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Unconventional Warfare 101

by Blake Miles · April 10, 2012 · Posted In: Op-Ed, Special Operations, USASOC
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“Thus, what is of supreme importance in war is to attack the enemy’s strategy.” — Sun Tzu, The Art of War

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Our enemies do not wear uniforms with flags and patches. Our enemies do not adhere to the same Law of Land Warfare that all other uniformed soldiers throughout the world are bound by. They fight often and they fight dirty. They fight in ways Americans find abhorrent. But most importantly above all else, they fight to win.

If you were to take a random sampling of American adults, and asked them to explain some basic concepts behind “Unconventional Warfare”, you would likely receive blank stares or more likely, teenagers mumbling something about “shooting people in the face on XBOX”. While the term ‘warfare’ indicates that shooting people in the face not only a possibility, but is all too often a reality. At it’s core, the concept of unconventional warfare deals with concepts that can transform warfare into something of a true art. (Note: I’m not an expert on this topic, but I’m well versed enough to know what I’m talking about)American Revolution

Before we continue this discussion, it is important to contrast and define these two terms. Unconventional warfare is quite literally, warfare lacking modern conventions. During the American Revolution or the Civil War, it was conventional to line up volleys of fire until the call came to assault. During World War II, the convention was to fight with dismounted troops supported by heavy artillery, air support, and armor. Today, what used to be considered unconventional has become almost entirely conventional.

Unconventional warfare at its essence is fighting without strictly defined boundaries or protocols. The constant guiding light of strategy in unconventional warfare is not to be found in the nearest Brigade headquarters, nor in the Pentagon to be entirely honest. The strategies at the large scale are determined by same men who determine the tactical courses of action on the small scale. Decisions are decentralized. Highly trained, mature, dedicated, professional men are trusted to accomplish long-term command directed tasks with little, if any, supervision or oversight, aside from checking in and calling for support when necessary.

Taliban beat a woman in KabulSep.2001Our current enemy fights this way. They are effective because their global strategy is relatively simple and unambiguous: defeat the West and her allies in order to create power vacuums to be filled by players to be named later. Speaking of those players to be named later, the regional strategies are determined by a wide array of Mullahs and Sheiks spread out across the six inhabited continents of the world. From there, armies are built from the ground up: underground networks of trainers and financiers; auxiliary networks of safe houses and eight year old scouts with walkies-talkies.

Our enemy is no fool. They are clever enough to recognize that we are fighting them the way one would expect a large force trying to act like a small force engaging an even smaller, decentralized force. Where we are present, they are hidden. Where we are absent, they are many. Where we think we are safe, they attack. Where we go, they are already in our path, waiting with IEDs and small arms. When we arrive at our destination, they have already slipped away into the darkness. They know Sun Tzu’s Art of War intimately, even if they don’t know who Sun Tzu was (it’s probably difficult to read Sun Tzu when it is not actually in the Koran).

I haven’t even included the tactic of suicide bombing in this discussion. I imagine Sun Tzu would be thoroughly impressed by that one. Unconscionably abhorrent, yet ridiculously effective no matter how you look at it. Suicide bombers were, are and will continue to be a game changer in many ways on

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the psychological and tactical front. Along that same vein of effective tactics: lone gunmen who achieve positions of relative trust within their , and then flip the switch and open fire on their former ‘brothers’. Disgusting, cowardly, but again—effective.

Beginning to notice a pattern? Where we fail, our enemy succeeds. While they simultaneously strike fear in our allies and hope their supporters, we only strike fear in them when our boots are on their necks. But we are often limited in our scope and range of options. Unless of course, they have a big ST6 bulls-eye on their chest. There is, however, another way: unconventional warfare, as the name implies and as it was intended. The problem, however always arises when it comes time for the Unconventional Warriors to maintain Operational Control over their own tactics and strategies.

When I think of the foundation in which the United States Army Special Forces was built on, I think of the Jedburgh teams and the OSS who disrupted lines of communication in the occupied French countryside. I think of the close bonds built by the first groups of Army Special Forces (aka “green berets”) in Southeast Asia and their Montagnard compatriots. I think of the crushing retribution on the heads of the Taliban and Al Qaeda, hand delivered by the 5th Special Forces Group and their Northern Alliance allies (on horseback no less!).

