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Home » Op-Ed » How to Boil the Blood of Sheepdogs

How to Boil the Blood of Sheepdogs

by Blake Miles · October 12, 2012 · Posted In: Op-Ed
Miss Charlene Lamb Benghazi
When apparent sheep (regardless of what background this woman may have) say things like, “We had the correct number of assets in Benghazi on the night of 9/11,”, I can literally feel my ‘switch’ begin to move. This is the same ‘switch’ that makes Bruce Banner turn green and smash things into bits while wearing purple pants.

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In direct response to Miss Lamb: Unless you are referring to the assaulting element, the support by fire element, and the intelligence node that you likely recruited into your force structure, you did NOT have the “correct number of assets in Benghazi” that night. The Benghazi raiders most certainly had the correct number of assets on the ground. Those assets were extremely successful in their operation of murdering an American Ambassador, two Navy SEALs, and a Foreign Service Officer.

In addition, it was explained today that the State Department hired, trained, and armed Libyan security to replace any American security forces. “We had been training local Libyans and arming them for almost a year,” and any American security forces “would not have made any difference in Benghazi.”

There is a term known as ‘Access and Placement’ which describes targeting and influencing specific individuals for the purpose of covertly gathering intelligence on potential targets. If I were planning attacks on foreign embassies, what a blessing it would be if those foreign governments hired locals to perform the HYPER CRITICAL JOB OF PHYSICAL SECURITY ON A FIXED STRUCTURE!

Local individuals are far easier to bribe, leverage, or threaten into communicating all sorts of vital information, like escape and evasion routes, safe houses, or number of personnel in a structure. You would be surprised what a man will do if his wife and children are kidnapped and held ransom. Was this the case? I doubt we will receive any direct answers to that other than the sound of a sheep bleating.

This sort of micromanagement, risk-averse, political correctness is the atmosphere that leads to astronomical numbers of PTSD and suicides for members of the military coming back home. After willingly laying their lives on the board of chance, sheepdogs return home to the sneering of sheep while they attempt in vain to appease the wolves they have surrounded themselves with.

Consider my blood boiling, Miss Lamb.

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SEAN SPOONTS
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Within a month of the 911 attacks in 2001 we had identify to terrorists, put together a coalition, positioned ships, troops and planes and were dropping bombs on the taliban in Afghanistan. Here we are SIX WEEKS after the attacks on Bengazi and we are still fucking around trying to get the Obama administration to just tell us the truth about what happened. WTF OVER?

SEAN SPOONTS
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inconvenient wrinkles that screwed up their borrowing the car and going to the mall.

hjw1dr
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Just wanted to write a brief note of admiration.

Wow!  I'm so impressed with the people who post here. For example, this article has sparked such great discussion on various threads. Every time I read the updates, I see people who are truly involved and considerate. I've enjoyed reading everyone's thoughtful comments. Such depth and research. It's rare. Very rare. That quality needs to be appreciated.  

SO I'll say it:

What an amazing set of people you are. Everyone who posts on SOFREP takes the time to reflect carefully, and thoughtfully. And incredibly funny too! And if you make a mistake, you're quick to cop to it. So different than other communities on the net.

I'm looking forward to reading more, learning more, and contributing when I can. 

~holly

LauraKinCA
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 @hjw1dr

 +1000!

majrod
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This might be a nugget that doesn’t get too much visibility as some try to portray Benghazi as an intelligence failure.

 

From Reuters… 

“WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In the months before the deadly attack in Benghazi, Libya, U.S. and allied intelligence agencies warned the White House and State Department repeatedly that the region was becoming an increasingly dangerous vortex for jihadist groups loosely linked or sympathetic to al Qaeda, according to U.S. officials.

 

Despite those warnings, and bold public displays by Islamist militants around Benghazi, embassies in the region were advised to project a sense of calm and normalcy in the run-up to the anniversary of the September 11 attacks in the United States.

