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Home » Admin » News: Delta Force and SEAL TEAM Six Ordered To Support President Obama or Else

News: Delta Force and SEAL TEAM Six Ordered To Support President Obama or Else

by Brandon Webb · May 1, 2012 · Posted In: Admin, NSWC, SOF News
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This is no secret to those who have served in the U.S. Military. Every Warfighter’s job is to support their Commander-in-Chief regardless of political affiliation.

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So be careful of catchy headlines that mislead like the one I used just now and the one the Daily Mail used yesterday. SOFREP does not speak for either of these communities (Delta or Six), we have our own voice and expertise as Special Operations veterans from all branches of service.

Our editors are committed to keeping an open mind with regards to any topic we take issue with and we are careful not to stand to the right or left very long for risk of association.

We like to be in our own boat and I’m thankful that we are our own masters when it comes to the content on this site. This means we don’t have to rely on a heavy handed handler (Military working dog speak) that points us and our editorial content in one direction or another and yells “attack”.

American Idol Culture

We are all entitled to our own political views, it makes this country great, but lumping a few sound bytes together and deciding that me and my SEAL friends speak for the entire community and making our minds up for us is a big mistake for the Daily Mail (The Tabloid Headline In Question authored by Toby Harnden). It’s also a sure way to not get a call back in the future and you risk a punch in the throat if you ever meet these gentlemen in person.

Editor’s note: I’ve spoken to Toby (apparently his article was named without his consent), we both agreed he wrote a fair piece but I drove home my message that the title was very misleading and ultimately puts a good write up to shame. Toby and I are now good, his editor and I not so much. – Brandon

I guess most journalists are too shortsighted to notice that our community is very small and fickle, and that there’s consequences for this type of tabloid journalism.

There’s some damn good journalists across the spectrum, I’ve met many recently on my own book tour and through founding SOFREP (ABC, Fox, CNN, Newsmax, BBC and GBTV to name a few).

The team at SOFREP have plenty to talk about and criticize across party lines but I will point this out. Obama inherited a very robust Spec Ops package from George W, but he had the balls to finish what President Bush started when he stood on top of a pile of rubble and said to the American people, “the people who knocked these buildings down are going to hear from all of us very soon.” Bush was right and Obama made sure that the last three things UBL heard was three cracks from a SEAL’s M-4 assault rifle that sent three well placed shots into his head and ended a decade long game of hide and seek. Bush and Obama have no problem killing bad guys or making tough decisions when it comes to killing terrorists.

Put Another Log on The Bonfire of Radical Islam

So on the anniversary of Osama’s death, the political fight is heating up and the media smells blood in the water. Of course nobody is thinking about the consequences of celebrating UBL’s death. Or who LeT is and the fact that they make AQ look like Girl Scouts in comparison.

So some choose to continue to celebrate UBL’s death like an American Idol after party. I’m guessing this will re-stoke the fires of radical Islam across the globe and ultimate strengthen the tree of Islamic extremism at the root. How about we stop clipping prickly branches off the tree and kill Islamic extremism at the root.

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Brandon Webb is a former U.S. Navy SEAL with combat deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, and elsewhere in the Middle East. His last tour in the SEAL Teams was as the Course Manager for the US Navy SEAL Sniper program, arguably one of the most difficult sniper courses in the world. He was formerly a contributing editor for Military.com, and currently the Editor-in-Chief of SOFREP.com. Brandon is regularly featured in the media as a subject matter expert on military affairs. An avid writer, his last two books (The Red Circle, & Benghazi: The Definitive Report) both hit the New York Times best seller list, and his writing has been featured in print, and digital media worldwide. You can follow him on Twitter @BrandontWebb

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KevinChilders
KevinChilders 5pts

There is something to be said for the bad old days when almost nobody knew SOF existed, and those who did mostly didn't like us and buried anything we did in a dark place.  Allowed for freedom of action out of the spotlight, even if it made almost all funding and support a nightmare to get.

kevinnash69
kevinnash69 5pts

when it comes down to a politician boasting about an accomplishment, all of them are the same. Bush boasted about the Surge and he also landed on an aircraft carrier with a banner saying "Mission Accomplished". that turn out so well. To me, the "mission accomplished" event was alot more severe than the Obamas speech in A-stan. Remember, it was on Bushe's watch that UBL got away. According to Dalton Fury, all of his plans got rejected by SOCOM, JSOC, and maybe even the White house. They litterally had UBL cornored. If I was bush i would of fired every general, commander or staff that opposed Dalton Fury (the original dude who was going to kill UBL). Due to the war in Iraq our veangance for UBL got sidetracked. Ironically, Obama was the only smart one to put his whole reputation,  the country's repuation, even more important the lives of out citizens and enlisted men on the professionalism of DEVGRU.

