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Home » NSWC » What Went Right In Benghazi, Libya: A Story Of American Heroism

What Went Right In Benghazi, Libya: A Story Of American Heroism

by Brandon Webb · October 31, 2012 · Posted In: NSWC, SOF News, Special Operations
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I personally think that our government needs to start practicing straight talk. And this is across party lines, Americans deserve to hear truth, and not bull shit. You can protect programs, field operatives, and OPSEC while maintaining the truth. A simple, “the situation is complicated and we don’t have all the answers” will work. Try something different and you end up on wrong end of an American pitch fork.

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It also disappoints me that we have a political system that doesn’t promote or reward taking accountability. In fact it seems to promote everything but.  To have the head of the State Department wait almost a month before accepting responsibility is, what we call in the military, UNSAT (Unsatisfactory). We need to put incentives in place that reward standing up and taking immediate responsibility.

Politicians are quick to grandstand, and give condolences to families of fallen heroes. At the same time, they do nothing about the fact that U.S. Security contractors, a massive, and somewhat necessary force overseas, only receive only a few thousand dollars in burial funds when KIA. Glen, Ty, and a lot of others are in this category, and it’s UNSAT. Pet burial costs more.

The World, especially Libya, is a very dangerous place, and all involved knew the risks. Glen, and I talked about this frequently, this was his second trip, he knew the job, and the risks.  Rest assured that him, and the others, yes there were others, would have raised their hands to go again in hindsight.

It’s important to also point out that Libya is an emerging and very dynamic environment. Add a few three lettered agencies into the mix, and it becomes a very complicated. This alphabet soup of agencies coupled with a likely Special Operations presence adds complexity, and is what likely caused a delay in immediate support in Benghazi. Now let’s also look at what went right in Libya.

In the SEAL Teams, one of the most important lessons I took away was to maintain a positive mindset. Failure is almost always a part of success.  As the Japanese say, fall down seven times and get up eight.  It’s easy this November to get negative, grab a torch, and join up with the closest political mob. What’s hard, and right, is to remain objective and unbiased.

There are other unsung heroes of the Special Operations community involved with Libya and nobody is talking about them. They are likely healing from combat wounds, and they should be recognized for their bravery also.

What went right in Benghazi? A very small team of former (Glen and Ty), and active Special Operations personnel, against an overwhelming enemy force, successfully rescued over forty Americans. The Ambassador, and Sean Smith had already perished; those who remained were rescued, and safely returned to American soil.

Ty, my friend Glen Doherty, and the rest of their teammates answered the call when nobody else could. They did so knowingly, and against extraordinary odds. All of them are heroes for this, and this is what went right in Benghazi.

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Brandon Webb is a former U.S. Navy SEAL with combat deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, and elsewhere in the Middle East. His last tour in the SEAL Teams was as the Course Manager for the US Navy SEAL Sniper program, arguably one of the most difficult sniper courses in the world. He was formerly a contributing editor for Military.com, and currently the Editor-in-Chief of SOFREP.com. Brandon is regularly featured in the media as a subject matter expert on military affairs. An avid writer, his last two books (The Red Circle, & Benghazi: The Definitive Report) both hit the New York Times best seller list, and his writing has been featured in print, and digital media worldwide. You can follow him on Twitter @BrandontWebb

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Allwet
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Just a reminder that this thread was about what went RIGHT in Benghazi.

majrod
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For anyone still following Benghazi  (the media won't be able to spell it in a week or two)...

 

The film maker got a year in jail on unrelated charges.

 

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i0aKPIse1bbtAHD3LIdkpTfHfw7g?docId=c116e763ff084c0289aa2bd1b519032d

shagstar
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 @majrod these people are a trip,,they just never cease to amaze me!  friggin Watergate was a walk in the park compared to this fiasco.

shagstar
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here we go again,,,,http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2012/11/zawahiri_cites_raids.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LongWarJournalSiteWide+%28The+Long+War+Journal+%28Site-Wide%29%29

Recon6
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 @shagstar

 Hey Shag, at least the Army Sniper Team won the International Sniper Team Competition!!

That has to 'burn' the Marines up, lol......6

shagstar
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 @Recon6 

$20 bucks say's the Marines demand a re-count!!