Afghanistan 2001This is what the Unconventional Warriors of the United States Army Special Forces are capable of accomplishing when given free reign to fight these numerous unconventional conflicts in the unconventional manner they demand. How would one define this unconventional strategy and how would it work in current conflicts? In Part II of this series, I will discuss just that. A relatively simple outline for victory when engaged in wars where the rules are bent, broken, smelted down, and reshaped into some sort of abstract art, which is filled with explosives and remotely detonated.

Obviously, the best tactical plans never survives first contact, and the best strategic plans are always a few steps ahead. Given those truths, it is of vital importance to have men of the caliber of the United States Army 1st Special Forces Regiment on the ground calling the unconventional shots when the battle-space is full of mini-tyrants and those they oppress.  It’s what we’re trained for. Hell, it’s our motto: De Oppresso Liber – Liberate the Oppressed!

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KeithMurphy
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Sun Tzu, The basics will always win, Leadership by Example

 

Recon6
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Rangers Lead The Way!  Best Ranger competition has begun!!  Good Luck to All !

Tango9
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Here it is.  Here's how this war would have been over 3 years ago:

 

You drop 12-man teams into every town.  I say 12-man in general, but pick a ratio of 1 warrior to every 20 people, 8 being minimum for other reasons.  larger villes may take more than 12.

 

logistics is key:  keep the people fed, provide medical care, and provide security.  Recruit and train locals to defend their homes, their animals.

 

Build trust, reinforce respect.  Cowboys need not apply.  Check your ego at the door.

 

The teams that do this have to be removed from links to home.  That is:  you pick single troops without kids. 

 

Is it possible? yes.  Is it probable?  no.

 

If you can't do that, then leave.  Because you cannot win.

Tango9
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The difference, and this I do not have an answer to, is this:  You send soldiers to not just deploy for 8-12-16 months and then come home. 

 

You send them and you tell them:  THIS is now your new home.  Make it work. 

 

That is a high price to pay and something not part of the way we think of ourselves or our nation.

LCpl X
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 @Tango9 

 

This is Major Gant's "One Tribe at a Time" on steroids:

http://www.stevenpressfield.com/2009/10/one-tribe-at-a-time-4-the-full-document-at-last/

 

And Kaplan's chapter in "Imperial Grunts", 

'The Man who would be Khan':

http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/2004/03/kaplan.htm

 

Staying is the best part of your plan, reminds me of Dalrymple's "White Mughals", stories of British soldiers and East India company men getting all dirty with the locals. Staying means you're gonna have to marry into the culture, which culture will prevail? Conrad's Heart of Darkness or Dalrymple's more optimist take of a hybrid culture. Very interesting.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xv9cRcqGWk

 

The selection process for this undertaking would be interesting to say the least. You can't have a bunch of Glenn Beck or Bill O'reilly fans, they'll end up shooting everyone in the village, and you can't have Rachel Maddow and Erin Burnett fans, they'll just fold. You'll need someone like @JackMurphyRGR , if you can replicate this type of soldier your plan will work.

 

Tango9
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 @ArcticWarrior  @LCpl X  @JackMurphyRGR This is an extreme approach, but understand that if you do this, you don't ask for permission from the populace:  you just do it. 

 

It's either that or carpet bombing.

ArcticWarrior
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 @Tango9  @LCpl X  @JackMurphyRGR

 The tricky part is when the local populace thinks its time for you to leave and you dont. What your calling is similar to what the Legions did and that had mixed results in the end. I would imagine it would start of great but would wane, nobody wants occupying troops in their 'hood no matter how involved you become.

The Afghani's are way too clan based and we arent their blood, no matter if we married in, we would be outsiders eternally. Look at the Kalash. The other Guls and clan members look at them with some contempt because amongst other things they may have the blood of Alexander in them.

Iraq is all about the Sunni/Shia thing, no amount of living amongst them will change that the Shia look at Ali as the first Imam, and that will still piss off the Sunni.

On paper your plan is solid. On the ground in that part of the world, only if maybe a thousand more years pass by.

Recon6
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 @Tango9  @LCpl X  @JackMurphyRGR Tango, written by

Bing West, titled "The Village".  Hope that helps

LCpl X
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 @Tango9 

 

That's a great selection question right there, T.

 

Where do you wish to spend your leave or any type of long hiatus?

 

a). Aruba

b). Al-Azhar in Cairo

c). Work on Mawdudi dissertation

d). backpack through Xinjiang

e). study Persian in Tajikistan

f). b, c, d, and e (anything but Aruba)

 

The CIA's having this exact problem in their hiring, they want OSS types, but are settling for posers, current societal norms just don't produce these types anymore, and many like these don't join the military anymore.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donn_F._Draeger

LCpl X
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 @Recon6 

 

Absolutely! Thanks for bringing that one up, by Bing West:

 

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan/08/world/la-fg-marines-book8-2010jan08

Tango9
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 @Recon6  @LCpl X  @JackMurphyRGR I'm not familiar with it... But if you dig it up please let me know.  I'd like to read it.

