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Home » Op-Ed » A Sensible Approach to School Security: K-9′s in The Classroom

A Sensible Approach to School Security: K-9′s in The Classroom

by Mike Ritland · January 7, 2013 · Posted In: Op-Ed
K9 Security Dogs in Our Classrooms
Unless you have been hiding under a rock, you undoubtedly have been witness to the media coverage of the horrible massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School last month. Since then, there has been an inundation of political mud-slinging regarding gun control, mental health issues, school security, and overall safety of our citizens. I’d like to take a few moments to cover a common sense approach method to safe-guarding our nation’s most prized possession: our children.

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As a former Special Operations member, and a staunch supporter of our 2nd amendment, I certainly have very strong opinions as to the validity and importance of maintaining our right to keep and bear arms. That being said, I also realize that firearms in our schools is a hotbed issue that our country seems to be so divided on that it just further complicates being able to have an adult discussion about it.

Due to the disparity of emotional response on both sides as to how to combat this problem, I believe the most viable solution that both mitigates the risk of an active shooter in a school, yet also eases the tension regarding having firearms in schools, is to employ a security dog.

A security dog is an incredible asset to have in a school. It not only acts as a deterrent for would-be shooters, but also, if needed to be called into action, is right there on the premises to neutralize that threat.

Security dogs are unlike any other measure in that it is the one tool that cannot be taken from you and used against you. Pepper spray, stun guns, batons, firearms, weapons etc. can all be taken from you and then used against you. They can be stolen or lost, they can malfunction, and they can cause more problems if they are in incompetent hands that don’t have adequate experience using them. A security dog however, will not have any of these issues.

Some common questions and concerns I hear people ask are:

A dog is no match for a guy with a gun, it’s a suicide mission

As a nation, we have been effectively utilizing dogs in combat for over a decade recently, and quite frankly since the dawn of man we have used dogs to aid us in combat. In theater, our dogs routinely go up against hardened combat proven fighters and have been largely successful. A “call of duty” wannabe that didn’t get hugged enough as a child pails in comparison to what our military dogs go up against day in and day out. If our professional soldiers trust these animals with their lives, we can trust them to protect our children as well.

I don’t want Cujo running around wild with my children

The dogs that operate in a working capacity, whether with a SOF unit or similar to ones that I place in family environments as personal protection dogs, have to be clear headed, stable and very social. These dogs exude confidence, are incredibly intelligent, and know the difference between what is threatening and what is not. These dogs integrate into households with small children, other pets, and busy fast-paced lifestyles that very closely mimic what the environment in a school would provide.

A dog can’t be everywhere at once. How will he cover the whole campus?

There are two points to consider here: 1. Choke points are a security essential regardless of what the other counter measures put in place are. 2. Dogs of this caliber are faster and quieter than any human being on earth, and by a landslide. There is no faster way to close distance around corners, from building to building, and room to room than a highly trained security dog. Period. The size of the campus should dictate how many dogs are needed, and it is of course up to the administration to determine its requirements.

Here’s a video showing tactical K9 police dogs in training.

Security dogs are a non-lethal approach to apprehending criminals, deterring would-be active shooters, and maintaining a safe and secure weapon-free option in our schools. No measure by itself is fool proof, but I look at security like I do cold weather. The more layers you have to protect you, the better off you will be.

Security dogs offer the single thickest and safest layer of protection for our children in schools.

With the correct training and placement, I strongly believe that this solution can satisfy both the opponents of having weapons in schools, and adequately mitigate the threat of another elementary school active shooter headline that makes all of our stomachs turn.

Mike Ritland is a former US Navy SEAL and author of Trident K9 Warriors, available for pre-order on Amazon.

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Old PH2
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Watched this program last night and was fascinated, they actually seem to be pointing out that the solution is talking to these kids before they start shooting, WOW!  A common sense low cost solution, who'da thunk it?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/body/troubled-teens.html

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/raising-adam-lanza/ 

Allwet
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From Ranger Up, William Tango Foxtrot, I say again...http://news.sky.com/story/1042783/murder-confession-teen-copies-horror-film

Read this-funny the media isn't all over this, oh wait, hollywierds habit of weaning kids on ultra violence while misdirecting blame and doing what they do best-FAKE IT- shirking accountability all together.

shagstar
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fan-friggin-tastic!!!

