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Shaping the World from the Shadows: The (Open) Secret History of Delta Force, Post-9/11 (Part 1)

by Chris Martin · May 1, 2012 · Posted In: SOF History
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My buddy Chris Martin just finished putting together an amazing article about Delta Force, aggregating all of the open source information that has been released, especially since the beginning of the War on Terror.  Chris did an amazing job and I’m really flattered that he chose SOFREP as the venue to distribute his work.  We will be presenting all five parts of his article but if you’d like to support Chris’ work you can jump over to Amazon and buy the complete work right now. -Jack

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Part 1 of 5

The elimination of Osama bin Laden by SEAL Team Six inside his walled-off compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan wasn’t so much a watershed moment for America’s special operation forces as it was the culmination of decades of experience, innovation, and progress. In particular, the May 2, 2011 raid served to demonstrate the remarkable capabilities that had been developed in the years following 9/11.

The nation celebrated the much-needed victory of Operation Neptune Spear, and the black-ops SEALs of the enigmatic Naval Special Warfare Development Group (DEVGRU) were made instant (if nameless and faceless) celebrities. The term ‘SEAL Team Six’ made its way into the popular lexicon — an internet search returns such references as the “SEAL Team Six of electricians,” “…pest control,” “…dentistry,” and “…special education.” And in an overnight development that can only be described as surreal, ST6 joined politicians, actors, and professional athletes as regular late-night monologue fodder.

That celebrity status hasn’t dimmed; three major motion pictures featuring the Navy’s counter-terrorism unit are in production and Jerry Bruckheimer has a SEAL-based drama in development for the small screen at ABC.i

Meanwhile, as phrases like “most elite” and “best of the best” are casually tossed around in reference to SEAL Team Six,ii their Army equivalents have been allowed to move even deeper into the shadows despite a multitude of world-altering achievements of their own.

 

The Specter of Operations Past

 

Operation Neptune Spear was more than just a success; in many ways it was vindication — for the nation, for the special operations community in general, and for the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) in particular.iii

Throughout the lead-up to the bin Laden raid, three previous failures informed — or perhaps more accurately, haunted – the operation and its ultimate approval. Indeed, President Barack Obama specifically cited all three in a CBS 60 Minutes interview discussing Operation Neptune Spear.iv

The first was Operation Eagle Claw, the failed attempt to rescue 52 Americans held hostage at the U.S. Embassy in Tehran, Iran in 1980. Parked at a desert rendezvous point, running late, and down to five from its original eight helicopters, a bold rescue mission was aborted. Things only got worse when a USMC RH-53 helicopter collided with an USAF EC-130 transport plane while attempting to move into position to refuel and exfiltrate Iran. Eight servicemen were killed and four more injured. The debacle at Desert One delivered a heavy blow to America’s reputation and the resultant political fallout was considerable.

The concern of a Desert One repeat left many of the President’s political and military advisors skeptical about launching an unannounced raid into Pakistan, especially with widely varying estimates concerning whether the al-Qaeda leader would even be found in the Abbottabad compound.v

The Battle of Mogadishu — more popularly known as ‘Black Hawk Down’ — was also on the minds of the President and his inner circle. Operation Gothic Serpent, the attempt to capture Somali warlord Mohammad Farrah Aidid, was cut short in 1993 in the wake of a bloody battle in which 18 American serviceman were killed and one captured (with estimates claiming an additional 500-3000 killed on the other side).vi

The inclusion of a quick reaction force consisting of four MH-47 Chinooks loaded up with additional SEALs and Army Rangersvii to the UBL raid was a late call intended to give the assault team the firepower required to “fight their way out of Pakistan.”viii Even if something were to go wrong, Obama was determined that the SEALs would not get trapped and overrun in the streets of Abbottabad.

The third influential failure hanging over the operation was the Battle of Tora Bora, fought in the mountains of Afghanistan in late 2001 — the last time the nation had solid intelligence of bin Laden’s location before he was tracked down in Pakistan nearly a decade later. Unlike the previous two, Tora Bora served as a motivating factor compelling the decision to undertake Operation Neptune Spear; it stood as a stark reminder of just how fleeting the opportunity to strike might be.

The bin Laden raid is not alone in tying the three historic failures together. They also all happened to be built around JSOC’s other premier direct action special mission unit (SMU).

