ST6 Rescues Hostage Held by Taliban, One Friendly KIA

 @SEAL76  @ChupaCabra  @Txazz Sure, but they have nukes so we need to keep involved.  This being said the aid model is really dirty whether it is directly from govt. or from NGOs.  Then you have the issue of the IMF and World Bank, which are more concerned with controlling via debt than helping.

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/03/01/most_us_aid_to_pakistan_still_in_america_s_hands

So I agree with you as per liberally handing out any kind of aid, but  how and why it is done often does not match the reasons given.  If you want to take it to another example - look at Afghanistan.  Lot's of money spent on building the country's economy, but where did it all go?  A lot went into beltway pockets.

 @Txazz  @JackMurphyRGR  @ChupaCabra Not only did they get out, but we greatly reduced the number of diplomats and other civilians left in the Green Zone. If we were really smart, we will have stopped building the consulate down in Basra. Note that our influence is so great that Iran continues to fly guns and special troops over Iraq and into Syria.

@JackMurphyRGR@Txazz@ChupaCabra The plan was that he would gather DNA when vaccinating the people. UBL's compound rejected his offer so he contributed nothing. However, he cooperated with the CIA and that is enough for the Paks and their ISI. According to the book and the movie, the analyst was already convinced that he was there - a very tall guy walking around an unusual compound which the courier drove into.

 @ChupaCabra  @Txazz It depends what is being paid for, but when you just hand out cash anything you get is short-term no different than paying a hooker.  If you're just getting a piece of information then fine, but if you want something longer-term then all parties have to have skin in the game.  In this way when something works everyone wins and when it doesn't everyone loses.  As for the lion's share going to the top happens on both sides - chieftain or big contractor - the little people so to speak get fucked and stability doesn't come.  There are ways of doing what you hint at, but AID, state and Congress would need to be gutted - at a minimum whatever the focus is you need a central competent authority running the show making sure efforts are in unison (even if different) working towards a common goal.

 @ChupaCabra  @JackMurphyRGR I can agree with you  there Wingman but, all the under cover, over cover, in and out of the covers, it plays out that way since time eternal.

 @JackMurphyRGR  @ChupaCabraI was happy to see us leave Iraq but, had great concern over the small units of American they left behind.  I haven't read if they all finally left or not.

 @ChupaCabra  @Txazz And if it saved the lives of American soldiers by allowing us to quickly withdraw?

 @ChupaCabra  @Txazz We got something.  We got to save face instead of being dealt a crushing defeat by third world insurgents running around with rusty AK-47's which would create a "Vietnam Syndrome" within America for generations.

 @Txazz  @ChupaCabra Another sham.  That Doctor had very little liability, if any, in fingering OBL.  He may very well have had nothing to do with it at all.  More smoke and mirrors.

 @Txazz I'm under the impression that if they really wanted to get that doctor out of the country to protect and award him for his supposed contribution, they could have done it before he was arrested, since he was captured days after the raid.

 @JackMurphyRGR  Thank you for clarifying.

 @Tweeder Because we are winning the war of course!  They would just be pulling an outer cordon.  It is also possible they brought one Afghan commando on the mission as a way to get around the rules.  This stuff has to do with status of forces agreements signed between the US and Afghanistan.

 @JackMurphyRGR     I'm sorry if we're beating a dead horse with this one, but wouldn't you think something like an In Extremis Hostage Rescue might be something you could leave the indig behind on?

I like to THINK I get politics, but this is a Varsity Team going after an American citizen... why does that need an Afghan face

Thanks

 @JackMurphyRGR  @EliasFreire So they have limited operational capability.

 @SEAL76  @JackMurphyRGR  @EliasFreire For a 'simple' hostage rescue like this it's going to go to the guys deployed and whoever's AO it is. Delta has been operating pretty exclusively in Astan for a couple years now. When people say AO, they don't mean Astan, but whatever part of Astan it is.

For a mission like the Bin Laden raid, the unit was handpicked and rehearsed back home before shipping overseas to execute.

 @SEAL76  @EliasFreire Recon Marines never had the hostage rescue mission and neither does MARSOC, I believe their mission profile is unconventional warfare.

 @SEAL76  @JackMurphyRGR  @EliasFreire I think McRaven favors SEALs but that doesn't mean that other units were made available to the theater commander.

 @JackMurphyRGR  @EliasFreire Recon Marines were Special Operations Capabale. Didn't most of the MARSOC guys come from Recon. They should have a hostage rescue capability otherwise what is the point of MARSOC?

 @JackMurphyRGR  @EliasFreire  @SEAL76 So then all that shit that was put out about McRaven favoring SEALs because he is Navy in the case of UBL was bullshit. Thank God you cleared that up. I think he sent the SEALs to get the Doc because they have a really great track record.

 @LauraKinCA  mail sent

 @majrod

 I added it again. When you note it down, let me know and send me an email.

 @LauraKinCA  

 I'm late and confused.

 @LauraKinCA  @majrod

 sent it.

 @IS1FiveO  @majrod

 Great. Email me. I have a quick request you can help with. You too Maj if you copied it down.

 @LauraKinCA  @majrod

 Good copy on the email.  Thanks.

 @LauraKinCA  @majrod

 roger that.