 

http://www.therightscoop.com/fantastic-judge-jeanine-slams-the-journal-news-as-nothing-but-a-bunch-of-cowards/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRightScoop+%28The+Right+Scoop%29&utm_content=Yahoo%21+Mail

oldSquid
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 @shagstar

 She could be my third ex-wife! As if I stood a chance....

RedWanderer
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(Sorry 'bout the weird post, folks....little rusty with livefyre.)

 

Was trying to say what a great article this was.  I feel pretty strongly about the topic but hadn't thought about the K-9 option.  Appreciate all the attached data.

RedWanderer
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Red Wanderer

Txazz
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Obama To Arm Muslim Brotherhood, But You Can’t Own An AR?

http://lastresistance.com/1003/obama-to-arm-muslim-brotherhood-but-you-cant-own-an-ar/

Here in America, our elected officials are plotting to limit, if not eliminate Americans access to legal firearms….AND…..AMMUNITION…., but the Muslim Brotherhood gets Abrams tanks (200) and F-16’s (10)? What happened to decreasing “mass murders?” Is this just a concept restricted to U.S. citizens? Shouldn’t international mass murder be a concern for the White House as well? Apparently not. Yet Israel is still our greatest ally in the region………….HORSEHOCKEY!

Txazz
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Law Professor Says 2nd Amendment not ‘Absolute’

posted on January 12, 2013 by Gary DeMar

http://godfatherpolitics.com/8955/law-professor-says-2nd-amendment-not-absolute/

RedWanderer
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 @Txazz 2A not absolute but Founding Fathers were damn clear about it's purpose.  And all one has to do is look at how much of the Constitution has been trampled on by our government to understand why they stated it the way they did.   And if the BOR isn't clear enough, lots of backup stuff to read makes it crystal clear, i.e. Federalist Papers.  The Founding Fathers argued and disagreed about a number of things, but this was one amendment that had almost complete consensus.

 

Which is that 2A is there to protect us from a tryrannical government, not the other way around.

 

I understand the emotional reactions to what happened in CT, but most of the reactions are just that:  emotional.  And many of the suggested changes wouldn't have done a thing to have prevented Sandy Hook, IMO.

 

It's nice to see a well thought out article (K-9) that DOES contribute in a rational way to the solution.

oldSquid
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 @RedWanderer  @Txazz

 You're on the money Red. That's the exact reason 2A was put there and from all the associated writings, that is the exact reason it was put there - to protect against a tyrannical government. After all, the Founders had just gotten rid of one. The Progressive/liberal left know this as well, and that's why they are working so hard to keep the emotions high around this. Emotional reaction is not logical thought - and as you said, none of the suggested 'shiny' (appealing to that emotion) changes would have prevented Sandy Hook - or will prevent the next Sandy Hook. The NRA had it right. Simple solution - it takes a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun. K-9s are another viable option - another bullet in the gun so to speak - I know bad analogy, but it works for me, in addition to those good guys with guns as well.

oldSquid
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 @Txazz

 Yeh, BUT... he's a liberal professor from a college in Chicago...probably believes the Constitution is a 'living, breathing document'. Not the confining hard rock foundation and Principles of our Nation.

To me, the phrase ..."SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" is pretty damn absolute... just sayin'

shagstar
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this guy gets it in a nutshell!

 

http://www.therightscoop.com/mark-levin-i-can-barely-contain-my-fury-at-what-is-going-on-in-this-country/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRightScoop+%28The+Right+Scoop%29&utm_content=Yahoo%21+Mail

Txazz
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 @shagstar Levine is right on isn't he.

Txazz
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A Saturday morning thought:  Check back over to Jeffrey Carr's article on Soldier Suicides

http://sofrep.com/15655/more-soldier-suicides-combat-deaths/

It is the norm for me to revisit articles and get even more insight from them.  This morning I felt drawn to Jeffrey's article.  I was shocked to see in only 12 days that I missed an entire night's conversation and ensuing days.  The comments are rich and valuable with real solutions.  I hope you take a moment to jump over there.  Each day at SOFREP my admiration and respect grows for members and I've grown close to a few, make that more than a few.

Thursday night I threw a lil hissy fit after seeing the Penn State vid on Jack's blog.  First it was the injustice to Jack and then I viewed the vid.  It hit me straight dead in the heart and became very personal, the treatment of our returning vets to college and society.  Said subject was already heartfelt.  That young man in the vid, the vet, was my son, my brother, my friend all at the same time.

