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Home » SOF News » The Way Forward: McRaven's Request for More US SOCOM Agility

The Way Forward: McRaven's Request for More US SOCOM Agility

by Brandon Webb · February 13, 2012 · Posted In: SOF News, Special Operations
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Fighting an enemy that has no rules, no borders and a radical point of view is a tough thing to do these days.  It reminds me of how we fought and won our independence from the British.  We were significantly outnumbered, out funded, and somehow made it happen.  This lesson on warfare without rules should not be lost in the US.

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In my opinion, if we expect to have an impact on radical ideology in the world, we need to start winning some hearts and minds (Three Cups of Tea anyone?).  This isn’t accomplished by killing people (sometimes a necessary thing). And you can’t unlearn centuries of culture and tradition overnight.  However, you can bridge the cultural gap with genuine human interaction and investment for the long haul.  I’m not sure we had this in mind with Afghanistan, and I fear once we pull out it’s Afghanistan as normal.  Time will tell.

Killing bad guys deals with the symptoms, not prevention or the root cause.  We need to win more hearts and minds in this fight.  No group better knows how to do this than SOCOM’s very own Green Berets. They’ve been doing it for decades and are damn good at it.

The ugly truth is that there are bad people in this world who object to our free way of life.  And they’ll kill innocent people to spread terror in this world and drive further restrictions on many freedoms we’ve come to enjoy and lose.

Meanwhile, radicals roam the globe with a closed play book, and no rules. To be effective against this kind of threat, you need to build some more agility into SOCOM. I’ll acknowledge that US SOCOM will always have a handicap when it comes to being forced to play by the rules, and having checks and balances in place are good things.

We need to work smarter, not harder, and nobody knows this saying better than my former teammate, McRaven.

“The military’s regional combatant commanders have feared a decrease of their authority”-NY Times

Modern warfare has changed, and it’s a Special Operations Centric DoD these days. Some in DoD may not be happy with that, but either we get with the times or the times will get with us.

I’m skeptical of the New York Times quote above; It amazes me how a respectable publication like The NY times (I like most of what they do) does a great job of representing speculation as fact in their morning write up on McRaven. The quote above cites no source.  So I ask the authors this question:  Which regional commanders are you talking about? Because I’d like to know, and where I come from, when you represent speculation as fact, it’s called bullshitting.

We are dealing with a distributed enemy that has no problem killing innocent people to drive their radical agenda.  There are some big sponsor states in the mix and they are a huge source of funding, and often provide safe haven for Radical Ideologists. Pakistan or Iran anyone? At least Iran only talks out of one side of the mouth.

To deal with an Asymmetric threat requires agility to remain effective. So we think McRaven and SOCOM should get what they’re asking for.  I just hope we can build a few schools along the way.

Brandon

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Brandon Webb is a former U.S. Navy SEAL with combat deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, and elsewhere in the Middle East. His last tour in the SEAL Teams was as the Course Manager for the US Navy SEAL Sniper program, arguably one of the most difficult sniper courses in the world. He was formerly a contributing editor for Military.com, and currently the Editor-in-Chief of SOFREP.com. Brandon is regularly featured in the media as a subject matter expert on military affairs. An avid writer, his last two books (The Red Circle, & Benghazi: The Definitive Report) both hit the New York Times best seller list, and his writing has been featured in print, and digital media worldwide. You can follow him on Twitter @BrandontWebb

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ClaytonStruthers
ClaytonStruthers 5pts

Despite what any civilian may believe, no member of the US Armed Forces exists in a democratic society. Think of us as a semi-autocratic society. The greatest defenders of the US Constitution have to exist outside of it to protect it. We have to mete absolutely Un-Constitutional action against our enemies to protect the Constitution. This is merely a semantical argument about additional autonomy outside of the Constitution. It needs to be considered. Every single SOCOM soldier knows exactly what he is fighting and dying for, that will never change, with or without greater freedom of action.

Achilles
Achilles 5pts

So I'll play devil's advocate since "So we think McRaven and SOCOM should get what they’re asking for." is about as unsurprising as getting the shits after drinking one of those strawberry MRE shakes. If you were a marginally intelligent civilian how would this sound to you?

