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by Brandon Webb · January 14, 2013 · Posted In: SOF News

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majrod

@Tango9 remember when I taked about going to one of these gun buy back events and picking up some deals?

http://dcxposed.com/2013/01/27/seattle-gun-buyback-gets-jacked-turns-into-a-damn-gun-show-lol/

majrod

@Tango9 Thought you'd be interested...

http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/police-chief-we-can-disarm-americans-within-generation

TKW406

@majrod @Tango9

"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." ― Abraham Lincoln

oldSquid

San Diego... h-m-m-m-m... wonder if he's been visiting 'medicinal' shops?

majrod

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Writer at the Chicago tribune can't tell the difference between a sling swivel and a bayonet lug as this neophyte tries to explain weapons to the even less knowledgeable. Not joking which is why it's so funny.

http://soldiersystems.net/2013/01/21/a-tidbit-chicago-buffoon/

oldSquid

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just as a historical note, during the late War for SOuthern Independence, bayonets wounds counted for less than about 4 % of all battlefield wounds. It was used more commonly as a cooking utensil, 'hole or rifle pit digger' or even as a candle holder

Tango9 moderator

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@majrod On day 2 of SHOT there were loads of hippie media around. You could spot them. This doesn't surprise me in the least. This is why the SHOT team stopped accepting media applications right after the sandy hook shootings: it'd be a circus of dumbassery.

majrod

@Tango9 Excellent call!!!

LauraKinCA

Jack posted this on his FB page and I thought I would share it. A quick vid about a list of the Democrat legislator's proposals that were not to be made public. The list is written below the video, lead off with confiscation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryUbJfg4tAo&feature=youtu.be

majrod

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Rassmussen survey that's helpful next time you run into an anti 2nd amendment nut.

"Not surprisingly, 72% of those with a gun in their family regard the Second Amendment as a protection against tyranny. However, even a majority (57%) of those without a gun in their home hold that view."

Comes in handy to crush the premise that the 2nd amendment is about hunting or self defense.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/gun_control/65_see_gun_rights_as_protection_against_tyranny

Tango9 moderator

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@majrod Additionally, most people misunderstand the phrase "well regulated" in the 2d. It doesn't mean subject to regulation, in the time and context of its writing, it meant well trained and/or disciplined.

majrod

@Tango9 Treu. Welcome back.

If you have a link to your point I'd like it so I could use it in my next confrontation with an anti 2nd amendment nut.

LauraKinCA

@majrod @Tango9

This isn't a reference per say, but this is a video Quin posted as part of the latest Chairborne Commandos Radio show about the Battle for Athens TN in 1946, where the veterans armed themselves to take back an election the corrupt officials were trying to steal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5ut6yPrObw&feature=player_embedded

Tango9 moderator

@majrod "The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it."

http://constitution.org/cons/wellregu.htm

Tango9 moderator

@majrod standby

majrod

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If anyone is looking for a lively anti 2nd amendment "debate" check out this one (Warning: It will piss you off).

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/01/16/does_the_nra_want_to_turn_america_into_afghanistan

The article starts with the author creating a strawman that we're becoming another Afghanistan and the goes downhill. It's entertaining to see how ignorant those who consider themselves intellectual elites are about many basic facts as it applies to the 2nd Amendment.

ClownPatrol

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@majrod What really raised my blood pressure was the comment section of that FP article! I live in Los Angeles and I hear lots of left-wing blathering coming from clowns in their Che Guevara t-shirts. Do they not remember the Los Angeles riots of 1992? They have no idea how important a weapon is when the LAPD can't service 911 calls. Lots of fools in this city and we have (hands-down) one of the stupidest mayors you will ever meet. The majority of our firearm deaths are due to gang activity and I could care less about those insects but I need to keep them away from my quiet corner here! There is no excuse for the state of our liberal-run cities and it has nothing to do with the Second Ammendment or gun enthusiasts and everything to do with the bone-head civic leaders and these silly coffee-house intellectuals..