I'm not totally off topic as Mike Ritland's awesome article turns our minds to the noble animal, dog - unconditional love as well as loyalty and protection.  A service dog (or pet) for help, healing. and even protection for our vets (as they want to take our guns starting with vets).

Recon6
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@Txazz Some things never change, same shit, different day. In '72 I went to college, grew my hair long (had some back then), and was treated like shit. The only thing changing was that I was able to play baseball and basketball for the school so i was 'accepted', ended up dating the 'head cheerleader' = no frkn comments about that, lol..6

dickftr
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Thanks Txazz, will keep ya posted.

Txazz
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Gun Free Zone https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=S7pGt_O1uM8

dmalert
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 @Txazz LMAO

shagstar
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here ya go TX! http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/01/02/3164601/naked-man-arrested-after-choking.html

oldSquid
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 @shagstar

 South Florida... gotta love it. I lived down that way for four years teaching SCUBA...

Txazz
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I hope they gave the homeowner rabies shots.

LauraKinCA
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 @Txazz

 LOL!

hjw1dr
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 @LauraKinCA  @Txazz  What a parody!  LOL  1/2 hour news hour. :)

shagstar
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this seems to be a trend that needs too be fixed http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/01/obama-admin-once-defended-agents-putting-gun-to-little-girls-head/

Surf375
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What trend? The DEA, ATF and Marshals have been dinged for these types of incidents before, regardless of who's in office. Personally, I think it's a lack of patrol experience for them. But realistically, what would you have done? Assuming it was the right house. There's a case right now of a then 10 yr old boy who shot his neo-Nazi dad. You don't know how these kids were raised, you kick the door and you have to assume the worst, you can say your sorry's after, but you have to control the situation first, be they children or not. Also, a commentary on raids, not every situation dictates doors getting kicked, creativity is a plus when doing these things. Wait for the suspect to leave the house, then stop his car in a good spot. Wait for the kids to go to school, then pick 'em up on their way. Stuff like that. Then you can enter the home when everyone's safely in custody. But my initial point is, this type of stuff happens regardless of who's in office.

shagstar
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i never blamed any office. i am just pointing out the ineptness in some dept.'s who cannot seem to get they're intel right! now,,ask those little girls what they think about being rudely woken-up in the wee hours of the morning with a bunch of loud,foulmouthed scary men pointing gun's at you! and when they are finished frightening the shit outta ya,,they realize their mistake and say,,sorry,,our bad! have a fuk'n nice day!

Recon6
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@shagstar Damn Straight Shag !!! Don't fuck with Kids....6

shagstar
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 @hjw1dr 

this is pure madness especially when you listen too what they say!

please,,don't take me wrong but,,i have a major malfunction when leadership fails and good cop's turn into assholes! i was raised to respect my police and have watched some of these decent people turn into  sadists. WTF?  i'm an honorably discharged vet who has become a target because of my allegence too the flag and see what's happening in my front yard!  and our kid's

 

http://youtu.be/oG6t3k9A7Is

Txazz
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I fixed your icon for you and sent it to Laura. It will fit better. I guess I'm a little weird, too. LOL

hjw1dr
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 @shagstar  Shag,.  temper tantrum allowed and understood! LOL

shagstar
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 @hjw1dr 

sorry,,now my pissed offness is over!

shagstar
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 @hjw1dr 

and busting down my door after they shot my dogs because they got a fuk'n address wrong in their haste to right the world!!

shagstar
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 @hjw1dr 

i'm a 50's baby,,i don't need a babysitter from the gubberment!

shagstar
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 @hjw1dr 

absolutely  HJ,,infringe,rewrite American History/distort and attempt to strong arm with approvals from the self proclaimed saviors who are prepared to save our silly little asses because they have deemed us of being incapable of taking care of ourselves and our families!   "pissed off rant over"

hjw1dr
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 @TxazzI understand. No prob. I like stuff like this... go figure. I just thought for those of you who are sick, have more time,  and are impossibly into details, you'd be interested... if you can put up with the lectures, and like this.... go for it. I found it interesting.  But I'm weird.   :)

Txazz
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Yepper, I know it does without a doubt. I think my eyes would glaze over watching that video. LOL I can't seem to make myself take the time to watch videos I like even.

hjw1dr
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 @shagstar  Do you think that the ineptness of government organizations is also related the scope of government in a free society? Strangely, I have been watching a fascinating set of videos on international debt and the role of the US debt in the larger picture of world economy. How international gross public debt directs policy in our country as well as in other countries (China, EU).  

