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Home » SOF News » General Mattis: Drones to Afghanistan

General Mattis: Drones to Afghanistan

by Isaiah Burkhart · March 14, 2013 · Posted In: SOF News
Photo: US Army
In a recent meeting with the House Armed Services Committee, the commander of US Central Command General Mattis stated his intention to hand over drone capabilities to the Afghanistan Government.

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“The Afghans do not have that capability yet. It’s one of the enablers that we are trying to build into them before we leave.”

From his statements it is unclear of the drones capabilities, but did shed some light when this transition would take place. In January 2013, rumors surfaced about weapons-capable drones being given to Afghanistan, and the Pentagon assured that the drones would be small and not capable of carrying any type of weapon system.

General Mattis continued on by commenting on the United States  involvement in Afghanistan with drones into the foreseeable future.

“The long-term view is that we will continue this so long as we are there, and we will transition this capability, standing it up inside the Afghan forces so when we leave, they have the ability to keep an eye on that border area…I’ve operated in many areas around the world, and I’ve never had more difficult military terrain to operate in than along that border.”

Although the Afghan’s technological resources are dwarfed compared to the United States, one must wonder if these so called small drones could be reverse engineered into weapons-capable arial platforms? As 2014 approaches and U.S. troops slowly trickle out of Afghanistan, we will see what drones, surveillance equipment and aircraft capabilities the U.S. leave into the hands of the Afghan Government.

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I served in 3rd Battalion 75th Ranger Regiment from 2003-2008. Almost four years of the time spent in 3/75 was spent in the sniper section. I am a graduate of US Army Airborne School, US Army Ranger School, US Army Sniper School, Special Forces Sniper Course, and the US Marine Corps Summer Mountain Scout Sniper Course. I have competed in the US Army International Sniper Competition as well as the US Army Small Arms Championships on three separate occasions. I currently live in Corvallis, Oregon and hold a Bachelors of Science in Biology from Oregon State University.

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Barnes
Barnes 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Maybe it's just my opinion but I have a problem with people still thinking that when we leave Afghanistan everything will be hunky dory. It's a country that can be conquered but not ruled. This drawdown is our way of leaving without our tail stuck between our legs like the Soviets did. Giving them more and more crap is just bad in the long run. 

KineticFury
KineticFury 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Great. I foresee lots of nightmarish stuff in the world 50 years from now.

 

Uncle Sam is turning into the black market/weapons systems dealer version of  Santa Claus.

 

Guns and armed drones for every boy  and girl, ho ho ho.

Txazz
Txazz 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

An unmanned, unarmed U.S. surveillance drone was approached by an Iranian F-4 fighter jet on Tuesday, the Pentagon disclosed Thursday. The Iranian jet got as close as 16 miles.

The drone, an MQ-1, was escorted by two U.S. military aircraft, Pentagon press secretary George Little said in a statement. “One of the U.S. aircraft discharged a flare as a warning to the Iranian plane, which then broke off pursuit,” the statement said.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/14/17315265-us-surveillance-drone-approached-by-iranian-fighter-jet-pentagon-says?lite

Txazz
Txazz 5pts

Still on topic Drones, but in the US:

FAA Halts Man’s Drone Photography Business Over Regulations

Mar. 15, 2013

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/15/faa-halts-mans-drone-photography-business-over-regulations/

ps: bet there are no regs in A-stan!

-BLACK-
-BLACK- 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

These fuckers can turn a hello kitty kite from Wal Mart into an AIED so I can only imagine what they could jimmy rig these drones into.   

LauraKinCA
LauraKinCA 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @-BLACK-

 I miss your old avi already. Hi btw! Having wine tomorrow night. I'll lift a glass to ya'!

-BLACK-
-BLACK- 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @LauraKinCA Me too, so since I am not the only one, I changed it back. 

Thanks darlin'  I'll pour out a little for you too but I be starting in a couple hours :) 

LauraKinCA
LauraKinCA 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @-BLACK-

 Much better!!

Old PH2
Old PH2 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 6 Like

 @-BLACK- Hence the non lethal Hello Kitty Taser for those 5 second ABs!

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/20090707/hello-kitty-taser.jpg

-BLACK-
-BLACK- 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Old PH2   LMAO 

LauraKinCA
LauraKinCA 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @Old PH2  @-BLACK-

 Now that's just funny!

Txazz
Txazz 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Isaiah, the drones would be as pictured?  Really small ones?  These smaller ones haven't been armed have they?

Elric
Elric 5pts

 @Txazz That's just a Raven.  No weapons.  However, while Hellfire's are sexy, the real power of the drones are their ability to provide real time, persistent, low cost surveillance of targets.  Just like the most powerful weapon in an infantry platoon is the radio.

