America-10-1-09

JRMayII
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 @HugeFan  @Old PH2  @ColonelProp I am wondering the same, but here is the "open mic" conversation that has all asking this question, including NATO allies.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNxEDomUlXw

HugeFan
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 @JRMayII  @Old PH2  @ColonelProp Okay failing to see why the Democrats would back an authoritarian regime and it's ringmaster (Putin). If they hated GW then they would absolutely lose their shit living under that roof. I think this is digressing a little bit and we need to trim back to port in order to maintain an even keel. Be advised.

shooten
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 @Old PH2  @ColonelProp I know many of them are high school teachers and college professors.  The far left is firmly entrenched in our educational system.  As far as politicians go, I always listen to their words before I look at their affiliation.  I'm not often surprised when I do look.

Barnes
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 @shooten  @Old PH2  @ColonelProp Being in College currently you don't even know how correct this statement is. Ironically enough the educational system is the biggest propaganda machine the government has, hence the teachers (for the most part) being sheep. Half the stuff they teach, especially when it comes down to history/poly sci/sociology/etc is extremely far left leaning. If it wasn't for the mere fact that they control my grades I would love to argue half their points and point out their unreasonable discrepancies. Hell half the stuff the Criminal Justice professors talk about is so off the wall its ridiculous! 

ColonelProp
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@Old PH2 Exactly - Progressives, whose ideology I find genocidal and evil beyond belief. Beware.....

Recon6
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 @Old PH2  @ColonelProp   Last I Openly recall was VJ.    But he just went deeper.    6

Old PH2
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 @ColonelProp  @Recon6  @Old The Story of Rick Rescorla is a poignant one.  What a magnificent man!  A true leader!  I remember him especially among the heroes of this day. 

Recon6
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 @ColonelProp  @Recon6  @Old   Prop, Thank You for the thoughtful words.  SOFREP has helped heal more than I thought anything could!  Just being able to talk with people that understand has done so much.  When a person leaves the Community they leave behind something they will never again experience, the camaraderie of a group and a shared experience.

Again, Thank You!    R6

ColonelProp
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@Recon6 @Old PH2 And an aside R6 - many thanks to you for what you have done for my freedoms. I hope we can help ease your soul in some manner. I thought of you when I posted the link to Rick Rescoria's story over in the team room.

blkreggren
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 @Old PH2  @ColonelProp There are several union leaders, as I recall, who recently came out as communists.  More clearly, the saying used to be, socialism is the halfway house to communism.  

ColonelProp
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@blkreggren @Old PH2 Riiiiightttt..... Used to be. Meh, evil never changes it's host, only the outward shape.

CJCJ
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 @Old PH2  @ColonelProp Wolves dressed like sheep or something to that effect?

CJCJ
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 @ColonelProp I spend a lot of time saying to myself "WTF?".

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