No Kidding There I Was…ST6/DEVGRU Book Sold To Publisher Pre-Mission

 @hjw1dr  @dmalert  @LauraKinCA I use that line all the time-"one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is never get involved in a land war in Asia."

 @dmalert  @CK5150  @LauraKinCA 

Loved this scene! 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_eZmEiyTo0

 @CK5150  @LauraKinCA Very cool movie

 @dmalert  @CK5150  @LauraKinCA  Princess bride!  Yes..! funniest dialogues... ever!

 @dmalert  @CK5150

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3W5GDkgf2w

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA Princess Bride. 

 @CK5150  @LauraKinCA Soul Collector or Princess Bride?

 @LauraKinCA  @dmalert one of my favorite movies ever.  

 @hjw1dr  @dmalert

 OK. Talk to you later too then.

 @LauraKinCA  @dmalert  I haven't been over there much.. I may check it out too... then head in. 

 @dmalert  @hjw1dr

 OK, catch you later. Have a good night.

 @LauraKinCA  @hjw1dr Yeah think I going to read a few other boards and call it a nite.  Great chatting guys.

 @hjw1dr  @dmalert

 i was popping back to the chessboard to catch up with Cor, J, vpi, and Red's comments.

 @LauraKinCA  @dmalert  Lfyre... slow or just taking a siesta? 

 @dmalert  @hjw1dr

 I did like those movies with soul collectors though.

 @dmalert  @hjw1dr

 I'd think eventually if it was soul collection, you would drive yourself nuts.

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  hey... brb... just a sec

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  You might have hallucinations from previous memories. 

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  Well, if vishnu is looking around in space... 

 @LauraKinCA  @hjw1dr Then there's schizophrenia.  You might have 100 different personalities 100 people in

 @dmalert  @hjw1dr

 Maybe he thinks these new beings will be soul collectors?

 @hjw1dr  @LauraKinCA Well since the scientist was Indian he should be aware of reincarnation so the inbound soul would have it's own agenda/life purpose and therefore you can just download John.  And Frankly Vishnu would be pissed.

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  I assume self awareness make someone sentient. 

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  Yeah... if the body awaits the soul in reincarnation... then putting the memories in may activate the soul. 

 @hjw1dr  @LauraKinCA Also what is it that makes humans sentient?

 @hjw1dr  @LauraKinCA So the assumption is Bill is a blank canvas and if he is not then the whole thing goes haywire and you get a human "Hal"

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCAActually he was an Indian... India. reincarnation.. and all. -- the scientist. Not shitty.  LOL

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  Shitty shits.... duh... and NOT on the paper. LOL

 @hjw1dr  @LauraKinCA Gujurati?

 @LauraKinCA  @hjw1dr LOL

 @dmalert  @hjw1dr

 Shitty is NOT my dog and is an off line discussion.

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  Actually he was an Indian... India. reincarnation.. and all. 

 @LauraKinCA  @hjw1dr Oh shit it's going downhill now

 @LauraKinCA  @hjw1dr Who's shitty?  Your dog?  What kind of fucked up name is that for a dog?

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  Actually, I think bill would prob be a zombie... for other reasons-- but too long to discuss here. 

 @dmalert  @hjw1dr

 Maybe John's friend Bob and Bob's clone Doug decide to mess with Bill and his DNA and suddenly John and Bill are Regina??

 @hjw1dr  @LauraKinCA So the scientist is probably an atheist, which is a problem because he's not considering the possibility that Bill might be more than a body that one can download data into

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  Oh.. I agree. the Cloning would be the hardest to do... since that's really fragile biologically.

 @hjw1dr  @dmalert

 well, Shitty thinks its funny...

 @LauraKinCA  @hjw1dr Maybe bill turns out to be a zombie.  You'd have to prove it out in a lab first.  Never say never, but I think it's tough.

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  This guy thought it was. I asked how long.. he estimated in 50 years for computer -brain download. Maybe 150 for the whole process. If we manage to stay on same course. 

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  Would it produce different strata of social humans... those who are enhanced.. and those who are "lower... unenhanced." 

 @LauraKinCA  @hjw1dr Right, but outside of ethics and logistics - not small hurdles to overcome - is it actually doable?

 @LauraKinCA  @dmalert  No... Laura... Shitty reminds me of Q. But Q was at least funny.  LOL

 @hjw1dr  @dmalert

 There starts the moral morass...

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  But there are strains of science that could adapt it. There are amultitude of moral difficulties.  Is a clone a separate person? Is the clone your property? 

 @hjw1dr  @dmalert

 hmmm... sounds like someone familiar... and I'm not talking about anyone here tonight.

 @LauraKinCA  @dmalert  Well, Q   was the ultimate Asshole. LOL

 @hjw1dr  @LauraKinCA I think the project is fraught with problems.

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  Yeah.. personally I think it was interesting... but I wouldn't want to do it. I believe in the soul

 @hjw1dr  @dmalert

 I mean, look how Q would always run amok with his immortal powers. Too heavy for me!