Among those who speak of the Army’s classified unit unofficially, it goes by a myriad of names — 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta (1st SFOD-D), Delta Force (Delta), Combat Applications Group (CAG), Task Force Green, or simply ‘the Unit.’

And those who speak of it officially… well, they don’t, at least not officially. But the careful observer will notice that its activities are sometimes hinted at on the record, albeit obfuscated via prosaic labels. Generic terms such as “Coalition forces,” “United States special operation forces,” “American commandos,” and the like are sometimes later confirmed to have been used in reference to a Delta operation.

Other times, its successes are credited to other nations.

More commonly, they are never mentioned at all.

Necessary or not, such secrecy has resulted in the Unit’s public image being largely tied to three of the most high-profile failures in modern American military history.

Despite that PR handicap, Delta Force has earned itself a near-mythical status in many quarters. And in fact, even the briefest of inspections makes clear that placing blame on the Unit for the aforementioned operational miscues is a severe mischaracterization.

 

Setting the Unrecorded Record Straight

 

Danny Coulson, founder of the FBI’s Hostage Rescue Team (HRT), spoke of this plight in his memoirs, No Heroes. In reference to Operation Eagle Claw he explained: “The heartbreaking accident was not of Delta’s making. If a bus hauling the Denver Broncos to the Super Bowl crashed, we wouldn’t say the team lost the game. I thought it grossly unfair that the affair tarnished Delta’s public image… Delta was, and is, known for its superb planning process, its scientific approach to assaults, and its extraordinary marksmanship and physical training. It is equal or superior to any other counter-terror force in the world.”ix

Describing Delta’s actions in the Battle of Mogadishu as a failure is even more at odds with the reality on the ground. Mark Bowden’s in-depth account, Black Hawk Down, depicted the Unit’s operators as awe-inspiring soldiers whose technical proficiency, training, and courage under fire went a long way toward preventing what otherwise might have been a far more catastrophic result. Master Sergeant Paul Howe, a former Delta operator who took part in the fight, considered it a most decisive victory for the United States, calling it “one of the most one-sided battles in American history.”x

If anything, to those involved in the operation (as well as those who later studied and commented on it), any failure was one of political will. President Bill Clinton quickly withdrew the troops before they had completed their mission after images of dead Americans being dragged through the streets of Somalia shocked an unsuspecting television audience back home where the military action had been largely unknown.xi

The Battle of Tora Bora, which took place ten weeks after 9/11, too saw highly capable operators severely handicapped by questionable decision making above. The pseudonymous ‘Dalton Fury,’ the A Squadron officer who commanded the troops on the ground at Tora Bora, later relayed that a number of the Unit’s operational plans had been rejected. An audacious bid to surprise bin Laden and his al-Qaeda guards from behind by scaling the 14,000-foot peaks that border Pakistan, a plan to line potential getaway routes with mines, and finally the request of a battalion of Army Rangers to block bin Laden’s escape were all turned down.xii

(While Fury later stated that he didn’t know if those decisions were made at CENTCOM or even higher up, the denial of Rangers for the operation, at least, was reportedly made by then-CENTCOM commander Gen. Tommy Franks.)xiii

Instead, Delta was ordered to put a local face on the operation and was saddled with Afghani allies who were caught up in their own power struggle and of ambiguous allegiance. Meanwhile, Pakistan was expected to seal off the border in exchange for a billion dollars of new economic aid — with less than optimal results.xiv

Still, through the liberal use of air strikes, Delta, CIA officers, Army Special Forces, and a small number of British Special Boat Service troops managed to kill scores of al-Qaeda fighters. Radio intercepts indicated that bin Laden was hurting, desperate, and quickly losing faith — going so far as to grant his men permission to surrender — before somehow making a narrow escape into Pakistan.xv

Whatever the details or the outcomes, the fact remains that Delta is known to the broader public due to their involvement in these three operations and little else outside the realm of fiction.

It’s a perhaps unfortunate reality that it typically takes a national-level fiasco to shed even the smallest amount of light on this secretive unit. But behind the splashy coverage of the mainstream press a largely classified history is silently being written.

 

Bubba’s (Prophetic) Big Idea: Throw Some Ninjas at ‘Em

 

In recent years Delta has been at the heart of a vast, if hidden, global war waged by America’s special operation forces. In the midst of a run of almost endless operational achievements, the full story, when it eventually comes to light, may be regarded as unparalleled in modern military history.