A group of the toughest guys on the earth who operate all over the world killing bad guys would like greater freedoms, a higher budget, no oversight and doesnt want to play with other agencies in its own government (who also have to be accountable for their actions). They collect their own intelligence, analyze their own intelligence and act on their own intelligence.

People thought Col. Beckwith was a megalomaniac, imagine if he asked for pure autonomy.

Solomon
Solomon 5pts

@Achilles absolutely spot on!

JerryBiolchini
JerryBiolchini 5pts

@Achilles

Like Brandon said in his write up. Th article in NY Times is pure speculation. They run the gambit of McRaven wanting the run the war to wanting to setup Rainbow Six.

At this point all we can do is make intelligent guesses based on our collective experience. Frankly speaking thought the troops in SOCOM have yet to prove they are megalomaniacs. The training breeds something else all together different. In fact I would argue the opposite. The training breeds men that have few if any selfish ideals. Sure...those ideals could be misplaced but I have yet to read anything like that right now.

I think some of the things we read about Beckwith are more of his detractors writing history. Beckwith was loud, boisterous, and aggressive....but...isn't that what we needed to form the units he lead? He didn't act any differently then the product of officers of his time. Right now. I think we need a few more Beckwith's.

Read more: http://sofrep.com/the-way-forward-mcravens-request-for-more-us-socom-agility/#ixzz1mNLyPXGK

Mikko
Mikko 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

"when you represent speculation as fact, it’s called bullshitting." Amen.

LCpl X
LCpl X 5pts

JSOC, like DIA-HUMINT, should probably be assumed by CIA. Maybe they'd be less in the media if this happened. SOCOM downsized like the rest of DoD (except for DARPA), and JSOC gets treated like DIA-HUMINT.

Here's a good book on this:

http://www.amazon.com/Command-Inside-Presidents-Secret-ebook/dp/B0076QVQLI

I appreciate the book, but it would've been better if it didn't exist at all.

BrandonWebb
BrandonWebb moderator 5pts

I think JSOC is doing a damn good job and most didn't fold close at the GAP before going to the farm and becoming "Case Officers".....

LCpl X
LCpl X 5pts

@BrandonWebb JSOC operators and analysts already attend the farm (Haney's books), I'm not talking about them becoming case officers, we already know where they go upon retirement from JSOC, I'm speaking bureaucracy-wise, set them up like DIA-HUMINT. Streamlining is the name of the game. Leave DA to SEALs/SF, CA to JSOC/SAG.

LCpl X
LCpl X 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Pres. Obama's right, the tides of war is receding. No money, no honey.

I think the Corps will be happy going back to pre-9/11 recon units, do away with Marsoc.

SEALs stick with direct action, SF with training indiges, Rangers taking airfields, Air Force doing their thing.

post-9/11 era, SOCOM really has no more mandate. They need to keep an eye on China and periphery, but to ask for what the Admiral's asking for, it's really not justified. Everyone draws down, every takes a bite of the big s-sandwich, SOCOM ain't special.

They ain't special because SAG can and should take the slack. CIA, DSS, DoS, DEA, FBI, DoD storm/FAO will have to liaise with locals (cost effective, network benefits). The military has to draw down, but the current intelligence/law enforcement apparatus stays.

If you're with SOCOM and still wanna play with the big dawgs, you're gonna have to switch to the above organizations.

DoD, especially SOCOM, needs to draw down period. We need to bulk up our universities, more robust digital infrastructure, schools, re-training, etc. etc. Because the war with China isn't going to be fought initially in the battlefield but in the market. DoD and SOCOM has, has, to downsize.

The above intel/law enforcement apparatus can take the slack.

BrandonWebb
BrandonWebb moderator 5pts

The market and on the Internet. -BW

BrandonWebb
BrandonWebb moderator 5pts

Nice perspective! -Brandon

LCpl X
LCpl X 5pts

@BrandonWebb

Thanks, Brandon!

Also to address Jerry's point, yeah I agree no one should be allowed to jump over people who are geographically responsible for an area. If you gotta deconflict, deconflict, but no "special" unit should be allowed to run willy-nilly ops in someone else's neighborhood without them being able to say yes or no.

