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Home » SOF History » Remembering MSG Roy Benavidez

Remembering MSG Roy Benavidez

by Mike Perry · January 6, 2013 · Posted In: SOF History
Remembering Roy Benavidez
As much as the pain in his crippled body, the constant barrage of criticism at America’s involvement in Vietnam swelled the anger within his soul. On a daily basis he watched as the nightly news showed film of the American flag being burned, while he thought of those brave men he knew that were heading out for yet another mission on behalf of that flag. Each and every one willing to sacrifice it all and without complaint to serve their country.

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He was one of them, or if the doctor’s diagnoses proved correct, once was.

Roy Benavidez’s war was over. Born in 1935, the stocky Texan of Mexican/Yaqui Indian descent, who had dropped out of school at 15 to help support his family, enlisted in the Army National Guard, then active Army and joined the fledgling Special Forces, now found his career and almost his life, torn apart. In 1965, while serving as an advisor to the ARVN (Army Republic of Vietnam), he stepped on a land mine. The explosion shredded his legs, leaving them useless.

After evacuation to the U.S., he lay in a ward at Brook Army Medical Center contemplating what doctors told him. He would never walk again, and must be medically discharged from the service he loved.

He would not let that happen.

For months while recovering with other wounded who were paralyzed or missing limbs, Benavidez eased himself out of bed after dark, and pulled himself with elbows and chin across the cold floor to a wall near his bed, where he would try to prop himself up unaided.

To the encouraging words of those watching him, the ritual, which often left him in tears from the unbearable pain, began to pay off. It started when he was able to wiggle his toes, then his feet. Afterwards, with a determination few men possess, he pushed with all his might the few feet up that wall. It felt like miles to climb.

It was slow, tedious, and pure hell, but as judgment day neared for his medical discharge, there he stood. Sometimes he got caught, of course, chewed out and forced back into bed, but that did not stop him. He succeeded when he should not have, and without delay forced himself to take those first steps

“Faith, determination and a positive attitude will take you farther than any ability. You can do it,” he remembered being told while in the Special Forces.

The day arrived when he had to prove it. Nine months had passed since the doctor stood in front of his bed ready to end his service.

Benavidez told the doctor he could stand.

“Sergeant I’m sorry, even if you’re able to stand up, you’ll never be able to walk.”

Benavidez rose from that bed and stood straight, pain bringing him to tears, and took short steps toward the man.

Impressed, the doctor offered: “Benavidez, if you can walk out of this room, I’ll tear up your discharge papers.”

Benavidez walked out of that room, and soon enough, out of the center itself, to head back to Fort Bragg and continue his therapy.

Despite the constant pain in his body, he trained and persevered to the point that he was well enough to receive assignment to Special Forces detachment B-56 and deploy to Vietnam in January 1968.

Running support missions for the elite Studies and Observation Group (SOG), Benavidez found himself back in his element, running constant patrols and more often than not, making contact with the enemy. Then after being in country less than four months, the day of May 2nd began. A moment in time that would forever change his life, and cause a future President of the United States to say, “If the story of his heroism were a movie script, you would not believe it.”

That morning at his base in Quan Loi, Benavidez watched choppers lift off carrying a 12-man SOG reconnaissance team to insert just across the Cambodian border, some 75 miles northwest of Saigon. The team consisted of three Americans and nine Nung indigenous troops. Their mission was to determine if enemy units used in the January 31st Tet offensive had retreated back across into their sanctuaries.

Not long after landing, the team made contact. They managed to shoot their way clear but came upon another enemy unit as they made their way back to be extracted. Another intense fight erupted just before the team reached the landing zone, and again they broke through. Once at the LZ, the NVA hit them in much greater strength, AK-47 rounds ripped into the team, while RPG and mortars shells exploded around them.

The American team leader fell dead, shot in the head, as well as half the Nungs. The rest of the team was wounded with some having been shot several times. Rescue choppers were driven away riddled with holes. A gunship was shot down.

Quan Loi’s radio room crackled with the team repeatedly pleading for help. They were about to be overrun.

“For God’s sakes, get us out of here!”

Benavidez was one of several listening to the pleas. He grew more upset by the minute as he realized no help was coming. Someone called for a volunteer to make one last attempt. Roy presented himself at once, and a Huey soon raced toward the trapped men.