Recon6
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 @Tango9  @shagstar

 Yea, weren't mentioned, lol.  Should have sent those pretty SP's y'all have!!

Who cares about paper targets when pretty AF girls are around?

You would have won, hands down....6

shagstar
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 @Tango9  @Recon6 

i think their too busy in a-stan and libya!  lol

Tango9
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 @Recon6  @shagstar I think even the AF security forces have a "Team" wth you grunts doing?

Recon6
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 @shagstar

 Me too, 35 teams entered, International teams also, but Army Grunts Rule,

even without an 'Official Team', lol.....6

shagstar
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 @Recon6 

i thought we had a team by now! lol

Recon6
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 @shagstar

 Lol, yea, and the Army doesn't actually have an "Army Sniper Team" !!

A SSgt and Specialist carried the day for Mother lol.....6

Love_n_Respect
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Ignore the source here, it was the only place that I could find the entire video.  I had started to come around on this a little, but now that I see this interview from 09-12-12 I am back to square one and then some.  I wanted to give the administration the benefit of the doubt, but this kind of makes me think this was all political for them.

 

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matt-vespa/2012/11/05/eve-election-cbs-news-finally-releases-libya-excerpts-obama-interview

shagstar
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off topic but,,but,another glimpse into the minds of traitors in our country!  http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2012/11/military-think-tank-recommends-big-benefit-cuts-110112w/

engelbrad
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@shagstar They are idiots shag!... Also, a donkey is a race horse designed by a "think tank". How is your Monday rolling?

majrod
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 @engelbrad  Not to be ignored.  Many of these proposals are already DoD positions and/or being promoted by gov't sponsored advisory groups (e.g. Defense Business Board). 

 

Many of these ideas are publicized as test baloons to see what the reaction will be.  Four years ago there was an idea suggesting vets be required to use personal health insurance first before gov't programs to treat service injuries and disabilities.  Yep, hard to believe but true.

 

 http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/10/veterans.health.insurance/index.html

 

 

  @shagstar

 

Recon6
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 @Matt2point0

 Lol, I understand bro.  Stormy brought it to my attention, I had over generalized in my comment.  I retracted it once I had re-read it.  I just get so 'wound up' with what has happened to our military, and when I heard 'sequestration' and 'military reductions' at any level, I see Red!  My reaction would have been the same if an "R" administration had made the same statement.....6

 

majrod
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 @Matt2point0   Saying one supports the troops but is against the war is contradictory.  If you think it isn't explain to the next of kin how you support their loved one's sacrifice but not the war he sacrificed it for...

 

At a minimum one has to acknowledge that one's resistance to a conflict plants doubt in the soldier's mind.  How one can say one "supports the troops' but not the war is a very difficult position to hold.  I suspect many that hold both beliefs haven't analyzed it much as admiting one is not totally "supporting the troops" is a tough thing to admit.  It takes some mental gymnastics to make sense of it.

 

Personally, I don't think wars are ever a "good idea".  Once we enter into them we should fight them aggressively and end them quickly.  I think every war we've been in has at least a small virtue.  I don't like the way we've waged either Iraq or Afghanistan but I understand why we went and why we must win if for nothing else to avoid going back in the future.     

 

JHR
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 @Matt2point0  @Recon6 Matt: That was a Great Point. Thank You for bringing it up. I've been a staunch Republican and a Democrat in my lifetime, I vote for who I feel is the best candidate. Our family political firm has bipartisan staff that fight for both Republicans, Democrats and are heavily invested in supporting our military. My uncle was an Olympian water polo player, he served in the Navy and is a liberal. I wonder if the Teams would turn him down because of his religous views? I think not. Anyone that attacks anyone (not talking about 6) based on their political party has no couth, no decorum, no respect and is an ugly human being. Respect others, no matter what their viewpoint, religion, political inclination or lifestyle. We may not like somebody, but we respect them. I think thats' what attracted me to SOFREP, is that it felt bipartisan and respectful of each other.

majrod
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 @Matt2point0  "I think the false narrative the republicans push that they are the only party  that supports the armed forces is tired and out of date."  That comment coming from democrats is as much a false narrative as the few Republicans that believe it.  You might want to check your six.  Seems like hypocrisy is on it.

