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Home » USASOC » Delta Force re-enactor? I think not.

Delta Force re-enactor? I think not.

by Jack Murphy · March 10, 2012 · Posted In: USASOC
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I recently found this picture floating through the ether of the internet where some dude on a web forum was insisting that the shooters in the picture were simply Delta Force re-enactors playing dress up.  I’m going to have to disagree with this assessment and here is why.

Based on the equipment seen here, I’m guessing that this photo was taken around 2005.  During this time frame I was in Ranger Battalion executing strike operations with my platoon, so I’m not completely ignorant of the type of missions that Delta was conducting at this time.

First off, check out the background.  If this isn’t Iraq it must be Camden, New Jersey, because I can’t think of anywhere else that resembles this.

Back then no one had PVS-15s (dual-tube night vision goggles) except for Tier One and the odd couple floating around here and there.  I believe we had a couple of them in my platoon but that was it.  The HK 416 alone narrows this operator down to one of two units who fielded this gun at that time.  Delta or MARSOC.  The presence of the PEQ-2 laser looks old school to us now but gives another hint as to the time frame that this picture was taken.  Nobody had the LA-5 SOPMOD II infrared laser.

There are also some subtle details that I don’t think the average person would pick up on.  Take for instance the Garmin Fortrex GPS unit on this soldier’s wrist and the Suunto  compass hanging from his kit.  These are navigation aids that would become very important when hunting High Value Targets (HVTs) through the labyrinthine urban sprawl of Baghdad or Mosul.

Then there is the blue t-shirt under the uniform and the flexcuffs slipped into the pants pocket.  Delta isn’t to concerned with Army uniform regulations but I think the real reason for the blue shirt is because of how fast he had to roll outside the wire.  When my platoon worked Time Sensitive Targets there were times when we peeled out so fast that I didn’t know where we were going until we were already outside the wire and had to navigate the streets on the fly.  The operator pictured above was probably working out in the gym or eating in the chow hall when he got the word that they had to roll and threw his kit over whatever he was wearing.  The flexcuffs probably got jammed in his pockets on the way out the door.

I hope this has given a little perspective to those outside the SOF community and given everyone something to think about before casting judgement on what pictures are or are not real.  It’s possible, but unlikely in my opinion, that the operator pictured belongs to another Tier One unit, but he certainly isn’t a re-enactor having some fun at our expense.

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Coriolis effect
Coriolis effect 5pts

Wasn't marsoc created in 2006

Coriolis effect
Coriolis effect 5pts

Hahaha, I live 20 min from Camden and I couldn't agree more

wiggin
wiggin 5pts

Also, both are fit...just sayin'. If this were truly airsoft (trust me, I'm addicted to it) at least one would be on the road to morbid obesity...

RichDD
RichDD 5pts

Hey Jack, have you ever been to Camden?

ArcticWarrior
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Back to Jacks original article. The reason why Airsofters can kit up just like there favorite CAG/DEVGRU troopers is because the info exists online. We are here because Jack said someone mentioned this photo is someone playing dress up. We dissected it and its the real thing but some of these guys are so good they make doubters. I've seen some of pics of these guys and they DO look like the real thing and know in detail the whole RLCS and nomenclenture(and its like seriously dude its just tools of the trade why would I know THAT much detail about pouches?) They didnt get that info from hanging around Benning or Bragg. They studied. Just like Haji and the ChiComs do.

Old PH2
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Some times a Military Photographer is the last to see one of these guys.  We are given this sacred duty to record for posterity the heroism and sacrifice that the American Armed forces faces.  Some of what we record is used for typical PAO bull shit.  Some of it is Intel, All of it is history.  Mil Photographers would not knowingly leak this kind of thing unless it was UNClassified by the command.  The details get pretty deep but suffice it to say this photo was probably taken by some one with a digital point and shoot camera snapping picks to show the folks.

 

Senior NCO's should know to check equipment before leaving the OP, this camera should have been caught as contraband.

Canopylight
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 @Old PH2 Well Delta play big boy rules quite often and a point & click camera is often needed for SSE and success of the mission.

Old PH2
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 @Canopylight That's true but then too all those photos are part of the mission intel that gets bagged at debrief.  You don't just accidentally forget to turn this stuff in.