Because the guy that's responsible for that area will be left with the bag of poop. Like this poor guy (who wanted to stay in Italy and retire in a nice vineyard): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Seldon_Lady

If you're gonna play, you're gonna have to ask permission, ask the regional commander, who will ask the ambassador and chief of station.

MattB
MattB 5pts

Check out the brains on LCpl X.

You're way above your pay scale.

LCpl X
LCpl X 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

F-you, man.

Fact: there's already way too much redundancy it's not even funny. We don't need MARSOC to train indiges, when there's way more than enough SF ODAs to do this. Get them out of MARSOC, if there's no more money, no reason for Marines to be there. Marines will do our own thang, we did pre-9/11.

You look at SOCOM right now, and you have more supporting pogues than anything, why not utilize intel/law enforcement capabilities? Downsize SOCOM.

Everyone's dreading the peace time Marine Corps, because it's gonna be back to painting rocks and palm trees again and iron the fuck out of our cammies, but hey, that's why we're all putting in for that Darwin base in Australia, right?

DoD needs to go back to painting rocks and trees again, because we as a nation need to use all that money to revitalize our country to compete with China.

Our intel/law enforcement will have to do the hi-speed lo-drag stuff for now, while we paint rocks and trees. It's called prioritizing, and DoD needs to sit the next 10-15 yrs out. Luckily enough books and papers have been written that all this institutional knowledge gained will be there as reference, when the time comes.

For now, time to draw down, DoD needs to draw down.

LCpl X
LCpl X 5pts

@JackMurphyRGR

Yeah, that's a great read, man! In "One Bullet Away", Capt. Fick, mentions the basics, shoot, move, communicate, having done all the hi-speed, lo-drag stuff, when he went to Iraq, he basically went there as a basic infantry guy. Kinda like this video, with Willie Nelson singing 'the Scientist'. Sometimes it's just time to go back to the start and start all over again from the start, we've over complicated things with GWOT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMfSGt6rHos

JerryBiolchini
JerryBiolchini 5pts

The thing to consider is that the post9-11 Army strength and budget are going to be higher then they were pre9-11. that is assuming of course current trends hold but who knows.

Any case the ones that wil feel austerity the most will be the line guys. They always. Always will. I wouldn't be surprised if in four years armor units will do crew drills in golf carts.

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts

Smarter not harder is coming to DOD whether they like it or not. Austerity is already on it's way.

It could be a good thing if we focus on tactics, squad level operations, and the sort of stuff written about in "The Last Hundred Yards" by H. John Poole.

JerryBiolchini
JerryBiolchini 5pts

I don't know what to think. On one hand it reads as if Admiral McRaven wants to have a more stream lined process for SOCOM support requests (free of Pentagon red tape) and more leeway in what/how SOCOM provides support. Most likely even to say no.

Then I get near the end and NY Times makes it sound like McRaven is looking to put together Rainbow Six. I have to believe SOCOM knows their limitations. So they are't looking to replace any other unit in the military. Also I have to believe that SOCOM knows this fight better then others. Typically - from what I am told and have read in reports - that SOCOM forces (once on the ground) are not the most loved guys around. I know plenty of field grade and GOs that could care less for SOCOM units - even in light of the tremendous burden they carry right now. So it stands that McRaven is looking for some muscle as conventional forces draw down. It doesn't mean his fight lessened up any.

Lastly, I don't know how SF requests get in. Meaning how does an ODA get a mission to go to a nation to perform FND or some other training operation. I assume its a joint State Department/DoD request. SF don't just how up one day. So in that McRaven may actually be asking for the US to more aggressive in getting Army SF into nations that traditionally don't see it or ever had it. In this way the SF can be the first eyes to a possible terrorist hide hole.

Just my two cents on it.

