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Home » Special Operations » Why Panetta is Mad: SCI NONDISCLOSURE STATEMENT Explained

Why Panetta is Mad: SCI NONDISCLOSURE STATEMENT Explained

by Mark Miller · September 11, 2012 · Posted In: Special Operations
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Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI) Oxford  Dictionary of the US Military:

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Information and materials bearing special community controls indicating  restricted handling within present and future community intelligence collection  programs and their end products for which community systems of compartmentation  have been or will be formally established; in short, a designated category of  intelligence materials which by virtue of their means of collection or other  extraordinary aspect of their nature required special handling and more than  routine protection.

Ever wonder what kind of agreement you have to sign to gain access to America’s top secrets?  You can  read the full form you must sign before you are authorized access to Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI). Below is a snap shot of paragraphs 3 and 4 that makes it very clear why the Pentagon and Panetta are not happy.

Sensitive Compartmented Information SCI

SCI is also called codeword information.  Compartmentation adds a level of need to know in addition to clearance level.  Only those with a special designation, obtained via a single scope background investigation (SSBI), may have access SCI.

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shakeyerboobs
shakeyerboobs 5pts

"That contains or purports to contain..."

 

What if it doesn't purport, and in fact purports not to contain?  No need to submit for review, according to snippet in this article.

Coriolanus
Coriolanus 5pts

This article is correct. It's also part of the ACCM non-disclosure agreement (NDA)  (which actually stipulates you CANNOT write ANYTHING under the auspices of that ACCM without prior approval) he signed. He signed much more than just the SCI. Every SAP or STO he was in has to be evaluated. I refuse to read the book. INFOSEC is also preventing "the enemy"'s ability to discern through context. When something happened...where it happened...under what conditions..foreign countries involved..use of specific software...all can be used for CI purposes. The question is: How can the author make a personal judgement on what he has or has not revealed? He cannot. So it must be scrutinized. The reason I'm very careful about what I write is that in my head the information is under "classified" and "unclassified"...but we ALL make mistakes. One mistake can be a life sentence...so charged or not...How and why did the author believe he had a right to disclose anything in writing that was inherently covered by his SCI and ACCM NDA? My two cents.

TEHelms
TEHelms 5pts

Let's keep in mind that Owen has not yet and may never be charged with anything.  We all have to admit that he might have been better served by submitting the manuscript for vetting but he chose not to.  And while I'm tired of reading uselessly redacted pages I have to admit that there are areas I would have never suspected to be linked in the material I was privy to.  i signed the same pledges many of you here did and while time has made most of what I knew irrelevant, I certainly didn't know what or who I might have revealed then. 

Nivens McTwisp
Nivens McTwisp 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

When a President or Chief of Staff release classified information to the public that information is by default now declassified, regardless if that info went through the "proper" process.  Everyone agrees that those leaders can disclose whatever they want since they are the de/classifying authority.  If such authorities as those release it to the public in one way or another, to argue that anyone else within the military who releases it violated the NDA because they confirm it, is looking at it from a clouded lens.  If the President or an active General/Admiral releases classified info, that info can be taken to the bank.  

 

I happen to agree with Matt, that if his most senior leaders have talked about the mission, and released various info, all of which have been replicated throughout the media countless times, then it can, by default, no longer be classified information.  

 

I recall reading a story about Tom Clancy being interrogated by the FBI about who his "source" was that was releasing classified information about submarines.  He pointed to the 3 books on his shelf that were all printed by the U.S. Navy Press.  His source was the publicly released information by the U.S. Navy.  

 

If the powers that be release it to the public it can no longer be classified information.  When something is classified it means it is not open to the public.  Unclassified is released to the public.  So if the POTUS or the JCoS, etc release to the public through a press release or verbal interview, then that information can no longer be kept classified, regardless of the red rubber stamp.  

 

 

IS1FiveO
IS1FiveO 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Good article by Mark Miller.  This gets down to the brass tacks of classifed information and NDAs.  I read No Easy Day and it appears as though the author violated the NDA.  His justification in the book is basically that the information is already out there and others have disclosed it.  My argument against that is as follows: if you are read on to such material and you disclose something that is already out there, you just confirmed that information.  The old saying "two wrongs don't make a right" holds true here.  As far as the leaks regarding the Abbotobad mission go, POTUS or SECDEF can release any information they wish as they are the authority under which the information is classified.  However, even they must go through the declassification process or they are in violation of federal law.  Specifically

32 CFR Part 2001.  The problem here is that POTUS wants the information out there for political points but does not want to be know as the guy who declassifys things concerning SOFcentric issues.  This entire environment concerning OPSEC violations, violations of NDAs, and everyone from enlisted operators to POTUS betraying the public trust is a national disgrace.  By the way, the whole world is watching and listening.  read that to mean Russia, China, Al Qaeda, etc. 