ArcticWarrior
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 @Old PH2

 Could have been a local, a foreign journalist right place right time. Its everywhere. Not only photos but Sigint as well.

LCpl X
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 @ArcticWarrior  

 

We're just feeding the Beast. I know early on like 2007 when facebook was getting popular, there was a "CIA" page, it was really well done, so a bunch of people (mostly military) started sending them info and posting on their wall and shit. It wasn't CIA, and to this day they don't know who put the page up, but they amassed thousands of would be applicants with their photos and other info.

katgirl
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 @JackMurphyRGR Finally someone finally said what I've been saying awhile now!  FB is an enter-your-data-yourself dossier/profile/file.  Amazing.  Great article.  I don't know enough about gear to have seen this, but I do know what typical resident layouts over there look like and I don't think Camden, NJ would be hanging Crescent Moon and Star decorations for the holidays! ;P

 

Thanks for another great article.

LCpl X
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 @JackMurphyRGR 

"This Telecom/Government spying is probably the biggest story of our time if you realize the implications"

 

Not just NSA, although I agree with you, but also Chinese companies like Huawei now selling end user stuff. Boeing, NG, SAIC, gets paid millions to develop something w/ taxpayers money, then they turn around to sell the same shit to other companies or nations.

 

"South African intelligence played a bait game like that with Executive Outcomes employees."

 

Imagine you're still in doing some Jason Bourne shit, humping hot Russian chicks like James Bond, and all foreign intelligence has to do is make a facebook profile of you and see your hs friends, military buddies, etc. and wait for intel rich messages like, "remember me from so and so elementary", "hey, we used to work at this place together", you get the picture. I know two instances that's happened, scary shit. So in a way you have to be on facebook to make sure no ones playing cut out of you. @ArcticWarrior "Yeah you nailed it, thats why no FB for me"

 

ArcticWarrior
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 @JackMurphyRGR  @LCpl X

 Your right, both overt and covert. Look you have NYC saying they can take out an airliner, Texas DPS has their new Swift boats, and here we have Sigint blimps and Preds. Of course they have legitimate uses but its a slippery slope.

JackMurphyRGR
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 @ArcticWarrior  @LCpl X Funny how all the systems I saw us use against terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan are slowly coming to be used against Americans...

ArcticWarrior
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 @JackMurphyRGR  @LCpl X

 Yeah the big white matrix blimp just started flying down here out of Yuma, supposedly its Sigint for along the Tuc-Phx smuggling corridor. And of course the Preds overfly the border. The SO I work for is just getting into the drone game as well. If you use a computer, smart phone, watch cable TV someone knows what you did.

JackMurphyRGR
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 @ArcticWarrior  @LCpl X This Telecom/Government spying is probably the biggest story of our time if you realize the implications...it spills over into the GWOT, Arab Spring, domestic surveillance, ect...  You don't see the media anywhere near that story though...

ArcticWarrior
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 @JackMurphyRGR  @LCpl X

 Yeah you nailed it, thats why no FB for me. Stasi-great reference. Didnt Putin work alongside them in his former KGB life?

JackMurphyRGR
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 @LCpl X  @ArcticWarrior Hilarious.  South African intelligence played a bait game like that with Executive Outcomes employees.  If you want to look at the big picture, that's all facebook is.  A giant voluntary link chart that we all participate in that saves intelligence agencies untold hours of time and money.  The Stasi couldn't have dreamed up something better!

LCpl X
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 @ArcticWarrior 

 

The only thing you should be doing on facebook is figure out how to make millions using the network like the Kony 2012 campaign by Invisible Children, selling bs bracelets for $30, if you're not selling a product, you're the product, chump.

LCpl X
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 @Old PH2 

 

Are people briefed about facial recognition and how advanced it's become? It was mentioned awhile back about how SEALs posted photos of themselves on facebook. What are the ramifications for posting shit on facebook? People think that cropping or black spotting over is good enough, but assume, assume, this can be easily redone and the original image reposted for all to see.

Riceball
Riceball 5pts

 @LCpl X Fixing an image of someone that has their face blacked out is pretty much impossible, at least I don't know of any way to fix it and I work with Photoshop for a living and consider myself to be an expert in its use. The only way it would be easy to remove the black spot is if the black spot was done on a separate and saved out in format that supports layers (like PSD and TIFFs) and you got a hold of the original. Likewise with cropping but even more so, once it's been cropped and saved out there's no uncropping it, that data is now completely gone and there's no going back once the file has been saved and closed.