Tango9
Tango9 5pts

 @kevinnash87 Whoa there, Tex.  I'm going to refer you to operation Anaconda.  The stars on the ground did fk it up, but you saying Bush let him go is somewhat... I'm trying to find the nice words for it... still trying.... so I'll settle with "less than informed."  I'm gonna try to keep politics aside but I disagree with your entire post.  Operationally and politically.

kevinnash69
kevinnash69 5pts

 @Tango9

 Even Dalton Fury said that in all his years as a Delta commander, SOCOM and JSOC has never rejected his plan.....i havent studied military tactics at Westpoint but I would trust a ground commander's opinion  rather than a guy in a suit half a world away. Even the CIA officer Gary Berntsen requested additional muscle like the 75th ranger to secure all possible exists. instead they told him to use the muj (a bunch of untrained mountain boys). those muj would eventually betray delta force. The CIA officer Gary Bernsten would eventually be replaced due to his "persistance".  Its another example of how beacracy and politics gets in the way of accomplishing an objective. please bare with me.....I havent read several books such as "jawbreaker" and "Kill bin Laden" so obviously iam not "well informed" on the matter. but please feel free to "educate" me......

Ethelmay
Ethelmay 5pts

@BrandonTWebb Lol

Will_In my own bubble
Will_In my own bubble 5pts

Just to put it out there as a man from the UK, I can tell you that the Daily Mail or the "Daily Fail" as it is more commonly know has a very low opinon among most people. It is the standard crazy racists, "middle-class" paper that likes to get angry over all sorts of non-issues whilst getting most "facts" wrong. You have been warned. Now- All Aboard The Outrage Bus!!!! 

BrandonWebb
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 @Will_In my own bubble Thanks for sharing this Will. -BW

LCpl X
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Is it just me or are the Twitter feeds below just taking up space and not contributing to the thread in any way?

 

Twitter in Twitter, for those who want to do short nonsensical tweets,

 

Facebook in Facebook, for those who want to connect their facebook account to their comments,

 

But leave Livefyre for the big dawgs who write in paragraph form, pls. get rid of Twitter feeds below.

 

 

sammyj1966
sammyj1966 5pts

@RobDuBois or else what?

djashyhp6
djashyhp6 5pts

@laglecp http://t.co/05GC3eyn

troicurtosi
troicurtosi 5pts

@MaxMagnet1 Supporting the service of the President is one thing, lying for him to cover up something is another.

BrandonTWebb
BrandonTWebb 5pts

@Packetknife thank you! Glad someone noticed! -BW

Packetknife
Packetknife 5pts

@BrandonTWebb No, thank you, I made the mistake as well - TY for taking the time to respectfully remind us.

BrandonTWebb
BrandonTWebb 5pts

@ExSubSpy Thanks for the RT.

ExSubSpy
ExSubSpy 5pts

@BrandonTWebb No problem Sir! All the best with the Book! Hope to read during Summer at my Cabin!

BrandonTWebb
BrandonTWebb 5pts

@luis_cosenza Thanks LT!

luis_cosenza
luis_cosenza 5pts

@BrandonTWebb No thank you for all you put out there. LT

b66_b
b66_b 5pts

@luis_cosenza @brandontwebb agree! That was a great article. Thanks for sharing. Looking forward to more SOFREP TV :)

luis_cosenza
luis_cosenza 5pts

@b66_b @brandontwebb Anytime and totally agree. Can't wait to watch the round table tomorrow