Recon6
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 @Tango9  @LCpl X  @JackMurphyRGR   Tango, not sure, but wasn't there a quasi attempt at this in V.N.?  Have a book on my shelf, unread as of now, referencing a Marine unit that attempted such.  Named "The Village"  again, not sure of the facts or logistics, just a vague recollection.

Tango9
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 @LCpl X  @JackMurphyRGR You still have to support those guys:  you pay them, you bring in ammo, food and medical supplies, provide comms:  It's still  war, not a social experiment.

 

give them their 30 days leave, let them bring their new afghan buddy/wife whatever with them to Aruba... But the key is that they do become part of the nation:  they're invested in it.  When the local guy sees this, his loyalty (if it is to be won) will be won.

 

Your enemy will stop and think, and instead of shooting at you he might just not.  Course you're going to have to hunt down the bad eggs, but imagine how much easier it would be.  I grew up in a small town.  Everyone knew who the bad eggs were, it wasn't a mystery. 

Riceball
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Hmm, where's LCpl X in this topic? He seems to be pretty active in every other post but this one, without him around who else is going to post all sort of pics and Youtube videos for us?

LCpl X
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 @Riceball 

 

Hahaha... This is Small Wars Journal 2007, man.

warfarecenter
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Actually, Unconventional Warfare is a doctrinal term specifically describing our support to insurgencies in coersing or toppling a gov't or removing an occupying power.  What you describe in your article is not UW 101 but more aptly called Irregular Warfare, a term born in the QDR 2006 to describe the fight we've been in (and ironically have fought similarly since the Seven Years War).  SF certainly conducted UW in Afghanistan as well as early in Iraq and remains the only DoD force specifically selected, manned, trained and equipped for this mission.

Blake Miles
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 @warfarecenter I'm noticing a few discussions over specific terms used. This article was based on my training, personal experience, and absorbing knowledge from the wizards that I was operating with. No actual research was done for this topic, so terms may have changed, but the bottom line remains the same. You make a valid, important argument, but both irregular warfare and unconventional warfare are blanket terms with enough overlapping functions to make the line very blurry (at least in my mind). I'm sure whatever officer who wrote the specific article got a wonderful bullet on his Officer Evaluation Report :) Names may change, but functions are still the same.

Tango9
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 @warfarecenter Irregular or asymmetric warfare are terms that existed long before the quadrennial defense review of 2006.  "Unconvential" is admittedly an awkward term:  it's lazy in application.

 

Strictly defining a muddy term like "unconvential" is pedantic.  I think, War, you'll find here people that are decidedly not followers of the documents that are vented out of the Pentagon.  We all knew what he meant.

Trapdoor
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Our military has made a huge mistake in the past since 2001.  If the enemy is not wearing a uniform, they are not accorded the "honors or war" and should be summarily shot and their bodies thrown in a ditch (or ocean in the case of Somali pirates).  More "political correctness" lunacy destroying our Constitutional Republic.

JackMurphyRGR
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 @Trapdoor I sense a lot of unintentional irony in this comment...  You realize that many of our soldiers are also not wearing uniforms, right?  This is legal under the Geneva Conventions except if it is to use the deception to get close to a target for purposes of assassination.  For recce missions there is no legal obligation to be in uniform and if you are fired upon you are then cleared to fire back in self defense.

Trapdoor
Trapdoor 5pts

 @JackMurphyRGRI'm new to this site and got here on a recommendation. I was in the Army 40 years ago but am not current aware of the details of what is happening now. I do not understand that our soldiers are not wearing uniforms when on duty in a war in combat, please explain. Obviously Islamic Radical who wish to do us harm or are pirates and are not wearing uniforms are not legal under the Geneva Conventions.  They should be summarily executed. I do not know the acronym "recce".

Tango9
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 @Trapdoor  @JackMurphyRGR correction, Tom Norris was dressed as VC.

Tango9
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 @JackMurphyRGR  @Ben K  @Trapdoor Navy SEAL Tom Norris rescued Lt Col Hambleton in Vietnam (you might be familiar with this story from the film: BAT-21) while dressed as an NVA. 