 

Anyway, below is a link to this long and rather convoluted video.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_kV82ap5f0&list=UUudqVyQYnmi8NwWfd11Rmvw&index=6

 

Hillsdale College sponsors this, by the way. Admittedly a very conservative college, and very intellectual. Funny in a dry sense of humor. But I found it interesting.. it was not inflammatory or hysterical (world doom) in anyway. But I'll let you judge. for yourself.

Txazz
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The last paragraph is the clincher.

Txazz
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RE: video using Jack's blog to slander vets. The vid itself must have been posted 3 years ago. Note one person's comment. satxusa 3 years ago Just substitute "black guy" or "feminist" for "veteran" and have the school a Christian university and you will understand how deeply offensive this film really is. I understand the school removed this video when folks complained about its obvious bias. Penn State should be ashamed and I hope the alumni bombard them with letters about the "worrisome behavior of the Penn State Leadership. It is a censored vid some moron posted on Jack's blog which is still on Youtube. Yes, I am calm this morning. Still hard to believe. Uploaded on Mar 1, 2009 Penn State University's Office of Student Affairs, in partnership with President Graham Spanier, produced this vignette on "worrisome student behaviors" featuring a stereotypical "aggressive" veteran who threatens his professors. Faculty and administrators again prove they care more about poisonous "progressivism" than intellectual pluralism.

shagstar
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y'all are down in the dark world now can't reach ya again!

hjw1dr
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 @shagstar  Same here Shag... but I tried to say to the wife,  "hi!" :)

shagstar
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 @hjw1dr

she say's howdy 

LauraKinCA
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 @shagstar

 In case you can't get to my last one, Jack posted this on his blog earlier...

 

http://reflexivefire.com/2013/01/11/worrisome-veteran-video-aka-why-penn-state-can-kiss-my-irish-ass/

 

If you want to get your blood boiling, go ahead and watch the video.

shagstar
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 @LauraKinCA

if you noticed the dent on her forehead then, that should be a good indicator  on why she's braindead!

Txazz
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 @LauraKinCA  @shagstar YES, it makes your blood boil.  I can hardly believe what I'm seeing.

hjw1dr
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 @Txazz  @LauraKinCA  @shagstar  IT fits with what we were talking about below, about identifying a group to vilify -- and turn public opinion against-- in order to justify other actions. 

StormR
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 @shagstar  *Waves at Shag's wife*  Hi!

hjw1dr
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 @StormR  @shagstar  Hey Stormy, I tried to respond to your note about PTSD and MSM but note able to... so up here it goes.  I totally agree that as Jacel indicated in an earlier article there are higher suicides, etc. But the sensationalizing of the problems are uncalled for.. unless put in the larger context of "damaged warriors."

 

otherwise, totally agree.

oldSquid
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 @shagstar

 I agree - and likeLaura said, "very near miss for your Dad. I bet that haunted him too." Must have to lose that many shipmates - and your ship like that.

My Dad was on the ship's football team and he told me he was getting ready to go practice when TSHTF, because they had a game scheduled against the Arizona's team the next weekend - and the way he said, "we never got to play that game" sent chills up my spine.

Txazz
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I had an uncle (the youngest of 13) who was a Navy pilot and he was stationed there, too. Thankfully he was on the beach when the attack came. I wish I had known him to be able to ask questions.

LauraKinCA
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 @shagstar  @oldSquid

 Wow Shag. Very near miss for your dad! I bet that haunted him too.

shagstar
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 @oldSquid 

my daddy was  crewed on the USS ARIZONA 7 Dec41 and on shore pass in Honolulu when the shit hit the fan.  trying times for sure

shagstar
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 @LauraKinCA 

thief!!  lol

oldSquid
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 @StormR

 Whenever I hear "Heard it through the Grapevine" - original Marvin Gaye version, I flashback to the Honcho in Yokosuka - it would be blaring out of the jukeboxes in every bar there... 

oldSquid
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 @StormR

 I agree.. some of - hell a lot of what they call music these days is w-a-y past my understanding. It is kinda scary though when you hear Led Zeppelin as background music to commercials....

oldSquid
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 @shagstar

 Definitely.