SEAN SPOONTS
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Reading the article as anyone else might I don't think it leaves the impression that Brandon and a few other SEALs are presuming to speak for the entire community. Reading the comments left by readers seems to bare that out. That being said, I thought Brandon's remarks were measured, fair and temperate in their tone. I've got no beef with the President taking the credit for the "Go" order on the Bin Laden mission. He had the "Con" when it went down. Had it gone wrong and we ended up losing a bunch of people, he certainly would have gotten a Jimmy Carter sized share of the blame. Where the President went too far was in implying that Romney would not have made that same call given the same circumstances. O.K., Maybe,... maybe not, Violating Pakistani territorial sovereignty is not a trivial matter...but is it an issue for the campaign trail? Any SEAL who has a problem with the military being politicized so directly by the President is making a fair point in my opinion. The blowback against the President is that his campaign ad makes the decision to go after Bin Laden look like it was done to help him get reelected. And that too would be a fair point to make. As I recall, then candidate Obama was very much against the methods used to gather the actionable intelligence that led us to Bin Laden in the first place. He claimed that GITMO was a valuable tool in recruiting terrorists and should be closed, yet it remains open. He claimed that enhanced interrogation techniques, CIA black sites and rendition under the Bush administration all but made this country complicite in war crimes, yet he continued these practices under his Presidency without any acknowledgement that he might have been hasty in claiming so. Then candidate Obama believed that terrorists like the late Bin Laden should be tried in court, not blown away by drones or direct action, yet that is what he is doing with ruthless efficiency. In a sense its even more impressive that President Obama made the call to "Go" at all since it was the repudiation of everything he said he stood for and campaigned against. I'm as American and red blooded as anyone else here could claim to be. And I would proudly support the President in any victory he attains against our terrorist enemies. But what the President actually supports is kinda hard to pin down isn't it?

LCpl X
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 @Old PH2 

 

Exactly, man. Also my point in response to @AceP re funding programs to combat Islamic extremenism. You wanna kill the root of the problem, stop buying oil from KSA, but we can't do that, so everything else is bandaid, a waste of good money we can be spending here.

 

This is a Muslim vs. Muslim fight. We have a dog in the fight, but the moment we help that dog, he'll lose.

 

A "moderate" Muslim scholar these days has to be politically deft, the moment he starts singing Kumbaya on AlJazeera he loses his street creds, so he needs to seem anti Western. Qardawi looks like an interesting politically skillful Muslim scholar, I'm sure there are many more out there.

 

the Wahhabis are a minority, only powerful now because of oil, same with those who espouse Mawdudi in South Asia, also bank rolled by KSA.

 

If they reach out and touch us and our interests, we touch them back (no, not fuckin' another GWOT, but more like the Ramzi Yosef or Mir Kanzi ops, basic police work), but the point is

 

Let them hash this out on their own. Saves us a lot of money too. laissez-faire is a beautiful thing.

 

"Sometimes nothin' can be a real cool hand."

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVXKOb5EE7Y

 

Ben K
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 @SEAN SPOONTS Amen to your OP, man.  As I see it, the President should absolutely have the balls to abandon his principles when he realises they aren't working out for him.  Left, right, it doesn't matter as long as it works.

 

As for the article headline it was rather misleading.  I think you got that point across quite well Brandon.

BrandonWebb
BrandonWebb moderator 5pts

 @SEAN SPOONTS It's the title that misleads...

SEAN SPOONTS
SEAN SPOONTS 5pts

@BrandonWebb Yep, I think it does too.

A1N1
A1N1 5pts

 @SEAN SPOONTS We should all know not all goes according to plan, and trying to take the high road sometimes doesn't work. A lot of repercussions needed to be assessed at the time the decision was made to "Go" and how everything should play the safest way for America and its allies. No body = no shrines, No court = no constant attempted attacks or sieges during "due process". Every president has black site prisons. Politically you're supposed to say close them. Same way you are supposed to deny all covert action. 