Solomon
Solomon 5pts

@JerryBiolchini i get you but i also can't stand the way that SOCOM leaves a mission then jumps back in and claims it.

take the Rangers for instance. airfield seizure was once one of their main missions. all of a sudden the Rangers take it for themselves. and they don't just do it to conventional forces they do it to each other. how about Force Recon taking pre-assault recon from BN Recon and then SEALs taking it away from them both.

then came the war on terror and all of a sudden everyone in SOCOM are raiders. Rangers must have been pissed but hey...its that way. now the wars are winding down and everyone wants to go back to their bread and butter. training of foreign forces...it got pushed to the conventional forces and they did a fine job of it...but now Special Forces is seeking to flow back into the mission. Rangers will stay raiders. Recon is seeking to shape itself into a maritime raid force and i don't know what the SEALs are trying to do.

its a mess right now and everyone is jumping through hoops without anykind of leadership from the top down.

you want to talk about roles and functions? no one has a clue. all you have is a bunch of power plays that will see very little done.

Solomon
Solomon 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@JerryBiolchini meant to say that airfield seizure was once the main mission of the 82nd airborne..then the Rangers took it.

JerryBiolchini
JerryBiolchini 5pts

@JackMurphyRGR great. look forward to them!

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts

@JerryBiolchini I have some future articles coming up about the issues you guys are mentioning. I see Rangers giving up Airfield Seizures to focus on other missions in the future so that might get kicked back down to eighty-deuce. That's just my opinion as I look at the direction we are heading in at the moment.

JerryBiolchini
JerryBiolchini 5pts

I don't know. First understand I am an outsider so to speak. My "career" was as a Leg Ordnance Officer...and then I was in Armor units. Still looking at it from a operations guy I can only assume (the good way) that SOF missions are decided based on the kind of target. The best example is how Dalton Fury described in KILL BIN LADEN. Clearly Delta fought a SF mission. They are not there to prop up a foreign military and do FND. But they could in pinch because the principles are similar, so are some skills sets....and frankly some of Delta were SF. So it is not alien. Would I count on Delta to be able to do this often? no. Not at all. Much like using the 82nd Airborne to be police. Not really in the skill set no matter how hard we try. Still I think mission goes to a SOF unit based on the target. Again Delta got its mission because Bin Laden was the target. If just defeating the Taliban were the target then it would have been an SF mission. Fine line maybe but SOCOM probably lives on that line daily (credit goes to Jack from an earlier conversation I had with him by the by).

But some of the issues you mention I would say is really family problems and that has to get sorted quick....not to mention being asked to do things that are outside their skill set and mission focus. SOCOM has succeeded because loosing is not an option. Unlike a conventional unit that may accept failure because they weren't trained. So...what does this do? Creates an environment where you go to the SEALs ALL the time or to SF or to....see where this leads? In that it supports my first point that maybe McRaven is looking for the freedom to decide who, what, and how he supports a request.....even from the Pentagon Princes.

No idea for sure...just how I see it.

BrandonWebb
BrandonWebb moderator 5pts

Solomon-

Of course. And I agree we are stretched thin across the board.

Solomon
Solomon 5pts

@BrandonWebb darn it Brandon! i wanted push back! i think i'm right but would sure LOVE to be convinced i'm wrong.

come on guy....tell me why i'm full of it. i know they had to have hashed this out in the puzzle rooms down in Tampa...I JUST CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW THEY THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA. if you could give me some insight into the thinking then i would appreciate it but from the news story it just seems like its a power play.

Solomon
Solomon 5pts

everyone here is skipping over the real issue. McRaven wants to be able to sit in Tampa and deploy forces to say S. America without having to talk to the Combatant Commander in charge of that region.

why is this a big deal? because it would put him in a position of being in essence a global combatant commander. he would not have to request forces...he would just send his people anywhere without having to consult with State, the greater DoD etc.

that should be chilling to anyone with any grey matter between their ears.

the guy wants to have the power to basically conduct operations world wide...and when something goes south...and stuff will eventually go south, then whoever happens to be in the area will get painted with actions they had no idea of and hearts and minds could suffer a terrible blow.

you can tap dance and talk about a SOF centric universe but even the champions of SOF operations called for plus ups from regular forces in Afghanistan when all i heard was that it was a Special Ops 'olympics'....i hope this idea gets shot down. its pure dee bulls*it and everyone knows it.