My Dad joined about the same time as he did in '34 - and was a Pearl Harbor Survivor. Stationed on the U.S.S. Pennsylvania. He never talked about it a whole lot, but I do remember him showing me a chunk of shrapnel from a Jap bomb that he picked up. Don't know where it is now, his father had it at his house in Sacramento when I saw it as a kid. Dad always claimed to be a democrat, but I believe he'd of been on the same page with Master Chief Estes.

LauraKinCA
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 @shagstar

 I'm keeping that letter Shag!

shagstar
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i think you will like this O SQUID http://clashdaily.com/2013/01/95yr-old-pearl-harbor-survivor-tells-obama-to-get-bent/

Txazz
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cool new icon - good job! :)

StormR
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True that, oldSquid! I will say, though, that it's hard to beat the music of the 60's :) :)

oldSquid
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 @StormR

 Yep. And what's that old saying/cliche (although truer words were never spoken),

Those that don't know their history are doomed to repeat it?

StormR
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I could believe just about anything from the 60's. Sometimes I look back at those times and wonder how the heck the US survived them. The anger I'm seeing today is mild compared to what was happening then - some of it was justified and some of it was pure insanity - almost contagious. Today JFK is a legend, but one wonders what if he had lived. I so don't want to live through a period like that again. Hard to imagine that it is now 'history'.

oldSquid
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 @StormR said," ...somewhere along the way I lost my party :(" @hjw1dr  @Txazz  @shagstar

 I think that it's the party that lost you. I remember Dixiecrat democrats. Hell, JFKwas a dem -and nowadays, his policies would be considered 'right wing'

I think it all started falling apart in the 60's - with Russian commie help, and the furtherance of the 'progressive' agenda. I'm a little fuzzy on my history here, but think Teddy Roosevelt was a part of the introduction of that philosophy from "the great minds of Europe" - of all places.

oldSquid
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 @StormR said, "...I can remember the days when I watched news programs and actually got the  news...instead of lead articles about Kim K. being pregnant  <insert  disgusted noise> 

I can too. but, Kim K. being pregnant is BIG news,  in this dumbed downn, "D'ju wan' fries wi'dat?" society/culture. I can remember when we got full blown reporting, not 30 second propoganda sound bites and phot ops...

@hjw1dr  @shagstar

 

Txazz
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 @LauraKinCA  @StormR  @hjw1dr  @shagstar would you believe the wind stopped and it's quiet and calm outside now.  nite all, until tomorow.

LauraKinCA
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 @Txazz  @StormR  @hjw1dr  @shagstar

 Nite all. Until tomorrow.

Txazz
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 @StormR  @hjw1dr  @shagstar Am proud of all y'all for all the comments - good thing we got this over with tonight.  It is amazing how many peeps are posting.  I think it may be time to get a hot shower and put 'er to bed.

LauraKinCA
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 @Txazz  @StormR  @hjw1dr  @shagstar

 Don't forget to give the vid a thumbs down.

Txazz
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 @StormR  @LauraKinCA  @hjw1dr  @shagstar whew, ok, you looked like an unfluffy sheep then.  lol  Excellent comments in both places.  I was just at Youtube and there are so many comments I can hardly get to the end.  It's all Pro-Vets.

LauraKinCA
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 @StormR  @Txazz  @hjw1dr  @shagstar

 Because I set up a google+ account to watch a webcast with Sean Parnell several months ago, that carried over to Ytube (google & Ytube are affiliated).

StormR
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 @LauraKinCA  @Txazz  @hjw1dr  @shagstar   I don't have an avatar for the You-Tube.

Txazz
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 @LauraKinCA  @hjw1dr  @majrod  @StormR  @shagstar since I last signed in to Youtube they've changed it to using Google.  Maybe that's it as I didn't actually get signed in.  lol

LauraKinCA
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 @majrod  

He's here all night folks!! And he's got a million of 'em!

 

Keep going. I'm taking notes :)

 

@Txazz  @StormR  @hjw1dr  @shagstar

 

LauraKinCA
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 @Txazz  @hjw1dr  @majrod  @StormR  @shagstar

 You can't see my avi icon? Huh, when I go to see my comment on Ytube it shows up with my same pic, which is how I set up my google profile.

majrod
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 @LauraKinCA "Penn State treats vets like Sandusky treated kids."

