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Home » Special Operations » Congratulations, Austria: You slightly improved on what the U.S. Air Force did a half-century ago

Congratulations, Austria: You slightly improved on what the U.S. Air Force did a half-century ago

by BK · October 19, 2012 · Posted In: Special Operations
Air Force Colonel Joe Kittinger
Oh,calm the hell down. I’ll admit it, I’m trolling a little bit here. Obviously, what Felix Baumgartner did was undeniably cool, and made for great televsion. It was something that had never been seen before ever not been seen for a long time.

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However, in the midst of everyone handing out plaudits to Baumgartner for his record-setting skydive, I would like to take this opportunity to remind readers about the man who paved the way decades earlier, Air Force Colonel Joe Kittinger. So I ask you to bear with me as I engage in a bit of jingoism and explain why Kittinger was even nuttier than ‘ol Felix.

It was an exciting time to be a pilot in the 1950s. Chuck Yeager and the boys were doing crazy things out at Muroc (now Edwards) Air Force base. Jet planes were flying faster, farther, and higher than ever. With these new capabilities, the Air Force was understandably growing concerned with the ability of their pilots and aircrew to safely bail out at high altitudes.

Impressed with his flying skills, shown chasing jet cars through the salt flats at low levels without turning his plane into a smoking crater, the Air Force invited then-Captain Joe Kittinger to be part of the project to test high altitude parachute capabilities  the project was to be named Excelsior, Latin for “ever upward.”

Air Force Colonel Joe Kittinger

Knowing that he would be jumping higher than any B-52 had ever flown apparently didn’t trouble Kittinger or his humongous balls. On the first try, the chute malfunctioned  wrapped around his neck, and choked him out. Thankfully, his automatic opening device operated as intended and saved his life.

Back then, pesky near-death experiences didn’t really have much of a deterrent on men like Kittinger. So, a couple of weeks later, he went up in the balloon again. This time, the pressurization in his suit failed, and his hand swelled to twice its normal size, rendering it unusable. Not wanting the mission to be aborted, and while in extreme pain, Kittinger said nothing to ground control. Then, looking out from his perch at 102,800 feet, he said “Fuck it” and jumped.



Remember, Project Excelsior was in 1960. I’m pretty sure science didn’t actually exist yet. There were probably a couple of guys smoking unfiltered Lucky Strikes and swigging scotch working out the geometry with their slide rules and working with computers with hundreds of mega kilo bytes of computing power. I’m sure old timey words like “swell” and “chum” were tossed around like crazy. And the clipboards… there were many clipboards.

For his efforts, Kittinger was awarded his salary of slightly over $3000 a month, in today’s dollars. The story barely made the papers.

After his historic jump, Captain Kittenger was deployed to Vietnam, engaging the enemy in both aerial and ground combat. He shot down a MIG fighter jet, who returned the favor later that deployment by shooting him down, resulting in his being captured by the enemy.

After capture, Kittinger was a POW at the Hanoi Hilton for almost a year. During this time, he was routinely tormented by the enemy, including the infamous Vietnamese “rope torture.” He distinguished himself further while in captivity, bravely resisting the enemy to the best of his ability and maintaining command and control.

During his remarkable career, Colonel Joseph Kittinger was awarded 2 Silver Stars, 3 Bronze Stars with Valor device, 5 Distinguished Flying Crosses, 2 Purple Hearts, and 23 air medals! Beat THAT, Baumgartner!

Retiring in 1978 at the age of 50, still interested in ballooning and bored with civilian life, Colonel Kittinger married a hot chick 30 years his junior, and took up balloon racing. He became the first man to solo across the Atlantic ocean in a hot air balloon in 1984, and was a regular on the balloon racing circuit. (Yes, that is a thing.)

Red Bull is to be commended for including Colonel Kittinger in the Stratos project. And the Colonel, as one would expect, has been nothing but a class act in supporting Baumgartner. But you know, deep down, that 89 year old Colonel Joe wants to get back up there now and kick his ass back to Austria and take back his record.

Air Force Colonel Joe Kittinger

In all seriousness, Felix: you did a hell of a job. Big ups to you, my man.

*On a side note, as far as Baumgartner’s jump itself: After taking an informal survey of all the HALO guys I know, they agree: They’d still rather do Felix’s jump than one of these.