 

A research report prepared for a Pentagon counter-terrorism unit in August said the Benghazi conference brought together representatives of at least 15 Islamist militias. Among the paper's conclusions: these groups "probably make up the bulk of al Qaeda's network in Libya."

 

Drawing on multiple public sources, the Library of Congress researchers who drafted the paper also concluded that al Qaeda had used the "lack of security" in Libya to establish training camps there. It also reported that "hundreds of Islamic militants are in and around Derna," where special camps provided recruits with "weapons and physical training."

 

President Barack Obama's administration has repeatedly said it had no specific advance warning of an attack like the one that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans in Benghazi on the night of September 11.”

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-libya-alqaedabre89f1sl-20121016,0,4604770.story

 

I’m getting the feeling the intel folks and the folks on the ground (asking for security) were giving DC valid info and the truth on the ground.  DC for their reasons was disregarding.  If so we’ll see more intel folks saying, ”Nope, not us!”

majrod
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I was watching COL (Ret) Hunt comment tonight and I had an epiphany.  Like him, I realized why I’m so freaking pissed.  I was taught from when I was a platoon leader and throughout my career there were two things you always did in crisis situations. 

 

First the guy in charge left a list of things that he demanded subordinates bring to his attention immediately.  E.G. enemy contact, a fatality, higher commander in the area etc.  Bosses saying “they didn’t know” because they weren't told is just not satisfactory.  Did they not establish standards?  Are they not enforcing them?  If not, they aren't leading.

 

Next, after any significant event, the boss is going to ask you who, what, where, when, how and why.  The bigger the issue the more in depth the answers have to be and if you didn’t know the answers you paid out the butt or could even be relieved.  Again, the way it was handled just doesn’t seem competent.  Decision makers should be much better informed.

 

Taken together you can see why the Benghazi abortion generates so much anger among some with a similar background/experience.  Not providing security when the guy on the ground is asking (and justifying it) is a bet your bars decision.  Portraying the cause of the event as something other than what it was and sticking with that false narrative would cause a military professional to blanch.

 

You can’t make these many mistakes and be honest and competent.  

IS1FiveO
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 @majrod

 I agree.  Saying you did not know is unacceptable.  You either knew or should have known is the only acceptable narrative.  And if you accept that, then what is the consequence for knowing or failing to know?

majrod
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 @IS1FiveO  I never expected perfection from folks.  One can accept "some" mistakes, even most first time ones.  That's why you talk to your people after.  Even then there are some mistakes that seasoned professionals should never make.  If I were in a position to fire Ms. Lamb I'd want to know hoe she made the determination that security was adequate despite the requests and the previous incidents.  Unless she has a previous example where her approach worked I'd likely fire her.

 

Integrity though is non-negotiable... 

 

hjw1dr
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 @majrod Yes.  And isn't it amazing how immature leaders who've been caught "with their pants down" -- not carrying out responsibilities -- have a tendency to remember events (or words) differently when caught or confronted? 

 

IMHO: Never underestimate the ability of immature individuals to rationalize events. 

 

But stepping up is a sign of maturity. I think that's why most Americans are forgiving when leaders take responsibility and say they've learned from the mistake and will fix it.  (And then do fix it!)

 

But it's been a while since we've seen that kind of leader in politics. They are a pretty craven bunch today.

 

 

CJCJ
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 @majrod 

"You can’t make these many mistakes and be honest and competent."

 

Nice summation. 

JHR
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 @CJCJ  Beaucoup ont entendu parler de ce mystère Gal illusoire. Peut-être que la fille dont tu parles est une sirène.

 

 Our French discussions are coming to a  end as I am unable to access them that far down on the page. Arvoir my friend.

 

Vous avez été un ami agréable. Merci. J'espère que vous avez bien guérir. Je vous souhaite le meilleur pour vos projets de voyage :-). Vous savez comment me joindre. JuliaHugoRachel

 

JHR
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 @CJCJ Théo était l'un des rares militaires  Spaniels. Les Marines en avoir un aussi. Vous Impress Me.

 

CJCJ
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 @JHR 

Mes condoléances pour votre perte Theo & Handler.