For the past decade Delta Force’s activities have mostly been detailed through a series of vague, incomplete, and/or brief reports from disparate sources. However, as imperfect as the open source record may be, assembled together it hints to operations of unprecedented scope and scale.

Since its formation in the late 1970s, the Unit has been on a perpetual war footing. Even prior to 9/11 Delta enjoyed its fair share of daring successes, albeit mostly underreported. The rescue of American civilian Kurt Muse from the Carcel Modelo prison in Panama City in Operation Acid Gambit in 1989,xvi aiding in the elimination of Colombian drug lord Pablo Escobar in 1993,xvii and an almost unknown operational role in Operation Barras (the SAS-led rescue of several British soldiers in the jungles of Sierra Leone in 2000xviii) are but a few examples. And estimates claim that upwards of 80% of JSOC’s pre-9/11 missions remain classified to this day.xix

However, the memoirs of ex-operators willing to accept being shunned by their former teammates in order to tell their stories feature a common theme. There are repeated tales of missions trained up for but ultimately called off, skills showcased for political VIPs more often than applied in the field, and political and military leaders who were either unaware of the Unit’s full capabilities or unwilling to leverage them.

Among them was Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf, the commander of the Coalition Forces in the first Gulf War. Gen. Schwarzkopf was skeptical of special operation forces and kept a tight leash on them during the early ’90s conflict, preferring instead to rely on conventional tactics.xx (Even still, Delta managed to wipe out 26 Scuds that were positioned for a last-ditch attack on Israel on the final day of the war.)xxi

Despite the painful memories of Somalia, The 9/11 Commission Report makes it clear that President Clinton hadn’t sworn off calling upon American’s commandos but was crucially lacking the support required for any such action. Seeking a way to deal with the bin Laden problem in 2000, Clinton is quoted in the report as saying to Gen. Hugh Shelton, then-Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, “You know, it would scare the shit out of al-Qaeda if suddenly a bunch of black ninjas rappelled out of helicopters into the middle of their camp.”xxii

In fact, Gen. Peter Schoomaker — a former Delta squadron commander who went on to become the Unit’s commanding officer, JSOC’s commander, and ultimately the commander of SOCOM by the time of Clinton’s remark — hoped for the opportunity to do just that. However, according to Benjamin Runkle, the author of Wanted Dead or Alive: Manhunts from Geronimo to bin Laden, Shelton and CENTCOM commander Anthony Zinni dismissed such concepts, with Shelton said to have regarded them as “dumb-ass ideas, not militarily feasible,”xxiii — never mind that Clinton’s daydream isn’t that far removed from the mission that finally took out an even more cautious bin Laden little more than a decade later.

Even following the painful wakeup call delivered by 9/11, some key leaders remained painfully ignorant of the Unit’s capabilities. In November of ’01, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld (who would later empower JSOC to unprecedented levels) wistfully told a Delta officer that it would be helpful if the nation had a unit that could send a small number of men anywhere in the world to discreetly strike at al-Qaeda — seemingly oblivious to the fact that Delta Force existed in large part to carry out precisely that sort of assignment.xxiv

Despite numerous proposals and mission workups, prior to 9/11 Delta and ST6 were not once sent to hunt down terrorists in response to the growing number of lethal attacks that were taking American lives.xxv Risk-aversion, an outdated military mindset that focused on state-based enemies while viewing terrorism as a criminal act, and a lack of actionable intelligence were all significant contributing factors to this inaction.xxvi

Gen. Schoomaker summed it up: “It was like having a brand-new Ferrari in the garage, and nobody wants to race it because you might dent the fender.”xxvii

Despite Delta Force’s numerous successes prior to 9/11, the operators were frequently left frustrated that they weren’t given the opportunity to do more.

 

Coming in Part 2: New Threat-Old Mindset, Enter Iraq (One Day Early), & The Deck of 55

Buy Chris Martin’s full report on Delta Force on Amazon!

