Someone with better intel than I have, consider this possible scenario concerning Bengazi:
Assume the Obama Administration is trying to facilitate the movement of SA7 AA missiles from Libya to the Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda (those weapons were shipped from Bengazi to Syria through Turkey on Sep 12). Assume that this support was unknown to CIA and Patraeus (it was a rogue CIA / White House operation). To prevent the Ambassador or CIA officers from from interfering with or "outing" the movement of those weapons, Obama's people used their Muslim Brotherhood contacts to order a hit on the Ambassador, and then on the CIA annex.
This gives Obama the ability to have plausible deniability, blaming the operation on those who are actually trying to prevent the movement of arms. Neither Patraeus nor Clinton would have any knowledge of it. The only people with knowledge would be Obama (and his handlers), and his Muslim Brotherhood Handlers.
I do not believe that Webb's book gets all the way to the bottom of this story, but that he is onto something that stinks.
This seems to me to be Obama's version of Iran Contra. For you young guys, look it up. That was in my day...
@recon00 I agree with you, why else would Stevens be in Benghazi to only meet with the Turkish Ambassador. they sat there and saw the people photographing the compound. Stevens and Smith knew it was coming and nobody in Washington was listening..
@recon00 I can only pray this did not happen. If there is any truth to this I hope someone gets the proof to get this man out of office.
Ugh, I truly dislike her! Truly dislike her! I have no respect for anyone that doesn't respect themselves. And she is clearly a career driven politician. 1. she stood by Bill when he was accused, fine, stand by. BUT once he admitted he did Monica and she stood by him, I lost all respect for her. To allow someone to disrespect you like that just so you can stay in some sort of power, to stay in some sort of political office...ugh, disgusted by her! 2. She then moves to nyc to run for senate because she cares about NY?? lies!! all lies! it was all about running for Government. I have no respect for her, coward, spineless. She should have left bill. By her staying with him she sends a message that it's okay to allow someone to treat you like shit, lie to you and disrespect you. And this is coming from a male, she should have more self respect.
I would like to say the media is FOS . They are saying the American people don't care about Benghazi . I have one re post on my FB page it has over 10,000 likes I am one person in the medical field . I DO CARE!!
Did you all see Brenden was released from the hospital!!! He is staying for therapy,said he is up for the Challange. Two transplanted arms what a great spirit this young man seems to have God bless him!!!!!
"hilliary has a long career of pulling fabulous consequences out of lying for the men in her life" CLASSIC!!
Hey folks, not sure if anyone is interested, however, HC and Obama will 'appear' on 60 Minutes tonite, for what that is worth. Rather doubt they will 'enlighten' us wth Intel on Benghazi, especially since both are Guilty as hell for the entire fiasco.....6
@Recon6 So did you see ol' HC in Fox News last night? She was on Greta and I was really excited about this appearance, however, after watching the 'performance' I was sorely disappointed. Seems like it's going to take people like Brandon and the crew at SOFREP to get down to the truth of the matter. The sad part is, even knowing the truth, no one will be held accountable for the deaths of the patriotic Americans that lost their lives that day. If you saw it, your thoughts?
@haikurules Hello there, sorry to be so late in responding. Left for awhile yesterday after the dustup over Shag, but it's all good now. You seem to have joined the group, me included, that are Not fans of HC, lol. Not sure if you have joined the Team Room? or signed up for the ebook by BW and Jack? They are going to give us some good Intel on the True Benghazi debacle, and it won't be the b.s. spewed by O or HC for sure. Sadly, no one will ever be held accountable and those Heroes will never receive the recognition they absolutely deserve. So few of us remain that want answers, the multitudes don't aren't even aware of what happened, nor do they care, so damned sad for America....6
@Recon6 Hello there! No worries about the reply, shit happens. I have not joined the Team Room, just for can't afford to right now, but I did pre-order the book as soon as I saw it. Nope, not a fan of the O or HC at ALL. And yes, we are few, but I, for one, intend to make as much noise as I can about it, because those Heroes deserve better! But as you said, it is sad that such a thing can occur and no one seems to care. Guess if they would have been kids, then more people might be paying attention!