 

Of course this all based on commercial software like Photoshop, who knows what any one of our alphabet agencies has at their command but I doubt that even they can do much more. At best I think they can probably tell if an image has been tinkered with but to the best of my knowledge you can't uncrop an image, see through a black spot covering someone's face, or pull a clean image by zooming in on a tiny little reflection and sharpening it a gaziillion times.

ArcticWarrior
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 @LCpl X  @Old PH2

 Social Media is major league frowned upon. In the case you mention I believe it was a wife or girlfriend who posted out of exhuberance and pride in her guy. It happens. Im sure at that level they know and play by the rules. People at Bragg do know who is CAG, One day your buddy or b/f is in the 82d then he moves out, lets his hair grow out doesnt hangout or call all that much anymore, is often gone for periods of time, people put the pieces together, MOST dont talk. Thats why its every Sr. NCO to reinforce OPSEC/PERSEC! Period! But if you want to know hang out at a certain bar....

ArcticWarrior
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 @LCpl X  @Old PH2

 Just look around page by page....

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?114762-United-States-SOF-pics/page273

 

Tango9
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 @Old PH2  @ArcticWarrior  @LCpl X they're pretty tight about PERSEC/OPSEC there.

Old PH2
Old PH2 5pts

 @ArcticWarrior  @LCpl X Yeah, I actually really like that site, great intel.  You just have to know how to read the picture.

Old PH2
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 @LCpl X Yeah,here's the quick and dirty.  If you're dumb enough to upload the original metadata then you are totally fucked.  There are various methods to place black outs on the pic's but nothing beats old school scissors and black paper. 

 

We are constantly working on ways to advance the mathematics of facial recognition.  What it boils down to is you have to develop a database of pictures start assigning biometric measurements to each subject then cataloging them. 

 

It's mostly just data entry, the smart guys do all the heavy lifting.  But it really doesn't take a computer genius to set it all up.

 

Yeah my advice is never post a picture of your self or any one you care about, and tell family and friends why so they wont post you either.

Canopylight
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There's another giveaway, but talking about that probably starts breaching OPSEC. In any case, as someone else noted, I've always seen Delta with AVS-9s, PVS-23s and later the panoramic NVGs, which also appears that's what those are and not PVS-15s.

JackMurphyRGR
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Just a quick update: a very reliable source wanted to correct me, in 2005 Delta was almost certainly the ONLY unit with the HK 416.

Digger64
Digger64 5pts

Correct. And MARSOC did not exist in 2005. Was formed mid-2006. Plus I would be surprised if they used HK-416. Another unit that may have operated with HK at that time frame, could have been AWG. 

ArcticWarrior
ArcticWarrior 5pts

Was AWG in theatre in 05?

OPR
OPR 5pts

 @FormerSFMedic  @ArcticWarrior This picture purports to show a AWG operator in Iraq '06 with a 10.5 inch HK416, complete with S&B Short-Dot optic: http://i.imgur.com/b5TU7.jpg

ArcticWarrior
ArcticWarrior 5pts

 @JackMurphyRGR  @FormerSFMedic

 Thats too bad if its outdated stuff, someone has to teach CF the asymetrical stuff. I dont know how it is at Benning now but they hopefully have incorporated more of that stuff in INF School.

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts

 @ArcticWarrior  @FormerSFMedic They train CF on tactics that are already outdated from what I saw of them.  Maybe they've got some other stuff going on behind the curtain that I don't know about but I think people blow them out of proportion.

ArcticWarrior
ArcticWarrior 5pts

 @FormerSFMedic  @ArcticWarrior

 I second that. What do you say Jack, AWG?

FormerSFMedic
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@ArcticWarrior AWG was in theatre in '05. Matter of fact I believe they were organized in '04, I could be wrong. But, I do remember AWG being one of the first units to pick up the HK416. So, they probably would have have had the 416 during this time frame. BTW, AWG would make for a good write up. Maybe Jack or SOFREP will get on that.

DesignatedDiver
DesignatedDiver 5pts

 @JackMurphyRGR But not with PVS-15s.

