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Home » USASOC » Interview with former Delta Commander, Dalton Fury

Interview with former Delta Commander, Dalton Fury

by Jack Murphy · February 12, 2012 · Posted In: USASOC
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Guns.com recently conducted an interview with former Delta Force commander Dalton Fury, who is also the author of the book Kill Bin Laden.  Dalton Fury (a pseudonym) also has a novel recently out called Black Site, which I’ve already pre-ordered and am very much looking forward to reading.  In the meantime, enjoy this interview from Guns.com.  Dalton does a great job at dispelling some of the myths that inevitably surround Tier-One units such as Delta.

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Jeffrey Denning: When you were in Delta Force, were any of your friends and neighbors aware of what you did for a living? If not, how difficult was it to live, in essence, a double life? And while you’re at home, do your neighbors know what you do for a living, or do they just assume you’re in one of the SF Groups at Bragg?

Dalton Fury:

It’s ridiculous to think that you can serve in a Tier 1 unit like Delta or ST6 and not have friends that know you are there. Your buddies before you were selected typically remain your buddies even when your name is removed from the Army’s official roles to operationally protect your identity. It’s just not that big of a deal and your friends are usually supportive and happy for you.

Dalton Fury with a fellow operator in Baghdad

Balancing profession and family is no different in Delta than any other unit in the military. You may have been first through the breach on a target in Fallujah 24 hours ago and took the million dollar shot, and now staring at a stack of bills that need to be paid, worrying about the leak in the roof, while struggling to check 6th grade math homework. It’s this normalcy, the innate human desire to simply be a good husband and father, not wanting to let your family down just as much as your teammates – that keeps things in perspective.

Very rarely does the neighborhood know a Delta operator lives nearby. Operator families typically keep together and are resistant to outsiders simply as an operational matter. Hard to keep the secret at a backyard barbeque or game of poker with neighbors. Unit members, including their spouses, are trained in specific techniques to conceal membership in Delta. It usually starts with changing the subject. Operators don’t wear military uniforms at home, don’t advertise their military service on their truck bumpers, license plates, Facebook, or in the flower beds, and are generally just considered private citizens who simply shun block parties. They aren’t necessarily rude introverts by nature, but bottom line, regardless of the nosey neighbor, your best line of defense is to never leave your cover story.

JD: Since there’s not a lot known about what specific advanced training Delta operators go through, some have asked you if you receive training that teaches you how to control your nervous system and like reactions? Is that even possible? And will you describe how your innate physical and physiological makeup impact the way you process emotion? Are you, at the height of your abilities, very dialed into your feelings? Somewhat?

I never received any training in how to control my nervous system and reactions. I was born with that, as was everyone else in Delta. Like in any profession, some guys are more Jack Bauer and Jason Bourne than others. Some are better working near teammates; some are more comfortable operating alone. We get nervous and we react, just like every other human being. I wouldn’t characterize any of us as being dialed in to our feelings, rather, dialed in to our commitment to the nation and to each other. Emotions on target are dangerous. When your buddy drops like a rag doll next to you, uncontrolled emotions can compromise the mission, put the rest of the force at greater risk, and potentially create an international incident. There are no special emotions instructors at Delta, but there is a tried and true, very-unique selection and assessment process that is historically very accurate about the type of guy that will enter Delta’s ranks.

Read the rest of the interview over at Gun.com!

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Brent Okuley
Brent Okuley 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Like DarkForce said I also thought that Haney painted the home life perfectly on the Unit after reading this. Was a fun show. Good interview here. I read the rest of it over at Gun.com and really enjoyed it. Consequently I think I'll be looking to pick up his concealed carry holster.

SEAN SPOONTS
SEAN SPOONTS 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

facinating read..

katgirl231
katgirl231 5pts

 @SEAN SPOONTS Have you guys seen David Mamet's 2004 film "Spartan?"  The tech adviser was Haney.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartan_%28film%29

McPosterdoor
McPosterdoor 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

YEAH! that side mounted shotgun is Bad@$$. "Man, we should have shotguns for this deal." - Samuel L. Jackson, Pulp Fiction

katgirl231
katgirl231 5pts

 @McPosterdoor I just realized my old M1 Super 90 is so darned long that I'd have to have a horse scabbard for it - rats.

LCpl X
LCpl X 5pts

@McPosterdoor

Remember Omar from 'the Wire'? I think that's the same shotgun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmtuRRhtGQw (Omar's Coming Yo!)

BPISecurity
BPISecurity 5pts

At the end of the day you will never please everyone. I am facing that with my blog, but as long as you can look at yourself and say I did the right thing who gives a rats @$$ what someone else thinks. Keep up the good work Jack and Brandon.