 

i Nellie Andreeva, “Navy SEALs Drama From TV Lands At ABC With Put Pilot Commitment” Deadline.com (August 17, 2011), http://www.deadline.com/2011/08/navy-seals-drama-from-bruckheimer-tv-lands-at-abc-with-put-pilot-commitment/. And two major motion pictures about the UBL raid (Zero Dark Thirty & Code Name Geronimo are in production, as is one about the Richard Phillips rescue (Captain Phillips).

ii Mark Memmott, “SEAL Team Six The Best Of The Best,” NPR.com (May 4, 2011), http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/05/04/135982609/seal-team-six-the-best-of-the-best.

iii Sean D. Naylor, “Bin Laden raid a triumph for Spec Ops,” Navy Times (April 28, 2006). http://www.navytimes.com/news/2011/05/military-bin-laden-raid-a-triumph-for-special-operations-050911/.

iv “Obama on bin Laden: The Full “60 Minutes” interview.” CBS News (May 8, 2011), http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504803_162-20060530-10391709.html.

v Nicholas Schmidle, “Getting Bin Laden.” The New Yorker (August 8, 2011), http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/08/08/110808fa_fact_schmidle?currentPage=all

vi Mark Bowden, Black Hawk Down (New York: Atlantic Monthly Press, 1999).

vii Marc Ambinder and D.B. Grady, “The Tip of the Spear” in The Command: Deep Inside The President’s Secret Army (Hoboken: John Wiley & Sons, Inc.), Kindle edition.

viii Schmidle “Getting Bin Laden.”

ix Danny O. Coulson, No Heroes: Inside The FBI’s Secret Counter-Terror Force (New York: Pocket Books, 1999), 107-108.

x Benjamin Runkle, “The “Mogadishu Effect” And Rick Acceptance” Command Posts (August 27, 2011), http://www.commandposts.com/2011/08/the-mogadishu-effect-and-risk-acceptance/.

xi Bowden, Black Hawk Down.

xii “Kill bin Laden: The “60 Minutes” interview,” CBS News (July 12, 2009), http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5153449n&tag=contentBody;storyMediaBox.

xiii Peter Bergen, “The Battle for Tora Bora.” The New Republic (December 22, 2009), http://www.tnr.com/article/the-battle-tora-bora.

xiv Ron Suskind, The One Percent Doctrine: Deep Inside America’s Pursuit of Its Enemies Since 9/11 (New York: Simon & Schuster, 2007), 58.

xv Dalton Fury, Kill Bin Laden: A Delta Force Commander’s Account of the Hunt for the World’s Most Wanted Man (New York: St. Martin’s Griffin, 2009), 256-257.

xvi Kurt Muse, Six Minutes To Freedom (New York: Citadel Press, 2006)

xvii Mark Bowden, Killing Pablo: The Hunt For the World’s Greatest Outlaw (New York: Penguin Books, 2001)

xviii Damien Lewis, Operation Certain Death (London: Arrow Books, 2005), Story Update.

xix Marc Ambinder and D.B. Grady, “Tip of the Spear” in The Command.

xx “The Gulf War: Oral History: Rick Atkinson,” Frontline, http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/gulf/oral/atkinson/1.html.

xxi Douglas Waller, “Secret Warriors,” Newsweek (July 17, 1991).

xxii National Commission on Terrorist Attacks, The 9/11 Commission Report (New York: W.W. Norton and Company, 2004), 189.

xxiii Benjamin Runkle, “The “Mogadishu Effect” And Rick Acceptance.”

xxiv Dalton Fury, Kill Bin Laden, 68-69.

xxv Richard H. Shultz Jr., “Showstoppers: Nine reasons why we never sent our Special Operations Forces after al Qaeda before 9/11,” The Weekly Standard (January 26, 2004).

xxvi Aki Peritz and Eric Rosenbach, Find, Fix, Finish: Inside the Counterterrorism Campaigns That Killed Bin Laden and Devastated Al-Qaeda (New York: Public Affairs, 2012), 29-33, Kindle edition.

xxvii Shultz, “Showstoppers: Nine reasons why we never sent our Special Operations Forces after al Qaeda before 9/11.”

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BeckyPierce
BeckyPierce 5pts

Very interesting article Chris. I'm looking forward to reading more. I've had a strong interest in SOF since watching Black Hawk Down. Every October 3rd, I take a few minutes and think of the 18 that were killed, esp MSG. Gordon and SFC. Shughart. 

zezema535
zezema535 5pts

Can anyone confirm Delta's presence during Operation Barras? The only time I'm ever seen it is in Damien Lewis' book, and it's credibility has been called into question, so does anyone know anything about it?

EasyDay
EasyDay 5pts

 @zezema535 I'm wondering the same thing...(dwgangsat) :)

What role did they have according to the book???