JHR
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 @CJCJ J'aime des pigeons. Ils sont des pilotes comme vous, non? Si vous n'êtes pas partielle de pigeons, je suis sûr que vous trouverez d'autres moyens de communication.

 

LauraKinCA
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 @majrod

 But we aren't talking about military professionals, are we?

majrod
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 @LauraKinCA  True, I'm explaining why military professionals might be more upset than the average Joe.  Crisis situations are dealt with the same (or should be).  Injecting politics or CYA into these kind of issues isn't a positive.

 

Unlike many I don't accept lower standards from politicians because they are politicians.  Accepting lower standards just means you accept substandard performance.  One deserves to be miserable if one accept low standards.

 

I'm attracted to leaders that rise above the BS, address the problem and fix it.  I can even accept mistakes from leaders like that as long as they quickly admit them and move to fix the problem.

 

Could you imagine if the gov't waited five days to call 911 terrorism? 

 

Those without the experiences that I and others have might not realize how out of the norm this story is.  They might be accepting less as acceptable.  I'm sharing in an effort to help folks understand nuances they might not be aware of.  That's why many come to SOFREP.

 

Just a simple comparison.  I have run into policemen that did not know the law (e.g. concealed carry reciprocity laws).  I was shocked.  I wouldn't have been if I didn't know the law.  Many Americans aren't shocked right now because they don't know how these things are supposed to be handled.  Usually the press educates us.  They aren't present.

Recon6
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Major, your comments absolutely Nailed the problems with the current administration!!  I Salute You, Sir.....6

Tango9
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 @majrod  @LauraKinCA The hardest part about being a leader isn't establishing standards for the troops, it's keeping your personal standards 25% higher than what you expect and then never slipping. 

majrod
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 @LauraKinCA  True, especially very prevalent at the four star grade where they get some visibility.  Not as bad in the action officer level where you live or die on performance.  Give bad advice once and you're pretty much done.

 

LauraKinCA
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 @majrod

 Agreed and very good points. One of the things you said... "The politicians have very capable life long civili servants and military  professionals that advise them"... brings to mind something though. The closer these professionals get to the upper eschelon I think there can be a tendency to enjoy that power and to curry favor with yes answers. It takes a strong person to resist all those stress points and do right by the job. The longer they are exposed to it I think the harder it is to resist.

engelbrad
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 @majrod  @LauraKinCA

 Very well said majrod!

majrod
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 @LauraKinCA  You may have been meaning to pull my chain a bit but I think you illuminated an important point.  There ARE people that accept this BS because its politicians (they expect it).  Some Americans have been more susceptible to the pummeling and visible decay of our political system and leader quality.  They're tired. 

 

My efforts are meant to inspire in others that things don't have to be this way.  We should expect and demand better.  The politicians have very capable life long civili servants and military professionals that advise them.  When politicains ignore good advice and sound practices we should take scalps with rusty spoons.  They work for us and when they screw up they should have the fear of God in them.  Otherwise they'll treat us as the stupid sheep they think we are. 

 

I never liked to use fear as a leadership tool but I am a realist enough to know that the most base self serving individuals (like politicians) respond to it while they are blowing smoke up your butt.  One of the big reasons we have so much corruption in Congress is they enforce the standards o themselves and they aren't afraid about being called out.

 

LauraKinCA
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 @majrod

 While my response was glib, I wholeheartedly agree with you and wishing that our top leaders would react with the type of leadership you describe. Many of our leaders have under their times of crisis. The ones that don't are even more glaring to those of us who hold them to higher standards. There are a lot of examples in the civilian world these days of taking the easy road and not accepting responsibility for your own actions or those under your supervision. Disheartening.

Rogue1
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@majrod @LauraKinCA Great points!

Tango9
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<self edited by T9>

LauraKinCA
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 @Tango9

 T9 - splashes himself :) Colonel Prop & have been heating up the twitter waves about it too.

Tango9
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 @LauraKinCA Once the pin is pulled, Mr. Grenade is Not Your Friend.