 

I don't think all liberals are against the military but I can provide you a long list of quotes made by prominent liberals that include some pretty sad comments about our servicepeople.  The list includes Murtha, Kerry, Hillary and Obama.  You will not find those kind of comments coming out of the right.  Ask if you want to see them but I don't think it will be constructive.

 

Check out this article  http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/11/06/the_militarization_of_america  Titled "Do Americans love the military too much?" by Stephen M. Walt.  He is not on the right.

 

There are liberals that are very patriotic.  Some serve but your side also has a very vocal and anti-military segment so in all fairness you may want to exercise some of that famous Democrat tolerance in understanding where the angst is coming from and consider how the red states are over represented in the military and blue states are not...

 

BTW, you may not think the war is worthwhile and that doesn't mean you don't support the troops.  How about visiting http://sofrep.com/12991/our-fallen-heroes-bob-horrigan/ and explaining how you support Horrigan's service (and CW2 Duskin) but think their sacrifice served no purpose...

 

Recon6
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 @StormR

 Oh, thanks Stormy!  My Bad!  I used an over the top gross generalization.  I too know many Liberals who have and do serve, that is not what I was implying.

My feeling is that "generally speaking" the Left Politically i.e. Washington, favors supporting our military Less than the Right.  I have no Definitive stats, nor do I wish to delve further into the matter as it is of little consequence in the overall picture of things.

In our recent election, due to sequestration, there is to be a reduction in forces.

Mr. Romney stated he would not allow such a reduction, thus Left v. Right,

that was what I intended.

During the Clinton years our military suffered, although I actually thought he did his best as President, with a couple of exceptions of which I won't go into.

I now can see how Matt would think my words "harsh", and I thank you for clarifying it for me......6

Recon6
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 @StormR  @Matt2point0

 Oh Stormy, I will reach out to you with a "Cyber Hug" !!  I wish only the Best for everyone here and elsewhere.  As I have previously mentioned, I look forward to the people here, I believe J named us the SOFREP Mafia, lol.  That small core group that is always available for encouragement and support.

J is off on a 'mission', Fan is working extra hard, Matt is in and out etc. But, we All come back here whenever possible, for an exchange of ideas, hopes, dreams, and our Strong Belief in America.....6

shagstar
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 @Recon6  @RVN SF VET  @StormR  @majrod 

that photo was taken during the height of hurricane sandy! those troop's are incredible 

StormR
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 @Recon6  @Matt2point0  Musing is a really good thing.  I am SERIOUSLY in need of some simple musing time.  6, I'm feeling old and worn out right now, and not liking it much - family stuff, work stuff, nation stuff....I'm ragged and raw right now.  I envy you a chance to step away, and if those hogs chase you into a tree, I want pictures!!!!!

 

Recon6
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 @StormR  @Matt2point0

 Hi Stormy!!  I had to locate some more batts for my computer to get a comment in.  Not a lot of 'civilization' in central Florida, lol.

I will 'cautiously' offer congrats on your candidate winning the election, and the only reason I mention cautiously is ref. Matt's comment about me being too "harsh"??

Also, God Love ya, thanks for the complimentary words spoken above!!  You have no idea how much they mean to me.  I am able to come here because of friends like you, J, L, Matt, AW, damn, I can't name everyone I hold in such High Esteem, and it has zero to do with politics, etc.  It has a lot to do with "Character" of which I feel most of SOFREP members have in abundance.

I have been 'musing' also today.  Not much else to do out here.  Did get some lousy photos of a family of wild hogs, I was perched in a "Safe" location, lol.

Nothing comparable to AW's being chased by an amorous Elk, lol.

I am just so Hopeful America will begin to solve Her problems and return to Her pre-emenience in the World.  As AW says, "not as the World's police" but as the country every Nation turns to for Leadership.

I know I am Musing too much, lol......6

StormR
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 @Recon6  6, I can't speak for Matt, but I think it was the 'Libs are anti-military..." statement.  As you may remember, I reacted strongly to it as well.  It was a very 'personal' statement for me because of the many liberal male family members who have served this country.  Perhaps Matt read it the same way?  I choose to respond to it based on the liberal politicians I know who have continually worked on behalf of military personnel and for a strong military.  I did not speak to my own family members.