SEAN SPOONTS
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@A1N1 Saying "close them" isn't the same thing as saying the previous President was a war criminal for having them, which is the point I was making. It's not the same thing. And the only repercussion a President ought to consider when anticipating a Go are; 1) What are the odds of success versus the gain realized in that success? All military operations are a gamble of sorts, some grand, some not so grand. At Midway, Nimitz gambled the entirety of our Carrier task forces (about 27 vessels) against virtually the entire Japanese Fleet(about 325 vessels) believing that if he could surprise the Japanese he could hand them a real beating. In reality, his gamble almost failed. The Japanese spotted our fleet first and their planes had longer range than ours which should've been fatal to us, but a faulty transmitter and a late start kept the Japanese search plane from the CruiserTone from radioing back his find to Nagumo. Nimitz's gamble was actually a failure, but luck(a gamblers best friend) saved him. If you want to see BIG operational gamblers look at the Brits. Some of their gambles paid off great, like Dunkirk and Waterloo. Quite a few got lots of people killed like Dieppe, the search for the Bismark, the sortie of the Prince of Wales and Repulse from Singapore, Isandlawanda during the Zulu War and Operation Market-Garden in Holland. What is to be gained must be measured against what is to be risked. Had the Bin Laden raid failed there would have been all kinds of questions about whether getting him was worth the expediture of so many lives in attempting it. I'll confess that if I were President I would have been reluctant to risk an entire SEAL Team and 6-8 160th SOAR helo crews going for just Bin Laden. You cannot replace guys like that easily. Al Qaeda had a Bin Laden replacement within a week. I'd have said that for a 49% chance of success are odds against the house, lets' drop a couple of JDAMs on his ass instead or risking the lives of all our guys. It was the intel potential at that compound that could stop future attacks and the skyline other HVTs that made the risk worth while.

LCpl X
LCpl X 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ArcticWarrior  @Old PH2

 

 

Still gotta feeling this "courier" is the older wife, but that's just the Jerry Springer fan in me.

ArcticWarrior
ArcticWarrior 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Old PH2

 Right, the Courier keeps popping up. That guy might have a story worth hearing.

Old PH2
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 @ArcticWarrior I've been listening the last few days as different media types talk over the info gained from the enhanced interrogations as opposed to the ELINT gathered.  I guess at least four different interviews turned up the fact that the courier was important.  I cant wait to read the few documents that will be released latter this week, from the UBL raid intel drag.

ArcticWarrior
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 @SEAN SPOONTS  @LCpl

 Just like Mobsters, everyone underneath will try to "forget" being a member while wondering just what do they know about me. Wonder how many of them were looking to the sky wondering or evertime they heard a helo thought it was a package coming for them. The intel snatched up had to be a treasure trove.And LCpl you make a good point, what if all that high tech surveillance hinged upon a scorned women, and that was it?

SEAN SPOONTS
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@LCpl X not really. O.K. pretend you're part of this big criminal gang planning several big crimes and you find out the mastermind behind it all, the guy with the names, dates and places gets taken down. Are you going to just carry on with the plans or scatter like a sprayed roach with the rest of your gang?

ArcticWarrior
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 @LCpl X  @SEAN SPOONTS

 Certainly Politics played into the announcement, the lost MH60X left a big clue and Intel people work in the strangest ways. And I think even today articles were popping up in MIM about Intel that was gleened, the purported Cruise Ship plans etc. Face it the Sheik was like Hitler in the bunker directing people that didnt exist as his enemies closed in.

LCpl X
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 @ArcticWarrior  @SEAN SPOONTS  

 

If it was this, then why announce it right away, instead of maybe waiting a week or maybe just three days. They pretty much rendered what they found moot, no?

 

 

 

ArcticWarrior
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 @SEAN SPOONTS  @A1N1

 It was the intel  potential at that compound that could stop future attacks and the skyline other  HVTs that made the risk worth while. - Sean I think you nailed it with this.

LCpl X
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 @A1N1  

 

Just a tidbit of cultural, Wahhabi nuance here on 'No body=no shrines'.

 

It's pretty hard for you to find head stones in KSA and other fundamentalist Muslim countries (mostly the Gulf states and Pakistan, but Sufis will have shrines), compared to Syria for example who'd have actual cemetaries to visit.

 

that's because Wahhabis take thinks literally, so according to their brand of Islam, no visiting the dead and no markers for the dead, so you don't visit.

 

UBL wasn't going to have shrine.

 

So NO COURT is the only answer why we killed him, which is fine by me.

 

ArcticWarrior
ArcticWarrior 5pts

 @SEAN SPOONTS  @ArcticWarrior

 Wasnt Lindh picked in Astan and questioned and taken by the FBI from Rhino in the first month of OEF-A?