@Recon6 didn't watch it. Can't stand bulls**t oozing from the front of my tv.... and there is just something so FAKE about those two being nicey-nice....
@oldSquid Yepper, those two playing "Homeys" was sickening, the only thing missing was a basketball...learned this a.m. O likes to shoot 'skeet' when he is at Camp David? Proving he is a Real proponent of the 2dA, rather doubt he was sincere, he reminds me of a "Nancy Boy" type,.....6
@Txazz @Recon6 @Copecyn924 @LauraKinCA I understand completely! I lived 'around' Houston for almost 10 years while working in the oilfield. Texas is like they say - "a whole 'nother Country", and it gets in your blood. I have to go back every year ( for deer huntin' beer drinkin' and hell raisin') to get my 'fix'.
Only thing is, we still deer hunt and still beer drink - although not as much as we used to in our 'stupider' days - we're not getting older - just wiser... andwe don't raise near as much hell - same reason. ;-)
@Copecyn924 @oldSquid @LauraKinCA Okay now, I am beginning to understand. My 'relatives' you have heard me mention? All live in Missouri!! Glad to see y'all made it out, lol, MO is a good state to be From, imo, me, born in Florida....6
Hey Copy. OK. Where to start..... moved back to Tennessee after the Navy, went to college, met and married a cajun girl. She got me started drinking coffee (coonass coffee -coonass is another name for cajuns, sorta like redneck...), then I moved to Texas after our divorce and worked in the oilfield offshore - where they drink.... coonass coffee... so, I'm purty well addicted to it and need it to start my heart in the mornings.
The sillywater comes from 'roundabout these parts' in Tennessee - comes from a friend of a friend whose cousin knows somebody... clear as water but makes you plumb silly after a couple snorts. I do make a brew myself with blackberries, sugar, water , spices and good brandy. It's a recipe from the 1860's called a cordial - aptly named as I do a little re-enacting - or did... I'm about done as it is a younger man's deal...-and the ladies like it...
@oldSquid Medicinal sillywater and coonass coffee, just where the hell are you from???? HA!!!! Sounds like Missouri, not proud of it but that's where I'm from and I swear, I'm NEVER going back... Is the sillywater your own brew? I watch "Moonshiners!!"
I remember that commercial - I was a Ford guy at the time. Also remember somebody's (Dodge?) commercial about "don't drive no ugly truck".
Evening rants are mellowed with a touch of medicinal sillywater (works better than xanax) from a friend of a friend of a feller that knows somebody...
mornings are tougher - riding in to work, listening to talk radio and drinkin' my coonass coffee, something said will set me off and my blood begins to boil and I gotta let fly.. WIsh there were ranges around here like they had in Texas. Hell, the closest one to me is run by the State Wildlife ( they all are actually) and you gotta count rounds - and nothing over 100 yards. There are a couple indoor pistol ranges, but you gotta be 'static' and 'slow'
@Recon6 @Txazz @oldSquid ha ha ha ha ha dang! sounds like that mule kicked you backwards, and your nephew. I loved mine and kick didn't bother me - no better sense I guess. One time we ended up at a skeet thing the local newspaper sponsored and there were guys (including hubby) and me. They all felt sorry for me and kept sayin, 'here use mine, use mine'. LOL LOL I bought my hub a nice Baretta semi-auto shotgun. Sounds a lot like your wife. LOL
Laughing at the Chevy Truck ad - they've had some good ones.
@Txazz @oldSquid Tex, any 12 G is a great gun. Previously I posted ref. my dbl barrel made in 1937, and damned near broke my shoulder! Had my 24 yr. old nephew, Army guy, shoot it, same result, lol, kicks like a frkn Mule!! I will Never fire it again, and it is only a 12 G. Have a Remington Auto now, drooling over a Benelli M4, gotta get my Wife on that, it is probably on Feinstein's Ban List....6
@oldSquid Yeah, many years ago Chevy Trucks had a commercial, "This ain't no Nancy Truck", "Scars add Character" is a continuation I used on my wife, lol. Rant away brother, helps ease the anxiety, or just take a xanax!! I just go to the range and blast away my frustrations....6
@Recon6 @oldSquid I definitely agree with you on that "nancy boy type"comment. Anybody that purpotes to be male - and wears' mommy jeans', throws a baseball like a girl and can't get it past home plate, AND rides a bicycle with a styrofoam helmet has 'issues' in my book. Shoot skeet? I doubt it seriously - probably couldn't handle the recoil of a .410 - let alone afull sized 12 guage.... skeet shooter indeed.... probably doesn't even watch the 'real men' when THEY shoot skeet at David, because the noise of those scary guns is too loud... DAMN! I'm on a tear today - rant city....