 

 

 @Txazz  @StormR  @hjw1dr  @shagstar

 

hjw1dr
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 @Txazz  @majrod  @LauraKinCA  @StormR  @shagstar  bummer... oh, well.

Txazz
Txazz 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @StormR  @hjw1dr  @majrod  @LauraKinCA  @shagstar You notice all the comments were for Vets or by Vets.

Txazz
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 @hjw1dr  @majrod  @LauraKinCA  @StormR  @shagstar Was just reading all of them however I still couldn't see your icons there.  drats.

StormR
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 @hjw1dr  @majrod  @LauraKinCA  @Txazz  @shagstar  Wonderful comment, hjw1dr...you NAILED IT!

LauraKinCA
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 @shagstar  @Txazz  @majrod  @StormR  @hjw1dr

 OMFG!! That was hysterical! Where the hell do you find this stuff!

hjw1dr
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 @majrod  @LauraKinCA  @Txazz  @StormR  @shagstar 

Here's what I posted on PENN...

 

Stereotyping does not bring about more sensitivity. If you’re going to do a training program on how to handle an angry student, you naturally make the point that the student is a vet? Really? Then why not make one about an angry black man? Oh, suddenly it doesn’t sound so good now, does it? This video shows the prejudices of this institution. In this case, their prejudice is against veterans. 

shagstar
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 @Txazz  @LauraKinCA  @majrod  @StormR  @hjw1dr

 i found tango's secret squirrel weapon!!  yikes

 

http://youtu.be/lfABnAS5i9Q

Txazz
Txazz 5pts

 @LauraKinCA  @majrod  @StormR  @hjw1dr  @shagstar All I could see was what HJ wrote but, her icon was a blank face one.  Yours is too and I refreshed.

majrod
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 @LauraKinCA  "Penn State!  We support Vets and kids (and those that "love" them)!!!"

 

 @Txazz  @StormR  @hjw1dr  @shagstar

 

LauraKinCA
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 @majrod  

I was able to open another window and see it... I likey!! Very topic appropriate.

 

@Txazz  @StormR  @hjw1dr  @shagstar

 

Txazz
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 @LauraKinCA  @majrod  @StormR  @hjw1dr  @shagstar both but, it is displaying in physical high winds.  I love it.

hjw1dr
hjw1dr 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @majrod   I've got my angry avatar on now ...

. @LauraKinCA  @Txazz  @StormR  @shagstar 

LauraKinCA
LauraKinCA 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Txazz  @majrod  @StormR  @hjw1dr  @shagstar

 Do you mean actual weather or the shit storm this vid is going to generate?

Txazz
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 @LauraKinCA  @majrod  @StormR  @hjw1dr  @shagstar Laura, I must say, you know how to start the party - with that link to Jack's blog!  lol  I feel better now since we are all talking but, there is a big storm outside.

LauraKinCA
LauraKinCA 5pts

 @majrod  @Txazz  @StormR  @hjw1dr  @shagstar

 You will have to email me what pic you are using. I don't want to get out of the thread and lose ability to see all the comments, so I can't see when anyone changes avis until I go out and back in.

StormR
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 @LauraKinCA  @Txazz  @hjw1dr  @shagstar   Wow...the number of comments has jumped tremendously since I first commented on the video.  The word is getting around (BIG GRIN).   Here's what I posted:

 

Storm R-----  54 minutes ago

Penn State, what in the world were you thinking? You create a video of a woman and a black man STEREOTYPING a Veteran?? At any point did anyone ask the question, "Huh, didn't people used to talk about US like that??" And what was the 'point' of the video. That the woman clearly was incapable of doing her job? That her supervisor clearly was incapable of mentoring? Or that veterans should choose a BETTER university than Penn State to get an education? I'm appalled and outraged.

majrod
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 @LauraKinCA Like I said before.  A picture is worth a thousand words. 

 

(I'll change my avatar back after I calm down a bit so folks don't get the wrong message as qwe discuss things) @Txazz  @StormR  @hjw1dr  @shagstar

 

StormR
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 @Txazz  @hjw1dr  @shagstar  Here it is Txazz:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhLq9NPLv0M&feature=share

LauraKinCA
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 @Txazz  @StormR  @hjw1dr  @shagstar

 This is what I posted on the Ytube site...