 

StormR
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 @Matt2point0  @Recon6  In Pres. Obama's speech, one snippet of one line went straight to my heart, "...love, charity, duty and patriotisim.."  I realized at that moment just how priviledged I am to be on SOFREP with the men who are the role models of that standard.  Recon6  jumped immediately to my mind.  He is passionate about those 4 things, and isn't afraid to show it - love, charity, duty, and patriotism  He is blunt, real, tolerant and forgiving, living the the example of love, charity, duty and patriotisim.  He is, of course, not the only one who does so in SOFREP - as a matter of fact, it's the 'norm' not the exception.   In the main, I know that on SOFREP, no matter if we disagree with one another or not, I can count on a fair hearing, support and people who feel as I do about America.    I'm just musing today..

 

Recon6
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 @shagstar  @RVN SF VET  @StormR  @majrod

 Shag, Awesome avatar brother!!  Just noticed it as I try to understand what comment I made that Matt mis-interpreted?.....6

Recon6
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 @Matt2point0

 I am curious as to what comment I made that you might interpret as "harsh"?

I concur that Many don't share my political views, whether military or civilian.

I also will state my candidate did not win the election, but I will begin hoping today that the 'gridlock' can cease and America can get back to restoring our Great Nation.

That has Always been my solid position and it has never wavered.

Again, that is surely Not what resulted in a 'harsh' interpretation?  I think I will wait to hear from you because you have me absolutely Confused....6

Recon6
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 @Matt2point0

 Hey Matt, which comment is"harsh" ??....6

shagstar
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 @RVN SF VET  @Recon6  @StormR  @majrod 

and that is a major frustration that we really don't control anymore!  whatever happened to,,you're hired and now,,you're fired! makes me pull my hair out!

LauraKinCA
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 @Recon6  @hjw1dr  @ChupaCabra  @StormR  @shagstar  @majrod  @engelbrad@RVN SF VET 

Sorry to but in on your conversation, but I am making a plea for you all to go over to the "Veterans Day Call to Action" thread, pick out 10 or so names off the fallen SOF list, and make a recording saying their names (no service branch) - maybe a recording of 2 to 3 names at a time. Brandon is putting it all together for an upcoming radio special for Veterans Day. I am helping out keeping track of which names are chosen (there is a google doc L&R put together) if anyone needs help getting your chosen names crossed off the list.

 

RVN SF VET
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 @Recon6  @StormR  @shagstar  @majrod Well, if you have Senator Bitch McConnell saying that it will be his goal to make this President fail; can you really say that Obama created a division? This at a time when the nation's economy is in the toilet. Rush Limbaugh expresses an identical sentiment. Then we have a vast number of people who feel that a person "of color" is not entitled to hold the office of president. Then Obama turns out to be inept in negotiating and compromising. He is matched by a Republican caucus which will not compromise and won't listen to their Speaker of the House. Finally, when the Democrats controlled both houses of Congress, the President made the Healthcare bill his first priority and ran over the Republican opposition. Once the Republicans took the House, we have not achieved a damn thing owing to electoral politics.

 

This was the wrong 4 years for bitter partisan politics. Our country deserved better from all of their small minds - regardless of party. Now we start another 4 years with most of the same players.

Recon6
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 @hjw1dr  @ChupaCabra  @StormR  @shagstar  @majrod  @engelbrad

 hjw1dr, fully understandable.  How can one 'like' something so deplorable!

We can only hope that either we are interpreting facts erroneously or someone will step forward and change the outcome, otherwise things appear bleak indeed.

We can hope, and like CC stated, each do our part within our own communities to affect change....6

hjw1dr
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 @Recon6  @ChupaCabra  @StormR  @shagstar  @majrod  @engelbrad I feel mixed feelings. I agree with your take, Recon6,  on what's coming to US - doomsday or not---but I didn't want to click  "like" for it! :)

Recon6
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 @ChupaCabra  @StormR  @hjw1dr  @shagstar  @majrod  @engelbrad

 CC, you and I think alike.  Fortunately there are many at SOFREP that follow a similar line of thinking.  That being said, I belleve the majority of citizens are too dis-engaged to see the world as it truly is!  They un willing to accept what is happening, even as it plays out before their very eyes.  Your example of Sandy is quite appropos, many people did nothing, expecting Help to come from Government, IF they even required assitance.