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts

 @DesignatedDiver That's true.  We had some sets in my platoon but they were limited.  Mostly it was Squad Leaders rocking the 15's and the rest of us had 14's.

BrentSacks
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As someone who's never been in Iraq, I hear all the time that it gets incredibly dusty with fine sand particles getting all over everything. His rifle is clearly coated with a layer of the stuff. 

Tango9
Tango9 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @BrentSacks I was in Riyadh waaaaaay back in the day supporting Ernest Will.  Our poor maintainers had to keep the aircraft clean AND all their tools clean, AND weapons.  That fking sand will get into everything.

BrentSacks
BrentSacks 5pts

 @Tango9 Sounds like such a pain in the ass...I spent a week with PJs in New Mexico once and I was gritting my sand in my teeth the whole time. But that was *nothing* compared to what you guys are talking about...

Old PH2
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 @BrentSacks Until you have been through a Haboub, you will never appreciate how sand can get everywhere!

ArcticWarrior
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 @Old PH2  @BrentSacks

 Nothing like 8000 feet vertical by 15 miles horizontal sandblasting everyones paint.

RegularGuy
RegularGuy 5pts

These pics are definitely real... As an airsofter myself, I saw these more than a few times used as reference pictures for impressions and what not. Oh... and my smartass comment of the day is that those seem to be ANVIS-9's and not PVS 15 as far as I know, the main give away is the NVG's shroud.

ArcticWarrior
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There is a date palm leaf right side mid to bottom, as well as a date tree in the backround. The housing is typical haji housing to include the prerequisite outdoor staircase and mortar fence. The sign knocked over in the backround has some kind of what appears to be an animal symbol. The writing on the signs left is illegible even when enhanced. Id say this is Iraq. You dont see these combinations of things in the US. The time stamp says 6:01AM, the flash fired because of the low shutter speed due to the low early morning light. Plus all the tech details Jack mentions on the kit. If this was somewhere in the US the 911 lines would be off the hook about bad guys walking the streets with auto weapons. I say its the real thing.

Riceball
Riceball 5pts

 @ArcticWarrior I agree, I was inclined to say that it was for real based on the background alone. I've never deployed overseas myself, got out some years before 9/11, but the background didn't look much like the US to me.

LCpl X
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Why would these pictures be available on the internet?

I read you can erase those black spots rather easily.

Canopylight
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 @LCpl X I can tell you the main reason. It's not Delta leaking the photos. It's some damn reservist or other leg personnel that get attached to JSOC for logistical reasons. They have classified networks that guys would upload photos and such, and all it takes is some kid that just got a clearance to whip his USB or burn them to a cd to show all his friends.

Old PH2
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 @Canopylight  @LCpl X One of the things that would get your T/S yanked in a hurry was to get caught leaking.  A Photographer that lost his T/S was basically shit canned to some BEQ 1st Lieutenant type gig.  Or worse, sent to become a Ship's Master at Arms! 

fact275
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 @ArcticWarrior  @Tango9  @Old PH2  @Canopylight  @LCpl X I remember when I worked for the Air Force my boss telling me that even *speculating* on operations was an OPSEC violation. Example: "Hey that B-52 transiting RAF Fairford *must* be on its way to bomb Kosovo..."

katgirl
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 @Tango9  @ArcticWarrior  @Old PH2  @Canopylight  @LCpl X 8^o You guys are great!  There are a bunch of pages I don't have indexed because, I'm kinda nervous about posting about some things.  I'm helping out Dark Angel by making a web page compilation of his tips.  I'm highlighting sections (and learning just like in school) and adding photos and hopefully more useful information that I have.  It's a mess yet but here's what I've done so far:

http://twolftfeet.com/tacmed.html

Tango9
Tango9 5pts

 @katgirl  @ArcticWarrior  @Old PH2  @Canopylight  @LCpl X  @ArcticWarrior Welcome aboard Kathy.  I think you'll find the sofrep crew to your liking. 

ArcticWarrior
ArcticWarrior 5pts

 @katgirl  @Tango9  @Old PH2  @Canopylight  @LCpl X  @ArcticWarrior

 Kat, Lots of us here can learn from you, your site is great. Thats what I like about this place, I can learn from many different sources, you never stop learning.