HugeFan moderator

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@ClownPatrol @majrod Nevermind the riots in '92 but the Watts Riots were the real record setters in my view. Either way, the idea that confiscating weapons or restricting the ability/means by which a citizen has to defend their person is ludicrous and I honestly feel that that is putting it mildly!

majrod

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Anyone have the definition/reference of "militia" that a poster shared on SOFREP weeks ago?

Specifically that the militia is everyone not just the national guard or uniformed personnel?

hjw1dr

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@majrod The right for individuals to bear arms was to make sure the population was armed in order to overthrow a tyrannical government.

At its core, gun-control is about submission, not crime.

Some historical, foundational commentary:

George Mason, principle author behind the Bill of Rights, advised, “What is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.” Later Mason clarified, “A well-regulated militia, composed of the Gentlemen, Freeholders, and other Freemen was necessary to protect our ancient laws and liberty from the standing army.” Bearing arms remains an inalienable “right of the people.” Mason wanted each man to suitably furnish for himself weaponry, supplies and training.

James Madison articulated a foundational principle informing our Constitution, “All men having power ought to be distrusted to a certain degree.” Proper suspicion of political authority remains pivotal to America’s lasting liberty. Madison later noted in Federalist 46, “Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, …” Madison considered decentralized government and gun rights as the essential checks against despotic rulers.

The Second Amendment provides a final redoubt guarding what remains of the other freedoms enumerated in the Bill of Rights. Or, as Harald Zieger, an émigré from behind the Iron Curtain, neatly summarizes, “America is the greatest nation on earth because it’s the only one with a First Amendment. We’re the only nation with a First Amendment because we’re the only one with a Second Amendment.”

A well-armed citizenry erects a necessary buttress against tyranny.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/billflax/2013/01/15/the-2nd-amendment-is-what-makes-the-other-nine-possible/

majrod

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@TKW406 LOL, yes. He wouldn't stand a nanosecond around here which is a tribute to the site. It's easy to get to shithead. He connected his google profile to his account and i just call him by his real name. Drives him NUTS!

@hjw1dr @LauraKinCA @oldSquid

TKW406

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@majrod You weren't kidding about that Shitbuster guy, were you? What a dick head!

@hjw1dr @LauraKinCA @oldSquid

hjw1dr

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@majrod I remember there was the part that was a quote from a SCOTUE too. I think it was back in 1890 or 1910? Can't remember either.

I haven't responded to the other thread. I could tell he was silly as soon as he quote the stats on suicide. And was tired last night. Besides... I don't really care if he loses or wins the argument.

Just thought I'd give others the founder's quotes.

The S-guy in the article is a jerk. :)

majrod

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@hjw1dr @LauraKinCA @oldSquid Disregard the thread. It's gone to shit, literally. Typically happens whenever shitbuster (schniebster) shows up but it was worthwhile for a bit.

majrod

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@hjw1dr That was part of it. Someone had also posted some US statute from the last century (1902 comes to mind) that said the same thing. I think it was cited as part of a SCOTUS opinion as well. I'm annoyed at myself that I didn't document it. That sort of stuff just stuns the ignorant like a grenade simulator in a pond does to fish. (They just float to the top.)

Thanks!

LauraKinCA

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@majrod

Sounds like someting @arcticwarrior would have posted, but no clue how many days ago or in which of the gun control threads.

LauraKinCA

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@majrod

Geez... had a hard enough time getting through the bs in the article and then the comments....

hjw1dr

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@LauraKinCA @majrod Thanks Majrod. Wow...What a thoroughly silly, rambling argument this guy goes on about in that article. He starts by describing his own drunken youth (which makes me wonder if he was drunk when he wrote the article), draws an illogical parallel to Afghanistan (is he saying that NRA advocates are tribal?) and then goes into a confused rant that American culture isn't violent enough to justify guns-- unlike Afghanistan's need for guns due to the "realpolitik" of the place. (see how smart he is? He can use big words! )

He then suggests American cuture has never solved problems with guns... uhm... and so what? (If you follow that logic, then doesn't that mean guns are not a factor because gun ownership has not affected resolution of civil problems?)

where does this guy live? He should try living in inner city Chicago... try taking a jog at 10 PM along the south-side and see how far he gets. Or better yet, go to El Paso. He can linger along the highway, and watch a few stray bullets hit the walls of elementary schools in the US, from gun fights on both sides of the border.