In his haste to volunteer though, he soon realized he had left his M-16 and was armed only with a pocket knife.

Back at the LZ, what was left of the team prepared for the end when they heard the familiar chop of another Huey. As the helicopter hovered for a second, they saw a lone individual in the doorway making signs of the cross, throw a bag then rappel down into the jungle about a hundred yards away.

Benavidez picked up his medic bag and sprinted through the brush. Automatic weapons fire nipped at him from all sides, hitting him in the right leg. He stumbled, but kept running until he reached the decimated team. Gunfire still swarmed about him as he began bandaging wounds and injecting morphine, in addition to passing out more ammunition and offering encouraging words.

He picked up a rifle, got on the radio and called in airstrikes to relieve some of the fire, but it still shredded the air and ground about him, as intense as ever.

Another round tore into his right thigh as he called for another Huey. He threw a smoke grenade and continued exchanging fire with muzzle flashes in the jungle.

When the Huey came in he handed off his weapon and pulled a team member toward the chopper, when a round tore into his lungs, wounding him a third time. Almost unconscious, he fell to the ground then raised up looking for the chopper. It now lay on its side with 2 crew members dead.

He struggled up onto his feet, made his way to the aircraft and pulled survivors free before he was shot two more times.

He still did not stop.

Shrapnel tore into him as mortar rounds landed close, but he continued making his way back to the team.

Another gunship went down.

He lifted another man over his shoulder, and tried to make his way to meet a chopper coming in.

An NVA soldier pretending to be dead rose behind him screaming as he swung the butt of his weapon down upon Roy’s head, knocking him to his knees. Another swing caught him in the face. The NVA lunged him with a bayonet as he pulled his knife and took the soldier’s blade completely through the forearm. Then he slammed himself into the man driving the knife as far as he could. So far, in fact, he couldn’t pull it out.

He gathered up his wounded comrade and made it to the Huey, setting him aboard and refusing help for himself as he turned, picked up another rifle, and shot dead two more enemy.

He returned again and again, under never ending fire to bring out wounded. After that, his uniform completely stained with blood, he checked the perimeter and destroyed any item that could be of use to the enemy.

After all that, he allowed himself to be helped aboard… holding his intestines in his hands.

As he fell unconscious on the bloody floor of the chopper, his next battle was about to begin.

After they landed, someone positioned him on the side of the landing pad with dead enemy soldiers, and he felt himself being placed in a body bag with the zipper coming up.

President Reagan presenting medal of honor to Sergeant Roy Benavidez

President presenting Medal of Honor to MASTER SGT Roy Benavidez (Photo courtesy: www.reagan.utexas.edu)

“Stop. That’s Roy Benavidez!” someone shouted.

“Sorry, but there’s nothing I can do for him,” a doctor said.

The zipper started back up, then stopped.

Roy’s hand pushed through.

With all of his might, Roy made a final effort to live. Unable to speak, he sent a load of bloody spit onto the doctors face.

A little while later he was loaded onto a helicopter, only to witness one of the men he had saved die while holding his hand.

He underwent surgery and was transferred to Japan, and then to the U.S. for nearly a year’s worth of therapy. All told, Roy Benavidez had suffered seven bullet wounds, twenty eight shrapnel wounds and a bayonet wound.

When the paperwork was filed, Roy received the Distinguished Service Cross soon after and continued serving until retiring as a Master Sergeant in 1976.

In February 1981, thirteen years after his valor, and after numerous attempts to get the medal upgraded, Roy Benavidez stood before President Ronald Reagan as the Medal of Honor was finally placed around his neck.

Roy Benavidez devoted the rest of his life to visiting veterans and youth, encouraging them to get a good education.

I first heard of Roy Benavidez not long afterward when watching a television show as an eleven year old. I don’t remember any of the narrative, but I do remember what he said to a group of school children when one asked him about that fateful day.

“Did you ever feel like quitting?”

“No,” he said, “Americans don’t quit.”

Roy Benavidez passed away in 1998 from complications due to diabetes. He was 63.

Today, a navy ship and an elementary school, among other things, bear his name.

(Editor’s Note: This is our second post on MSG Benavidez. You can read our first post here. We’re in awe of Roy. ROBGB said it best: “He spoke at my high school pep rallies in the 90′s, I became a green beret 12 years later, he was my hero then and now.”)