SEAN SPOONTS
SEAN SPOONTS 5pts

@ArcticWarrior I'm not against you on this. I said you make a fair point. I'm also saying that 2-3 extrajudicial killings is not the same thing as the 20-30 million killed by Stalin. There are matters of degree to consider here. Now, that being said in WWII there were numerous examples of Americans going off to fight for the Axis. Mostly Germans and some Italians and Japanese too. Some were visiting relatives in the old country and got drafted. There was an American in the Italian Army who surrendered to US forces during the African invasion by approaching American lines in the middle of the night yelling; "Don't shoot I'm from Brooklyn!" Turns out he was visting relatives, the war broke out and he got scooped up in the draft. He had lots of explaining to do but he probably was admitted back into the U.S. Hundreds if not thousands of German Americans answered the "Ein Volk" call of Hitler and left America before the war to fight for the Fatherland. They had their Naturalization citizenships revoked by the US. We had lots of Nazis in this country at one point. They couldn't get back into the country after the war. Some were even tried for treason and imprisoned. One was a Lt in the Army Air Corp who stole a P-38 and defected to the Germans with it. Now, I 'm not talking about executing American citizens on site who supported the IRA, those people were generally stateside and could be arrested and tried for their crime. I'm talking about US citizens outside the US, who have joined terrorist organizations and are active participants in the fighting. You really aren't in the position to just go arrest them in a foreign country. And if you told the FBI to just fast rope into Tora Bora to arrest a US citizen with the Taliban on the suspicion of terrorism they would tell you to go pound sand. Now as for MeK, its probably bad policy for us to help them against the enemy Iranian government . It seems to me that MeK is just a different kind of muslim extremist group trying to overthrow the muslim extremists in Iran. Apparently the average Iranian people just hate these guys for siding with Saddam in their war with them back in the 80s. Just remember, we don't know everything that's going on with that, its waaay above our paygrade. But in picking the lessor of two evils which is worse? MeK marginally on our side or Iran with Nukes dead set against us with China and Russia running interferrence for them? Jus saying....

SEAN SPOONTS
SEAN SPOONTS 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@ArcticWarrior @Old Well, its not true about Lee, he took a loyalty oath shortly after Appomatox. I think he ended up doing it again later on because Congress required high ranking officers and CSA officials do petition Washington directly for a more formal pardon.

LCpl X
LCpl X 5pts

* Robert Baer

 

LCpl X
LCpl X 5pts

 @ArcticWarrior  

 

I like your points, man. I think Robar Baer wrote something about all this extra judicial stuff going on, since he himself was kicked out for an "assissination" attempt on Saddam. It was his job.

 

What's the definition of an assissination? And most importantly, who gets to define it?

 

Very good points.

 

ArcticWarrior
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 @SEAN SPOONTS

 We engaged in perhaps the largest ethnic cleansing in history on a people who trusted us and never broke a treaty. So we have done just as bad as Stalin. Im not saying these scumbags should get a free pass, but snatch them bring them home, have said trial then execute them. the govt should have to prove their case in public. 1 led to 2 led to 3 and so it goes.

ArcticWarrior
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 @SEAN SPOONTS  @ArcticWarrior  @LCpl

 When a cop does it, its not officially sanctioned by a Govt entity.

And who brands an organization terrorist? What about the Govt employees and contractors providing MeK support and materials, they are a known terrorist organization as recognized by the US Govt, so by your logic we should whack all those people because after all they are helping support a known and documented terrorist organization.

Same holds true for IRA supporters, of which many politicians supported the IRA. So they are fair game if they step out of the US? So if a US Rep supports the IRA vocally, steps out of the US the Executive Branch can take him out and use that as its excuse?

That is dangerous.

ArcticWarrior
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 @SEAN SPOONTS  @Old

 And all of it was wrong.When we saw Stalin do it we cried foul. Lincoln stomped all over the Constitution, ignored the Judicial Branch as it suited him. And I believe Robert E Lee died without ever regaining his citizenship, which if true is wrong.

SEAN SPOONTS
SEAN SPOONTS 5pts

Well, I think we can trust them as long as they are killing guys actually running with the terrorists. How many extrajudicial killings have there been at this point. Is it 2 or 3? I get your point and its a fair one, but its not happening a lot. Stalin killed upwards of 20 million of his own people.

