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American- *cough* *cough* French Troops Arrive in Mali

by Jack Murphy · January 11, 2013 · Posted In: SOF News
AQIM
I have a long series about trans-Saharan smuggling and terrorism en route but this is one of those times when reality has jumped the gun on me.  The fear is that the Jihadists will carve out a belt of terrorism in the Sahel (Arabic for shore) just to the south of the Sahara desert.  One of the problems preventing the West from cleaning up this mess is that AQIM is holding French hostages.  Well, things are going to get cleaned up one way or the other, but maybe not the way that you think. -Jack

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French troops have arrived in Mali amid a rapid escalation of international efforts to intervene in the country, where Islamist groups are continuing to clash with the army for control of the desert north.

The French president, François Hollande, announced on Friday night that French armed forces had come to the aid of Mali troops on the ground. He said the operation would last as long as necessary and the French parliament would sit to debate the move on Monday.

The French foreign office has advised ex-pats to leave Mali because of the security situation.

French media quoted Malian officials as saying European military were present on the ground, namely at Sévaré.

Colonel Abdrahmane Baby, a military operations adviser for the foreign affairs ministry, told Associated Press that French troops were in the country but gave no details about how many or what they were doing.

The announcement confirmed reports from residents in central Mali who said they had seen western military personnel arrive and that planes had landed there throughout the night.

Earlier, Hollande said France was “ready to stop the terrorists’ advance if it continues”. In a speech to the country’s diplomatic corps, he said: “I have decided that France will respond, alongside our African partners, to the request from the Malian authorities. We will do it strictly within the framework of the United Nations security council resolution.

“[The rebels] have even tried to deal a fatal blow to the very existence of Mali. France, like its African partners and the entire international community, cannot accept that.”

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AFP: < http://tinyurl.com/acm3k6a >

 

Picture of fallen French SF with his kit:

 

< http://tinyurl.com/adnfu4k >

RVN SF VET
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FLASH: French bombing fails to halt rebel advance.

 

< http://tinyurl.com/a4pkbyc >

 

ArcticWarrior
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 @RVN SF VET

 A lot depends on the Tuareg's : “We can do the job on the ground. We've got men, arms and, above all, the desire to rid Azawad of terrorism,” Moussa Ag Assarid of the MNLA told AFP.

 

Now what are Paris's goals? Protect expats? Rid the region of terrorists? Mali is the size of France so a few hundred troops isnt going to do it, what are the plans of NATO,or the EU? or even just Germany and Britain?

MattRM
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 @ArcticWarrior  @RVN SF VET Rid the region of terrorists?  Quite a lofty goal, especially for France.  They'd have better luck ridding Kim Kardashian of herpes.

RedWanderer
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...especially since I gotta think Hollande is a reluctant warrior.

RedWanderer
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"But kudos to France for having the stones to throw lead."

 

Roger that.  Which I was surprised to see them do.

ArcticWarrior
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 @RedWanderer

 FFL are hard dudes, the French Jungle School is from what Ive heard pretty hardcore also. I believe they have a BCT in Djibouti as not only the FFL rotates in and out of Africa.

Based on newsreports there seems to be conflicting goals coming from the different ministers, which is never good.

But kudos to France for having the stones to throw lead.

RedWanderer
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 @ArcticWarrior  Hey, the FFL guy I worked around in Iraq impressed us all.  (I should say Former FFL....now a contractor.)  I'm sure the French in OEF-A did learn some things along the way too.  But the question is French leadership.  Reminds me alot of our CINC.  My gut doesn't say good things based on Hollande's short record.....

ArcticWarrior
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 @RedWanderer

 I agree but he has an obligation to protect French citizens and national interests. Im not sure but I thought most French in OEF-A were ISAF squared around Kabul and Im sure they learned some things along the way. The Western Sahara area is there playground and has been for some time. I saw on a euro news piece that up tp 5000 French would be deployed, still thats more then Anaconda and Harpoon combined but not sure what to make of the goals of Paris.

RedWanderer
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Looks like French Zoomies getting lots of live air to mud time. 

RVN SF VET
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This NY Times article is a good SITREP and a sad commentary on some of the choices we made in assisting the Malian government. The last quote from a former DOD official shows some real ignorance or naivete. We don't seem to understand asymmetrical warfare. Note the mention of Libyan arms and combat experience.