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Minou_Demimonde
Minou_Demimonde 5pts

Thank you. Men like this are few and far between, and they always change the world. May we all remember that Americans don't quit.

deadhorse
deadhorse 5pts

I graduated High School in San Antonio in the 80s. One of my JROTC instructors, a one MSG Enrique Jimenez, also a Green Beret and a good friend of MSG Benavidez, often told those of us that would listen their stories and stories about MSG Benavidez. I was in awe then as I still am now. We need more Americans like them now, in these dire times. :fact

RIP MSG Benavidez

Buckaroomedic
Buckaroomedic 5pts

I had the honor and privilege of meeting MSG Benavidez when I was a young soldier in Panama. Must have been the Fourth of July, 1988. 

Amazing man!

bashfulbrother
bashfulbrother 5pts

I got chills reading that.

Txazz
Txazz 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

240th Assault Helicopter Company Personnel on the Benavidez Mission

 

Wo1 Larry S. McKibben KIA

SP4 Michael D. Craig KIA

SP4 Nelson E. Fournier KIA

CW2 Bill Armstrong WIA

Gary Land WIA

Robert Wessel WIA

SP5Paul 'Frenchy' La Chance

SP4 Pete Gailis

CW2 Roger Wagge (Deceased)

CW2 Gerry Ewing

CW2 Bill Darling

SP5 Tagliaferri

CW2 Louis Wilson Mad Dog 22

CW2 Jim Bowman

CW2 Will Curry

CW2 Jim Fussell

WO William Fernan

CW2 Tom Smith

SP4 Danny Clark

 

To the best of my knowledge, none of the air crews of the 240th AHC that were on this mission were ever formally recognized by the United States Army for their valorous actions on May 2, 1968. Since this page was created, CW2 Roger Wagge was posthumously awarded the Silver Star for his actions on May 2, 1968.

RVN SF VET
RVN SF VET 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

< http://240thahc.50megs.com/LZ/tribute.html > This is a tribute to MSG Roy Benavidez by the 240th Assault Helicopter Company - the men who inserted MSG Benavidez and then went back to try again and again to extract the team. These men are largely unsung heroes who received but one medal - a Silver Star for one pilot. The 240th lost 4 KIA and almost all were wounded. There were very special men fighting and flying that day. It is worth reading their tribute to MSG Benavidez who, in turn, went to thank them.

LauraKinCA
LauraKinCA 5pts

 @RVN SF VET

 I will save that to watch until tomorrow, but I wanted to thank you for posting it. I agree that those pilots were every bit the heroes, and likely more than just for that mission.

Custos_Libertatis
Custos_Libertatis 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I don't know if someone has already posted this or not but this is where I first heard about MSG Benavidez.  This story and the story of the life Col. John Ripley, and his actions at Dong Ha bridge in particular, have had more of an impact on my mindset and my responsibilities than anything I have ever heard.  

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lHkrqlT62o&list=FLyF5wJqFzDcxv4_9RxkCohg&index=92

dickftr
dickftr 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

majrod, and ALL, my Father ,1st Marine div. landed at Ichon and went N to the frozen Chozin ( as he called it).  I did all the paper to enlist him in the Purple heart assc. and he would not sign. I asked why. He said ,"they will put me and 10,000 Marine's in jail". He has PTSD. Dad's day's are numbered. Must have been HELL! God I love him, wish I could do more, don't really want to know more.

majrod
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I had the privlege of meeting MSG Benavidez at the NCO Academy named after him at the former School of the Americas.  It was an indescribable honor.

 

Interestingly it took over a decade to upgrade MSG Benavidez' DSC to an MOH even with his unbelievable exploits.  Something to consider when current MOH awards seem slow.

majrod
majrod 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

BTW the Pres announced today that former SSG Clinton Romesha, 31, of Minot, N.D., will receive the MOH Feb. 11. Romesha will be the fourth post-9/11 living recipient of the MOH.

 

Romesha’s earned the Medal of Honor for bravery after Afghan troops fled a firefight at COP Keating in eastern Nuristan province while he was serving as a section leader with Bravo Troop, 3d Squadron, 61st Cavalry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division.