Tango9
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 @Recon6 Yargh... so he was adopted? ;)

Recon6
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9, there is no doubt in my mind I wish my Liberal, educated son had been in your class!  I am quite sure You would have made a difference in his view of the military, something I could never accomplish, sadly.  I am proud he became an attorney, desolate because he also became a Progressive in the process and refuses to look deeper......R6

Tango9
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 @Recon6 LMAO

 

Recon6
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Sure it is Tango, just put the pin back in!  Therefore, do Not 'delete' relative comments as they contain pertinent data!  A few expletives never diminish the content of the message......6

LauraKinCA
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 @Tango9

 Again, I will make my biased and sweeping generalization - you teach science and in my experience math, science and engineering attract the more practical minded (though some math and science geeks I knew at school who were brilliant couldn't navigate their way out of a paper bag) and are pre-disposed to listen to you. LSA tends to attract the dreamers and those who don't understand the benefits of the military. 

 

Keep up the good and hard work of counterbalancing. We are relying on you!

StormR
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 @Tango9  @LauraKinCA

IMO, you made a good decision to advise him to drop the class.  You would be doing him more harm by just passing him through - this allows him a bit of control over one aspect of his life, and a later opportunity to really gain what he needs. 

Tango9
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 @LauraKinCA I harbor a severe, special hatred for people who view me and my brothers/sisters (military) as they do. 

 

I look at it this way:  I'm in the university system.  I can counterbalance the vile garbage pumped into the heads of my students.  And the good news is we give the students too little credit.  Of course there's the morons who stare glassy-eyed at their professors and become drones.  However, the ones I get? They call me on my BS if I don't prepare for class and they have no fear of saying "Hey!  That doesn't make sense!"  I encourage it. 

 

My kids are on it.  They aren't drones.  I have a SSgt (AF, active duty) in my class and know what?  the rest of the students follow him.  He leads them into walls occasionally, but the respect they give him is quite evident.  That particular section has 83 students. He's a good NCO.

LauraKinCA
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 @Tango9

 There is a big difference in upholding academic standards (which we need to do) and some kids attitudes that automatically says because you were in the military that you couldn't get through college. I don't think that the comment even considers challenges our vets face from PTSD and the like. It was a sweeping generalization and I am still hot about it.

Tango9
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 @LauraKinCA Oh, and my kids have a deep-seeded dislike for the "hippies" on campus.  I'm not going to insult anyone's major, but suffice it to say the engineers/physicists/comp-sci/biologists/chemists have a severe dislike for the hippie side of the school.

 

I reinforce it subtly :)

Tango9
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 @LauraKinCA It's muddy waters.  I have a lot of active duty and veterans in my classes.  I have to apply one standard to all students, and I have seen a surge in kids with PTSD and serious issues over the last two years.

 

I do go out of my way for them and at the Univ of Co @ Co spgs, our disability services folks are top notch and really care.  I work with them constantly for these guys. 

 

Having said that, just in the last 2 days I had to recommend one of these guys drop my class.  He survived an IED in Iraq, has ongoing medical stuff and coupled with some serious stress issues.  At the end of the day, there's only so much I can do.  I have to uphold the academic standards, regardless.

LauraKinCA
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 @Tango9

 Hey professor I know this is off topic, but you will probably be as pissed off about this one as I was just now... http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=32446 ... I know it is just one voice but it is depressing to think that our vets are facing this attitude when they come back and want to go to college to continue on with their lives.

Tango9
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 @LauraKinCA LOL.... reminds me of the scene from Band of Brothers on the assault on the German artillery when Lt drops the grenade in the trench.

 

I'm so that guy.

LauraKinCA
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 @Tango9

 Steady grip on the release until your exit plan is ready!

Tango9
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 @LauraKinCA I happens! previous point was filled with lots of profanity, references to nether regions and some stuff about pandas and elk.   Best deleted.