EliasFreire
EliasFreire 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I bought and read the e-book, awesome work Chris!

Chris Martin
Chris Martin 5pts

 @EliasFreire Thanks for buying Elias! I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Jboss
Jboss 5pts

Awesome article Chris. Can't wait for more! On a more general administrative note, all writers should be tagging their articles consistently. For example this article isn't evan tagged CAG/ Delta and that's what it's about. Jacks articles are nicely tagged. Makes future reference easier.

Chris Martin
Chris Martin 5pts

 @Jboss Thanks, I really appreciate it.

RedSpecnaz
RedSpecnaz 5pts

 @Chris Martin excellent article Chris)

ODG
ODG 5pts

Chris, thought I might bring to your attention color designations for JSOC are considered classified.  Bad form to disclose on open source.

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @ODG I understand where you are coming from but Chris is a journalist who cites his sources and found all of this information from open source research.  He doesn't have any "inside" sources, aside from maybe us at SOFREP and I certainly have not told him about any color designations.  The topic was never even brought up.  That said, I wouldn't feel right censoring Chris from writing something that he turned up in his research.  If it's in some former Delta member's book or in the newspaper than there isn't much that I can do about that.

ODG
ODG 5pts

 @JackMurphyRGR Thanks for the reply, first off the site is great and the content has been pretty good. I read an article or two everyday.  You guys have definitely put some hard work in and it shows. To address any misunderstanding I don't think Chris's work should be censored, I agree open source is open source good, bad, or ugly.  I was just merely informing him for future reference the colors are classified terms, so he doesn't embarrass himself in the eyes of the operational community in the future. OPSEC is OPSEC regardless of where you find your information as a journalist.  Just my opinion. 

LCpl X
LCpl X 5pts

 @Chris Martin  @ODG  @JackMurphyRGR 

 

I'm sure no one cares about these code names, they change all the time and as long as Chris' isn't spilling any of the really good stuff, he's good.

 

They'll change from Orange, to Kiwi, them maybe to Kale. 

Chris Martin
Chris Martin 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ODG  @JackMurphyRGR I understand the concern and it's certainly not my intention to 'spill any secrets' or place anyone or any operations in jeopardy. But the reality is the color designations have been reported on numerous occasions and by the most high-profile journalists in the field -- it's out there. In fact, I'm pretty sure I remembering seeing one of the more secretive color designations referred to in TV Guide of all places at one point.

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @ODG I understand.  There are certain topics that we just don't cover in order to maintain OPSEC.  I might write about groups like ISA or "Seaspray" but I only go off of what I find in books that I think are reputable. 

MikeIhatefibs
MikeIhatefibs 5pts

Every night when I was in High School, I would fall asleep to the war in Afghanistan on television and became obsessed with studying these warriors. Reading all the material I could find (very limited at the time), it was almost surreal what these SOF were capable of. I felt helpless sitting in my room in a small hillbilly Wisconsin town. That was the main reason why I enlisted in the military. Well written, informative piece on a supremely amazing part of American History.

FormerSFMedic
FormerSFMedic 5pts

@MikeIhatefibs - Mike, it is truly amazing what some of these units have done. I've heard of several (still classified) accounts that just blew my mind. To think that all the selection, training, rehearsal, and experience actually lead to success is proof that these guys are worth every penny. The amazing thing about it is that JSOC and SOCOM are still relatively young. Afghanistan (OEF) was really the first time that JSOC and SOCOM were truly used in large numbers and allowed to operate to their capabilities.

MikeIhatefibs
MikeIhatefibs 5pts

@FormerSFMedic I believe I read in the book horse soldiers in which Donald Rumsfeld had a large part in the implementation of SOF or rather increased usage,funding etc... Which I thought was unique considering it was post 9/11. Has the SOF community increased that drastically in ten years?

EliasFreire
EliasFreire 5pts

I don't know if I got this right, I know that the administration screwed up refusing the original plans and making them work with their afghan "allies", but from the video below, it seems that the decision to not attack at night when they were just 2 km away from Bin laden was Fury's decision, wasn't it??

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmtPBTybQ9k

Ben K
Ben K 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Fascinating, absolutely fascinating, and I truly mean it.  Funny story - when I was reading Warrior's Soul, I checked the glossary in the back and Pfarrer talks about how they joke at DEVGRU that CAG is their best cover.  Funny how these things turn around.