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shagstar
shagstar 5pts

i can imagine the next generation of daredevils using custom made boggie boards with heat resiestent,carbon fiber tiles

too skip across the atmosphere a few times before they re-enter and pop their chute!  ultimate hang-10 experience! lol

CJCJ
CJCJ 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @shagstar I like the concept. Time to make the "Iron Man" suit a reality? Big time life support challenges. 

shagstar
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 @CJCJ 

the suit would take away the human factor though!  too many fail safes don't allow the cajones to swell!!  lol

SEAL76
SEAL76 5pts

Felix Baumgartner is in this for the money. Red Bell sponsored him. He did not do this in Austria,. He did it in the USA. New Mexico I believe.

bkgreenfeet
bkgreenfeet 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @SEAL76 yeah, i know but red bull is austrian an so is he. So...... 'merica.

 

SEAL76
SEAL76 5pts

 @bkgreenfeet Red Bull is from Thailand.

SEAL76
SEAL76 5pts

 @bkgreenfeet  @SEAL76 I was at a party a few months ago. The guy that had the party was in the restaurant and food supply business. He had a can of RB with Thai writing and also Product of Thailand. I am guessing that the Thai inventor probably sold the manufacturing rights.

bkgreenfeet
bkgreenfeet 5pts

 @SEAL76 the austrian guy stole an existing drink, changed the flavor, and now it's an austrian company. Close enough.

 

shagstar
shagstar 5pts

 @SEAL76  @bkgreenfeet 

i have heard that all these,, protein drinks/supplements,,can be quite addictive!

any truth too that?  ( i know the answer)  as a former Army medic,,i used to treat

some of my troop's for amping out over too much coffee/caffeine pills! 

JHR
JHR 5pts

 @bkgreenfeet  @SEAL76 do you folks drink Red Bull? I do on occassion. It seems to work.

 

JHR
JHR 5pts

 @SEAL76  @bkgreenfeet SEAL- Nobody knows what it is like until they've experienced it. My 1st bout was at 9 years old. Weird,straight alcohol doen't hurt it (mixes do). Coffee migh be too acidic and throw thousands of amalasye into my stomach. If you get it again-STOP EATING. Get IV prolosac. Still, stop all food intake for a few weeks and that will cure it.

 

SEAL76
SEAL76 5pts

 @JHR  @bkgreenfeet  I love coffee. I have had pancreatitis and it sucks. Coffee doesn't bother me except that I piss a lot.

SEAL76
SEAL76 5pts

 @JHR  @bkgreenfeet  @SEAL76 No I don't like the taste.

JHR
JHR 5pts

 @bkgreenfeet  @SEAL76 I know, I know. Everyone says that, and they give me shit for drinking it once in a while (a few times a month). I was born with a mis shaped Pancreas. Causes Pancreatitis. So I learned early what to eat, what not to eat or drink. Coffee is OUT. Can't handle it. I found O can tolerate The Bull, and some Teas. I like the caffeine. The doc offered caffeine pills, but they wire u.

 

bkgreenfeet
bkgreenfeet 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @JHR  @SEAL76 no way man. Coffee and water. Everything else is shit for you.

BrandonWebb
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Oh yeah...you can have that dope on a rope stuff....I'm a qualified Army rigger and have seen first hand the use of a metal packing paddle...just because it looks pretty doesn't mean it is...

CSO
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Baby Killer, another great story brother... stop showing up in my room for 5 mins ... then leaving a-hole. Good Job, Great article, now it's time for the MARSOC Motorcycle Teams interview... lemme know when you want the contact info brother, you're always welcome to come over anytime.

bkgreenfeet
bkgreenfeet 5pts

 @CSO CSO, you know I can't overstay my welcome. Plus I don't trust you MARSOC boys not to mess with me if I fall asleep in there.

NelsonJr
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Baumgartner did an amazing job and gave all praise, all the time to Kittinger. We can all say "they did what we did years ago" or "we did it better first etc" but very few, if any on here would have the cojones to do the stunt and live to tell about it.

 

Hats of to Baumgartner and Col Kittinger for training him well on what was an enviable and amazing feat regardless of who did it first.

bkgreenfeet
bkgreenfeet 5pts

 @NelsonJr yeah, they were both class all the way. 

50run50gun
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"On the first try, the chute malfunctioned  wrapped around his neck,  and choked him out."