 

According to the MOH citation, Romesha “took out an enemy machine gun team and, while engaging a second, the generator he was using for cover was struck by a rocket-propelled grenade, inflicting him with shrapnel wounds,”.  He kept fighting. “With complete disregard for his own safety, Romesha continually exposed himself to heavy enemy fire as he moved confidently about the battlefield, engaging and destroying multiple enemy targets, including three Taliban fighters who had breached the combat outpost’s perimeter,”

 

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/01/11/army-staff-sergeant-to-receive-moh.html?comp=7000023317828&rank=1#community

flhtse05
flhtse05 5pts

 @majrod Rod, you can read about that incident in the book "OUTPOST" by Jake Tapper.

 

RVN SF VET
RVN SF VET 5pts

 @flhtse05  @majrod Surprisingly good book with great and accurate detail. He adds context for some of the decision making. Those CAV soldiers fought like hell.

TKW406
TKW406 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

@majrod: I've honestly been waiting to see your response to this article. Your obvious respect for MSG Benavidez only adds to the article. Thanks.

LauraKinCA
LauraKinCA 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @majrod  @TKW406

 I saw your deleted comment through my email and thought it was great, so this is my virtual "like" of it.

TKW406
TKW406 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

We'll just keep it between us. Good on ya.

majrod
majrod 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

  @TKW406 tried to edit my comment and deleted it.  You know what I mean!.  LOL

TKW406
TKW406 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

@majrod: I always like to see what guys from each branch think of their own. Seems to be very telling & true. The few times I have met one of our heroes I have tripped over myself in trying to show them my gratitude. Your comment was very solid & I am in 100% agreement with you.

Alecwebpa
Alecwebpa 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

That is one hard MF.  I am putting together a mandatory reading list for my son (when he is old enough to read) and this guy's story is gonna be right up top.  I would be curious to know any other stories like this you guys would recommend. 

dickftr
dickftr 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

MSG Benavidez  I'm reminded of your story and life and my emotion is barely in control. RIP. Thank's for the writ Txazz.

John Meyer
John Meyer 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

Well done.

Thank you Mike Perry.

 

 

Danne_SWE
Danne_SWE 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Amazing man!!

AVoodooChild
AVoodooChild 5pts

I read this story a few days ago and I thought about how the story was familiar. Today  I was reading the story again  and realized it was the same story on a plaque dedicated to this man on a bldg at the Corpus Christi Army Depot. I was a young Sgt attached to CCAD at the time and how taken back at the bravery of this man and that he was from South Texas. The bldg is now a major part of the DLA complex at NAS Corpus Christi, TX. This plaque told a brief story which seems the same as the one on SOFREP. It was about a Texan with Hisapanic descent from the Valley area of South Texas. Maybe some one out there knows more about this.

Something different but American.......

FYI:     http://www.alpri.org/index.htm

 

Txazz
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So that others may live . . . .    Battle of Roberts Ridge.

First Pararescue Jumper KIA in A-stan since RVN

 

Senior Airman Jason D. Cunningham, 26 – Camarillo, California –

38th Rescue Squadron, Cunningham was shot and wounded on Takur Ghar mountain in eastern Afghanistan during Operation Anaconda on March 4, 2002. He died while waiting to be evacuated. He was posthumously awarded the Air Force Cross, the nation’s second highest military honor for valor, for his efforts to treat the wounded awaiting evacuation off the mountain. Despite being mortally wounded, he saved 10 lives and made it possible for seven others who were killed to come home.

 

Please Don't stand and Weep

Those men I had to save

Not because of Courage

or because I'm Brave

Not because of Orders

or because it was my Dream

I did it for my Brothers

I did it for the Team

So Please Don't weep for me

for all I had to give

I did it for a reason

"So That Others May Live"

Written by Jason's brother-in-law Jared Marquis

 

http://militarytimes.com/valor/air-force-senior-airman-jason-d-cunningham/262885

"- Love hath no other than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."

 

U.S. casualties

USN SEALs: PO1 Neil "Fifi" C. Roberts, born 1970, Woodland, California

USAF COMBAT CONTROL: TSgt John A. Chapman, born 1965, Springfield, Massachusetts

USAF PARARESCUE: SrA Jason D. Cunningham, born 1975, Carlsbad, New Mexico

USA RANGERS: PFC Matthew A. Commons, born 1981, Boulder City, Nevada

SGT Bradley S. Crose, born 1980, Orange Park, Florida

SPC Marc A. Anderson, born 1972, Brandon, Florida

USA 160th SOAR: SGT Phillip "Spytech" Svitak, born 1971, Neosho, Missouri

 

None Braver - Michael Hirsch

Stories of the USAF PJ's and the men who flew them.

blkreggren
blkreggren 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

Pretty hard to wrap my mind around any of that.  