 

ODA 555 wore indigenous clothes while coordinating with the Northern Alliance to take Kabul.  This is not uncommon.

JackMurphyRGR
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 @Ben K  @Trapdoor Yes, recce just means recon.  Our soldiers are not always uniformed when performing their duties.  This was also the case 40 years ago with our soldiers in Vietnam, particularly when you look at the Phoenix Project and such.  Asking a 19-year old Private in the Army to summarily execute an enemy (uniformed or not) has profound reprecussions as that young man.  Putting that burden on him would be cowardly and irresponsible, not to mention unethical of us.

Ben K
Ben K 5pts

 @Trapdoor  Recce is just shorthand for Recon, although the term seems to be most commonly used in Commonweatlh militaries.  Pun unintentional.

 

Jeff
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Hmm, never thought Sun Tzu's strategies from way back in time in China could be applied to modern day war.

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ArcticWarrior
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 @Tango9

 Well it depends on what was the objective. Was it to destroy the AQ Sr leadership and network? Check

Kill a lot of Talibs? Check

In fact looking back did we ever really have a clear plan other then those two things?

Tango9
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 @ArcticWarrior If we had FSOs from State that had any balls this would have been done.  But my definition of pussy is = state dept FSO

ArcticWarrior
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 @Tango9  @BDW

 The system and goals suffered from Mission Creep, especially for CFs.

ArcticWarrior
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 @Tango9

 Right, now try and explain that to some E3s who are now tasked with watching "smugglers" when deep down  everyone wanted to catch OBL and get some pay back, even if it was 2 years plus past due.

Compare that to ODS, Powell and Schwartzkopf made it CLEAR the objective was to kick the Iraqis ass out of Kuwait, with all available force, and then we can go home, everyone understood that.

 

Tango9
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 @ArcticWarrior  @BDW I'm not very smart, but here's this:

 

We put enough boots on the ground to protect the Afghan people.  We open the ROE to enable the guys on the ground to make the decisions.  We integrate into their society and we protect them like they're our own.  We take ownership of the burden, and we do it selflessly. 

 

We don't occupy their nation, we integrate with them and enable their freedom (no human wants to not be free). 

 

We have not done this on the large scale.  I know, personally, people that have done this on the micro level... but then they rotate back and all is lost.  I want to pound my head against the wall because the answer is so simple, yet we lose so many because the answer doesn't fit with our system.

Tango9
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 @ArcticWarrior afg. is like iraq like pasta is like ice cream.  But the question is:  what the fuck is the objective?  I don't know.  The dudes on the ground don't know.  Do you know?  Can anyone tell me?

ArcticWarrior
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 @BDW  @Tango9

 Exactly-

BDW
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 @Tango9  @ArcticWarrior It was called the Powell Doctrine and was thrown out the window and considered old fashion by a SecDef that thought he knew better.  Thought the lessons of Vietnam were useless in today's conflicts...hmmm

Tango9
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 @ArcticWarrior You'd think we'd have learned this by now.

ArcticWarrior
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 @Tango9

 " KEEP THE FUCKING PROMISE." - right there

Tango9
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 @ArcticWarrior I'll say this:  you CAN win 1 heart and 1 mind 1 heart and 1 mind at a time.  The cost of doing that is tremendous.  We've tasked our guys on the ground with a burden that they can't possibly carry.  We'd need 300K more troops on the ground and we could do it:

 

take and hold every town, village, hut in Afg.  Care for their sick, promise them security and KEEP THE FUCKING PROMISE.

 

I think I speak for everyone that's been there and all my friends who have:  we do half a job then we leave.  No fault of the guys on the ground, it's a political problem.

Tango9
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 @ArcticWarrior Yup.  When you think about it the unintended goal was to change the mindset of a bunch of religious fanatics.  This cannot be done with rifles and F-16s.  In fact, it's impossible.

 

The only way to remove the threat is to... remove the threat.  In this day and age that is impossible.  So?  what do you do?

Tango9
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Why would they not?  People haven't changed.  Warfare is the same:  overwhelm your enemy and make the cost of continuing the fight unacceptable.

HugeFan
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@Tango9 I think he was being sarcastic bro... at least I hope the he was being sarcastic...

Tango9
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 @HugeFan  @Tango9 Yup.  probably. sorry Jeff, I've got a hair up my ass on this topic so sometimes I get tunnel vision.

HugeFan
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"I hope that"... I also hope that I will learn to proof read my posts before submitting them.