 

I just talked with a guy I work with who has over 1,800 jumps and is a member of Team Fastrax (http://www.teamfastrax.com/) professional sky diving team.  He was telling me that on Kittenger's first attempt NASA decided to have a “drogue” automatically employ when he jumped.  The idea was that it would slow him down and prevent him from spinning rapidly, but because there is no air in space it didn’t do anything except tangle around him causing him to pass out.     

 

bkgreenfeet
bkgreenfeet 5pts

 @50run50gun good intel.

 

hooptysteve
hooptysteve 5pts

@closethedoor @RedBullStratos Before Baumgartner, someone made a Boards of Canada fan-video with Kittinger footage http://t.co/7QhVB69K

KingOfTheApples
KingOfTheApples 5pts

@closethedoor Yes! Thanks for finding this.

Love_n_Respect
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What's even crazy about Joe's jump is that he did it on a day w/ near complete cloud cover. Look at the view from Joe's balloon vs. Felix's balloon. Those of you that have flown in the clouds know without instruments you have little sense of up, down, left, or right. I don't know what the ceiling was that day, but it had to be scary as shit until he broke through the cloud cover.

DavidGrega
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I believe Joe still holds the record for the longest "time" in free fall...Felix had to deploy his shoot early for some reason...props Joe!

CSO
CSO 5pts

 @DavidGrega his Face-Shield Fogged up completely... that's why... couldn't see his altimeter.

Love_n_Respect
Love_n_Respect 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

@DavidGrega The free fall time record was not broken, you are correct.

Romadave
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There is something vaguely American I remember hearing about once upon a time... Oh yeah, fearless curiosity and unbendable will. Otherwise known as 'Balls'. We need some more of that round here. It's why I love reading stories on sofrep. You crazy mf-ers rock!

JShepard
JShepard 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 6 Like

Pretty much my reaction when I head the news...  Yeah, its cool he got a little higher, and broke the sound barrier.  With an extra 50 years of technology.  They just had to get higher to lower the air density to that magic point where drag was low enough that the terminal velocity was higher than sound barrier.  That really wan't what NASA was trying to do.  They just wanted to make sure you could survive and bail out if need be at the edge of the atmosphere.  I remember my grandparents telling me about the Col., so this was a little anti-climatic.  Felix still pulled off a bad ass feat breaking the sound barrier.  Probably was even more impressive if you saw it on MSNBC, he went faster than the speed of light!  I'm just glad they factored in the weight of these guys' massive stones when they designed the parachute.

JHR
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In all Fairness, Felix did Jump higher than Joe and did break the sound barrier (Correct me if I am wrong). Felix also said "I couldn't have done it without Joe). When they lost touch at one point, Felix admitted how lost he was without Joe's voice guiding him on the other end. In a magical way, I kinda think Joe was right there with Felix on some levels, during that jump.

 

Heh-I heard Felix would love to do an article with you guys, Joe too and talk about his Military Jump Career. I heard he gets motivation from American SOF. (just putting a bug in the ear here.)

 

They don't make them like Kittinger anymore, Thats For Sure. And there aren't any more Burt Rutans (Spaceship One). These guys are legens, icons and more. Joe Kittinger was a True American Badass Hero. As far as his wife, Gals Know a good thing when they see it:-)

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bkgreenfeet
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 @mrfrosty That is hilarious.

Tango9
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 @mrfrosty LOL!

Tango9
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Good lord, he desn't even need a gun all he has to do to kill the enemy is dump all his air medals on them.

Breach
Breach 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I LOL'd when I realized what the title was referring to. Good game BK.

bkgreenfeet
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 @Breach Yeah, I just realized that some people were probably thinking, "What the hell does Austria have to do with this?" Probably should have noted that Red Bull is an Austrian company, and Felix is Austrian as well. My bad.

JHR
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 @bkgreenfeet  @Breach And Felix was in Austrian Military. He was a Jump Dude. It would be interesting to hear about how the Austrians do it. They sure put on some awesome Music festivals, make great Nightgowns (Lanz of Salzburg), have bery pretty green hills with the sound of music, Lipizon horses, fantastic mountain view trams, then this Felix dude flys out of the sky. Makes you kinda wonder if he was adopted.

