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Home » Black Ops & Intel » FOX News Throws OPSEC To The Wind

FOX News Throws OPSEC To The Wind

by Brandon Webb · October 26, 2012 · Posted In: Black Ops & Intel, NSWC, SOF News
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It’s easy to get riled up in the spin of things and FOX news is no stranger to this. There’s some good people at FOX but, I’m dissapointed that they started dropping unit designations and three letter acronyms like TMZ paparazzi.

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They threw OPSEC to the wind in favor of politics and I’m calling them on it, just like I would anyone else (e.g. New York Times, WIRED, CNN..take your pick). They could have broken this story and not have had the same amount of disclosure and OPSEC issues in my opinion.

Some things should be better left unsaid when it comes to certain types of operations. There’s a reason for a tiered classification system, it protects people and sensitive information.  Others will certainly not forget this either. Especially the active men, and women who’s lives remain at risk, and who continue to serve in austere environments in Defense of America.

OPSEC-SOFREP

Security & Gunships

Gunship support, if it was available, is not as easy as people think. There has been plenty of blue on blue (friendly fire) in Iraq and Afghanistan due to friendly forces mistakenly identified as enemy.

I remember a SOF team in Afghanistan who were traveling in a vehicle convoy with indigenous forces and came under gun ship fire, it killed a lot of people. The guy I spoke too still had glass shards for windshield sticking out of his face. “Spooky” is no fucking joke and if guys aren’t clearly identified on the ground with IR markings then it would have been extremely difficult for the gun ship to engage. That and having experienced communicators calling in Close Air Support would have been critical.

Double or triple the Department of State Security detail with Ambassador Stevens, and they would have still been facing overwhelming odds.  Considered the denied requests honored and they outcome likely remains the same.  Bad things happen in the world, and heroes sometimes die.

Everyone on the rescue team knew the risks going into Libya. In remote and dangerous parts of the World bad things sometimes happen. Sometimes the chain of command waits too long, it happens, this is not the first time and it sucks.

Pay Attention To What You Hear This November

Be careful what you read and watch, the political spin machine is in full effect.  Ask yourself these two  simple questions:

  1. What’s the media outlet’s motive in all of this?
  2. What is the journalist’s background and subject matter expertise?

Use this to guide you as you piece together the puzzle. I for one agree with Panetta on this one. There’s too much arm chair quarterbacking going on.  I’m going to wait to pass judgement until the November dust settles.

Glen, Ty, and their team answered the call for help when nobody else would.  They are heroes for this, and this should not be forgotten.

 

 

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Brandon Webb is a former U.S. Navy SEAL with combat deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, and elsewhere in the Middle East. His last tour in the SEAL Teams was as the Course Manager for the US Navy SEAL Sniper program, arguably one of the most difficult sniper courses in the world. He was formerly a contributing editor for Military.com, and currently the Editor-in-Chief of SOFREP.com. Brandon is regularly featured in the media as a subject matter expert on military affairs. An avid writer, his last two books (The Red Circle, & Benghazi: The Definitive Report) both hit the New York Times best seller list, and his writing has been featured in print, and digital media worldwide. You can follow him on Twitter @BrandontWebb

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Love_n_Respect
Love_n_Respect 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I'm not really sure where the best place to post this is b/c it is relevant to a few recent threads, so I'll put it here too:___ http://m.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/editorials/benghazi_invisible_man_8rMYimGHR9RXR6Hbp8SXzK

RedWanderer
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Brandon, my apologies for posting without having read your entire article.  All I'll confess to is having returned late from a Halloween party that night and I probably couldn't even read all the words on the page.  Now that I"ve had time to go back and  actually read it, I couldn't agree more with the following words from your article:

 

"They threw OPSEC to the wind in favor of politics and I’m calling them on it, just like I would anyone else (e.g. New York Times, WIRED, CNN..take your pick). They could have broken this story and not have had the same amount of disclosure and OPSEC issues in my opinion.

Some things should be better left unsaid when it comes to certain types of operations. There’s a reason for a tiered classification system, it protects people and sensitive information."