Old PH2
Old PH2 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Txazz Check out Switchblade:

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/03/switchblade-afghanistan/

Txazz
Txazz 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Old PH2 WOW, it's a drone missle.  Surely they won't be giving them the Switchblade.  There is a whole string of articles to read.  You're successfully keeping me busy! :)

-BLACK-
-BLACK- 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @AUNITEDPEOPLE  @Txazz  @Old PH2  LMAO!! 

AUNITEDPEOPLE
AUNITEDPEOPLE 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @-BLACK-  @Txazz  @Old PH2 That could be a real headline in the very near future... dumbasses the lot of them!

 

"If they only offered commendations for being fully fucking retarded we would have some very "highly decorated" CO's..." That is the fucking funniest thing I've heard! I'd like to see that awards ceramony, but it'd take hours!

-BLACK-
-BLACK- 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @AUNITEDPEOPLE  @Txazz  @Old PH2   I can see it now... "Aerial Improvised Explosive Devices surface in Afghanitan after attack on coalition forces left several dead and hundresd injured. Reports have not yet confirmed how they obtained access to these drones....errr wait, the US gave them to em.   If they only offered commendations for being fully fucking retarded we would have some very "highly decorated" CO's....   

Old PH2
Old PH2 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @AUNITEDPEOPLE  @oldSquid These aren't the drones your looking for.......

AUNITEDPEOPLE
AUNITEDPEOPLE 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @oldSquid That is their marketing angle right there! Streets = safe, cars, not so much!

AUNITEDPEOPLE
AUNITEDPEOPLE 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @Old PH2  @oldSquid  @Txazz Stencils, that's funny as hell! Doesn't look familar at all to me!

 

Oh and the drone only needs to work once, right up to the point where it goes BOOM!

oldSquid
oldSquid 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

maybe a bit OT - but just fer shits 'n giggles,  tie in your articcle to drone use in the U.S. - which of course isn't going to happenaccording to our superb Atty General...

I especially like the "through the windshield and no collateral damage"

AUNITEDPEOPLE
AUNITEDPEOPLE 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @Txazz  @oldSquid  @Old PH2 Damn, you're just Wired today aren't you!

 

We pay for everything, including a lot of weapons that get used against us on a regular basis, so what else is new? AQ (or Taliban) + Drones (even non-lethal) = easy recon of targets, active awareness of an ongoing op (ours or theirs) and monitoring troop movements, etc, etc, you get the point.

Old PH2
Old PH2 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @AUNITEDPEOPLE  @oldSquid  @Txazz Maybe we could buy them Chinese made systems, that break after 6 months?  Hell the Iranians seem to have some kinda preferred buyers club discount, it includes Arabic stencils so your new Manpads look like they were indigenous designs:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?71560-Iran-Begins-mass-Production-of-The-new-MANPADS-quot-Misagh-2-quot

 

Sarcasm, don't you love it?    

Txazz
Txazz 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @AUNITEDPEOPLE  @oldSquid  @Old PH2 It keeps on going - more and more technology - Holy smokes.  It's a definite - don't give them anything.  Who would be paying for it anyway!

the Switchblade does demonstrate that the technology necessary for creating loitering kamikaze weapons is more than theoretical — as, on a larger scale, does the new-model Tomahawk missile, which can change direction in midair.

Special Ops’ Latest Drone: A Russian Doll of Death

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/10/socom-warhead-drones/

AUNITEDPEOPLE
AUNITEDPEOPLE 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

@oldSquid@Txazz@Old PH2

Yeah, it's sounds innocuous at first, but once you dig deeper and see what the possibilities are and the levels of tech that we would be giving them, to do with or sell to whoever they wanted really, I'm not liking this idea... Not that I was fond of it to begin with.

 

I understand the principles behind the idea, but a poor strategy, exit or otherwise, is no excuse and trying to make up for this poor planning my giving them our stuff, is potentially a recipe for disaster.

oldSquid
oldSquid 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @AUNITEDPEOPLE  @Txazz  @Old PH2 to say giving these to the A'stanners is stoop-id would be a massive understatement.

COme back and bite US in the ass? Hell yeah!

AUNITEDPEOPLE
AUNITEDPEOPLE 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @Old PH2  @Txazz Yeah, I was wondering when the R/C world was going to get dragged into this. I knew it was coming though... There only real drawback is their range, but properly positioned, they could be used effectively.