HugeFan

@majrod @hjw1dr @LauraKinCA You and I agree firmly on that one. America has had enough of those types of folks, politics first became a career and then a field of study... There is something intrinsically wrong with that.

majrod

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@HugeFan When McCrystal first started making the scene I was impressed by his credentials. That brightness quickly dimmed as I listened to what he said/did.

The ROE restrictions he put in place in Afghanistan were ridiculous and politically dictated. The Rolling Stone incident portrayed a frat house atmosphere. His book interviews featured a kid glove approach to current policy. When he came down in favor of gun control the coffin was already nailed shut for me. The guy's a politician with his finger in the air figuring out which direction the wind is blowing. America has had enough of that.

@hjw1dr @LauraKinCA

HugeFan

@majrod @hjw1dr @LauraKinCA "McCrystal is positioning himself for a political career. He'll be foloowing in the shoes of Wes Clark."

That is supremely discouraging. I thought that McCrystal would be a voice of reason like Blake and his brothers but I felt the same as you had stated Rod: He's angling for his run on whoever's ticket in 2016.

majrod

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@HugeFan "Discussion" like "civility" means different things to them.

McCrystal is positioning himself for a political career. He'll be foloowing in the shoes of Wes Clark.

@hjw1dr @LauraKinCA

HugeFan moderator

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@majrod @hjw1dr @LauraKinCA Gen. McChrystal didn't do a whole lot for the 2nd Amendment when he was interviewed by Jon Stewart. I was actually pretty dismayed by what he said.

We were told as a nation that there would be a "discussion" and that it was "time" to have it. I was cool with that, I mean let's talk. Right? Instead, less than a month later some states are stepping on their own dicks banning this and restricting that and then the POTUS comes out with these "decrees" (READ: executive orders) that infringe upon a citizen's 2nd Amendment right. Where and when did this "discussion" take place? Were any of called? Apparently, I missed the meeting. The condescension on behalf of the gun control lobby is palpable.

majrod

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@hjw1dr What's really scary is that he's supposedly an LTC. Someone from the LA Times was trying to track him down for a piece on disaffected NRA members. Yeah! Really!

@LauraKinCA

oldSquid

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@majrod

But Major, the Second Amendment was designed to protect our right to hunt. Everybody knows the government always has our best interest at heart and would never become something that could destroy our freedoms, enslave us and become tyrannical....

If you believe any of that s**t, I've got a bridge and some oceanfront property to sell - cheap! ;-)

Txazz

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Sheriffs, State Lawmakers Push Back on Gun Control

Thursday, 17 Jan 2013

From Oregon to Mississippi, President Barack Obama's proposed ban on new assault weapons and large-capacity magazines struck a nerve among rural lawmen and lawmakers, many of whom vowed to ignore any restrictions — and even try to stop federal officials from enforcing gun policy in their jurisdictions.

"A lot of sheriffs are now standing up and saying, 'Follow the Constitution,'" said Josephine County Sheriff Gil Gilbertson, whose territory covers the timbered mountains of southwestern Oregon.

http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/Gun-Control-Pushback/2013/01/17/id/471825?s=al&promo_code=11FA7-1

Contagio

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Never one to start a contentious conversation......I am currently looking at options for carrying and am weighing the pros/cons of appendix vs. 4 o'clock and Crossbreed vs Minotaur. Let the games begin!