I'm a channel flipper whenever Obama comes on the TV, he makes my skin crawl.. Think I'll past on 60 Minutes and catch the "Honey Boo Boo" marathon... HA!!! Take care...
@Copecyn924 I should have done likewise Cindy :( Unfortunately I watched both of them and became disgusted, knew it would be an 'Amen Corner' type of interview, gushing all over one another, pathetic display of two repulsive people lying to the audience.....6
@Copecyn924 LOL, of course not, I don't think many here watch 'Honey Boo', so I picked up on your 'meaning' rather quickly..6
6, please tell me you didn't resort to washing your eyes out with gasoline after viewing the evil twins?? HA!!! Thought I'd clarify something, I was being a "smart ass" when I suggested I'd be watching "Honey Boo!!" HA!!! I'm a Fox girl, spent the time with Mike Huckabee...
@Recon6 I think this is what you call payback a thanks for the cover . No one knows who gave the stand down order.(wink wink )
@Kim l Hi Kim, I am in total agreemnet. Each time I revisit what has occurred I became incensed all over again, and watching those two is revolting. I think Cindy had it right, just don't watch the bastards lie and perhaps it won't get all wonky for tonite.....6
@StormR @Kim Rec'd Stormy, seems 'Ugly' is the word of the month/year so far. Every way one turns leads to some other mess and needs to be addressed and will not be, I will follow your Lead and just remove myself from some things.....6
@Recon6 I have the same visceral reaction every time I see either one on Tv. I think there should be a type of warning before they spring one of them on us. I am terrified of spiders , get the same creepy feeling when I see one .They scare the shit out of me. I do not watch!!!
What I Iearned from the hearings.
You can claim responsibility but dodge accountability if you're a democrat.
You can say I didn't know/read the messages from the most dangerous embassy ine the world while being the Sec State of the United Stats and get away with it if you're a democrat.
This is political. If it were Republians there would be a special prosecutor, the press would covr it and Joe Shmoe would know how inept the administration is.
Hilary is a magnificent actress. She can go from almost breaking down to chuckling in 60 seconds. She will be formadible in 2016.
FTR, not saying republicans are much better in the competence area but they are held to account for their snafus and you don't get the political cover from fellow members of the party.
Two things - did they at any point blame George W. for Benghazi?
And, watching HC's "at this point" rant, did anybody else notice her looking down and apparently reading while she was being 'spontaneously irate'?
@majrod what i saw was a bunch of politicians asking a run on question. No one could remember what the question was. There were a few that asked a question, got an answer.I watched the whole thing.Still don't know who gave the stand down order? Where all all the people that Ty saved, except 1 is still at Walter Reed. I am just one of the concerned citizens ,.
I also need to add the name Sean and Ty . I always get ticked off when talking heads do not mention the names . So I am self correcting. Side bite we hear over and over the names of shooters that should never have had a weapon !!!!
Major thank you for responding to my post!!! This to me is more concerning than women in combat. Seems like all media are not wanting to discuss this topic. I was expecting it to be different here. A little disappointed . Again thank you for responding .
@majrod "FTR, not saying republicans are much better in the competence area but they are held to account for their snafus and you don't get the political cover from fellow members of the party. "
I have to admit that the Hurricane Katrina debacle sprang to mind when I read this. I think that it's the nature of politics that they protect their own - be it Dem or Rep. Yes, there is always a lot of sound and fury, but very little solid censure. I simply can't think of a time when either party didn't circle their wagons around a misbehaving member, and if the misbehaving member was - behind the scenes - pressured to resign, they always walked away with a hefty pension and a lucrative job waiting somewhere. I've seen this on the national, state and local level. Scandal and screw-ups seem to be about the only dang thing that unite politicians.