 @IS1FiveO  @majrod

 I wil change my profile so you can get an email to stay in contact. When you have it let me know and I will change it back.

 @LauraKinCA  @majrod

 wow!  Seems like the stars ARE lining up.  I'll look into it at work.  Thanks for the invite.

 @shagstar  @IS1FiveO   Oh gawd, there IS a video somewhere.  Dang camera phones....

 @IS1FiveO  @majrod

 Well, hopefully lucky us. It is in Colorado Springs, weekend of June 15-16. Really hope you can arrange things to join us.

 @LauraKinCA  @majrod

 If the stars lined up, I'd go.  I might need to go to Colorado Springs sometime this year.  Could work.

 @IS1FiveO  @StormR 

i wanna see the video!  lol

 @IS1FiveO  @StormR 

i believe she is in line for a water/beer torture moment!

 @shagstar  @StormR

 I'd drink a four day hangover worth of beer to hear the jello shot story.

 @StormR  @IS1FiveO 

only,,,after you swill a 6 pack,,,then,,the interrogation begins!

 @StormR  @shagstar

 HAHAHAHA!!!!  I MUST hear that one!  Feel free to embelish and make it jello wrestling with four warriors.

 @shagstar  @IS1FiveO "and,,just imagine what could have happened if you drank a whole 6 pack?? "   An instant nap and a four-day hangover.   Someday when we're sitting around a kitchen table, ask me about jello shots and 4 young warriors back from war :)  

 @StormR  @IS1FiveO 

and,,just imagine what could have happened if you drank a whole 6 pack??

 @shagstar  @IS1FiveO  At a reception for the 16th CAB on Friday night, I only had 1/2 beer and almost had the Lt. Col. talked into giving me a ride on a helicopter.  Bet if I had drank a whole beer, I would have been flying on Saturday :)

 @IS1FiveO  @StormR 

and,,just 1 beer please!

 @StormR  @shagstar

 Its all about pacing oneself.  The jouney of a thousand miles begins with one step. HAHA.

 @StormR  @IS1FiveO 

i just love hypocrites!!  lmao Stormy  only 1 beer please

 @majrod It was on CBS evening news - 6:00 pm Pacific time. 

 @StormR  Hmmm, sounds reasonable.  when they start talking about the time of day, how many helos etc. we'll be in spiking the football mode.  I hope it doesn't come to that.

Thanks for sharing.  Any links would be helpful. 

 @IS1FiveO  @shagstar   IS1FiveO - I agree completely!  I love good, far-ranging conversation.   I'm a lightweight drinker, so if I drink more than 1-1/2 beers...well, lets just say that I'm fearless :)   Sigh..I do so love cold beer, so it's a shame.

 @IS1FiveO      @majrod 

 Speaking of sitting around a table and shooting the breeze with friends, we are planning a SOFREP meet up in June in CO if you guys want to come. If interested I can get you info. Slowly trying to get the word out to group at large to see who is interested.

 @majrod They went into the reasons why General Allen sent the team in, where the site was located, how close it was to the Pakistan border, how many Taliban were killed, and specifics about how the SEAL died.

 @shagstar  @StormR

 Conversation is becoming a lost art.  I can't think of anything better than sitting with good people and having good conversation.  The beer part is good too.

 @StormR What operational details besides it was ST6?

 @IS1FiveO  @StormR 

and when the beer stops flowing?  create another world!  lol

 @dmalert  @IS1FiveO  That's just about my favorite thing to do in the whole world :)   

 @IS1FiveO  @StormR Amen to that!

 @StormR

Ha!  I've solved all of the worlds problems multiple times sitting around a kitchen table drinking beer with friends.

 @IS1FiveO  Sigh...see that's what I hate about words on a screen, instead of sitting around a kitchen table with a cup of coffee or a cold beer - I can't 'hear' the tone...and I do so appreciate a good snark :) :) 

 @StormR

 Yeah, I was kind of being sarcastic.  The genie is out of the bottle on that one.  Once the media finds something that gets ratings, they go with it forever.  If it bleeds, it leads.

@majrod The wait shouldn't be too much longer on Benghazi. The State Dept's report is almost done, and Hillary will actually testify. I don't hold out much faith in accountability coming from State's investigation, but some on the Hill are still calling for a "Watergate-like" hearing open to the public.

 @IS1FiveO  @majrod 

aint ever gonna happen unfortunately! 

 @majrod  @shagstar

 Now that the media has tasted blood, they will always be hunting for it.  They will get their leaks and operational details.  The issue for me is getting the senior leadership to stop the institutionalized leaks...and keep their own mouths shut.

 @majrod 

i would venture to say,,wee bit peer pressure/gun!  lol

 @shagstar  NP.  What was the pressure/gun?

 @majrod 

thank you

 @shagstar Huh?  What's there to say?  The raid isn't 72 hours old so info might still break.  When ST6 took down the Maersk pirates and Bin Laden we had all kinds of sexy details and how the decision was OK'd by the President.  This one seems to be a Gen Allen decision.  Is someone learning?  IMO it's too early to tell. 

I think the military sure has.  We got seven SEALs that were spanked for working with a video game.    Maybe it was worth spanking those guys after all? 

I'm still waiting for that OPSEC investigation and movement on Benghazi...  I just hope it doesn't take as long as the next time Army beats Navy in football.