BDW
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I don't agree entirely with your 4th paragraph.  Strategy does not come from the unconvential warrior tasked with carrying out the tactics of UW.  UW is a means to the ends and doesn't answer the strategic questions of why and what.  It only answers the question of how.

 

There-in lies some of the problem, brought up in Tango9's comment...leadership has no idea about the strategic questions of why and what and that trickles down to snuffy on the ground.  We have no end game or no idea when we have accomplished our strategic aims/goals. 

Blake Miles
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 @BDW I think it's a matter of semantics... I'm saying that the strategic decisions (at the higher level and ground level) are being made based on tactical actions and assessments on the ground made by the unconventional warrior. If strategies at the top aren't shifting fire based on the ground reality, the strategy will not succeed. The objectives decide the strategy, which decides the tactics. Based on what I'm seeing and hearing, it doesn't seem like this is the case right now.

 

@Tango9 I think you sum up the feelings of many quite well :)

BDW
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 @GB_SheepDog  @Tango9   It may be a matter of semantics but in this case the meanings of words are important.  Our leaders struggle with the concept of strategy and tactics.  When this happens the country suffers.

 

JackMurphyRGR
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 @BDW We're familiar with doctrinal terms but don't expect to see guys argueing over precise definitions in team rooms or on the battlefield.

BDW
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I'm out

BDW
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but the people leading joe snuffy better know the difference...simple sayings are fine, rules of thumb are helpful...if you are a leader you better damn well know the BASIC terminology of your craft.

 

JackMurphyRGR
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 @BDW  @GB_SheepDog I worked with a guy who used to remark that, "We dazzle eachother with dialect and we baffle ourselves with bullshit".  There is a tremendous about of over philosophizing about military tactics and strategy to the point that it doesn't really mean anything other than forcing junior leaders to use different buzzwords in their CONOPs.  For the soldiers on the ground, they will shift from one tactic/strategy to the next without ever having a name for it.

BDW
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 @GB_SheepDog  I couldn't agree more.  There-in lies the problem.  When there is no clear strategy then you have a vacuum of leadership leaving everyone confused.

BDW
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Not at all saying they can't perform strategic tasks.  On the contrary, you want them to be able to do this.  You employ them to do this.  How you do this (the tactical question) depends on the target, assests available and a host of other things.

Terminology is important.  It is not an esoteric exercise.  If the brass in DC is arguing about it then we are in big trouble....

JackMurphyRGR
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 @GB_SheepDog  @BDW Even if you don't except that an ODA is a strategic asset, you have to understand that a tactical level unit can still capture objectives of strategic significance.  One example would be Rangers capturing Haditha Dam.  Another would be Special Forces overrunning Taliban lines in Northern Afghanistan.  These units can, and do, have a strategic role even as the brass back in DC argues about the terminology.

Blake Miles
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 @BDW  But consider that you're assuming all of our leaders have the same objectives as the military leadership/personnel. If this were the case, Vietnam would not have occurred as it had, and OIF/OEF would have been much different. I think it's fair to say that not all individuals in positions of leadership (of this country and other NATO countries) see success in the Middle East the same way a random Special Forces Team Sergeant on the ground sees it. To be honest, I don't know what certain leaders view as success other than getting out. From a purely strategic vantage, that's not successful in my view.

Tango9
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 @BDW This goes back to an earlier post here:  the hitler "45-slide CONOP"

 

Our SF dudes are trained to get dropped in the middle of some crap and then make sense of it and meet a STRATEGIC (not tactical) objective.  Leave them the fk alone.  You (the taxpayers, and you clowns in the pentagon) trained them to do THIS.

 

It just drives me crazy that the 5-ring circus thinks they know more than the 8-man team on the ground.  I bite.

HugeFan
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@Tango9 @BDW I still prefer to call them the "five-sided clusterfuck" it just drips with venom. Don't wanna hijack the convo but my grandfather served a total of two months (as an attache for NI) and said "Fuck this!" and became the commander of the brig at 32nd Street in San Diego back in the late 70's. Yep, you heard me right he decided on that rather than be involved in the debacle in DC. He said that if that's how he had to get Flag rank then he'd rather retire.

Tango9
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 @HugeFan  @Tango9  @BDW One of my good friends is a retired Maj Gen.  He avoided the 5-sided asylum for all but 1 year.

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 @Tango9  I agree with this.  If they don't have a clear strategic objective then you get mission creep at the expense of our warriors.  It must start with a what and why (strategic goal).  Then use whatever tactic to obtain/attain the objective.   Then another leadership lesson....let them get on with it. 

 

 

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