 

They have R/C Jets as well which could kill a person if it just hit them!

https://www.google.com/search?q=rc+jets&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=xpW&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=9fZBUcPaJ_CH0QGQxoCwDw&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAQ&biw=1680&bih=854

Old PH2
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 @AUNITEDPEOPLE  @Txazz That kid that wanted to fly a model plane into the Pentagon was in the right ball park.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2011/0928/Plot-to-bomb-Capitol-with-explosive-laden-model-planes-foiled-FBI-says

Txazz
Txazz 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @AUNITEDPEOPLE  @Old PH2 yeah, look at this one - for one use only.  This is Isaiah's drones:  Fascinating.

Thought the Army’s Raven drone was tiny? The Army now wants a new drone, called the Lethal Miniature Aerial Munition System, that’s weighs just just 5 pounds. And unlike the Raven, the so-called LMAMS will be armed and dangerous. Photo: U.S. Army

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/09/suicidal-drone-6-miles-away/

 

AUNITEDPEOPLE
AUNITEDPEOPLE 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @Txazz  @Old PH2 IED's on a controllable projectile. People can get very creative when they want!

Txazz
Txazz 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @Old PH2 A 6 pound drone missle - see animation.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/10/kamikaze-drone-next-media-animation/

balut
balut 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

If it was another general, and not the highly-respected General Mattis who proposed this drone idea, I bet there'll be a at least a thousand folks here who'll post angry and critical comments here.  I'll probably be guilty of it too!

-BLACK-
-BLACK- 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Negative...even if the fuckin pope authorized such retardation I would be all over him with a damn pitchfork.  Doesnt matter who is behind it, they are fucking morons. 

Virginstateofmind
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This is a REALLY stupid idea. Just thought I'd say that

Txazz
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@Virginstateofmind

Just read this article and seems to point out that drones or nothing else will be successful in A-Stan.  Could it be Karzai will not last very long.  Makes me furious.

The top U.S. commander in Afghanistan is warning U.S. and other NATO troops to watch their backs because recent inflammatory comments by Afghan President Hamid Karzai may prompt Afghans to "lash out" against foreign troops.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/general-warns-karzais-comments-trigger-insider-attacks-us/story?id=18727773

 

Virginstateofmind
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@Txazz Thus why I said this is a REALLY stupid idea.

Old PH2
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 @Txazz  @Virginstateofmind I think Karzai is being the penultimate Afghani, he's trying to preposition himself for what is coming after the US leaves.  CYA Agha Karzai, CYA. 

Txazz
Txazz 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @Old PH2  @Virginstateofmind We lost two U.S. Special Operations Force members and several Afghans in Wardok due to Karzai's comments already.

Old PH2
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Ravens, Pioneers similar platforms would seem appropriate, and less lethal if converted to weapons.  Gotta hedge your bets.  I agree we need to give the Afghani's the tools necessary for them to secure their borders, anyone remember the old PEWS?  I think the new BIAS system networked with a handful of  these smaller drones is a good call.  Basically passive early warning systems that would be tough to weaponize but alternately they could be used to train infiltration techniques.  Tough call, but you need to show some level of trust and give them something.

 

BAIS and PEWS:

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+Battlefield+Anti-Intrusion+System%3A+the+soldier%27s+answer+to...-a0118986349

Txazz
Txazz 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Old PH2 You said it better than I could.  Shocking news at first until I considered A-stan's border area.  Of course, as you said, there are many variables.

Old PH2
Old PH2 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Txazz The only other recourse would be area denial systems, i think Afghanistan is a signatory to the Ottawa treaty so that's off the table.  Plus the danger of just digging up the mines and repurposing them is very real.  I like the idea of the passive systems much more, especially since it takes some training and a little expertise to link up a network and keep it functional.  Jobs for Afghani's and trainers too, win win in my book.  

Txazz
Txazz 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Old PH2 That does look old.  I can imagine how neat the newer BIAS must be.  Most amazing.

Old PH2
Old PH2 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Txazz Here's an image of the old PEWS sensors and transmitter, they normally had a covering that camouflaged them:

http://images.worthpoint.com/files/pb/1923/8802/44395.jpg

Old PH2
Old PH2 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Txazz Yep, and I wont either.  OPSEC, they change, but many look like rocks FYI.

Txazz
Txazz 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Old PH2 So the BIAS is a line of sensors soldiers lay down around the perimeter?  It sounds like a remarkable system.  Your article talked about reading the sensors but, didn't describe them.

HM1 (FMF) Ret.
HM1 (FMF) Ret. 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

I said it before and I'll say it again, "God bless Mattis". It is rare today to find a man willing to shoot strait and not just tow the company line...

OneShot
OneShot 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@HM1 (FMF) Ret. agreed. Long live MadDog Mattis.

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