 

JHR
JHR 5pts

 @50run50gun  @bkgreenfeet  @Breach I forgot about Gaston Glock. I agree on that one; On Arnold-NOT so Much:-) Yo, I winder if Felix is from Glox Country-Deutsch-Wagram- Maybe he is relative? One thing, Nice that he is going to stop Jumping from High Altitudes and settle with GF. Good Guy.

 

50run50gun
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 @JHR  @bkgreenfeet  @Breach

 The Austrians gave us Glock and Arnold Schwarzenegger.  It should come as no surprise that they also gave us Felix the badass.

jrexilius
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Thanks for doing this write up BK.  I'm glad someone gave voice to my pride that one of my USAF brothers did it first, five decades ago.

 

I'm hoping that this lights some fire for the USAF to take the record back.  I'm thinking Low Earth Orbit insertions, ceramic plate suits. I can see justification for ejection seats for next gen high flyers or some such ;-)

Tango9
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 @jrexilius Don't be giving the PJ ideas.  Keeping these guys from spontaneously getting naked in public is half the fight, if you start mentioning jumping from space they'll find a way to not just get there but to jump with, and finish, a case of beer.  Lot's of "WHHHOOOOO!" as well. 

 

/shakes head

/calls medicsteve and places him on standby

bkgreenfeet
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 @Tango9  @jrexilius Oh, I have pictures... 

JHR
JHR 5pts

 @Tango9  @jrexilius Speaking of naked Jumpers. My older pal was the first to jump naked in a group, then do the ring with other naked jumpers, was on the cover of time magazine. He later died in a Jump accident (chute did not open). RIP David Cosgrove.

 

JHR
JHR 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @jrexilius  @Tango9 Yeah, they invented "Fearless" into my vocabulary! They were only 6-10 years older, but brave extreme athletes. Did you even hear of those skis with rollers for skilling grass slopes? It was all good, homemade Pizza, Rootbeer and good times. Used to play Beacon Beacon, an old mil game on no moon nights, over a vast area/remote. Better than growing up watchin TV!

 

jrexilius
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 @JHR  @Tango9  sounds like an awesome guy to have around when you're growing up.

JHR
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 @Tango9  @jrexilius It was a really long time ago. He was One of the greatest guys. At 12 years old, he said, come on-and took me to a steep hill with about a dozen other grown ups (sort-a). They had these skis with rollers on them and they were roller skiing down this mountain, rocks, shrubs, drops-nothing was "off limits". My job was to keep the truck running and get anyone to the local hospital that needed to. Because the Medic was roller skiing too:-)

 

Tango9
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 @JHR  @jrexilius :/  sorry J.

ColonelProp
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I'll jump in for other comments back to me but here is another awesome example of guys putting their bodies through hell...bang seats. Huge wheelbarrows to carry these pairs... http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=AD0664553

engelbrad
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I really appreciate the history on Colonel Kittinger BK! great info! I watched 'The Right Stuff' and then tuned in to Felix's jump. That made for a great Sunday morning!

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LauraWalkerKC
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The same day of Felix's jump, Chuck Yeager (89) went up and broke the sound barrier again on the 65th anniversary of his first time.  A kickass day all around :)

bkgreenfeet
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 @LauraWalkerKC I'm working on something about Uncle Chuck right now.

shooten
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 @bkgreenfeet  @LauraWalkerKC I was lucky enough to meet him when I was 10.  The man leaves an impression!

CJCJ
CJCJ 5pts

 @shooten  @bkgreenfeet  @LauraWalkerKC 

...Chuck Yeager (89) went up and broke the sound barrier again on the 65th anniversary of his first time.  A kickass day all around :)

...

...imagine what we could accomplish if O.S.H.A. didn't exist?

...

...I'm working on something about Uncle Chuck right now.

...

...I was lucky enough to meet him when I was 10.  The man leaves an impression!

 

I was rollin' through an airport a few years back in uniform. Spotted CY sitting in a seat on the concourse watching the world go by. We locked eyes on each other instantly and I got this shit eating grin on my face. He knew that I knew exactly who he was. He fired back the same shit eating grin and then hit me with a wink as I passed him by. Not a word was said between us.

 

Yeager rocks. Much respect for that dude. For those who haven't read his autobiography, get it and you'll be glad you did.

shagstar
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 @LauraWalkerKC 

imagine what we could accomplish if O.S.H.A. didn't exist?

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