WMiller
WMiller 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

If Mark Owen is subjected to legal action, that should be grounds to do the same to the current administration for releasing details on Operation Neptune Spear, true or not it should be based on intent. Of course that will never happen.

iceviking
iceviking 5pts

 @WMiller And by the same token the release of Valerie Palmer´s identity should be prosecuted. Technically it was and the fall guy got pardoned.  

Marine_Sailor
Marine_Sailor 5pts

The DOD/Administration opened the door by going public with the UBL raid.  In effect they broke the NDA.  MB just walked through it.  Should the guys from ST6/DevGru/whatever it is now be pissed off that he broke a code of silence?  I think they have that right.  But legally it can be proven that he only followed up to what was already put out by those much higher up the chain.  He did not follow the procedure, regardless of how insanely long it might take, and can be penalized for that.  But that should only be a minor punishment.  The real punishment (if deserved at all) should be the groups policing there own.  IMHO.

ChloeSmith1
ChloeSmith1 5pts

I'm curious where censorship comes into all of this.   Mark Owen retold a story that has already been made public. He knew there was no classified/sensitive information - he was simply RETELLING a story from a first-person narrative.  Could the military be accused of censorship?

Srmanuel
Srmanuel 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Like I said below, I'm a civilian, I've never been in the military and at age 52 I never will be, so take my opinion with that in mind....I will agree that it would have been better to never have had any of the Bin Laden raid details made public, but once they were, I think the American Public deserves the truth. Let's also remember that this particular raid is historic, what is there to compare it to in US Military History....The Jimmy Doolittle raid over Japan in 1942  ?? the shooting down of Admiral Yamamoto in WW II, the Enola Gay dropping the atomic bomb, what I'm getting at is this raid is so unique that perhaps the public is best served to have the truth so they can be assured that Bin Laden is dead and to honor the heroes that carried out the raid........

SEAN SPOONTS
SEAN SPOONTS 5pts

The charges will hinge on whether his book actually reveals SCI in violation of that agreement. If it's available thru open sources there is no crime. Honestly, I thought the book was pretty thin stuff in terms of details.

KineticFury
KineticFury 5pts

The civilian world is really siding with the author on this one - a lot of people are saying they're buying it because quote, "Obama lied." So I think we can all agree on the bad PR of this, the thing is PR isn't the most important thing out there. But who knows in this escially political season and year what will happen. There is a possiblity that the negative PR can be considered dangerous to certain elected officials, so No Easy Day (NED) author could get off easier, at least for now.

 

Even if POTUS is not directly responsible for punishing the NED author, it will be attributed to him. Welcome to election year.

A relative just suprise-gifted NED to me via Kindle, which is nice because at first I wasn't sure if I really wanted to buy it yet.

KineticFury
KineticFury 5pts

meant to reply to @Srmanuel 

CrossFitofAces
CrossFitofAces 5pts

@BrandonTWebb doesn't this apply to admin officials and pentagon officials when they leak classified info?? Where is the uproar about that?

Srmanuel
Srmanuel 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BIN_LADEN_BOOK?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-09-11-08-05-03

 

Here' s a link to an article about Panetta saying MB deserves to be punished.....I'm a civilian and don't understand the culture of the military especially at the Seal level, but this will be horrible PR, prosecuting a man who many consider a hero for doing what all the Suits do with no regard is shameful, IMO......

Riceball
Riceball 5pts

 @Srmanuel FYI, it's SEAL for Sea Air & Land. A seal is a marine pineped and I don't what a Seal is unless it's someone's name.

Old PH2
Old PH2 moderator 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

There are many secrets held by our servicemen and folks from the State Dept. many for good reasons.  Others due to political expediency:

http://www.stripes.com/news/newly-declassified-memos-show-us-hushed-up-soviet-massacre-1.188765

N3V3R_SRRNDR
N3V3R_SRRNDR 5pts

 @Old PH2 I'm curious if Truman would have let that slide. He was a very strong opponent of Stalin, if my memory serves me correctly.

Old PH2
Old PH2 moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @N3V3R_SRRNDR  @Old PH2 Yeah I wonder too.  Truman was much more cynical, having served in WW1.  FDR had the luxury of being of the Idle class, never served and really didn't know about the nasty shit that happens when you make a deal with bastards.  Remember the Chauchat?  A Frenchman's idea of an automatic rifle, killed a lot of good allied troops due to jamming at inopportune moments, but the French were our allies....

Old PH2
Old PH2 moderator 5pts

 @N3V3R_SRRNDR  @Riceball Dude, I make my own Cheese, long story, but I'm still trying to get my Brie recipe consistent.  I must say I have a real weakness for wines from the Rhone valley terrior.

N3V3R_SRRNDR
N3V3R_SRRNDR 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Riceball  @Old PH2 I'm not a fan of cheese, and for me wine comes from California mostly. I will agree though, most in-the-know will as France does good (great even?) in those markets.

Riceball
Riceball 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @N3V3R_SRRNDR  @Old PH2 Wine & cheese? Oh, the French Foreign Legion and the Zouave uniform was pretty snazzy for its time too.

