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Daren Sorenson F15E Pilot Talks CAS And The Benghazi Attack

by Quin · November 21, 2012 · Posted In: SOFREP Radio
Daren Sorenson F15E Pilot Talks CAS And Benghazi

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Special guest Daren Sorenson, an 18 yr Air Force Veteran and F15E pilot. Don’t miss this interview as Daren shares his perspective on CAS regarding the Benghazi attack!

Later, Brandon and I get danger close to mother nature and you’ll also hear the rest of the shenanigans that happened over the weekend.

 

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Txazz
Txazz 5pts

F-22 in Pearl Harbor event scrapes tail on landing

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57558028/f-22-in-pearl-harbor-event-scrapes-tail-on-landing/

 

dm8471
dm8471 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I'd like to see Mr. Sorenson debate Rachel Maddow on this issue:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrwwtq8gnww

Chairborne Commandos Radio
Chairborne Commandos Radio 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @dm8471 Rachel Maddow = weaker than circus lemonade. 

dm8471
dm8471 5pts

 @Chairborne Commandos Radio Bahahahahaha no doubt. Please tell me you agree that she looks like an adult Justin Bieber.

majrod
majrod 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

Enjoyed Daren Sorenson's commentary especially about the F22.  It reinforced much of what I already believe.  So many armchair "experts" ding new equipment with ZERO experience.  Saw it with the M1, Bradley and A10. 

 

I would like to have heard more on CAS but his points on the deterence effect of a low altitude flyby is on point.   The enemy couldn't be sure that we wouldn't drop a 2000lb JDAM in a neighborhood and that deterence may have been enough to cause those terrorists to withdraw or not set up a mortar.

 

I also liked his discussion about becoming a pilot though those with perfect vision and that pass the flight physical have a bit of an unrealistic grasp on what avergae people are like.  He makes it sound that desire will overcome any obstacle.  It's simply not true.  There is A LOT to be said of luck in fact somethimes it's better to be lucky than good..

 

As unrelated as the pilot banter was this story I found about an alleged  poor rotation through the training center in Germany by a conventional unit. 

 

Here's the report http://www.foreignpolicy.com/files/fp_uploaded_documents/121121_2CR_JMRC_13_01_Collection_Report1.pdf

 

Here's the discussion started by Ricks (who's no friend of the military IMO)  http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/11/21/a_worrisome_report_on_the_eroded_combat_skills_of_an_army_stryker_regiment

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @majrod As a former AWACS weenie, we dealt with all kinds of fighter jocks.  10's 16's, 15's... the odd 18 or 14.  Yeah there were a few that thought they were special, but in all honesty, most of those dudes were good people.  You can't wave your arms in a fighter squadron without hitting 20 academy grads, so there's that... but once these guys get feet dry, they're smart enough to figure out what's what. 

 

Mostly good dudes, and amazing pilots.  I love 'em.  when that canopy closes and they're on O2 pulling 3 g's, they're as professional as it gets.  No nonsense and steel on target.

jrexilius
jrexilius moderator 5pts

 @Tango9 Indeed, the U-2 and SR pilots I worked with were really mature, solid guys.  A friend of mine who is an F-22 pilot is awfully humble despite having cause to think he's the coolest guy around.  There are a few that belong in the movie "Top Gun" but not as many as you'd think.

 

SEAN SPOONTS
SEAN SPOONTS 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

@majrod Concur on the wrong headedness of criticism of new weapons systems. I was in High School when the A-10 was in the 'pipe.' And I lived in Washington DC so the pig fight over the A-10 was in the news constantly. It was too slow, it was too low, it would never survive the modern battlefield...blah blah blah. Fast forward 5 years. I'm in the Navy and we're in a briefing on US and Soviet aircraft comparisons. The briefer holds up a grainy photo of an A-10 going vertical, the pic is grainy, black and white and shows the plane in the look down configuration. The guy goes on about the plane and what it can do and asks for any questions. A guy raises his hand and asks why the photo is so grainy and poorly focused. The briefer tells us that the photo of the A-10 was taken by the Soviets using a long telephoto lense while the plane was training in Germany. Apparently the Soviets used this exact picture to brief their own tank crews calling it the "Cross of Death." They told their tank crews that if they looked out of their periscope and saw an A-10 in the vertical like this they had about 15 seconds to live because that Warthog was going to roll out on top and hose them with that Avenger cannon. If that is what the Russians were telling their people about the A-10 I didn't care much about the uninformed beancounting protests of Congressmen. As for the F-22 there is no plane that hits the inventory without bugs and kinks. It takes years to work them out. All the guys flying around in CH-46's right now in relative safety are doing so because the Aircrews of my generation in the military died in the crashes that debugged those helicopters. That's just how it works. The F-22 will have bugs, people will die in crashes, the planes will get better and better and when and if it ever goes into combat it will save lives of our pilots and be lethal to enemy planes and their pilots.

jrexilius
jrexilius moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @SEAN SPOONTS  @majrod  I've always said that when I die, I want to come back as an A-10.  That plane is pure flying death. Being USAF, I love the sound of flights over head, but the distinct sound of the A-10 and the burp of that cannon just makes me giddy.  And I want to find and strangle the bean counters that made the decision to retire it.. what 13-14 years ago?..

 

majrod
majrod 5pts

 @jrexilius  Just this summer the USAF proposed mothballing 30% of the A10 fleet (five of six squadrons are in the Guard) and mothballing the brand new C27J which does intratheatre lift.

 

 @SEAN SPOONTS

 

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @SEAN SPOONTS  @majrod Brother that is an awesome perspective.  All us wingnuts know that that cannon with wings is the best goddam piece of air we've ever put into the sky.  I have stories.  A couple. 

Recon6
Recon6 moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Tango9  @SEAN SPOONTS  9, agree on the Hog, however,

there is another piece of flying junk you left out that saved our asses more

than once = Spooky !!  Perhaps a "dual trophy", one for each.  Awesome

aircraft that save lives, Wow.....6

SEAN SPOONTS
SEAN SPOONTS 5pts

@Tango9 @majrod I bet you do.

Txazz
Txazz 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Excellent Interview with Daren request more in the future - a book would be great. What better legacy for your children (ty BW). Grew up by an AFB and who doesn't love jets. He expresses himself well.  Wish he would have talked more about actual CAS ops.  Yeah, good old war stories.  Guess Sofrep has me spoiled.

 

Of special interest was his comments on possible CAS at Benghazi.  Yep in my minds eye I could envision it.  Still don't understand why that decision wasn't made to 'save the day' if only  'they' had stopped playing politics.

 

This is an oldie but, goodie and in line with Benghazi question: It never never gets old.

Brig. Gen. Steve Ritchie and Rescue of Roger Locher

http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42816

LauraWalkerKC
LauraWalkerKC 5pts

@JefferyBallard @SOFREP roger that.

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