Chris Martin
Chris Martin 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Ben K Thanks and funny you should mention the Pfarrer joke -- that is directly referenced in a later section.

Ben K
Ben K 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Now if you'll excuse me, I just need to find my credit card.

usngunner
usngunner 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Great read, I bought full piece.  Good stuff!

 

Chris Martin
Chris Martin 5pts

 @usngunner Much appreciated. I honestly expected readers to find this part to be the least interesting of the five. I even considered cutting it at one point but decided it was necessary to set the stage the rest. Hopefully you agree and enjoy the complete ebook.

LRSScout
LRSScout 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Great read.

 

Thank you for putting it all together.

LRSScout
LRSScout 5pts

1-Click clicked.

AATW!!

H-Minus!!

Barnes
Barnes 5pts

I look forward to reading the next four parts of this. My interest in Special Forces always seems to be increasing. 

"Inside Delta Force" by Eric Haney is the only book I've read about Delta, so of course I would love to learn more. The fact of Special Forces being on a short leash seems to go back as far as any of the Forces have been around. It always comes down to what is "politically" correct it seems when these men should be able to do what they are trained to do, that goes for the whole military as well.

zezema535
zezema535 5pts

 @Barnes 

There are only 2 other books about Delta by former members - "Delta Force" by Col. Charlie A Beckwith, and "Kill Bin Laden" by Dalton Fury. 

They are both great reads, and will be the most reliable sources of information. 

Chris Martin
Chris Martin 5pts

 @zezema535  @Barnes Jerry Boykin and Peter Blaber too off the top of my head. There are some other books out  there as well that aren't so much about the authors' history w/the Unit but may include some insight.

Chris Martin
Chris Martin 5pts

 @zezema535  @Barnes Regardless, I think Blaber and Boykin's books include enough Delta-specific info to be of interest and possibly even fit the category (especially Blaber's).

 

I don't have time to dig it up at the moment, but I believe Jack mentioned another book (War Dog) that MIGHT have some info. The info is admittedly sketchy. That kind of comes w/the territory and something readers (and researchers) need to understand.

zezema535
zezema535 5pts

 @Chris Martin  @Barnes 

I'm not saying those are the only books by Delta members, but those 3 are the only ones solely dedicated to The Unit, whereas the other might have a lot of content about Delta, they also have other stuff.

And while I've got you, can you really confirm Delta's presence during Operation Barras? The only time I'm ever seen it is in Damien Lewis' book, and it's credibility has been called into question, so do you know anything else about it?

OPR
OPR 5pts

 @Barnes Just a heads up, capitalizing "Special Forces" makes it seem like you're referring to the Green Berets, not Delta Force. It's not like in the UK where Special Forces refers to all commando units.

 

SOF (Special Operations Forces) is good generic shorthand to refer to all "special forces" in the US Armed Forces.

McPosterdoor
McPosterdoor 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

I would love to know who calls themselves "the SEAL Team Six of special education" -curb stomping the autistic since 1980.

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ArcticWarrior
ArcticWarrior 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 6 Like

 @JMattHicks

 Dalton Fury's kill Bin Laden is a great first hand on Tora Bora, plus he has the best beard ever

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lispeh9Wv81qzzcgco1_500.jpg

 

And your right Shugart/Gordon are what America is all about. Only prob with BHD is they got the Regiment completely wrong, and thats why Jack is here to straighten that out, but it was a good narrative of Mog. Dont forget the 10th Mountain guys who QRFd in to help out, they deserve credit as well.

ColonelProp
ColonelProp 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

@ArcticWarrior @JMattHicks Gonna be hard pressed to beat that beard in the SOFREP "Beard-Off" fellow travelers...

Old PH2
Old PH2 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Ben K Just don't segue into a discussion on stripper pole wax.  Oh by the way, just received a new tin of mustache wax from Oregon's Firehouse Brand.  Must say I'm impressed by the all day hold, tames my old white handlebar with minimal touch up. 

ArcticWarrior
ArcticWarrior 5pts

 @Ben K

 Strippers, beards, blowing things up, poli-sci articles, history we get it all here

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Fnet0y9Ts

Ben K
Ben K 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ArcticWarrior Also, it sounds like a good name for a band.

Ben K
Ben K 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @ArcticWarrior At this point, I'm starting to think a change of motto is in order.  I nominate Beards and Strippers as the new SOFREP motto.

