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Home » SOF News » Updates on French Raid in Somalia

Updates on French Raid in Somalia

by Iassen Donov · January 15, 2013 · Posted In: SOF News
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Please read this before reading the updates on the French Raid in Somalia:

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“Published: October 04, 1993: At least five American soldiers were killed and several were wounded today when a Somali militia shot down two American helicopters during United Nations military operations in Mogadishu, Pentagon officials said.

About 20 members of a faction led by a fugitive Somali fighter, Gen. Mohammed Farah Aidid, were taken into custody during the United Nations operation, including a high-ranking associate of the militia leader, the Pentagon said.

The operations continued into the night, and Pentagon officials cautioned that details, including the numbers of people killed and wounded, might change as more reports were received.”

This is one of the first stories published while the Battle of Mogadishu in 1993 was still raging. A clusterfuck to say the least, right? Nobody had intelligence of what was going on, but I’m sure people were making assumptions. Then a day later that “5 American soldiers” changed to “18 American soldiers killed.”

What did people think then?

We lost 18 of our best special operations soldiers, an American pilot was captured, and images of a US service-member’s body dragged through the streets of Mogadishu found its way to the television sets of millions of Americans.

Nobody knew the real story. Nobody knew the bravery and incredible odds our Rangers, Delta, and Night Stalkers faced until later on. The point I’m trying to make is that there has been lots of premature talk of “shitty training” and “lack of experience in French SOF.”

I think we should wait before we make assumptions and realize that teammates and families are grieving over the disaster that occurred a mere 3 days ago. Respect them for the bravery of going in and trying to get their fellow DGSE operative out of the hands of the enemy. Frankly we don’t know shit of what happened on the ground and should be respectful in our opinions/assumptions.

Latest updates following the raid

  • One French commando was killed on the ground whose body was left behind.
  • Another French commando was wounded and possibly taken hostage after being left behind as well. Militants are claiming that the man succumbed to his wounds and died shortly after. It’s  believed this man was the Ground Force Commander.
  • An estimated 50 commandos supported by 5 helicopters and U.S. Air Force gunships descended upon the target building followed by a sustained 45 minute firefight.
  • The hostage, Denis Allex, is believed to have been killed, according to the French (source unknown). Somali militants are stating he is alive and moved to an undisclosed location.
  • French ground forces believed to have been led by the DGSE’s Division Action (also known as the Service Action) and rumored to have been supported by elements of either the 1st Marine Infantry Parachute Regiment or the Commandos Marine – both military units operating under the French Special Operations Command.

(Neither of the two commandos have been identified thus far.)

Earlier today Somali militants posted a series of pictures on Al-Shabaab’s Twitter feed. The images include pictures of the recovered gear of the commando, as well as a picture of the fallen soldier, believed to be commander on the ground.

WARNING: Graphic photo of slain commando.

The fallen commando photographed by militants with his recovered weapons and gear.

The fallen commando photographed by militants with his recovered weapons and gear.

Commandos armed with MP7s and possibly 5.56 assault rifles.

Commandos armed with MP7s and possibly 5.56 assault rifles.

I will keep you updated over the next few days as new information is released.

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SEAN SPOONTS
SEAN SPOONTS 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Well, France has a way to go before it can become a first rate player in the SOF game.  It was not a perfect mission by any stretch of the imagination but it wasn't a bust either.  The Jihadists certainly didn't acheive their objectives either.  There will be no videos of hostages pleading for their lives.  There will not be years of negotiation over their release.  The Jihadist have no human leverage they can use to hobble operations in the region.  The will be no wall to wall media coverage that gives the bad guys a stage they can make speeches from.  It also reveals that the Jihadists value Africa very much and don't want to fight us face to face. It will be harder for them to take hostages after this. 

Pasik
Pasik 5pts

According to this site (http://www.marianne.net/blogsecretdefense/Somalie-l-echec-de-Bullo-Mareer-actualise_a915.html) (a journalist specialized in defense matters), the commando came on 4 EC725 Caracal plus one or two attack helicopter Tigre. The came from the assault helicopter and command ship Mistral.

Things went wrong when on ground they met with islamists fighters before the assault. They manage to call for reinforcement.