LauraKinCA
LauraKinCA 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

He really is most impressive and I never tire of hearing his story. Great detail Mike. Really made it come alive for me and of course that video really tells the tale about the kind of man he was. Thanks for the article.

Kendoist4162
Kendoist4162 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Wow. Simply. Wow.

dmalert
dmalert 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

Wow, what a story of perseverance!  Something we're all going to need a lot of in the next few years.

Jaycel Adkins
Jaycel Adkins 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an7uSL19eNY

 

From Magpul Dynamics DVD: Art of the Tactical Carbine: Vol. II

shagstar
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man,,,that dude was one,tough bulldog!  i remember when Pres.Reagan awarded that stud his MOH, that was the same year i ETS'D!  i heard that Reagan was shedding tears when he placed the award around the man's neck..

thanks for the story Mike,,put a smile on my face

MedicSteve2
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@shagstar my oldest boy kinda hinted at this....he said, "you know, I bet every one on that stage, even Pres Reagan, was thinking that they hadn't really done anything in their lives compared to this guy" I know that's what I was thinking

StormR
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The video should be mandatory viewing in every school in America. 

Kendoist4162
Kendoist4162 5pts

@StormR +1

Grigori
Grigori 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Simply amazing. The stories of the missions undertaken by Special Forces and SEALs in Vietnam are legendary. 

flhtse05
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God has a special place for these men!

LauraWalkerKC
LauraWalkerKC moderator 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 10 Like

After reading about Benavidez, I read this article:

 

How college students think they are more special than EVER: Study reveals rocketing sense of entitlement on U.S. campuses Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2257715/Study-shows-college-students-think-theyre-special--read-write-barely-study.html#ixzz2HDWlv9Pr

 

"New data suggests students today are convinced of their own greatness regardless of whether they've accomplished anything"

 

Sigh.

shagstar
shagstar 5pts

 @LauraWalkerKC http://www.therightscoop.com/school-daze-the-dumbing-down-of-american-schools/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRightScoop+%28The+Right+Scoop%29&utm_content=Yahoo%21+Mail

CK5150
CK5150 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @LauraWalkerKC That's what happens when you have an entire generation that has been awarded "participation" trophies for every little thing.  

dmalert
dmalert 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @LauraWalkerKC Saw this too about 30 minutes ago - pathetic.   Keep in mind they have been intentionally taught this way to weaken the country.  Nevertheless only hardship will wake them up.

CK5150
CK5150 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @dmalert  My belief is that PC bullshit has caused most of this.  Can't have little Johnny crying because he struck out 3 times and couldn't catch a cold, let alone a fly ball.  Give him a trophy instead.   

Surf375
Surf375 5pts

 @Jaycel Adkins  @CK5150  @dmalert 

 

This is probably the most entrepreneurial generation since. The very platform you're typing and sending feel good messages on are from this generation, not the WWII or baby boomers, but this. Give 'em a break.

 

 

Jaycel Adkins
Jaycel Adkins 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @CK5150  @dmalert Honestly, I think 'little Johnny' probably learned that life can suck from the fact that he more than likely lives in a single parent household, than whether or not he struck out in a little league game. 

LauraWalkerKC
LauraWalkerKC moderator 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 7 Like

 @dmalert This is the participation trophy generation.

CK5150
CK5150 5pts

 @LauraWalkerKC  @dmalert LOL.  In my case it would just be MTA.  

LauraWalkerKC
LauraWalkerKC moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @CK5150  @dmalert GMTA darlin :)

CK5150
CK5150 5pts

 @LauraWalkerKC  @dmalert Sorry, didn't see you beat me to the participation trophy comment.  

dmalert
dmalert 5pts

 @LauraWalkerKC Yup

Jaycel Adkins
Jaycel Adkins 5pts

 @dmalert  @LauraWalkerKC 'Intentionally taught this way to weaken the country?' I'm not convinced of that. Another article in the long list of articles (going back decades, if not centuries) about how the current generation is worse that the last generation. 

dmalert
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 @Jaycel Adkins  @LauraWalkerKC Speaking of kids vs. MoH....