 @LauraKinCA  @dmalert   I'd probably be impatient with humans. Always the same problems people... grow up!  :)  Or I'd want to just find a cabin and stay away. 

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  Easier. yes. Where your body could take space is another thing

 @dmalert  @hjw1dr

 I don't think I want to be immortal anyway. Living through too much crap as it is. Become jaded after a few to 10 centuries, wouldn't you??

 @hjw1dr  @LauraKinCA See your point.  So I still say tough if souls exist.

 @hjw1dr  @LauraKinCA It might be easier to prevent humans from dying young so they live say 1k years

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  No... couldn't put your memories into me. We have different synapsis... memories are encoded to.

 @hjw1dr  @dmalert

 So you two covered my main issue and that I guess is the soul or essence or whatever that makes that person unique and not just a DNA clone.

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  Yeah.. but amazing what sci-fi leads to in real science. it's imagination that I think is most powerful tool in science. 

 @hjw1dr  @LauraKinCA So if souls exist then can you cram John's memories into Bill - I would think this would somehow violate laws of nature.

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  Oh... so busy typing.. didn't notice. Hey Laura! 

 @dmalert  @hjw1dr

 OK, back.

 @hjw1dr  @LauraKinCA Dog walk

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  where did Laura go? 

 @hjw1dr  @LauraKinCA The Asgard in Stargate SG would do this as they aged - just clone a new body, but again sci-fi.

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  that was the difference in philosophy... He was a rigid positivist. I am not.  Fantastic discussion over beer  and using napkins... 

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  Depends how bad of a douche he is. LOL

 @hjw1dr  @LauraKinCA Then I think we're back to the question of souls or not

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  Technically THeoretically you can clone from any cell that has complete DNA. (my understanding) 

 @hjw1dr  @LauraKinCA Would Bill stay in the closet though with DADT being gone?

 @hjw1dr  @LauraKinCA Can you clone from cells or do you also need an egg?

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  Bill is in the closet a long time.. he has to do something! 

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  LMAO...!  

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  Actually all you would need is the original body to clone off of. Plenty of cells to use. 

 @hjw1dr  @LauraKinCA How long to eggs last or frozen sperm?  Or would John just jerk off into Bill's closet?

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA   deep black.. and probably a lot of crazy too.!  LOL  It was a cool conversation. Just totally without thought of human affect.

 @hjw1dr  @LauraKinCA You would also have to have a lot of materials on board to clone say 100 people over time.

 @hjw1dr  @LauraKinCA Where it probably falls apart is on human cloning - project would have to be deep black LOL

 @hjw1dr  @LauraKinCA Meaning does Bill freak out.  Next 1,2....n times - Can clone number 50 handle all that data?  So how much can one brain store.

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  Is the soul our memories?  pretty metaphysical.  

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  But that is coming.. or possible eventually. If you have a perfect clone the brain patterns and synapses will match the memories. So it's possible.. but what happens to the soul. ?

 @hjw1dr  @dmalert

 That is my main problem with it too. Be back in 5 min... dog has to go out!

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  That's what I asked too... that's where scientist and I disagreed. He thought the soul was located in the brain. My view is it is apart of another... maybe a membrane- existence

 @hjw1dr  @LauraKinCA If souls are there - you can't transfer John's Consciousness, but perhaps the memories.  But what does having someone's entire life transferred into one's brain do?

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  They have the special Cosmo of the week... it's the Carl Sagan.   

 @LauraKinCA  @hjw1dr So assume all humans have souls.

 @LauraKinCA  @hjw1dr OK - so you're assuming you can transfer consciousness.

 @dmalert  @hjw1dr

 Kinda like a perk??

 @LauraKinCA  @hjw1dr Cocktails might excite Bill as well.  I wonder if they would have cosmos on board?

 @hjw1dr  @dmalert

 Shoot, my mind is spinning with questions!

 @LauraKinCA  @dmalert  Okay... only one question?  

 @hjw1dr  @dmalert

 I need a cocktail or three with this one!!

 @LauraKinCA  @dmalert  What can I say... I'm picky.  <hands on hios>

 @LauraKinCA  @hjw1dr So here's my question

 @LauraKinCA  @dmalert  Laura..  LMAO!! You're on a roll!  

 @hjw1dr  @dmalert

 fine... data shrine!

 @LauraKinCA  @dmalert  No... you clone your own body...  and I don't know about you.. but my body is not a dump!  

 @hjw1dr  @dmalert

 Don't give up! I like the concept. Just trying to wrap my mind around your paradigm shift.

 @LauraKinCA  @hjw1dr LMAO

 @LauraKinCA  @hjw1dr Hey don't talk about dumps Bill might prematurely come out of the closet if he gets excited.

 @dmalert  @hjw1dr

 John is still part of DADT and Bill has progressed.

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  Dm... I give UP  LOL <throw up hands>  

 @dmalert  @hjw1dr

 So Bill gets a data dump daily but stays in statis until John dies.

 @hjw1dr  @LauraKinCA So Bill's afraid John wouldn't approve?