Without surprise effect and a larger opponent force than expected it was going to be messy. Article says that the extraction was "very hot".

It is not said in the article, but I've read that US Air Force was involved with an EC-130J for radio relay. 

mwnciboo
mwnciboo 5pts

This is, frankly, embarrassing, it undermines Western SF abilities. To attack and leave bodies and equipment has allowed our mutual enemy (al Shabab) a propaganda bonanza. No military action is ever a guaranteed win, no matter how much training, planning or how well equipped your Forces are. 

 

That said, you know that anyone that falls on the mission that their body will be desecrated if the raid doesn't go well and you leave the bodies behind. So even if you break off, you shouldn't be leaving Bodies and Material behind. Al Shabab will be emboldened by this knowing they can go toe to toe with the best and win. 

 

Anyone who thinks this is Al-Shabab Spin is deluded. If this raid had been a success the French would have openly lauded it in public and in the media, it didn't which is tantamount to saying "It did not go well".

 

 This now escalates in Algeria days later, though this can be put more at feet of MALI Islamic fighters and Al Qaeda sympathisers.  The West needs to grow some stones and take the fight to these organisations and eradicate them before we see more Planes flying into Skyscrapers or "God Forbid" worse when they get hold of CBRN stuff. 

 

 

StoneHunter
StoneHunter 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I don't think the French would have committed so many assets for a raid like this if they weren't sure the hostage was at the location. Maybe there was more resistance present than they expected, whatever happened something went wrong and obviously it got messy. Al-Shabaab is quick to try to spin the story in their favor by posting pics of the dead French commander and claiming that they still had "Denis Alex" and don't mention they lost 17 of their cronies.

 

It's a sad turn out for the families of the deceased and a bloody nose for the French military, but I hope that it awakens the rest of the nations that these dirt bags need to be dealt with, and not just by the US.

ThomasVictorio
ThomasVictorio 5pts

 @StoneHunter I'm certainly in the camp that wants to see these criminals get their day of reckoning.

 

I don't think France hesitates that much compared to the US when it comes to responding to terror threats, especially domestic, however the country's intel resources (HR, databases, etc.) are less developed. This was referenced a lot in the media during last year's siege of M. Merah.

 

Quick note, the French outfit in the raid is paramilitary instead of MIL. Comparable to Langley's SOG.

KineticFury
KineticFury 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

R.I.P. Allex, you were not forgotten

Matt Eroffact
Matt Eroffact 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

The first DGSE agent killed during the operation hasn't been left behind, he died of his wounds on the LHD Mistral.RIP Capitaine Patrice Rebout, 11e Choc (DGSE Service Action), former 8 RPIMa soldier.

ArcticWarrior
ArcticWarrior 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

Very carefully arranged photo, notice the distinct placement of the crucifix? Image is worth a thousand words. Shrewd work on the propaganda front via social media.

Somalia is a hard place......

hjw1dr
hjw1dr 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ArcticWarrior  that pic raises my rage level.

Txazz
Txazz 5pts

 @ArcticWarrior I must be losin' it - Help me out AW - where is the crucifix?

ArcticWarrior
ArcticWarrior 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @Txazz  The above photo is blacked out for respect for the fallen

 

When these shitbags released the tweet with the raw images his crucifix is pulled out from his uniform in plain view for the camera to highlight and send a message

 

Txazz
Txazz 5pts

 @ArcticWarrior have mercy - I thought it was just me - actually I did see the crucifix in the graphic pics.  I was looking in here which was a beeeg mistake.  Thanks.

deadhorse
deadhorse 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Txazz  You can see it in the "graphic pic" link. :(

 

shagstar
shagstar 5pts

I've said it before,,this disease called Media/propaganda,,needs too be chained to a short leash and muzzled! the average civi does not need to know  WTF any NATO militaries are doing until such time it can be safely and accurately  revealed. even then,,any op involving SOG's is NONE of they're fuk'n business.

 

Remember Benghazi 

Baker32
Baker32 5pts

 @shagstar Um, ok.  You want to tell that to Al-Shabaab?  The days of the public not knowing about these type of operations are long gone.  Especially when they go bad. 

shagstar
shagstar 5pts

 @Baker32 

eat me!!  douche bag!