Recon6
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Brad, totally Rec'd, lol.  Team Room members should be privy to All SofRep content, especially the deleted comments as a 'Perk"......6

LauraKinCA
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 @engelbrad  @Tango9

 All about timing :) The TR is definitely a good place to let loose.

engelbrad
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 @LauraKinCA  @Tango9

 I missed the whole thing but it sounded good!... I think all deleted thoughts should be posted in the team room! ...lol

LauraKinCA
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 @Tango9

 Wait!! I read it before you deleted it and somehow I missed the panda references. Crap. I will have to pay even closer attention to you professor :)

Rogue1
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Great article in yahoo still asking the questions and holding the administration accountable... http://news.yahoo.com/behind-benghazi-cover-070000232.html

majrod
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I predict a BIG breaking story.

 

We're negotiating for a post 2014 stay in Afghanistan of up to 25k troops.

 

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/10/16/state_department_official_negotiations_to_extend_us_troop_presence_in_afghanistan_s

 

Didn't Biden say something about, "we're out out out in 2014?"

Tango9
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 @majrod This is not good.

majrod
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 @Tango9   I'm sure the Taliban aren't happy. 

 

We can get into a debate about Afghanistan but a sure way to lose a war is to tell the enemy when you're going to quit.

 

JHR
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 @CJCJ There a few things "elese" that matters. Aside from packing gear. One must have the fun factor:-)

 

CJCJ
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 @JHR All the best wishes for success on your trip and the training ahead. 

 

"What else matters?"

 

Keep your shiny side up.

 

Stay Safe and Rock On!

JHR
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 @CJCJ Heading over to the Coast to train & prepare. There is no reception there, it will help me acclimate. Like AK, I might be able to do burst transmissions/upload and download 1x every other day. There might be a SAT phone on the property. Its easier to fly into the sand strip 16 miles south or drop into the Helo spot onsite; both are easier than getting comms at this location. There might be an old lanline I can fool with. Its been a while since I was there. Good swimming and ocean swimming tho. What else matters?

 

CJCJ
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 @JHR LOL, I missed all of that on AK. Glad to hear you're staying in the light for a while. Don't worry about your son, we'll have that nice diplomatic thing taken care of rikky-tik.

JHR
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 @CJCJ  Did you miss the whole Alaska Thread? Aw helped me with gear, Flying and to getting over my fear of Bears. Yeah, all the guys pretty much made my bear fear WORSE. "Roll in Berries" was one comment, I think OldPh or 6 said, Just shoot the guy next to you, leave him for bait and RUN. I am so excited

now- :-( I got the contract extended, so I won't be going in the dark. I'll go in spring after I strngthen at coast training.

 

Believe me, my son is WAY more diplomatic tham me. You guys will dig him. Hes' a nice young man.

 

CJCJ
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 @JHR  @ColonelProp  @Tango9  @majrod 

"I am going dark for a while..."

 

Say it ain't so.

JHR
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 @ColonelProp  @Tango9  @majrod  My son said the SAME thing Colonel. He wishes he could have 9 as a Prof. I am going dark for a while, I was hoping my son would take my place and hit the team room. I signed him up as a gift. He could use to be on here, he hits Army in January 2014. If his body holds, they want him. He is going 18, like Dale Comstocks son. My son is about 1.5 years younger than Dales son. I am wondering if they will see each other "around"...

 

majrod
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 @ColonelProp  Nah, my "P" was.  I just enjoyed the class but thanks.

 

 

@majrod  @Tango9  @JHR

 

ColonelProp
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@majrod @Tango9 @JHR I stand in awe...no way to compare to that one. But I do get weird comments when I trot out my handy Statistics manual!! http://www.amazon.com/Statistics-Manual-Dover-Books-Mathematics/dp/048660599X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1350690438&sr=8-1&keywords=statistics+manual You are all impressive folks.

majrod
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 @ColonelProp  Nothing against Tango but I had the "coolest" Physics "P". 

 

Airborne Ranger Arty officer so our physics problems would start with stuff like...

 

Mission: Provide artillery support to a unit behind a ridge.  How much force must be applied to your 98lb HE projectile to... 