I may not be here to see the final outcome, but my kids and grandkids will certainly inherit a world I do not wish for them.....6

Recon6
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 @ChupaCabra  @hjw1dr  @StormR  @shagstar  @majrod  @engelbrad

 CC, that is the reason we have an English Mastiff!  He has 15% Italian Mastiff which makes him More aggressive than a full blooded hound.  My dog is to deter trouble, should they not take notice, my Guns will defisntely get their attention..6

Recon6
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 @hjw1dr  @ChupaCabra  @StormR  @shagstar  @majrod  @engelbrad

 Copy that hjw1dr, I follow your ideas to the same extent.  My local representatives probably hate it when they see my letters, emails, and phone calls on their daily worksheet....6

Recon6
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 @ChupaCabra  @StormR  @hjw1dr  @shagstar  @majrod  @engelbrad

 Thanks CC, sounds like an interesting course, one I shall pursue.

I am not sure how much anyone wants to know exactly the dire straights America has become enmeshed in.  When one begins to look at the GDP, Entitlement Programs, Unemployment, etc.  I mean look beyond what the Media shows, I feel hope slipping away!  The economic situation is a Global CF, and the necessary measures required for us to extricate America from the morass is mind blowing.

We have spent and printed money to the degree one cannot imagine.  The 'day of reckoning' is coming.  Instead of just a number of people losing everything, it will be Nations losing it all.  I certainly am not a doomsday type person, I am however a realist, and until our government Faces the facts of the situation and presents them to the public, we are headed down a one way street to disaster....6

Recon6
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 @StormR  @Recon6  @shagstar  @majrod

 Hey, you know I always appreciate anything you offer!  I am an Independent, and yes, I have voted for a Democrat previously.

It is unfortunate, but I fear the majority of Pols have sold out the people that put them in such a lucrative position, not only to make money for their families, but to Actually help direct this once great nation on to even greater accomplishments.

You have no idea holw much I Hoped O would be over the top successful, even tho I did not vote for him.  I desperately wanted to be Wrong!  We so needed a strosng Leader making difficult decisions when he came into office.  Sadly, imo,

he has failed at all positions.  He has divideed our Nation, not only along partisan lines, but also racial, economic, et al. 

We shall see, soon I hope, that his 15 minutes of undeserved fame are over.

If not, I will get up tomorrow and congratulate my Dem. friends for their Victory, and once again Hope he accomplishes the daunting tasks before us.....6

 

hjw1dr
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 @ChupaCabra  @StormR  @Recon6  @shagstar  @majrod  @engelbrad Sorry.. the link attached goes not where. It was because I edited the post.... and had to delete the old post. 

 

hjw1dr
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@ChupaCabra@StormR@Recon6@shagstar@majrod@engelbrad

I think it's up to us to remind them who they work for!

Part of the problem (imo) is that most of us dropped the ball, and forgot to watch our representatives and hold their feet to the fire. It's easy to let business continue as usual because you don't have time to "keep up" with them.

 

But, if nothing else, over the past 4 years i've learned to keep in touch with my representative and Senator. I try to make meetings when they are in town. I offer to provide a venue for a "coffee or meet and greet"  and stay in touch with their staff. (I don't have a ton of money, but it's amazing how their staff value those small things. 

And-- strangely enough, I try to vote for the person- not the party. 

 

It is a lot of work. But by doing so, I can make sure they hear from some of their local voters... not just those with money. It reminds them who votes them into (or out of) office. 

Read more: http://sofrep.com/12971/what-went-right-in-benghazi-libya-a-story-of-american-heroism/#ixzz2BT0UK8ZN

 

StormR
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 @Recon6  @hjw1dr  @shagstar  @majrod  @engelbrad

 

6, I greatly fear you are right about the 'after' election and gridlock continuing.  We saw it happen after Obama was elected and the head of the House said that the Republicans would not work with Obama and that the republican top priority was making sure Obama lost the last election.  The end result was absolute gridlock - nobody got anything done.  It disgusts me that Reid is now saying that back to the Republicans.   They locked up in this games and forgot who the heck they are working for. 