MattEvenhouse
MattEvenhouse 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Well said Brandon and Jack. Though not a military doc myself, (just a civilian ER doc/SWAT doc/consultant) but rather an observer/servant, I see the same struggles on the medical side. The military medicine folks are struggling to understand where medicine fits in the big COIN picture. How do you provide the same life saving medical care to the force and innocents when they are distributed across the globe in small groups? How do you build your medical system? Where do you put your medical assets and how does the wounded soldier get there? Or better yet, how much high end medicine can you give the teams so they can manage their wounded in the field? Can you link them to resources via technology? This and about a million other questions plague the conventional military and challenge SOF. I've seen some great SOF medicine innovation already, I think the true answer is exactly along the lines of Jack's comment, The solution is much more than just a military or even a SOF one. If we want to preserve our way of life for future generations, be stewards of this earth and defend the freedom of others, we will ALL need to contribute. There are numerous private groups with capabilities which can enhance SOF's mission. I don't have all the answers but I have a few good ideas (mostly medical), It would be great to see a way for the larger private community to interface with SOF and coordinate investment and development in step with the mission, hopefully to avoid cross purposes and make use of synergies that arise from collaboration.

matt

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I can't speak in regards to regional commanders but junior officers and senior NCO's have basically had all authority stripped from them. They are so micro-managed that they can't address the terrain to their immediate front. I'm sad to say that Sergeant Majors today are so spinless that they've been reduced to acting as secretaries to the Colonels. They are no longer the voice of the men (often the voice of reason) or the standard bearer for their unit. Having a Sergeant Major tell an Officer "no" when he pitches his next big idea is just something that doesn't happen anymore.

We need to look at decentralizing the force and making it scalable all the way down to the Squad level. The days of massive tank battles and WWII offensives are long over. We can't fight a decentralized enemy with a highly centralized, vertically itigrated command structure that tells ground troops that what they are seeing on the ground is actually not real but rather the analysts back in the States got it all figured out. I'll stop there before I got off on even more of a tagent.

Also, Three Cups of Tea turned out to be Three Cups of BS. That dude got outted in a bad way for making stuff up. That said, I agree that if you actually want to "win" we need to invest in long term economic development in these countries. That means industry, infrastructure, and most important, education even if it's just trade schools.

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Tango9
Tango9 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@JackMurphyRGR It doesn't matter what branch of service you're from, but I can tell you that this is an increasing problem: where you point out that junior officers and senior NCOs are afraid to say anything. I don't know how it is in the SF community, but I deal with Sgt Joe Schmo every day and I can tell you for certain I don't know a single one of them that would break ranks and tell Maj so-n-so that an idea or policy is wrong. They know it's wrong, and they'll cry about it downchain (and that's even worse) but won't say a word in the staff meeting. Ok, I take it back. My best friend is a Command Chief and he's probably the finest NCO I've ever known. But he's the exception and not the rule. As a SSgt, I once went toe to toe with a Lt Col security forces commander on an issue he was dead wrong about. He lost his mind... he was dumbfounded that I had the temerity to tell him he was wrong. And this was 10 years ago. From my perspective, I wasn't trained to shut up and let my officers fail, I was paid and trained to contribute to the mission of my unit. I don't know that this mentality still exists...

JerryBiolchini
JerryBiolchini 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

@Tango9@JackMurphyRGR

we just need better leadership training in general. I agree with you that Cavalry charges, massive airborne drops are done....well I say that and then next war we need them. but the Pentagon still fears the pre-WWII days.

I think leaders need more vetting. Even possibly being made to do an enlisted tour for 3 years. Earn at least ONE good conduct medal. The 4 year degree thing I understand to a point, but honestly the British don't require their officers to have degrees. A degree alone doesn't make an officer.

I have said that the reason I left after 5 years was because I had played out the troop leading level. There was no reason to carry on and do the 3-4 year officer thing. I saw company commanders treated like O3 platoon leaders. No thank you.

Hell I even had my first battalion commander once tell me he hated lieutenants. I thought that was odd since I was sure he had been one at one time or another.

JerryBiolchini
JerryBiolchini 5pts

@JackMurphyRGR@Tango9 Yeah. Sandhurst is a two academy. I did some time with Brits when they came to Ft Hood. Talk about an experience.

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts

@JerryBiolchini@Tango9 I didn't know that about the British military...

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