@StormR @Copecyn924 Wait !! "Maybe" ?? What is happening here? Shag said he might not make it, now he is "banned"?? I can't understand what is happening to the "Mafia"!! We are All supposed to make a concerted effort for this to happen, it is about US, hell not even Jack or BW will be there, this was designed by US! We each have 5-6 months to prepare for this 'Adventure', lol....6
@Copecyn924 I hope to go to CO in June, but I've had to downgrade from 'yes' to 'maybe'.
@StormR Are you coming to CO in June? If so, I'd love to sit down and chat with you, this is a long time dream of mine. I do quite a bit of volunteering, I've been so "blessed" that I truly believe in "giving back!!" Thanks for your quick response, I appreciate it big time....
@Copecyn924 Yes, I'm a volunteer with American Red Cross. Although I'm listed as a 'spiritual counselor', I'm fully certified in First Aid, Disaster Response, and Shelter Management. I've only responded to two major disaster relief efforts - Katrina and when Mt. Pinatubo erupted, in the Philippines (although I didn't travel to Philippines, but served at McChord Air Force Base with the evacuees. I do respond to local emergencies - fires, wind storms, etc. I would gladly encourage you to volunteer - it is an extremely rewarding experience. You are needed and you will make a difference during a critical period in people's lives.
@StormR Stormy, "boots on the ground?" Are you a member of the Red Cross, if so I'd love to bend your ear. That's what I want to be is a "first responder" for the Red Cross, once I retire...
@oldSquid @Tango9 Fortunately he is not diabetic. He's an old biker who has had a couple of bad crashes that caught up with him as he's grown older. In the last few years he's had a couple of back surgeries, surgery on his throat and a broken hip. I was serious when I said he's the toughest SOB I've ever known...remember that watch commercial, "takes a licking and keeps on ticking" - that's my bro, Boots :) The hardest part will be recovery when he gets impatient with the whole healing process. Fortunately, my son knows how to deal with him. Underneath that toughness is a soft fluffy heart and he can't say 'no' to his nephew :) If it gets really outta hand, I get called in and Boots swears he's afraid of me :)
@oldSquid @Tango9 oldSquid, it was a set of bad circumstances. Surgery went fine and doctor had intended to keep him in the hospital for rehab instead of moving him to care center, with the thought that it would lessen the possibilities of infection. However, the hospital got slammed with flu patients and doc thought the care center would be safer. First thing that happened is the care center over-dosed him on pain medication - the next day, his fever spiked and he was sent back to hospital. Infection had set in around the knee, and his kidneys went septic. Apparently that can happen quickly. Once the crisis is over, I can guarantee you that I will be talking to the care center - in a very loud voice. We'll have to wait and see how the infection progresses.
@Txazz @Tango9 Tx, I'll be having nightmares over Katrina until the day I die. Creator's about the only one I can talk to about it. I'm not sure words have even been invented that can be used for it. That's part of the reason I never press for descriptions when guys are sharing their combat experiences...there just aren't words for some things.
@StormR @Tango9 So sorry to hear about your friend. Yes, you must be whupped. A good friend went thru the same with her bro-in-law and it was a drawn out thing as they had to drive a distance. It was diabetes and he did lose his leg but, they finally got him to a rehab place pretty quick and we are all astounded how he has rebounded. Praying it works well for your friend.
ps: when you are rested up would like to hear about your Katrina 'boots on the ground' experience. Meanwhile may your heart rest in peace.
@Tango9 PS, T...I got no fight or argument in me right now. I spent a portion of the last 3 days sitting in ICU watching the toughest SOB I know fight for his life. Went into the hospital for a knee replacement and now he'll most likely lose his leg and be on dialysis for the reminder of his days - I'm just glad I can finally believe he'll have more days. Had lots of time for that 'perspective' thing and had ugly right up in my face. I'm whopped. So, how's the egg?