 

Actually, over the past two years, I haven't seen anyone across the interweb post more indignantly about OPSEC violations and leaks that have put our assets and resources at risk than myself, so I'm feeling kinda badly that I missed your primary point when I started posting in this thread Satruday night.  Don't even get me started on Julian and Wikileaks. 

 

So yes, I couldn't agree more with the gist of your thread.

 

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engelbrad
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@notdrakebell Great post bro!

StormR
StormR 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

@notdrakebell   I read on FB that this particular photo was taken in September, but it is priceless.  I'm sure that today they are either standing guard or gearing themselves up to go help Americans in trouble during this disaster.  Yup, that photo shows what we really should all be about!

shatmagnet
shatmagnet 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

While I agree with the sentiment, it should be noted that if it were the opposition party in power every other major news organization would have been stepping all over each other to beat each other to do the same.

 

RedWanderer
RedWanderer 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @shatmagnet Agree that the corrupt press is almost an even bigger story than the WH screwups with Libya.  MSM has always had a liberal bent - hell, in surveys the ratio is always about 9 to 1 when journalists are asked their political leanings or affiliations -  but what we've seen regarding the handling of the Benghazi story is so disturbing that it's absolutely time to start holding them legally responsible in some way. 

 

I agree with both Panetta's and Brandon's point that there's Monday Night Quarterbacking.  Yes there certainly is.  But that doesn't excuse the incompetence and coverup by the White House, and doesn't excuse the journalistic malpractice by the press.

 

Just because partisans are asking whether the President and his people are liars, doesn't mean the questions shouldn't be asked.  Kinda like the saying, "just because one is paranoid doesn't mean one isn't being tracked."

shatmagnet
shatmagnet 5pts

 @RedWanderer  @shatmagnet Yeah, please don't get me wrong as I wasn't excusing Fox, I'm fed up w/ ALL of them.  I was simply pointing out that if it hadn't been a Democrat in office every other outlet would have released everything they could to have screwed any Republican, whether they were at fault or not.  The media only give a shit about  OPSEC when it's convenient for their guy.

 

SleazyWeazel
SleazyWeazel 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

DEFINITELY they should not be forgotten.

engelbrad
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I thought this was an interesting read. http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/28/opinion/opinion-presidential-greatness/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

MedicSteve2
MedicSteve2 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@engelbrad interesting, how, Brad? His conclusion that FDR "understood the presidency better than anyone before or after him"' is, at best, partisan. But at worse, ignorant of Washington, Jefferson, Madison. I'd imagine that since they invented the position, they probably knew a little more. FDR routinely shredded the Constitution.

engelbrad
engelbrad 5pts

@MedicSteve2 Interesting as there were several opinions in the article that gave thoughts on "Presidential Greatness". These opinions are from well read authors of political publication. There was "his and her" opinions in the read. I agree with you on the absence of Washington, Jefferson and Madison. I also missed any mention of Reagan. Anyway... Interesting.

EastCoast
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@BrandonWebb, great job on The Blaze the other night in regard to US FP. 

EastCoast
EastCoast 5pts

Fox like all the other news channels with the exception of The Blaze (which I am so damn proud of Glenn for taking a stand and doing) are there for profit. Look at people like Shep Smith, Megyn Kelly, Bill O'Reilly, Greta, etc. They're all there for profit in attempt to appeal to the right of center numb heads. (Those who can't think for themselves) I am conservative on almost all issues (except social; states issues on about all) I think Fox tries to be nice. They're covering Libya great, however they're failing on calling out Obama, excluding Sean Hannity whom I am a fan of. If you want to get the unfiltered news, that has no fear of ratings or offending people watch/listen to The Blaze. Or SOFREP you can get foreign policy news, other than that it's all product peddling. 

hjw1dr
hjw1dr 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 6 Like

Wow.

First Time I've read so many emotional responses in threads under an article on this site. One sign that SOFREP is getting more attention and more traffic? Or maybe we just need a reminder about the pitfalls of partisanship? 