< http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/14/world/africa/french-jets-strike-deep-inside-islamist-held-mali.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0&hp&pagewanted=print >

 

RedWanderer
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Great article.  Thanks for posting, RSV.

Taskforcegreen
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 @RVN SF VET I couldn't agree more...Fortunately, i actually DO believe we have some basic concept of asymmetric tactics and warfare now at this point. In fact, I have been doing what you could almost call a "study" of such warfare with private sector Western ex-SOF who, as it turns out, are actually training and advising other countries as we speak about how to handle asymmetric threats. Not to mention that many of those at the Army's AWG have apparently acknowledged this as well. Several NCOs from AWG have been documented saying things that, without being too specific, seem to point out that we are now finally catching up to our enemies in these types of TTPs. For instance, private firms are now teaching these types of tactics (or, if not teaching them in their use, then they are at the very least teaching how to combat those who DO use them) and I am starting to see a vast change in the approach to these threats from the host nations.

For instance, in Mexico and in even Jordan, there are private sector "advisors" who are now actually *specializing* in this type of warfare and are showing the host nations how to be just ruthless in their approach on how to combat terror and threats that refuse to remain static. The evolution of said tactics and asymmetric warfare have now become the bread and butter of many Western allies' SOF elements... Also, not only do private firms do this job, but even our forward deployed ODA/OGA task units have also started assisting these countries in learning not to fear such threats and how to turn the tables on their users. 

Old PH2
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 @Taskforcegreen  @RVN SF VET  It really is about getting inside that OODA loop.  Glad to see the guys are doing it right! 

RVN SF VET
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 @Taskforcegreen This is the fellow who concerns me:

“They have been preparing these towns to be a death trap,” said Rudy Atallah, the former director of African counterterrorism policy for the Pentagon. “If an intervention force goes in there, the militants will turn it into an insurgency war.”

 

He thinks that it will TURN into an insurgency? WTF?

 

I am concerned if he is indicative of senior leadership.

Taskforcegreen
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 @RVN SF VET This a**hole works for the PENTAGON??? Jeez...My god. We are going to hell in a handbasket. If anything, imo, we should triple the amount of US SOF heading into Djibouti, Oman, etc. so we can strike in real time (even more quickly and lethally than we can already now) against those insurgencies. I sure hope that senior case officers working for the OGA elements on the ground there are reporting to the Pentagon how stupid that is...I mean, WTF is right!! I can't believe they aren't a step ahead of these insurgencies, not a step behind. There was a Rumsfeld-led committee (i think) that had the idea of something called *P20G (check it out). Its one of the best CT ideas I've ever heard

RedWanderer
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 @RVN SF VET  Yep.  We have a number of bureaucrats that need a fire under the azzz.

RVN SF VET
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This is the second time that France has intervened in a former colony in the past 12 months. Better them than us. The French and the Belgians continue to milk their former colonies so it is in their economic interest to keep a friendly government in power. Besides, the French keep elements of the Legion in Africa for this purpose. Our interest should be the narrow goal of defeating Muslim radicals who present a worldwide terrorist threat. In fact, their leader in Mali has just made such a threat against French citizens everywhere.

 

For strange reasons, we are now orienting one brigade to function in Africa in an FID role. Good luck to them. Airlift and communications appear to be our overt contribution in Mali at the present time. The operators we've had there do not appear to have had very apt pupils, if they were helping to train the Malian Army. It seems we are also going to send drones to assist. IMHO, we should not do more.

Matt Eroffact
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 @RVN SF VET Besides, the French keep elements of the Legion in Africa for this purpose. 

 

Not the Legion particularly, but yes there is a constant deploiement of troops (conventionnal forces and SOF) in Ivory Coast (Force Licorne), Tchad, Gabon, and of course Djibouti.

RedWanderer
RedWanderer 5pts

 @RVN SF VET Better them than us. The French and the Belgians continue to milk their former colonies so it is in their economic interest to keep a friendly government in power. Besides, the French keep elements of the Legion in Africa for this purpose. Our interest should be the narrow goal of defeating Muslim radicals who present a worldwide terrorist threat.

 

AGREE

RedWanderer
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What the hell's happening with the French these days?  First they throw out a 75% tax increase, and now they're manning up in Africa.   Good to see.