StormR
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@Recon6 @shagstar @majrod

 

And on the other hand, 6, there are people like Sen. Patty Murray of my home state Washington.  She's a Democrat and a tireless advocate and fighter for military personnel, their families and their benefits - particularly wounded warriors.  Rep. Norm Dicks, a Democrat (who just retired) was considered a Hawk, and again he was a tireless advocate and worker for the military.  Perhaps it's because I live in Washington State which is home to so many military bases and personnel, but we have a strong strong record of supporting the military and we're considered a Liberal State.   Yes, I think there are Far Left folks with an agenda - just like there are Far Right folks with an agenda.  And it's those folks that are the loudest and end up on the news, in blogs, on TV.  But they are the minority and not the majority for either side.  I try hard not to brush everyone with the same paint because of a few loudmouths.  Action speaks louder than words to me.   Anyway, that's my battered 2cents worth. 

Recon6
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 @shagstar  @hjw1dr  @StormR  @majrod  @engelbrad

 Hey Shag, hope you are feeling better!  Several years ago my wife and I both got fllu shots and became deathly ill.  I waited a few years then began getting them again with no ill effects.  She however, being so much younger, still will not get a shot, lol.  I however have reached the old age of 65 where I must do all I can to remain healthy.  I know you are a little younger, so do what is best for you.

I do hope you rebound quickly.....6 

shagstar
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 @Recon6  @hjw1dr  @StormR  @majrod  @engelbrad

 here's a classic,,,,,http://youtu.be/xIraCchPDhk

shagstar
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 @Recon6  @hjw1dr  @StormR  @majrod  @engelbrad 

this is nice to hear,,http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=32718

shagstar
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 @Recon6  @hjw1dr  @StormR  @majrod  @engelbrad 

had my soup last night and,after the Army ordered me to have a Swine Flu vaccination in 75 (it damn near killed me),,i won't go near those shots anymore!

Recon6
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 @StormR  @shagstar  @majrod  @engelbrad

 Stormy, it's not an individual 'hate' of the military, it is a "generalization" of the politics of the Left Party, they tend to push policies unfavorable to us.

I read a published article yesterday advocating a complete redo of military pay, as comparable civvie jobs receive $5400 less!!  Suggests military retirees of 20 years wait till they are 60 to get retirement pay, wtf?

I raalize it is an op ed, but it illustrates the mind set.  Further, it proves there are still people out there who have No idea of what our Military goes thru, i.e.  24/7/365 and Combat!!  Just sickening.....6

Recon6
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 @shagstar  @hjw1dr  @StormR  @majrod  @engelbrad

 Hey brother, I finally gave in a few years ago and got a Flu Shot!  It works for me, if not flu, then I use 'Airborne' cold meds, seems they help,

Sorry to hear you are down. as they say, "rest, fluids, and Chicken Soup"

Best wishes for a quick recovery....6

Recon6
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 @StormR  @hjw1dr  @shagstar  @majrod  @engelbrad

 Stormy, this has been the most disgusting election I have witnessed.  Once it is over, no matter who wins, it becomes my fervent hope they can work together to get America back on Her feet.  The problem is I don't see that happening, Reid already said if Romney wins, the Dems "will not" work with him!!

Working together is our Only Hope.....6

shagstar
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 @Recon6  @hjw1dr  @StormR  @majrod  @engelbrad 

roger that!  i'm gonna keep the faith!  just wish this flu would cut me some slack and quit draining my fluids,,i look like,,dead prune walking!!