 

Anyway, I believe information is the best solution to resolving confusion, but I also believe in using good judgment when dealing with al kinds of information-- no matter how confidential it may be. 

OPSEC outlined as above is helpful but formally devised for certain entities. 

 

Usually I've found the following helpful when dealing with information and decisions.

• Develop a logical and orderly thought process by practicing objective estimates of the situation. 

• Do not give in to impulse. 

• Practice viewing a situation from multiple perspectives, identifying and framing the key issues, and anticipating the intended and unintended consequences. 

• Consider the effects of your decisions on all those who may be affected or are involved. 

• Appreciate the value of mentorship and learn from the experience of others. 

 

The above won't prevent all mistakes, but it does help.  :)

Anyone else have thoughts on this? 

 

 

 

caiusKeys
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 @hjw1dr I've been thinking about this, and wanted to establish some analytic focus and ask some questions to elicit some help. 

 

Here is what I think we know: 

1. Those on the ground in Benghazi had good comms and there was a drone in the air. Obama was briefed on the situation, so Obama knew from two sources of intel that it was an attack and not a protest that turned violent.

2. Obama made the decision not to help those on the ground with military assets.

3. Obama then mischaracterized this decision for weeks afterwards as a crowd turned violent and not an organized attack. 

 

Is something here wrong? Is something else relevant? 

 

Here are two key questions that need good answers: 

Key question #1. Why did Obama choose not to commit military assets to help those on the ground?

Key question #2. Why did Obama decide to portray Benghazi as a crowd gone awry -- the opposite of what it was and what he knew it to be?

 

What am I missing? 

RedWanderer
RedWanderer 5pts

CK, after reading a few of your posts, I've concluded you are an analytical genius.

RVN SF VET
RVN SF VET 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @caiusKeys  @hjw1dr Answers! You are missing answers to legitimate questions.

hjw1dr
hjw1dr 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @RVN SF VET  @caiusKeys Answers are information.

We need more information--actually, we need a whistle blower to step forward who knows the whole story and can back it up with evidence.

 

But, playing devils advocate: it's possible that the Admin only wanted to evacuate the Annex, (after the consulate escalated into the annex coming under fire) and were reluctant to fire heavy weapons into a residential area. They sent the Libyan QRF (with security from Tripoli) to help evacuate the annex, but underestimated the number to evac. (There were over 30+ people to evac) This is supported by reports that indicated they had to wait on the evac because there weren't enough vehicles and the helo couldn't carry them out.  They had to charter a private plane -- via CIA.

That likely allowed the enemy to establish better firing positions, and dig in. 

 

That doesn't explain why they didn't send in a heavily armed QRF though.  By then, it should have been understood that this was a well coordinated attack. 

 

About the cover up, and lies== I think its only when we know precisely what happened, (and why), can we understand the Admin's words and actions. No doubt, it was a complete CF. It also completely invalidated the claims that the Admins Foreign policy was working. 

 

but we still need more info...

 

StormR
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 @caiusKeys  @hjw1dr I don't think we 'know'  your #2 point yet.   The definitive answer will answer your #1 Key Question.  As for the #2 key question, I'm leaning toward the theory that the administration was trying to cover up the fact of the CIA station and did an incredibly poor job at it.  It is somewhat heartening to know they lie that badly LOL

engelbrad
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@StormR @caiusKeys @hjw1dr "It is somewhat heartening to know they lie that badly" Elves... This is a perfict example of why we need an additional like button titled "+100".

engelbrad
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@caiusKeys @hjw1dr Tough questions and I'm not sure what answers we'll get. For now I'm going to focus on the Heroes of this story and hope that similar situations like this will be avoided as much as possible. There is probably a good load of facts that we are unaware of still.