LRSScout
LRSScout 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ArcticWarrior  @ColonelProp 

 

I share your affliction brother, our curse is a difficult one........

ArcticWarrior
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 @The Nature Roy  

We are only down to beards, strippers will be next so I hope you cover the better places at Bragg

 

ArcticWarrior
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 @The Nature Roy  @ColonelProp  @Canopylight  @JMattHicks

 Yeah I will agree on that. Wait until T9 gets here. Seriously I get better insight here then if I watched all the talking heads on the "news", so many people with so much experience

ColonelProp
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@ArcticWarrior hehe - exactly why I have to sit on the sidelines watching this even unfold!!!

Chris Martin
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 @ColonelProp  @Canopylight  @ArcticWarrior  @JMattHicks I love following the comments at SOFREP. You never really can predict what direction a thread is going to take, can you? But the section on Delta beard grooming isn't until Part 3 of 5... ;)

ArcticWarrior
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 @ColonelProp  

I am incapable of growing a Haj beard. At best its all patchy.

ColonelProp
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@Canopylight @ArcticWarrior @JMattHicks Total agreement...I couldn't grow a beard like that to save my soul. I do have to say a short graying beard (2 days in) is quite an effective irritant when scrummaging...but definitely does not give the same berserker look.

Canopylight
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 @ArcticWarrior  @ColonelProp  @JMattHicks 

Ah no way. I was just saying I wouldn't want to shave something that thick. I'm rocking some stuble mainly because I've been a lazy bastard during finals, but usually I keep it clean shaven. Occasionally I grow it out, but it comes out all GQ rather than lumberjack.

ArcticWarrior
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 @Canopylight  @ColonelProp  @JMattHicks

 You have the MoH look going? I lose, work wont allow it, not within Uniform Wear and Appearence.

Canopylight
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 @ArcticWarrior  @ColonelProp  @JMattHicks 

Yeah not sure if I would want to deal with shaving that thing. Pretty happy with what I got going on.

ArcticWarrior
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 @ColonelProp  @ArcticWarrior  @JMattHicks

 Yeah whoever that guy is thats some serious Viking Warrior looking beard. those Talibs wont even look at him

ColonelProp
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@ArcticWarrior @JMattHicks Agree on Kill Bin Laden - excellent book. Also a good view is Jawbreaker - by Bernsten (CIA view of the same event). Weird path got this one recommended to me. Excellent read as well. Get the paperback though, my hardback version is 20% redacted. http://www.amazon.com/Jawbreaker-Al-Qaeda-Personal-Account-Commander/dp/0307351068/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1335915356&sr=8-1

Zardoz
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 @ArcticWarrior That's Dalton Fury? I thought that was an SF-proper guy who went by 'Cowboy.' There's a TIME mag photo series with him in it.

CFG300
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 @Canopylight are you talking about this photo?

 

http://success.org/success/2011/02/why-special-forces-soldiers-dont-re-enlist/special_forces_soldier-2/

Canopylight
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 @ArcticWarrior Yeah pretty sure thats a 20th Group guy in the early days of OEF. Maj Greer has a really slim build.

ArcticWarrior
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 @Zardoz

 I couldnt swear its DF but who ever it is has the beard of awesomness....

McPosterdoor
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 @ArcticWarrior  @JMattHicks Best pic I've seen since SOFREP's been up. Superman wears Fury p.j.'s to bed.

ArcticWarrior
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 @JMattHicks  @McPosterdoor

 Whether you fly a 22, drive a M1A2 or speedball ammo to some outpost its all good. You seem very motivated so good luck in what ever path you take, you seem like you would be successful.

 Everyone plays a part, but say the Scroll, the Tab is a school. (thats for my Rgr buds)

ArcticWarrior
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 @JMattHicks  @McPosterdoor

 Major Greer in his own words

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmtPBTybQ9k

 

 

 

Chris Martin
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 @JMattHicks  @ArcticWarrior  @McPosterdoor Howe was Delta. The SEAL you are thinking of is John Gay.

 

http://www.knife-depot.com/blog/knives-save-lives-navy-seal-john-gay/

ArcticWarrior
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 @McPosterdoor  @JMattHicks

 Lol...good one....come on Fury is the poster boy for that look isnt he???? Dude looks like a Viking Berserker who 1100 years ago was crushing skulls with an axe, glad he is on our side......

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