 

katgirl
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 @ArcticWarrior  @Tango9  @Old PH2  @Canopylight  @LCpl X I'm trying to be like an FNG in an NCO club and mostly be a fly on the wall and learn.  You all are terrific and @ArcticWarrior et al - it does mean a lot to me.  Mille Grazie!

p.s. my paraphrasing of a scene from Charlie's Angels.  "How does a bikini waxer like you know so much about EFP IEDs?"  "Uh <giggle> a girl can learn a lot about MizSchrdn on the internet!"

Tango9
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 @ArcticWarrior  @Old PH2  @Canopylight  @LCpl X There's a few thousand Chinese dudes in a warehouse getting paid a dollar a month to watch you.

katgirl
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 @ArcticWarrior  @Tango9  @Old PH2  @Canopylight  @LCpl X :) Thank you so much.  It's teaching me a lot that I can use on my Sako bolt - I think I'm finally getting closer with consistency of technique!  Plus, I'm a huge mil hist freak - recent conflicts, small unit, TTP, studies all that

 

katgirl
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 @ArcticWarrior  @Tango9  @Old PH2  @Canopylight  @LCpl X <blush> nooo - an ex professional geekette :)

ArcticWarrior
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 @katgirl  @Tango9  @Old PH2  @Canopylight  @LCpl X

 Plus...nice Barrett work......

ArcticWarrior
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 @katgirl  @Tango9  @Old PH2  @Canopylight  @LCpl X

 Damn Kat your a real Sarah Conner......

katgirl
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 @Tango9  @Old PH2  @Canopylight  @LCpl X My entire civilian adult career was essentially in SCIFs.  I certainly would never have brought in any recordable media and everyone I knew were very serious about the rules.  We used to joke about leaks (Aviation Leak) all coming out of DC.

Canopylight
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 @LCpl X It's not a reservist taking the photo. They certainly aren't out on mission with anybody. It's them taking it off secure networks via USB or CD and putting them out in the public domain. It's likely another Delta guy taking the pic. They actually take quite a few 'hero' pictures when given the opportunity.

LCpl X
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 @Old PH2 

 

So with photographers everywhere, digital images so easy to transfer, frontal face shots dangerous as facial recognition refs, I figured SOF guys would also be more inclined to roll like the federales in Mexico with ski masks. OR instead of smiling for the camera distort your face, but do something.

Old PH2
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 @LCpl X  @Canopylight Military Photographers are all over the AO and often accompany DA teams for Biometric data recovery.  Many of the guys would not think twice of getting a photo taken of them.  remember the supposed info about setting one of ST6 next to UBL to check his height?  This stuff happens all the time, but again Military Photographers keep all images secured.  They may be released for briefings and upper level intel, but  we are all read in to how important it is to protect these guys.

ArcticWarrior
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 @LCpl X  @Canopylight

 The trooper in the photo looks like he is looking right at the camera, maybe the biz at hand was so intense he didnt have time to chin check the guy. The images are out there if you look you can find them. Remember the NZSAS guys who had there unredacted faces splashed all over the net awhile back? Welcome to the 21st Century.

LCpl X
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 @Canopylight 

 

I figured Delta/ST6 guys would be more mindful of getting their pictures takens by reservists, journalists, or whatever since they're the guys that go thru places like Dubai or even Macao with Las Vegas type security cameras and facial recognition software (they're getting up there). 

 

So from an OPSEC/PerSec perspective, that Delta guy should be kicking that camera into the face of that reservist/journalists, no? That's how serious these photos are. Then destroy all evidence in camera. I figured that's how they roll, and I think that's why airsofters are saying these guys aren't the real deal, cuz the real deal would never put out their photos, they'd understand the life and death ramifications--like posting a photo of yourself wearing white pants and black jacket, that's like suicide, man.

 

Tried googling the coeds attempting to post tease pics article, my google skills aren't that good, just kept getting porn sites.

ArcticWarrior
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 @Tango9  @Old PH2  @Canopylight  @LCpl X

 But notice how in a realtively short time everyones combined knowledge here has been able to slowly put together a composite of who this was, approximately where they were and what it appears they were doing? The bad guys are good at SALUTE reports as well, and if not people not so friendly to us may be glad to help. Being this is an older image dont believe there is too much OPSEC to worry about, however you could consult the Oracle(Google) and probably find more, if there is one there is probably 2 images or three and now the Intel guys can really put it together. Intel LOVED if we got a good clean image on something they had interest in, even if they hated us 11Bs. So to the youngsters be mindful of what you post and what you say, the Jinn are watching too!