Love_n_Respect
Love_n_Respect 5pts

@caiusKeys: I don't know if you read this story yet, it was up on Daily Beast & posted in a different thread, but it is supposedly someone who was on the ground that night helping the Americans & the guy who took Stevens body from the morgue to the airport. He states that they had word that another, larger group of American reinforcements(hints at military) were coming to the annex to get everyone out of there but were called off & instead a large group of Libyans showed up to finally get out guys to the airport. From this guys point of the view the while night was jacked up & the Libyan Militia that was supposed to be helping us was actually also coordinating with the guys attacking up. The one clear thing I got from this is that we shouldn't have had so many people there without MUCH more security. ______http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/10/28/was-benghazi-attack-on-u-s-consulate-an-inside-job.html

engelbrad
engelbrad 5pts

@caiusKeys @hjw1dr I'm with you bro.

caiusKeys
caiusKeys 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @engelbrad  @caiusKeys  @hjw1dr Driving towards answers for those questions is my analytic way of honoring those heroes, as you say. 

Love_n_Respect
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@caiusKeys: Playing devil's advocate, I'd say we don't know with certainty what Obama was told as most information gets to the POTUS through a filter & not directly. There is even a filter of some sort when he's watching real time video. We don't know if Obama delegated authority to the SecDef.

engelbrad
engelbrad 5pts

@caiusKeys @Love_n_Respect lol... I inserted that while I was reading... I figured that is what you meant and as a serial typoist I completely understand;)

caiusKeys
caiusKeys 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Love_n_Respect Sorry -- does NOT square w/ SOF ops. That is, I think Panetta indeed knew enough to go in w/ good comms and a drone. 

 

However -- what were the number of fighters? About 150? I wonder if they got scared, thinking they were fighting the equivalent of 150 Rangers or Marines? The general feeling I'm getting is that yes, there were some forces there, something well beyond an ambush, but some stiffer resistance, reinforcements, or CAS might have turned the tide. 

caiusKeys
caiusKeys 5pts

 @Love_n_Respect I think we do know this because the principals were in the white house on 9/11 and there was a 5pm briefing. Moreover, there was an Ambassador in peril -- the civilian equivalent of a four-star -- which I believe requires presidential notification. 

 

I would argue there is also circumstantial evidence because four weeks of political capital was expended to lead the trail away from Obama. SecState Clinton tried to take responsibility, and Panetta is now talking about Monday morning quarterbacking and not knowing enough, which does square with SOF operations. Third, Obama did not answer KUSA Denver Kyle Clark's direct question. 

bulldog57
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@hjw1dr My thoughts? uhmmmm......What you said. lol

StormR
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 @hjw1dr  Very well done!

engelbrad
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@hjw1dr My thoughts are that yours are very good hjw! Great steps to follow.

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hjw1dr
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 @notdrakebell  @engelbrad I'll copy it to a notepad. thanks for the compliment! :)

engelbrad
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Has anyone here ever tried smoked troll tenderloin? You serve it with a plumb butter sauce and a nice bottle of merlot. It's really delicious!

areyoukidding
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Here we go again.  It's amazing to me that THIS website would have any thing to say about OPSEC disclosures, when you spend your entire existence flinging out whatever nugget you can find.  What incredible tactic or technique did FOX News expose?  That we have AC 130s?  I'm not even sure why I bother to look at these posts, but I'm drawn to it like a bad car wreck.  YOU GUYS publish stories like this:http://sofrep.com/11885/beyond-neptune-spear-the-open-secret-history-of-seal-team-six-part-2/, and then have the balls to say FOX News is giving up OPSEC?  Jesus Christ, the hypocrisy is absolutely astounding.  I'm sorry that FOX busted your buddy for writing a tell-all, but spare us the high-and-mighty view that you think FOX is harming national security.  Or at least look in a mirror first.

Love_n_Respect
Love_n_Respect 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@areyoukidding: reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, huh? Beyond Neptune Spear- The OPEN Secret History of SEAL Team Six...

frenchieNYC
frenchieNYC 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @areyoukidding

 

OP  -  There's nothing in that article having anything to do with any operation of any sort. 

 

SEC  -  there's nothing in that article that isn't already open knowledge, published elsewhere.

 

???