SEAN SPOONTS
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@Old PH2 Well, there was the War of Northern Aggression, errr..I mean the Civil War. Lot of people were executed without trial. Hell, Lincoln had the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court arrested and held without charge. They actually suspended habias corpus for a couple of years which meant indefinate detention without charge or trial. After the war Southerners had to take a "loyalty oath" to the United States to get their civil rights and citizenship restored. Which was kind of ironic, the Federal government didn't recognize the secession rights and autonomy of the Southern States but still stripped the people in those states of their US citizenship anyway, saying in effect; "You had no legal right to break away from the US and renounce your citizenship which is why we invaded the South and until you swear an oath of loyalty to the US you are not citizens."

ArcticWarrior
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 @Old PH2  @SEAN SPOONTS

 In the last case the Govt basically told us we just have to trust them, they presented no evidence, Holder gave the same old State Secret BS. So this guys words offended some? There is proof that he fired a weapon at US Soldiers? See what Im getting at?What evidence did they present to anybody? The Exec Branch is just saying trust us.

 Code 1481

(7)committing any act of treason against, or attempting by force to overthrow, or bearing arms against, the United States, violating or conspiring to violate any of the provisions of section 2383 of title 18, or willfully performing any act in violation of section 2385 of title 18, or violating section 2384 of title 18 by engaging in a conspiracy to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, if and when he is convicted thereof by a court martial or by a court of competent jurisdiction.

No where does it say the Executive Branch can order the assasination of a US Citizen. Its dangerous and reeks of Stalinism.

ArcticWarrior
ArcticWarrior 5pts

 @Old PH2  @LCpl X

 Good reference to the Thuggies

Old PH2
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 @SEAN SPOONTS  @ArcticWarrior  @LCpl I think there is a legal precedent that if you openly declare war against the US gov't your civil right are suspended.  I've often wondered if there was a basis in fact for the old story " A Man Without A Country."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Without_a_Country

Old PH2
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 @LCpl X Shia= Iran has cemeteries

                                        Iraq has cemeteries

Sunni Saudi Arabia No cemeteries

            Egypt  cemeteries

            Turkey both Shia and Sunni plus Sufi cemeteries

             Libya  cemeteries

 

I think what Lance is trying to convey is that not the basic culture but this extremist schism of Islam known as Wahhabi is responsible for this veritable "Death Cult."  Much like the "Thuggies" of the old Empire in India, the Wahhabi's feel that through destruction they can bring about a "New World Order."

 

 

SEAN SPOONTS
SEAN SPOONTS 5pts

@ArcticWarrior @LCpl No, I'm not arguing that a US citizen can simply be executed outside the US(or inside) without trial. Though it does happen. Cops kill US criminals all the time without any trial. The ways to lose citizenship are detailed in 8 USC 1481. I would argue that any American like Adam Gadan who acts in support of Al Qaeda or another terrorist organization should be legally stripped of their citizenship which makes them fair game for anyone able to whack them out.

ArcticWarrior
ArcticWarrior 5pts

 @SEAN SPOONTS  @ArcticWarrior  @LCpl

 You sound like a White House Lawyer. And in said US Code it says a US Citizen can be executed outside the US by the Govt with no trial? On orders of who? The excutive branch?

SEAN SPOONTS
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@ArcticWarrior @LCpl X Actually, under the US Code, certain acts on your part serve to automatically renounce your citizenship, like taking up arms against your own country or joining a foreign military. You don't get a trial, you actions serve the purpose of making the formal declaration that you no longer consider yourself a US citizen. Joining Al Qaeda would probably qualify. You're fair game after that.

ArcticWarrior
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 @LCpl X

 Yeah the way it went down was great, just dont like the Govt targeting citizens, no matter how treasonous without a trial of any kind. Non citizens TFB Hellfires for all of them.

The Sheik might have shown intelligence that would have surprised people. Saddam at least was defiant and lectured everyone right up to the noose going tight. Uncle Mo might have been the same.

LCpl X
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 @A1N1

 

I'm just saying Wahhabis don't erect things, they demolish things, it's just how they roll:

 

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Baqi'#Demolition

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan

A1N1
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 @LCpl X  @ArcticWarrior it would've been such a spectacle. But I agree as well long overdue but great nonetheless.