Raven Team Airsoft
Raven Team Airsoft 5pts

@BPISecurity hey Eric, do you have the inside scoop on Whitney Houston?

BPISecurity
BPISecurity 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I don't think BW or Jack wants this noble page marred with this. Too funny

BPISecurity
BPISecurity 5pts

@JackMurphyRGR I don't have the shot flipping back on safety-straight finger

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@BPISecurity Haha!!! We don't really do Hollywood gossip but, well, smoke 'em if you got 'em I guess!

BrandonWebb
BrandonWebb moderator 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Great interview Jack. I just spoke to St. Martin's about getting Dalton as a contributor on SOFREP. Hit him up with a double tap...

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@BrandonWebb I already did, just yesterday actually.

DarkForce
DarkForce 5pts

So Eric Haney's "the Unit" is pretty spot on, the whole suburban feel to being home, even some extra-marital affair with a field grade officer thrown in and sticking to your cover story, "I'm just a supply sergeant".

As for nervous system training, when Aldrich Ames requested some "nervous system training" to beat the box from his handlers, they told him just relax, I took that to mean, there's no such thing as "nervous system training", just relax.

This guy was "outed" over at Professional Soldiers when his book came out. Everyone already knows who he is. SF is a tough crowd.

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Beating a lie detector test is pretty straight forward, you just have to screw with the baseline questions where they try to catch you in a lie.

As far as being "outed", it goes back to the conversation on a previous thread. There is an Old Guard out there that is going to ostracize anyone who writes a book, not matter how redacted it is. The thing is, there are no gatekeepers today so it's an obsolete model to think that there will be no public engagement.

katgirl231
katgirl231 5pts

 @JackMurphyRGR wow, you aren't kidding.  Prof. Soldiers is one tough crowd.  I'm registered but haven't been there awhile.

DarkForce
DarkForce 5pts

@JackMurphyRGR John F. Sullivan himself said you don't want to get cute with the box, know your story, stick to your story and relax is also Mr. Sullivan's advise. Question, answer, relax.

katgirl231
katgirl231 5pts

Being a defense contractor, I worked nearly everywhere and the best work I ever got to do was at SAIC.  Most of what I did required the 18yr investigation and was going to work on a no-such-agency project which would have completed the acronym projects I've done.  I was really nervous about the poly, not because I ever did anything bad, but I'm the kind who feels guilty about everything (in Jr High, I was always accused of things I didn't do because I'd look guilty yeech).  Turns out that some of their projects didn't require it, and mine was a pretty low-level sigint algorithm design whew.  Poly-phobia and nothing more.  Their needles would have looked like a seizure EEG! (I know the gain can be thresholded fyi)  I always wanted to make one just to get over my unreasonable fear of it.

not a Polygrapher
not a Polygrapher 5pts

@BPISecurity

From what I heard it's only good for hot co'eds and grad students trying to apply into one of the ABC agencies or gov't contractors like SAIC, NG, Boeing, etc.

Sorority girls, party chicks, who matured along the way and got into Int'l Affairs, policy and political science. But have a very sexual past. So they apply, need a clearance, and life style poly is a hoot.

Lurid tales of depravity, legal drugs and the internet.

I think Dana Priest's 'Top Secret America', has fun with the polygraph and stands by with the process because of all the fun stories they are garnering from these meetings.

BPISecurity
BPISecurity 5pts

I did years of background investigations in my previous life and during that time the polygrapher would take three reading, respiratory, heart and GSR (Galvanic skin response). The theory is that you can not conrol all three responses to stimuli. The baseline questions were supposed to get a "baseline reading" then the subsequent questions would come from a pooi of relevant queries into the case or investigation. The problem is that we all respond differently depending on the question. Let's say, if you respond along an adequate spectrum towards truthfulness and then he pops a questions like, "Did you mother work as a hooker?" All of our responses would be crazy.

Even seasoned polygraphers have issue with a polygraph

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts

I agree in as far as to say that you are trying to spoof the interviewer rather than the polygraph. It's all old hat today though. An industrial psychologist told me how certain corporations and governmental agencies now use fMRI machines as lie detectors. I wrote about it in my novel actually. Yes, the fMRI can also be spoofed...

its all bs
its all bs 5pts

@JackMurphyRGR

the polygraph/interviewer relationship is classic good cop/ bad cop routine.

polygraph is the bad cop (you're lying!!!), interviewer is the good cop (everyone lies, i understand, tell me more...).

the interviewer is the one soliciting information, the polygraph machine is just a prop.

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