Recon6
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 @shagstar  @hjw1dr  @StormR  @majrod  @engelbrad

 Shag, I actually have family members who don't vote, tried hard to convince them but some people just 'don't get it'   Hope it is a Great Day for America.....6

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 @hjw1dr  @shagstar  @StormR  @Recon6  @majrod  @engelbrad 

 

"Maybe one of the things that all Americans have in common is that we like to argue"

David Brooks recently wrote something along those lines.  Said argument is 'the animating principle' of America's success; the thing that keeps us on the right path. Think you might like it:

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/26/opinion/brooks-what-moderation-means.html?_r=0

 

hjw1dr
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 @shagstar  @StormR  @Recon6  @majrod  @engelbrad 

I've said this to both liberals and conservatives:

"As people, and as Americans, we actually have far more in common than we have differences."

And guess what ...

When I said that, my liberal friends said,"you're so wrong! Differences matter! We have to understand minorities!"  

My uber-conservative friends said, "You're wrong! We are becoming different. I don't even recognize America anymore! People no longer want to take care of themselves, they only think of what they can get out of the system!"

 

Strange, but neither group listens to the point of I try to make. Maybe one of the things that all Americans have in common is that we like to argue who we are. :)

 

 

shagstar
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 @hjw1dr  @StormR  @Recon6  @majrod  @engelbrad http://youtu.be/-yhXyBbPvMQ

 

shagstar
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 @hjw1dr  @StormR  @Recon6  @majrod  @engelbrad 

and that's the saddest part of it all,,lines have been drawn like we are rooting for our favorite football team!  all i want is a real person in office who knows how to check his bullshit at the door!  this is serious crap and not some stupid game after all.

StormR
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 @hjw1dr  @Recon6  @shagstar  @majrod  @engelbrad

 "The left side said they'd abolish poverty.  The right wing said they'd abolish bureaucracy.  Odin said he'd abolish Ice Giants.  Where are the Ice Giants?"

 

I should have started a write-in campaign for Odin  :(

hjw1dr
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 @StormR  @Recon6  @shagstar  @majrod  @engelbrad Agree on the poisoning of politics. I'm not a liberal "libtard" nor am I a Conservative "Neanderthal." I do believe in common sense however. Unfortunately, when party lines are drawn, common sense seems to go out the window. On both sides ... accusations

I just hope some of those elected tomorrow will rediscover common sense... but I'm not hopeful about that.  The lines are drawn, no matter who is elected.

StormR
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 @Recon6  @shagstar  @majrod  @engelbrad  I'm a libtard and I don't hate the military...and I don't personally know anyone who does.  About the only thing I'm hating right now is the gd election and how it is polarizing people into us vs. them.  I will be so glad it's over...I pray that some healing will happen and we'll stop painting each other as the 'enemy' and remember who the real enemies are.  Honestly, I just don't know how much more anger and hatred I can take.

 

shagstar
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 @Recon6  @majrod  @engelbrad 

the crap never stops!   http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/265925-gop-senators-thousands-of-ballots-unlikely-to-reach-military-voters

shagstar
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 @Recon6  @majrod  @engelbrad 

hell,,libtard's hate everything including themselves! every time they get what they want,,they always find a way to screw it up and blame everyone else!  but,,i have always believed in term limits and reduction in their salary's including their never ending benefits they upgrade on a daily basis!  friggin shitbirds!  

Recon6
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 @shagstar  @majrod  @engelbrad

 Shag, this is what is frightening about this administration, Libs are anti-military by nature.  As mentioned, cut the benefits/salary of Congress First!  They are All overpaid anyway, especially when considering how little time they 'actually' spend Working...Term Limits.....6

shagstar
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 @majrod  @engelbrad 

that is why we need veterans in office and not lawyers or business types!

if romney wins,,he had better fill his dod positions with vets including state and the doj.

majrod
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 @shagstar   Yeah, it's a pet peeve of mine.  If you look at the link you shared and the DBA's proposals it burns me to no end when they compare military service with federal or private employment.  Even the most cushy job in the military accepts certain facets of military life that civilain counterparts do not and the majority of positions inthe military can't be compared to their civilian counterpart.  An effing shame and symptomatic of how America has lost touch with what military service is actually like.

 

 

@engelbrad

 

shagstar
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 @majrod  @engelbrad 

defense and business do not belong in the same sentence when it concerns our military. keep the friggin lawyers and civilian academics out of it!  

IMO 

shagstar
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 @engelbrad  @shagstar 

i got the flu bug last night and it is stomping my innard's out today!!

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