RedWanderer
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Edit to post:  meant 75% tax rate, not increase

ArcticWarrior
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Germans are in also?

 

http://english.ruvr.ru/2013_01_11/French-German-troops-land-in-Mali/

 

Old PH2
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To get a nice timely news feed of what's going on over in the Sahel look at Alex Thurston:

 

"New post on Sahel Blog Africa News Roundup: Mopti Area Clashes, Malian Refugees, Lake Chad, and More by Alex Thurston

More on the clashes around Mopti, Mali and on international reactions:

NYT: "Mali Government Is Left Reeling After Islamists Take Village Long Held by Army." The village in question is Konna (more on the conquest of Konna from France24 here). NYT adds, "The Islamists now threaten a major airfield some 25 miles away at the town of Sévaré, which is also the home of a significant army base. And 10 miles from Sévaré is the historic river city of Mopti, the last major town [i.e., in this area] controlled by the Malian government, with a population of more than 100,000." Information from different sources is still highly confusing and contradictory at times; for example, NYT describes Konna as "a sleepy mud-brick village," while France24 calls it "a city of 50,000 people." Al Jazeera: "UN urges swift deployment of troops to Mali"AP: "President Francois Hollande said Friday that France will be ready to intervene to stop al-Qaida-linked militants in Mali who have been moving toward its capital." According to Sahara Medias (Arabic),  four planes carrying French special forces arrived in Sevare from Chad on Thursday night. More here.Reuters: "France, Nigeria and Senegal are already providing Malian government forces with assistance on the ground against Islamist insurgents, a defense ministry spokesman said on Friday."

IRIN:

In Mbéra refugee camp in eastern Mauritania, home to 55,000 Malians, just under one child in five is malnourished, and 4.6 percent are severely malnourished - two to three times the national average, according to a just-released November survey by NGO Médecins sans Frontières (MSF).

IRIN again:

Around 800 Nigerien families have been relocated from areas along the River Niger as water levels during annual flooding are expected to rise above normal and last until February.

The river is predicted to rise 540-565cm, which while not as high as recorded during the August 2012 flooding when it rose to 618cm, is above the 530cm alert level, the Niger Basin Authority said in a recent statement.

The flooding comes just a few months after more than 500,000 people were displaced and over 80 killed by floods in Niger following torrential rains in August and September 2012 which inundated thousands of rice farms.

On January 7, a Senegalese man set himself on fire outside the residence of President Macky Sall, and died the following day. "Cheikh Mbaye, 32, apparently said that life was better under ex-President Abdoulaye Wade, local media report."

Reuters: "Two weeks of fighting in Sudan's Darfur has displaced 30,000 people who are in need for food and shelter, the United Nations said after some of the worst clashes in the western region for months." Recent UN News reports here and here.

Horseed Media: "Turkish Doctors to Train Specialists in Somalia"

Two on Nigeria:

Bloomberg: "The Nigeria police introduced a code of conduct for its officers to deal with allegations of extra- judicial killings and other abuses made by rights groups including Amnesty International."Al Jazeera: "Once counted as the largest water reservoirs in Africa, Nigeria's Lake Chad is rapidly shrinking due to excessive use and climate change. The lake supplies water to four different countries, but it could dry up by the end of the century."

What else happened this week?"

RedWanderer
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 @Old PH2 

 

Thanks, OldPH2. Excellent stuff.

American Infidel
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SOFREP called it perfectly: see http://sofrep.com/14365/battle-for-mali-coming-soon-2013. I'm glad the French have decided to buck up. I know US SOF are already operating in Mali ... Any thoughts on US role/involvement going forward?

American Infidel
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Ya'll called it perfectly: see http://sofrep.com/14365/battle-for-mali-coming-soon-2013. I'm glad the French have decided to buck up ... I know US SOF are already operating in Mali ... Any thoughts on US role/involvement going forward?

LauraWalkerKC
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Airstrikes and commando raids, oh my.

ArcticWarrior
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Apparently the French are busy and sadly even lost a few in Somalia.

 

https://twitter.com/HSMPress

Matt Eroffact
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 @ArcticWarrior 

Frome french press, a DGSE (French intelligence agency) agent have been killed in the fights, another is MIA (probably kidnapped during the fights), and the French hostage his pressumed dead...