 @hjw1dr  @LauraKinCA Right so John can be downloaded every night and when he dies like a backed up PC it gets transferred to Bill

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  bill stays in the closet!  LOL  He's allowed out only after Bill 1 dies.   lol

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  that are combined but separate. Computer download safety net... if you die. 

Then when you die.. or close to dying you have your new body ready...and you are downloaded by steps... like accelerated learning. 

 @dmalert  @hjw1dr

 Right!! And is Bill in some form of mental stasis where the body grows but is unaware until John is put in his head?

 @hjw1dr  @LauraKinCA Stored where?  Like in a closet?  So when does Bill come out of the closet?

 @dmalert  @hjw1dr

 enhanced ... like a DNA job I guess... but while you are enhancing, why not go for the gusto :)

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  You have to imagine 2 technologies.. 

 @LauraKinCA  @hjw1dr No I get what you're saying now.  It's like that Arnie movie where they keep cloning people.

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  Bill is stored, until the new body is developed. 

You have to mention boobs?  LOL

 @hjw1dr  @dmalert

 So John and Bill are clones. John is the first, Bill the second. You have to grow Bill and it can't be in a vacuum of perception and input to just "become" John at some time.

 @LauraKinCA  @hjw1dr Enhanced?  like a boob job?

 @LauraKinCA  @hjw1dr Right and what does this do to Bill's sanity?  Or is Bill a full grown clone with no memories?

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  No.. not into another person..  another body. Your body... but you have multiple bodies over the trip. You are cloned ... with DNA enhancement. 

 @dmalert  @hjw1dr

 Apparently you have to be enhanced first :)

 @hjw1dr  @LauraKinCA And teach the kids? 

 @dmalert  @hjw1dr

 But that is my issue with it. Bill may have John's memories, but he is still Bill.

 @hjw1dr  @LauraKinCA Wouldn't it be easier to put a bunch of men and women on a ship and then just screw a lot?

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  It could be placed into a new body.. "your body"  --- but it is DNA enhanced to handle gamma rays ...other space environment problems. 

 @hjw1dr  @LauraKinCA For example - when the tech is ready all of John's memories can be downloaded into Bill's?

 @hjw1dr  @dmalert

 That I can see easily, the data dump. I am struggling with if you die, getting the rest of the "human" into the clone to take up where the previous original or replica left off.

 @hjw1dr  @LauraKinCA So did the scientist indicate that you can download one person's memory into anothers?

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  I'm saying every night you go to bed, there is a DNA download to computer. If you die of an accident, you life is stored.  It's creepy.. I know. But interesting. 

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  It would be placed in a DNA enhanced person.. who cloned over the entire trip. 

 @hjw1dr  @LauraKinCA I think better propulsion is the way to go, but you're saying Joe Smith gets on board and when he dies his consciousness is loaded into a clone growing on board - repeat - ad infinitum?

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  Yes.. the engineering problems are huge. But as a first step to the stars-- that's what this guy in computers and I were chatting about. out there... but cool to think about.  

 @dmalert  @hjw1dr

 I would think you could preserve memories, but the emotion, the essence of the person. I don't see how that is coded to be emplaced in a computer, saved, enhanced, and returned to a clone to do it all over again.

 @hjw1dr  @LauraKinCA Voyager is something like 35 years out, but I would think components would go after a while.

 @LauraKinCA  @dmalert  Not really a data android. But it extends our conscious life ... space does not do well on our bodies. This is a way to preserve our bodies and minds. So when we get to a new area, we introduce our consiousness back to a body. weird... I know. but feasible

 @hjw1dr  @LauraKinCA Also keep in mind that computer memory has a life span before bad blocks and while this can be a long time in theory it will start to degrade

 @LauraKinCA  @dmalert  Laura... on right track. But keep your body through clone like technology -- and download your experiences directly into a new body.  Over time. 

 @dmalert  @hjw1dr

 Are we becoming Data the android?

 @hjw1dr  @LauraKinCA Well how are you extending life spans?

 @hjw1dr  @dmalert

 So wait, download your thoughts and memories into a computer that does the traveling. Your mind controlling the computer. Kind of an AI?

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  Where did I lose you?

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  Folding space might happen... but the energy to do so (I'm told) is huge. And going close to large enough stars would be dangerous. 

 @hjw1dr  @LauraKinCA You lost me

 @hjw1dr  @LauraKinCA Interesting, but what about folding space time and skipping across space?

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  You could have a form of near immortality.. or at least greatly increase human life. So.. you could travel to stars. 

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA So... what if you were able to encode DNA with computer like memory?  And you could reproduce that? For 100s of years?

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA Now... imagine if you have to travel 100s of years to the next star? light speed isn't feasible due to mass problems.

 @hjw1dr  @LauraKinCA And you saw how scientist are storing data in DNA

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA I spoke with a computer genius.. (sort of like Coriolus...really brainy guy. And we got talking about future of human development. And think soon humans - in 50 years -- will be able to download thoughts and memories directly into a memory computer. 

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA  Right now there is computer research on putting computer chips in brains. THis is to map brain structure but also memory like functions.

 @dmalert  @LauraKinCA Okay...

Here goes.