 

As a kid my neighbor/friend's dad ("C") entered the Marines when he was 16.  C was 6'4" - no kid ever gave the guy lip.  This being said C was very mellow anyway.  So one day some juvenile delinquent was screwing around on our block and C criticized the kid saying he should be doing something productive rather than being a corner boy.  So some liberal woman was like "Oh come on C, can't you remember what it was like to be 17?  What were you doing when you were 17?

 

C responds - When I was 17 I was storming Iwo Jima - conversation ended.  LOL  C had grown up in the same town as well.  I don't remember if C got medals, but he did make it home obviously. 

 

So as per MoH vs. kids - why not compare what an 18-22 YO does daily in Afghanistan vs. same age bracket in college today?  Even if the wars are unnecessary and our politicians corrupt the ones deployed have a core belief in something greater than themselves - the freedom that is America, loyalty, respect, etc.  Whereas the average college kid - based on facebook and twitter usage - unclear that anything is greater than themselves.

 

And this is sad and injurious to our youth. 

 

 

dmalert
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 @Jaycel Adkins  @LauraWalkerKC Perhaps such obscurity was a good thing???   Jane Austen probably wouldn't have written anything because no one seems capable of reading more than two sentences before they need a break.  Pride and Prejudice "tweeted"  @lydia Went to Mr. Darcy's ball we're getting married #darcyball.  The end. 

 

Agreed on gossip/chatter, but social media promotes self indulgence and it lessens attention spans, which is a whole other problem.  When people can't comprehend even the most basic issues then it's quite easy to manipulate them.  Fractured thought processes enabled by social media/TV. 

 

From a workplace point of view the current crop of early 20s folks is very weak work ethic wise, poorly educated, etc.  It's frightening and I don't think it's me misreading new generations because I have become stodgy.  You look at them versus the kids of an Indian or Chinese immigrant and it's night and day.

 

You're right about things getting leveled out.  I think all of us including the current twidiot generation are about to go through something far worse that the great depression and WW2 and via this purification we will come out very strong and clear headed.  My only qualm is that we shouldn't be repeating history like this and I don't like seeing people suffer and when an economic system collapses this abounds.

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 @dmalert  @LauraWalkerKC The only difference between this generation and every other is that all the dummies of years gone by, were hidden underneath a blanket of obscurity, while this generation has twitter, Facebook, etc. This generation didn't invent gossip and chitchat.

 

What would Jane Austen have written about without either. 

 

I mean, if you want to start comparing generations on a post such as this, it would make sense to make a comparison between previous MoH holders and this generation's MoH holders. Comparing a MoH holder such as MSG Roy Benavidez to college kids in some UK article is a Straw Man argument. 

 

What stupid college kid just out of their parents house didn't think they were something special? 

 

Life levels everything out and punches everyone in the mouth, it did then, it does now. I'm doubtful these kids jaws are as brittle as any others. 

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 @Jaycel Adkins  @LauraWalkerKC Jaycel wasn't trying to make the "oh each generation gets worse argument."  My observation is many people under 30 have a sense of entitlement and frankly they are clueless as to how competitive the world is.  Asians will eat their lunch.  And this behavior of entitlement is pushed in schools and by media 7/24.  Look at the explosion in reality TV of the past 15 years.  Everything is look at me  - quick money - don't work hard - you deserve it.  Self indulgence is rampant in the US.

 

As for education same BS - all about equality and the child's "self esteem."  My buddy has 3 boys active in sports.  Their soccer league (school based) doesn't allow score keeping as it world hurt the losers self esteem.  Point is we live in a competitive world and this does not prepare children for reality.  I have also seen it with young people in the workplace.  It's like they want a gold star just for showing up. 

 

And it's intentional as there is a deliberate effort to affect social engineering in the US.  Big govt. does it for you all and this sells well when you have a generation of louts.  So you start with the kids - it takes a village and 20 years later voila!  It's not like children haven't been used this way before.

 

Look at something like Twitter - says volumes about our society.  Who the fuck needs to hear a person's every waking thought? 

 

Just got up, shaved, took a dump.  Wow The Voice rocked last night...blather...blather....blather.

 

Well thanks for the update, not sure the world would have continued to rotate without it.

 

 

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