Tango9
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 @Old PH2  @Canopylight  @LCpl XRgr that.  I think we all have active clerances here.  I don't think any of the people here would violate OPSEC/PERSEC/COMSEC 

ArcticWarrior
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 @Canopylight  @LCpl X

 Exactly

OPR
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 @LCpl X No, you cannot erase them at all. You can only "de-distort" pictures (like if a picture was digitally blurred using Photoshop) but you cannot remove black squares and circles off of faces.

LCpl X
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 @OPR 

 

Are you sure about this? Cuz there was an article (looking for it now) about co-eds taking naked pics of themselves but blacking out their faces, and hackers easily undid the blacked out spots and reposted for all to see.

Riceball
Riceball 5pts

 @JackMurphyRGR What Jack said. I work with Photoshopfor a living and I consider myself to be an expert user and if I try to erase the black spot all I would end up doing is erasing the black spot and revealing a white spot in its place. Most of what you see on TV & movies about what you can do to a picture with a computer is largely BS, you can't (at least commercially) sharpen a totally blurred image to a super sharp, HD quality image, nor can you zoom in infinitely on a tiny speck and make out what it is unless the image is of a very high resolution.

ArcticWarrior
ArcticWarrior 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Old PH2  @JackMurphyRGR

 I myself has an instance like that. At a certain Joint base we were waiting for the Loadmaster to wave us in the 130. I had just been "promoted" from the training team to a operational team so I was all stoked and not thinking. Well Mother(AWACS) come rolling right by us and I was like holy crap how cool is that, whip out my camera and start clicking away. Out of nowhere SPs come flying over to me and start dressing me down, giving me the shit, delete the images etc. Now my fellow paratroopers start getting agitated about it. Cooler heads prevail when top came over. Everything was taken care of. On our flight I was bummed, CO came over sat down next to me and explained to me that Mother may have just come back from flying off Sakhalin or something like that and to be mindful of those kinds of details and the consequences. That stuck with me forever.

Old PH2
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 @ArcticWarrior  @JackMurphyRGR I like it that the younger guy's are not scared of the tech stuff, just wish they understood the importance.  In 1988 returning from a 6 month Med cruise one of my buddies was nearly sucker punched by a well meaning Chief.  I was on board Ike when we famously ran into a Spanish collier parked in the road .  Due to ignorance the CPO wanted to prevent documentation of a serious incident, we lost 160ft of catwalk, no injuries.  Photographers are loved and hated, it sucks being me.

 

On the plus side we could always trade for what ever we needed!

ArcticWarrior
ArcticWarrior 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @Old PH2  @JackMurphyRGR

 OPSEC is getting harder with phones, etc getting so sophisticated and available worldwide. Soldiers need to be reinforced, especially the younger ones because they grew up with social media, about how an innocuos photo or blurb "Cool we just saw so and so come in and kick ass" can hurt. Plus the Haj start figuring who belongs to what all on their own. You can see them out in the tree line or up on a ridge with there goats watching vehicles and helos and you know they would be reporting to the local chief or Gul etc. You wanted to know who was in town ask the Haj!

Old PH2
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 @JackMurphyRGR If there is a version of the data file uploaded say into a Facebook profile then altered.  The original can be found eventually. 

 

The military photographers are trained to self censor.  If you are working with certain units, you know not to get pictures of faces, tattoos, sometimes even certain equipment is blocked out.  It is all about OPSEC.  Many of the photos I took while working in support of the boys at Little Creek, I was never permitted to keep, copy, or for that matter send to the subject himself.  Although valuable for training and debrief most of these images are awaiting declassification, I figure sometime around the middle of this century.   

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

 @LCpl X  @OPR That only way I can think of that this would be possible was if these morons uploaded the actual photoshop file without compressing the image and merging the various layers by flattening it.

 

By the way, I want to see those pics...

JackMurphyRGR
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 @OPR The photo is "as is" like I found it on militaryphotos.net...

OPR
OPR 5pts

 @JackMurphyRGR No, it's good thing they're blacked out. Militaryphotos.net requires users to black out the faces of SOF personnel before posting their pictures on the forum.

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