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July 17, 2014

Three Ways the US Government Could Kill Edward Snowden

In my particular circle, my comrades and I find ourselves in our respective man-caves and cubicle farms discussing women, guns and politics with emotional declarations that raise our beer mugs, testosterone levels, and professional camaraderie — and not always in that order. Sometimes, we are even driven to detailed fantasies about pulling off great crimes, living like rock stars, and solving every single one of the world’s most glaring problems with swift and appropriate violence.

In the deepest, darkest recesses of my man-cave, for example, we have meticulously planned how to take down a cruise liner knowing that there’s 10 million in cash (yep) and zero security (exactly) aboard. We’ve planned our own wars with countries all around the globe, mostly because we can and it’s also what we do…and we’re pretty exceptional at it. We’ve gone as far as talking about specific gear, guns and tactics that we would use depending on the strategies we devise.


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  • chunkielover63

    SEAN SPOONTS(MAFIA) chunkielover63  Maybe I am naive, but understand that I in no shape or form meant to imply that I think the Russian government would willingly give Snowden up. What I was suggesting was that, as said in the article, if there's a chance to kidnap him instead of "making him disappear" it's better to bring him back to America to face a trial! I believe this because, and I don't mean this in a offensive manner, but at least online a lot of Americans seem to be very suspicious and mistrust your own government, I mean there has even been support for what Edward Snowden did in America despite breaking the law and harming/ increasing vulnerability from potential enemies, I believe this is a far worse and potentially more dangerous then any terrorist organisation out there since history have shown that the best way, and perhaps the only way in the age of nuclear weapons to bring down an empire is from within... Murdering Snowden is not going to restore the trust in the government, quite the opposite.

  • SEAN SPOONTS(MAFIA)

    chunkielover63 I think your compassion and empathy makes you a little naive to think Russia will simply hand this guy over to us.  Russia is not our friend or ally and there is never been a treaty signed by the Russians(including extradition treaties) that they did not break or violate. And Snowden is not a "defector."  He did not renounce his citizenship and ask for political asylum in Russia.  In any event one does not legally defect after stealing classified documents by the hard drive full.  That is the act of a criminal and a traitor.  Whatever his political reservations about the nature of surveillance in this country, that is not an excuse to steal classified material and make common cause with the enemies of your country.

  • chunkielover63

    Okay, I must admit that this article turned my stomach at first. I've been very vocal against Snowdens treasury and blasting the Germans for overreacting about NSA spying when in principle they're doing the same thing as shown now with the revelation of intercepted private conversations of John Kerry and Hillary Clinton, and a more broad spying policy on the NATO ally Turkey by BND, not just on the same scale... But killing a American citizen without a trial isn't something to be taken lightly, I would recommend that he was extradited and brought before a court to answer for his crimes, based on a simple moral/emotional sense. I'm not being a pussy which 99% of you Sofrep guys reading this are probably thinking now, but rather smart since empathy and compassion has a logic of its own in geopolitics/National security just like Albert Einstein said imagination has in science. I mean one of the primary reasons we( The west and USA) won the cold war was our ideal of a free society and basic understanding of human rights rather then a police state where the most competent institution was the security services such as those countries in the eastern block, who did just what this article suggests to its defectors. And there is also a purely Machiavellian argument as not to kill Snowden since he allegedly has put away further information about sensitive operations of the US intelligence community that is to be released if anything happens to him. Might be that CIA and others have located who is holding it for him and neutralized it( not meaning killing the person but seizing the leaked documentation), but this I haven't heard any proof of so id rather take it safe then sorry in this case.   Very interesting that you imply that he was a agent acting for a foreign power, it smelled like a Russia/Chinese covert op to me when I heard about the leaks and read something in "the hill" that lawmakers where investigating his affiliation with Moscow, but last i heard it was cancelled due to lack of evidence. Do you have any other publications that verifies your suspicions? On a side note its amazing to me that some Americans say they're patriots and serve in the US military but hate your own elected government, i don't mean to offend anyone but its just strange that you "hate" your own government while taking great pride in serving in the Military which constitutes for >18% of federal spending me that's like working at McDonald's even though you hate fast food. -Jakob

  • alexanderscrawford

    Coriolanus alexanderscrawford LadyHW Coriolanus, The current admin isn't very tolerant of an 'outsider' such as myself mucking about in their C.I. sandbox (to say the least).   There was obviously a shift away from a Military Intelligence approach to CI, in favor of the approach favored by the NSB/FBI, which is where the current director and the WH's 'cyber-czar' seem to have adopted their prevailing policy views.   It probably doesn't help that I've been very publicly skeptical that a Law Enforcement approach in either the 'Cyber-realm' or regarding CI, will result in a happy ending for any of the US institutional parties involved (which seems to have borne out over time).   Again, it's been my strong suspicion that too much domestic partisan political agenda has seeped it's way into our National CI Strategic framework…  Coriolanus… If you're interested in the roots of this seepage, there was a broad reorganization of the GAO that went into effect back in 2000, and which, the former U.S. Comptroller General, David Walker, has very publicly NOT commented on since his premature retirement in 2007.  Of particular import is the relocation of 'field offices' related to the reorganized sub-divisions within the GAO… because only a tiny fraction of what GAO investigators discover, or log in their notes and interviews, ever make it into the final submitted reports.  The investigators 'raw' notes are kept in boxes at the field offices, and were political staffers of members of Congress where those offices were located… 'camp out' there, in order to dig through raw data for their political masters…  Of particular interest is the logic behind much of the 'new' divisions within the GAO post-2000.  If you'd like, I'll dig up the links this weekend and post them for you. Best, A. Scott Crawford

  • Coriolanus

    alexanderscrawford Coriolanus LadyHW  I appreciate the commentary on Brenner and NCIX, so without going into too much detail one need only look at that the National CI strategy for 2009. The new one is out but hasn't been published. One of the key mandates is "technically enabled" CI or human intelligence. That's just now. If you know CI and HUMINTers in general, you know they treat new technology with suspicion. They remind me a lot of cats. Curious as fuck, skittish as all hell. So you wave an iPhone near them and they are liable to tear off to another room. No fault really of their own. They are product of their function. Good on 'em. We should all run from iPhones. The culture has to shift there, and then we need to follow the new mandate, despite it being really late in the game. So what the hell is the point here? The point is all these really cool gadgets are really worthless without people and spies to work their magic. That means you need some geeky HUMINTers. Good luck with that. In lieu of that, you need an analytic cell working hand in-no homo-hand with them. Training them, facilitating them, taking their shit and cross referencing with back-end data the IC collects. You don't need a whole JIC or TOC for this. Just a couple of prior SOT-A's or all source analysts.   Now...we may have indeed experimented with this but that doesn't do anything without a larger policy framework in which to operate. And that means changing the rules. The best that I saw in this regard recently is the JUWTF Execute Order. Wherein latitude was granted to DoD elements to conduct serious shaping operations. Outside of that...everybody is kinda runnin' off doing their own thing. That's cool an all. But good luck with deconfliction and good luck actually making a dent in our adversaries. We are all on the same side. We gotta play like it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Unconventional_Warfare_Task_Force_Execute_Order http://www.dni.gov/files/documents/Newsroom/Reports%20and%20Pubs/NatlCIStrategy2009.pdf