SHOT Show Debrief Day One: Special Guest, Former Ranger Nick Irving

 @iceviking  @Androus  @Recon6 Hah!  There is a language called "Canadian!"  it's a bastardization of english, french, and beer.

@iceviking @Androus IV, apparently you assume you are the grownup, therefore, we won't delve into your premise. I will again turn you to the Constitution, surely someone as 'grownup' as you will understand it's meaning as determined twice by the S.C.....6

@iceviking You are Correct, we are not getting involved in a 'heated debate'....6

 @Androus  @Recon6 Dude, common, you're a smart guy, you have an internet connection!? :) The body of your argument is to draw an analogy between a war torn country, filled with religious extremists that are battle hardened over decades with cultural differences so far away from ours they might as well be martians (excluding the awesome display of humanism and heroism by the the small village that saved Marcuss Luttrell) and our United States? Down here on the Eastern Shore I've never had the need for anything more than a mean look and possibly a small fire arm.

Secondly: No you're wrong, times and needs change as do tactics. We don't conduct warfare in rigid single line formations marching against each other. And we don't need have the same civil needs as then.

Thirdly , there's no such language as "Canadian".

Fourthly , some civi's need to play bad ass in the woods does not supersede the risk of some dude doing way too much damage in a short time span.

Lastly; google; straw man argument and ad hominem arguments before you start playing with the grownups.

 @iceviking  @Recon6  "These weapons won't protect you from tanks, drones, or special forces beds"??? Well the Afghans fought off the US and the Russians for about 20 years combined, armed with nothing but Enfields and AKs, so history has proven you 100% wrong. Furthermore, if our forefathers in 1775 had thought your way, there would be a picture of the Queen on our currency and we'd be speaking Canadian.

Also, did it occur to you that there are plenty of civilians who make it a point to train pretty hard with our military-pattern weapons, on our own time and our own dime??

 @Txazz "As NBC put it in its article headlined “Are You Too Sick to Own a Gun,” this includes everything “from gun owners avoiding mental health treatment to therapists feeling compelled to report every patient who expresses a violent thought.”

BINGO. Notice how this angle fits hand-in-glove with the Obamacare laws? If you've been to the doctor lately, you may have noticed some new questions have been added to the usual paperwork you fill out-- Questions like, Do you own a gun? And, Is it kept locked up in a safe place? Funny questions for a doctor to be asking, out of the blue, and apropos of nothing. If they were REALLY concerned about mental health, you'd start asking these questions AFTER the patient has been diagnosed... and NOT before. On the other hand, if your agenda was to identify targets for disqualification, you'd obviously ask the gun question first, wouldn't you??

People need to start connecting the dots. This fucker is positively evil.

 @Androus Another timely article today.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/21/are-you-too-sick-to-own-a-gun-nbc-news-lays-out-scary-scenarios-in-new-gun-control-push/

As the debate over gun control continues, so too does discussion about the role mental illness plays in it. NBC News reports experts saying the weight of adding mental illness into the mix might carry some unintended consequences. As NBC put it in its article headlined “Are You Too Sick to Own a Gun,” this includes everything “from gun owners avoiding mental health treatment to therapists feeling compelled to report every patient who expresses a violent thought.”

NBC pointed out that Obama has cited the need for improved reporting of mental health to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System. Given that only seven states account for 98 percent of those prevented from owning guns for mental health reasons, it’s clear there are holes in reporting.

here’s a Slight Problem With NY’s Hastily-Made New Gun Laws: They Forgot to Exempt Cops!

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/18/theres-a-slight-problem-with-nys-hastily-made-new-gun-laws-they-forgot-to-exempt-cops/

In their rush to push through tough new gun control laws, the New York State Legislature made a huge mistake: They failed to exempt police officers from the regulations regarding “high-capacity magazines.”

This means that when the new laws take effect in March, it will be illegal for any law enforcement official to carry a magazine that holds more than seven rounds. For point of reference, almost every law enforcement agency in the state uses handguns that carry 15 rounds.

 @Androus  @AME1  @Androus 

You have some good points. As the guys were saying most of these laws were put into place just to give the politicians the warm fuzzes. So most of the laws that get enacted are BS. The bad thing about laws like this one is that law enforcement personnel don't arrest you for but the Lawyers and the Courts dumps on the individual so they have someone to blame.

Good talking to you.