Old PH2
Old PH2 moderator 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

Une bonne vie, une bonne mort, que peut un homme aspirent à?

Mi6lethaltool
Mi6lethaltool 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

We don't want to die but since we have to can you name a better way than helping your comrades?  that commando die a great dead! I feel pity for those who die old.

Africanadian
Africanadian 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @Mi6lethaltool I respect his sacrifice, but I'd rather not see any good guys die. I subscribe to Gen. Patton's maxim:

 

"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."

 

The gloves need to stay off, and these scum in Somalia, Mali, Afghanistan etc must be shown no mercy or respite. Again as the good general said:

 

"We're not going to just shoot the sons-of-bitches, we're going to rip out their living Goddamned guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks. We're going to murder those lousy Hun cock suckers by the bushel-fucking-basket. War is a bloody, killing business. You've got to spill their blood, or they will spill yours. Rip them up the belly. Shoot them in the guts."

 

RIP to those who have made the ultimate sacrifice for our freedom.

ColonelProp
ColonelProp 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 6 Like

Thanks for the sobering reminder of the cost we ask of our men to protect our freedoms. Excellent point to hold off based on the experiences we have had with media since ~ 1913.

MedicSteve2
MedicSteve2 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Excellent approach, Iassen. It's the warrior who, knowing more accurately the price of action, is more sober in approach to it. Once action is needed, the internal switch is turned in, and step cautiously out of the line of attack. Getting all available intel before acting is a lesson learned through pain and expense.

Txazz
Txazz 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Somali Islamists kill French hostage, claiming retribution By Ben Brumfield, CNN January 16, 2013 -- Updated 1138 GMT (1938 HKT)

(CNN) -- Islamist militants had been saving one last blow to deal to France after its military conducted a bloody, unsuccessful hostage rescue attempt in Somalia Friday.

Al-Shabaab declared Wednesday that it has killed the hostage. In the war of words, it was important to the militia to announce the killing occurred not during but after the raid -- as retribution for it.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/01/16/world/africa/somalia-hostage-dead/?hpt=hp_t3

Iassen Donov
Iassen Donov 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

 @Txazz He most likely died during the raid and this is yet another PR move to elevate them as the ones "in control"

Txazz
Txazz 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @Iassen Donov Yes, I believe you are right..  Thank you writing this article as you are one who well knows..  My prayers are for the families.

GoNavy
GoNavy 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 11 Like

Thank you for the post and reminder. To anyone on this post that are from France, may your fallen countrymen rest in piece and appreciate their sacrifics to standing up to these terriorists. I wish more nations would step up to these terriorists.

gunslinger6
gunslinger6 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@GoNavy I agree!

JWS8
JWS8 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

Wait for the "fog of battle" to clear until we have the facts.  RIP fellow warriors and give strength and wisdom to those who are in harm's way. 

 

DSSTactical
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Having been in Somalia it was a cluster fuck to end all cluster fucks those of us that do  know aren't talking to this day. Let them grieve, let them heal no arm chair generals are needed here. God be with them all and may Gods Grace find them safely home with their brothers in arms waiting to welcome them. May their families find support from all of us around the world who truly know what they are going through. 

StormR
StormR 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @DSSTactical Thank you for finding exactly the right words, and just thank you.

poidog22
poidog22 5pts

Time to cluster bomb the fuck out of that camp.

SThomp86
SThomp86 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 8 Like

I can honestly say sofrep has some of the most level headed reporting on current and on going combat and political situations. It takes time to separate the facts from the heresay and even after that it can still be tricky because think about it. Standing on the right side of the room and standing on the left you see two different things (similar but not the same). What I'm saying is even when you go directly to the people involved they are going to have witnessed different things. Thus why intel can have a very different view on things then ground troops and why stories of conflicts can get so muddled. That being said it is always a step above tragic when something like this happens and victims bodies are displayed for the world like this.

StormR
StormR 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 9 Like

Thank you for reminding us of what is important in this tragedy.  This is one of the times when I'm grateful that I have no experience or knowledge in this kind of matter and would not have been tempted to be an armchair quarterback. 

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