 

For an institution of higher learning to be so hypocritically proud of having a Medal of Honor receipient (Lt. Michael Murphy) and then to produce a video that stereotypes our returning veterans looking to better their education as angry and dangerous disgusts me.

hjw1dr
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 @StormR  @Txazz  @shagstar  My point... is that it isn't a party. It's a political view. The progressives are in all parties. Some more than others.. I'm a Republican... but I never believe the democrats are the enemy. But the political view of progressives are. 

StormR
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 @hjw1dr  @Txazz  @shagstar  As you know, I'm a blue collar Democrat and I don't even know what the progressive agenda is...somewhere along the way I lost my party :(

hjw1dr
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 @Txazz  @StormR  @shagstar  ANything or anyone who disagrees with the progressive agenda is extremist. There... I said it. 

Txazz
Txazz 5pts

 @StormR  @hjw1dr  @shagstar Stormy, Post your Youtube link here so everyone can see it, please.  And, everyone else who does one.

hjw1dr
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 @Txazz  @StormR  @shagstar  Unbelieveable... well-- not so much now. The more I see.... the more I think of history. And hope to avoid the same pitfalls that other countries fell into. 

yeah...

 

Txazz
Txazz 5pts

 @hjw1dr  @StormR  @shagstar Here is an article:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/16/napolitano-stands-rightwing-extremism/?page=all

The Times reported Tuesday that the department’s Office of Intelligence and Analysis (I&A) issued April 7 the nine-page document titled “Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment.” Outcry from veterans groups, Republican lawmakers and conservative activists followed, but the reaction spread Wednesday to Democratic lawmakers and liberal-leaning groups.

Txazz
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 @hjw1dr  @StormR  @shagstar Napolitano was the one who put the hit out on returning vets AND christians.  lol  I actually had a hit put out on me (as a christian) when I lived in Israel.  I didn't expect it in my own country.

StormR
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 @LauraKinCA  @Txazz  @hjw1dr  @shagstar My next action is to find if I know any Penn State alumni.

hjw1dr
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 @Txazz  @StormR  @shagstar  Txazz-- believe me. I get the feeling!  :)  

I've thought the gun control dispute would eventually focus on returning vets as a "dangerous group" to justify further concern.  (It's always about fostering more concern -- for the good.)  

But enough... time to calm down.

LauraKinCA
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 @StormR  @Txazz  @hjw1dr  @shagstar

 Saw yours on Ytube - good one. I will have to do the same.

Txazz
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 @StormR  @hjw1dr  @shagstar Laura you were, too.  I'm proud of y'all.  My son can tell you what happens when you turn Mama Bear loose.  He has witnessed it.  It ain't pretty.  And, any kid is mine no matter the age.

Txazz
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 @StormR  @hjw1dr  @shagstar Actually you were very kind in what you said.  That was the right thing to do - be civil.  Unfortunately I do not feel civil and I wonder if I will sleep tonight.  I know you feel the same as my heart is crying and I am, too.

StormR
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 @Txazz  @hjw1dr  @shagstar  Txazz, I went and vented my spleen on YouTube and Jack's blog...luckily I'm not in the same state as the university or I would be there venting my spleen in person.

StormR
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 @hjw1dr  @shagstar  Media sensationalizes everything...I keep having to remind myself that every media outlet is a business and not a 'public service'.  Everything gets exaggerated and hyped.   I'm about to have one of my 'old fartess' moments...I can remember the days when I watched news programs and actually got the news...instead of lead articles about Kim K. being pregnant  <insert disgusted noise>

Txazz
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 @hjw1dr  @StormR  @shagstar There are suicides that have absolutely nothing to do with war.  I am so charged right now I want to go rip the doors off their institution of higher learning. I think a good thing would be for me to quiet myself as best I can and not make any further comments.

hjw1dr
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 @Txazz  @StormR  @shagstar  unfortunately, yes.  And probably a large number of suicides for other wars...

hjw1dr
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 @StormR  @shagstar  realized that came out wrong... damaged warriors is the MSM narrative. Not mine

Txazz
Txazz 5pts

 @hjw1dr  @StormR  @shagstar There are higher suicides in young people which has been going on for YEARS.

Txazz
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 @StormR  @shagstar darn it - she went to the other room before you got in here.

Txazz
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 @shagstar yer makin' us hunt snipe.

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