N3V3R_SRRNDR
N3V3R_SRRNDR 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Old PH2 Oh the French...the best thing to come from France was the Suez Canal, they failed at the Panama Canal though...can't think of much else they do right. Haha.

 

And I totally agree with you about FDR.

engelbrad
engelbrad 5pts

 @Old PH2

 Thanks for sharing Old PH2!

Treadstone71 (banned)
Treadstone71 (banned) 5pts

Look at the Carlyle Group, they have all sort of ex-Cabinet folks, Senators, ex-Presidents, violating their NDA everytime they share their expertise, only difference is they keeps it private, so only a select few benefit. 

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

Civilians have to sign these and have ignore the document for oh... about 60 years running.  Don't get me started on the State Dept.

majrod
majrod 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

McRaven signed one of these also as well as droves of folks in the White House.

 

I know it's tiring to hear but keep in mind why there's such a sustained and loud drum roll when it comes to MB.  There have been MANY leaks. 

The Midnight Philosopher
The Midnight Philosopher 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @majrod You know the drill brother, the lower you are on the totem pole the less lifelines you have. In short if you are an E anything and do some stuff that suits and high level O's get away with that would normally land them in jail, you best believe if you do it they will make an example out of you.

 

However MB knew the stakes were high just by the importance of his former unit, so while I hold no animosity for the brother he knows how the NCA would react to his story. Fine the brother, make him do some community service, even put him in the brig for a year. But don't seize all of his funds, don't send him to Leavenworth, and don't keep it on his permanent record. 

majrod
majrod 5pts

 @The Midnight Philosopher  Just an aside for sec, you have a point and on the other hand I've seen officers take the hit when they had actually nothing to do with an incident.  It's not all peaches and cream.  I had a friend who was relieved (career over) because a guard (SGT) at an ammo dump stole a hand grenade.  I had a classmate who was a BN CDR relieved because a SFC threw Iraqi's who couldn't swim in a river (they drowned).  It was reported that a BN CDR in Afghanistan was relieved after his NCO's incorporated some racist cartoons in a weekly briefing that was transmitted to subordinates.  The CDR was not present, nor did he authorize the brief and when he found out he immediately apologized to his unit.  All these outstanding leaders trusted their NCO's and got screwed.  It's not helpful nor fair to focus on one injustice and ignore others.  I don't deny their is injustice in the system.  I also know there is a deep insidious glee in some in promulgating it and celebrating when leadeers do fall.

 

Now back on subject.  Maybe I'm strange.  I believed that "one standard" shtick.  Have no problem enforcing the standard even when I personally like/respect the individual.  I can compartmentalize.  What I don't accept is double standards or politics and MB persecution is both of these.  You may bring up the point that the guy on the lowest rung is likely to get the shaft.  That's not wrong.  What's wrong is when he's the ONLY one.  There's a very important nuance there.  One keeps faith with each other the other breeds contempt.

 

As for me I keep beating my tin cup against the bars because when good men are silent bad men thrive.   

 

The Midnight Philosopher
The Midnight Philosopher 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @majrod It all good brother, you make valid points but i'm more focusing on general level officers, elected officials, and cabinet appointees and above, having a secret handshake legal hookup. While the lower brothers and sisters best standby for similar transgressions. 

 

As fo MB time will tell.

majrod
majrod 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @The Midnight Philosopher  BTW, not dinging you as I'm sure your heart is in the right place.  It just seems that the thought you mentioned often gets taken to an extreme and i wanted to nip it in the bud.

 

An interestingly similar example of the same phenomena ("low man gets it") happened to the officers that screwed up the request for fire support at Ganjgal that eventually resulted in the deaths of marines/soldier and the MOH for CPL Dakota Meyer (and the "lost" recomendation for CPTSswenson).  Those BN TOC officers deserved all they got and more but so did BDE that denied aircraft because they were being used elsewhere and it should have gone higher because McCrystal's ROE definitively caused that tragedy.  There should have been a far ranging investigation asking each level what they thought the ROE meant and how it was transmitted to the next level all the way to the General himself.

 

So in the end, yep the low man on the totem pole gets nailed.  A reason I ALWAYS made sure my boss was aware of what I was doing and if he asked me to do something questionable I made doubly sure so I could ask the embarrassing question if things went south.  The sad truth is that this type of behavior isn't limited to officers though it's much more noticeable because these shenanigans become more prevalent when the organization is greater than a couple of dozen.  

 

jl2l
jl2l 5pts

 @The Midnight Philosopher  @majrod You think killing Bin Laden would have earned him a notch up.

 

Someone got a star over it i'm sure and MacRaven going to be the next Sec-Def.

 

After reading the book, i can't see any angle beyond the sheer fact that he didn't submit it for review, that being said, i would blame Penguin for all of these they are a giant corporation who is making more money the MB will every take in. The DOJ should be looking at them not a hero.And i don't just throw that word "hero" around, he earned it.

 

 

 

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