RedWanderer
RedWanderer 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

You know what folks?  Let the egg-throwing commence -  I was an AF type and we're kinda slow- but I think Brandon and Areyoukidding have both offered some great food for thought.

 

For example, I beeeotch about leaks more than anyone I know, yet as Brandon rightly made me realize,  I was giving Fox a pass on OPSEC without thinking about it.  Once he pointed it out, I realized - as we all know - that unit information is as clear an example of leaking/OPSEC violations as they come, and I certainly get all snively when the libs do it.

 

But then I had to step back and think about that old dilemma we clearance holders (or former) have when we see something in open source, know it's true, and want to comment about it if it's part of a national conversation, yet as former holders (vice current holders) of the classified information, are still trying to figure out how much we can say.

 

Just thinking out loud.....

RedWanderer
RedWanderer 5pts

 @StormR  Outstanding post, StormR.  Finding that balance is a challenge for all of us I think.  I think citizens should push to get at the truth as much as they possibly can.

StormR
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 @RedWanderer    I imagine there must be a very fine line for clearance holders - both current and former - regarding what and when to comment.  It's not a situation I've ever been in or can imagine.  As a civilian, I deal with 'confidential' information, but it's extremely clear and simple that I can't discuss it or comment on it ever.  But my kind of confidential information is never related to life or death.   What I have struggled with since coming to SOFREP - as a civilian - is the whole 'need to know' piece.  I now look at things through a 'did I NEED to know this' lens.  I would never have thought like that previously.  I was in the camp:  'I'm a citizen and a taxpayer and I want answers, and dammit, I want them right now!"   I am no longer that kind of citizen.  But the problem for me remains, am I being told what I 'need' to know?  And how do I even judge if I need to know something?   There is always a tug between what I want to know and what I need to know. 

 

areyoukidding
areyoukidding 5pts

 @frenchieNYC Yeah, I agree completely.  Which is why I posted.  Nothing in the FOX report had anything to do with OPSEC.  Oh, wait, are you referring to my link about ST 6?  Really? So someone else blabs about OPSEC first, and it's okay to collate that together and report it, but it's absolutely TERRIBLE for FOX news to say something that's not even in the same ball park?  @Love_n_Respect  You're proving my exact point.  You can't hammer a news organization about blowing OPSEC, then go out and troll for every story on ST6 and report it in the same breath.  OPEN secret only means someone blabbed first, and building the collated report by people who know the truth only confirms what was simply rumors before.  Don't talk to me about OPSEC.  I'm not the one with reading comprehension problems.  I can still look in the mirror.

RVN SF VET
RVN SF VET 5pts

 @MedicSteve2  @StormR  @areyoukidding  Agreed. The opposition tries to read everything a free society generates. The Chinese are good at this. When we got to the caves holding the Japanese intelligence services in Japan, we found that they had gotten up to our 1939 National Georaphic magazines. Of course, now we have computers and OCR.@Blake Miles  @JHR 

MedicSteve2
MedicSteve2 5pts

 @StormR What @areyoukidding said has some merit.  Some.  BW, Jack and the gang don't spill sources and methods.  Everything they use is "out there" already.  There are enough savvy and traveled among us to either read between the lines or provide enough color for everyone else.  

 

If anyone out there, or "kidding" thinks that non-state actors or enemies are getting sources here, they've got an unrealistic view of the abilities of our adversaries.

 

 @RVN SF VET @Blake Miles or @JHR can backstop that for me, I'm sure

StormR
StormR 5pts

 @MedicSteve2   Thank you for sharing the story of your Dad.  During my son's second year of college, during a visit home, he said:  "Mom, have you always been this smart?"   I laughed until I had tears rolling down my face.   He now has children of his own - who are pre-teens.  I'm going to sit back and watch how he handles being on the other end of it :)

 

MedicSteve2
MedicSteve2 5pts

 @areyoukidding  @Love_n_Respect 

When I was 17, I used this same logical progression on my dad to enhance my argument.  He was SOOOO stupid.  It was, actually, unbelievable he produced a mind as fluid and multifaceted as mine was at the time.  By attacking him and his intellect, my points were made ever more salient.  