 

:)

 

 @Tango9  @majrod  @JHR

 

ColonelProp
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@Tango9 @majrod @JHR Tango9 - I would have loved to have had you for my physics professor. I had Albert Bartlett, talk about a left wing ideologue.... There will come a day when I can confront him publicly about his genocidal theories on finite oil and rationing. The videos will be entertaining. Off my soapbox.

JHR
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 @majrod You are right. Nothing substantial was aid last night. I liked his ending though- Talk about a Class Act. I have not seen that since President Reagan.

 

Tango9
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 @majrod it sounds a lot easier than it is, right?

majrod
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 @Tango9  LOL, I try in my own feeble way.

 

Tango9
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 @majrod  @JHR It's tough.  It really is.  I think everyone here keeps it pretty wired tight and I often find myself about to cross the line. 

 

I told my students a couple weeks ago that any instructor (we're state employees, CU... state school) who tries to influence their vote is in violation of Title 9 USC and can be disciplined or fired.  The students went wide-eyed and I got 3000 stories of exactly what's not supposed to be happening. 

 

It's tough sometimes as a professor when they bring up stuff like global warming, green cars on and on, but I do my best.  I actually asked them this morning:  "You've known me 2 months.  I've never said anything political to you.  Is there any doubt in your mind where I fall in the political spectrum?" 

 

They laughed.  You don't actually have to say it, you just lead by example (easier said than done, but we do our best).

majrod
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 @JHR  I'm going to bow out of this one.  I would try to not comment if you asked me what Obama reminded me of last night (but I'd be tempted). 

 

I try (and fail sometimes) to not bring politics into SOFREP.  I will passionately discuss politics/ideology when IMO they impact national security issues. 

 

No one said anything substantial last night at the dinner.

 

 

 

 

JHR
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 @majrod  @Tango9 Stating when we were leaving was the biggest blunder for the safety of our troops. The Taliban upped their attacks and methods.

 

Different Note, I noticed someone was talking about Reagan. I can't remember where-who. I think you were in on it Major. Here is last nights speech. Who does Mitt Remind you of?

http://washingtonexaminer.com/video-mitt-romneys-surprisingly-hilarious-speech-at-the-al-smith-dinner/article/2511195#.UIGFiMXA8Ta

 

 

majrod
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 @Tango9  Agree.  I lived through both periods also.

 

Tango9
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 @SEAN SPOONTS  @majrod I did as well.  It would take me a book to explain the culture change after Clinton took office.  The Reagan military was... what being a warrior should be.  He was the last CINC I would have followed blindly.  The naysayers can offer what they will, but as you said:  If he had said "Attack!"  it would never have been questioned and we all would have done our level best for him.  Great man, that one.

SEAN SPOONTS
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 @majrod  Or when you are going to attack.

SEAN SPOONTS
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 @Tango9  @majrod He is the reason I joined the military.  I served under Reagan's Presidency.  People who weren't there have no idea what that time was like, what it was like to have him as a President.  A man not perfect, not without faults or missteps, but a good man, honest and decent minded.  Here is why the Soviets really should have feared Reagan.  If he had wanted to go to war with the Soviets, the military would have given a roar and marched off with smiles on their faces.

StormR
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 @Tango9  @majrod Amazing and powerful video.  Thank you for sharing it.  It made me sit up taller.

CJCJ
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 @majrod  @Tango9 

 

"...Inspiring, moving, emotional..."

 

+1

Tango9
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 @majrod It is what it is.  This vid keeps me on target.

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 @Tango9  First time I saw it.  Inspiring, moving, emotional...

 

Thanks!

engelbrad
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 @Tango9  @majrod

 Wish I could give you a +10 for that T9. I so miss that man!

Rogue1
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@Tango9 @majrod Great stuff.

Tango9
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 @majrod We Fight.

Tango9
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 @majrod I've triple posted this.  SOFREP ninja's hat when I do it but:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpH5L8zCtSk

Tango9
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 @majrod I agree.   Hell I've been agreeing for 4 years solid. 

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