ArcticWarrior
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 @Matt Eroffact

 After the Uk and Canada the French have taken the next highest hit by the Allies in OEF.

 

http://icasualties.org/OEF/Nationality.aspx?hndQry=France

 

 

 

 

Jaycel Adkins
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 @Matt Eroffact  @ArcticWarrior http://www.english.rfi.fr/africa/20130112-french-soldier-killed-failed-somali-hostage-rescue-bid-shebab-claims

Old PH2
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OOPs, forgot the obligatory French surrender Joke:

http://www.hyscience.com/archives/SurrenderSongs.jpg

 

But don't think it's true, despite the political chicanery in Afghanistan, the French are some serious warriors.  They are clearly a good choice to send into Mali, just don't know what impact they will have.

Old PH2
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Well, I wondered how long this would take.  The French are going to do the exact same thing they did as the colonial masters of Mali.  They are going to lop off heads and exhibit them on pikes.  Sevare is the logical staging point for penetrations into the hinterland.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=mali&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&sa=N&tab=wl

 

It's a shame considering the success the earlier governments of Mali have had in settling the Tuareg.  AQIM has shit tons of money and weapons, The Tuareg had heavy representation in Libya and in Afghanistan, these fellows can fight, they are just lacking funding.  Lucky for AQIM the Tuareg are almost muslim and have the connections to smuggle stuff through the Sahel as well as trans Sahara.  Oh yes, the French have seriously opened a can of worms.  

 

So Jack, as much as we talk about things heating up in the Sahel.  I personally feel the weight of AQIM is probably in Nigeria not Mali.  Do you see this move by the French, the UN, and the African Union as a way to nibble at the edge while they wait for the US to get funding and momentum to enter Africa?

ArcticWarrior
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 @Old PH2

 Its a pretty significant escalation. Odd that the last French Combat troops left OEF-A last week and they are engaged in combat operations in Mali and Somali simultaneously. Hmmm they are reporting new French President Francois Hollande has summoned the war cabinet. Been on the job a week or so, guy is apparently serious just yesterday he dropped the hints - http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/french-president-says-he-is-ready-to-stop-malian-insurgents-advance-if-it-continues/2013/01/11/45127fa4-5bdb-11e2-b8b2-0d18a64c8dfa_story.html

danielrs
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 @ArcticWarrior  @Old PH2 He has been President for 8 months

ArcticWarrior
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 @Surf375  @danielrs  @Old PH2

 You hit on a lot of good points and you already know my experiences and opinions in Mexico and Central and South America.

 

I prefer Sam Kinison's opinion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN7ehccspao

Surf375
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 @ArcticWarrior   @Old PH2 

 

We have more traction in the SE Asia region, so our focus should be there, others we'll just have to contain and play Zero Dark Thirty every now and then. Here's Barnett's Core/Gap map:

http://nwn.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/core_and_the_gap_1.jpg

 

 

Surf375
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 @ArcticWarrior  @danielrs  @Old PH2 

 

"the French, the UN, and the African Union as a way to nibble at the edge while they wait for the US to get funding and momentum to enter Africa? "

 

All this is likely by design. Everyone pull out of Af-Pak area, then focus on each's areas of worries.

 

For Europe, UK/France/Germany especially, what happens in both North Africa and sub-Saharan Africa affects then directly.

 

Let Russia/China/India worry about Af-Pak.

 

We worry about our backyard, Mexico and all below.

 

Containment.

 

As for us in Africa, China's probably better off owning that mess. God knows their policies are much more better suited for the realities of Africa, than our "We are the World" policies ever wielded anything worth writing home about.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9BNoNFKCBI

 

 

ArcticWarrior
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 @danielrs  @Old PH2

 Yes , you are correct.

Matt Eroffact
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This morning, the press agency LePoint said from some source that a Special Operations chopper (probably from 4ème RHFS so, since that's the only SOF helicopter regiment in the ALAT) had been shot down and a pilot killed in the crash, and two more Gazelle crash landed while RTB...

There is no confirmation yet, but if it's true, please have a thought for the killed pilot. 

Matt Eroffact
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A quick update, apparently there wasn't any crash, but a Gazelle's pilot had been killed by small arms fire, RIP Lt Damien Boiteux, 4RHFS.

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