 

Fast forward two years later, between an arrest in college for an alcohol related fight and an ass-whooping from a very large, very black First Sargent named Payne, Ft. Jackson, SC.  Summertime, my dad had come along way.  I was really proud of him.  He wasn't nearly as stupid as he had been only a few scant months ago.  

 

I never talked to him like that....or this....again.

 

I'm not so sure you've ever had an experience like that.  Your tone from the very first word posted on this site has reminded me of the punk kid I was at 17.  My advice is to START nice, respectful, etc.  Then, after establishing your bona fides, go for the throat.

frenchieNYC
frenchieNYC 5pts

 @Love_n_Respect Good.  As it should be.

Love_n_Respect
Love_n_Respect 5pts

@frenchieNYC: the original version has been essentially scrubbed from existence. It's not available anywhere.

frenchieNYC
frenchieNYC 5pts

 @Rogue1  @frenchieNYC  @areyoukidding  @Love_n_Respect You totally missed my point.  The article has been edited, updated, modified, and cleaned up.  It is NOT the same as it was originally.

 

Originally, that article included a detailed account of the events.  It said exactly how many operators were on each team, how many went where & with how many lybians helping, & how many vehicles they used... and so on.

 

It's on one page now  -  originally, it barely fit on two pages.

Rogue1
Rogue1 5pts

@frenchieNYC @areyoukidding @Love_n_Respect The original Fox article is still live, just have to search for it. Here is the link. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied-request-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/. There is even the original contradictory 2nd to last paragraph, stating Glen was part of GRS for Benghazi annex, while earlier in the story it stated he was part of QRF from Tripoli.

frenchieNYC
frenchieNYC 5pts

 @areyoukidding  @Love_n_Respect 

 

I just went and re-read the FOX article, and you're right  -  if that's what the article had looked like when they first put it up, Brandon would have no reason to complain.  But I read the Fox article when it first came out, and the original version was pretty different.  It was more than twice as long, and contained a lot of details about Glen and Tyrone's assignments that hadn't appeared anywhere else before.  I guess Brandon wasn't the only one to complain.

areyoukidding
areyoukidding 5pts

 @Love_n_Respect  @areyoukidding Look, you can't have it both ways.  Either FOX news didn't "throw OPSEC to the wind" or this website continually does the same.  As for what I've said thus far, I've been pretty articulate, along with buttressing my points.  You respond with the usual last ditch effort of calling me names.  It's not that hard to understand.  Well, not that hard for some, I guess.  

 

By the way, fatwa is a a juristic ruling based on Sharia law.  I'm not sure what you mean by my "fatwa".  But that's probably because I "don't know what I'm talking about."

Love_n_Respect
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@StormR this article has really brought them out of the woodwork.

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 @areyoukidding    *Yawn*....blah, blah, blah...*Yawn*    Love & Respect - don't feed the trolls - it just encourages thm

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@areyoukidding I would suggest reading through the site (or just this post) before continuing your one man fatwa against SOFREP. Based on what you have said thus far I am not sure you'd know OPSEC if it hit you w/ a throat punch. If you'd bother to take the time to look around you'd find there are ways to make your point w/out looking like a jackass- you can "spell it out better". Finally if you are determined to be a jackass, at least know what you are talking about.

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 @Love_n_Respect You're right.  This is the last post, because you're clearly missing my blatantly obvious point.  Yes, "open" DOES refer to items gathered through open source materials.  And what are those "materials?"  They're NEWS STORIES for the most part.  So, in this article, FOX News gets hammered for blowing "OPSEC", by a website that's entire existence is founded on using those same "open sources" for publishing articles.  I'm sure there will be an "Open history of the CIA special activities division" in the future, and this very news story, which is apparently heinous, will be included as a source.  If you can't see the hypocrisy, I can't spell it out any better.  

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@areyoukiddingme: Actually, open in this specific context refers to items gathered through open source materials. Have you even read anything besides the title? I don't get the impression that you really have any interest in furthering the discussion here.

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