-BLACK-

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@Contagio I cant seem to appendix carry anything without it digging, poking or rubbing. I prefer the 4'oclock or right butt cheek carry. The crossbreed kits look like they are good to go.

Recon6 moderator

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@BLACK01 @Contagio I tried several of the 'carry positions' finally settled on SOB = small of the back holsters. It is almost impossible to notice and unless I am sitting in a really uncomfortable chair/seat doesn't bother me at all....

HugeFan moderator

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@BLACK01 You should contact that dude that made BW's holster. minimalist to the max and classy as hell!

-BLACK-

@Contagio @Recon6 I think leather is a superb option for deep carry or concealed carry. Kydex doesnt bend or budge one bit no matter how ell broken in it is whereas leather is a different story. The rigidity of kydex my make it a nuisance for concealed carry depending on the positioning and the persons stature.

-BLACK-

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@Recon6 @BLACK01 @Contagio Thats a good nugget right there. SOB carry allows one to access the pistol right or left handed too.

It takes a bit of practice but the ambi capability makes it worth it. For CCW, I would say SOB carry is the most discreet and most practical considering the whole idea behind it that people arent supposed to see that shit and "printing" is a sure as shit way to show all your cards.

Recon6 moderator

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@Contagio @BLACK01 I use the SOB, a leather model found on CTD, can be switched for IWB or SOB, doesn't have a 'Brand' on it, just functions well.....6

Contagio

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@Recon6 @Contagio @BLACK01 So what type of holster did you settle on? Especially with the lighter wardrobe. I am trying to kill as many birds with as few stones as possible. Being in OH, I could use ANYTHING during the winter months.

Recon6 moderator

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@Contagio @BLACK01 Good Luck, cc is such a subjective thing and it took me awhile before I was satisfied, especially with the warm weather wardrobe I have in Florida, t-shirt and shorts....6

Contagio

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@Recon6 @BLACK01 @Contagio I think that I may be able to do the SOB carry. Just ordered a Crossbreed SuperTuck and am hopeful that it will fit my needs whether I go 4 or SOB

Contagio

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@BLACK01 I am beginning to get that general impression from doing some "trolling" of the gun forums online. I just think that my preference of arms is going to be better off at the 4 anyway. Found a great breakdown done by a guy on one of the forums: http://vagunforum.net/carrying/crossbreed-comp-tac-mtac-which-t3424.html

It is the 10th or 11th reply down by rodh

momengineer

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I'm going to comment up here (livefyre is a bit screwy for me today)....this is only my opinon, but I think everyone (left, right, north, south) needs to simmer down a bit. Nothing is going to happen tommorrow, (government is never that quick or flexible) and so we need to give the process time to shake out....(well, unless you are in NY State...in that case, you have a year before it hits)

Julesy

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@momengineer Agree. A lot of the proposed laws are just knee-jerk reactions to mass shootings. Stricter laws do not lead to fewer incidents. Actually, most of the incidents happen in states that have the toughest gun laws. However, I have no problem with a background check as long as I don't have to fork over $ to get it (just like if I apply for a credit card, I don't have to pay for a credit check). But you can turn almost any object into an assault weapon--heck, I can turn my 5" stiletto heels into a weapon--LOL. I do have an issue with limiting what kind of guns a person can purchase. If someone has a clean record, why shouldn't he or she be allowed to buy what they want? Most of the people I know who own firearms own them for personal protection. My brother in law is one of the few I know who also has rifles for hunting.

oldSquid

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@southernbelle @momengineer

Only problem I see is that "comprehensive background checks will lead to registration, then confiscation. Long way 'round but still gets their goal accomplished. SAme thing happened in Germany in the late 30's.

Txazz

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@momengineer The conservative group FreedomWatch is suing the White House task force that led to the gun control proposals offered by President Barack Obama Wednesday. Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/freedomwatch-sues-gun-control/2013/01/16/id/471743?s=al&promo_code=11F8C-1#ixzz2IAoJq8NM

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