LCpl X
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 @ArcticWarrior  

 

I actually agree with you on this, but the Jason Bourne-ish way this went down, just kicked ass.

 

Then again, UBL in court would've been entertaining.

 

A1N1
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 @LCpl X don't need to be a "Wahhabi" to admire someone and dedicate things to their corpse. I was speaking on anyone erecting something that shared similar ideals, remorse etc.

LCpl X
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Baqi'#Demolition

 

ArcticWarrior
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 @LCpl X  @A1N1

 For the Sheik yeah no court. But for Americans overseas, getting targeted for termination without due process, even in absentia, Im not comfortable with that.

SEAN SPOONTS
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Oh, and happy "Double Tap Tuesday" to any and all Navy SEALs who might be reading this. Bravo Zulu!! I love the idea that the last thing bin Laden saw before his express ride to the infernal region was an pissed off American pointing a Colt at him. And it was, well, you know,...The US NAVY got him.

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SEAN SPOONTS
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@ArcticWarrior lol, yeah really. ISI? Their loyalties are so divided they would be shooting each other on that mission. When I heard the first report that Bin Laden may have been taken down in Pakistan I thought the 'unit' had gotten him too. I wonder how much wrangling there was at JSOC over who to send on that mission? Everybody right down to the clerk typists would have wanted to go. Someday we'll read about it.

ArcticWarrior
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 @Matt2  @SEAN SPOONTS

 I admit when I heard I wanted to know who pulled it off. Wasnt dissapointed it was DEV but wanted it to be Dboys. Team loyaties I guess. Was very glad they didnt say the ISI.

SEAN SPOONTS
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@Matt2 Yeah me too. I remember when they got Saddam I was thinking "Oh man, the Army got him? They'll be making everybody smell their farts over this for years, damn it!" Just think for a moment about the power projection capability of the US Navy. Look how far from the ocean Abadabad is. Its amazing.

BrandonWebb
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 @SEAN SPOONTS It was three shots to the head!

bogman2121
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 @BrandonWebb Where did you get that info? I've only read the mass media stuff but they've all been saying one to the chest and one to the head.

SEAN SPOONTS
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@BrandonWebb LOL. I know, but "Triple Tap Tuesday" doesn't have the same ring to it. Then again... There should be a drink called a Bin Laden; Three shots and a splash...

ArcticWarrior
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 @SEAN SPOONTS

 You guys will rub that in our face for eternity wont you? Props to the 6 they made a nation proud.

LCpl X
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 @ACS  @ArcticWarrior  @SEAN

 

 

OR maybe we should be praising UBL's older wife.

 

Blacks have said it again and again, pimpin' ain't easy.

 

Guess UBL was no pimp.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkwTzy7T_Lw

 

 

ArcticWarrior
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 @ACS  @ArcticWarrior  @SEAN

 In no way was I SF qualified, just an 11Bravo nothing out of the ordinary.

 The cold is much better then the heat you can always add or remove layers. Everything is nice  and white and green unlike dusty and brown. Hate the sand and heat.

ArcticWarrior
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 @ACS  @ArcticWarrior  @SEAN

 I really hated jumping deep down, not so much the exit but hitting the ground. Seems like I was always reverse. Fast roping and helos good stuff. Walkinglong distances with a heavy load in the rain not as much fun. Sand fleas from sleeping on the ground not good at all. Winter Ops in deep snow at 10 below, fucking ruled the wasteland like the Lord Humongous, loved it. Hope that summed it up for you.

Connor31
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 @SEAN SPOONTS  @ArcticWarrior Don't worry Sean, we all know the 160th deserves the credit :)

SEAN SPOONTS
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@Connor. @ArcticWarrior Right. The whole ST-6 thing was just the cover story. LOL

ArcticWarrior
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 @SEAN SPOONTS  @ArcticWarrior

 Nah not from me. All those guys are pro's. They made us all look good. If I was being held in some roach infested mud hut by some baggy pant skull cap wearing DB I wouldnt care CAG/DEV/75th just come get me. They are all that.

ArcticWarrior
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 @ACS  @ArcticWarrior  @SEAN

 Airborne Infantry and a little gig as Infantry working for Intel. Bottom line a dusty boot grunt.

SEAN SPOONTS
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@ArcticWarrior LOL!! You are being very kind here. I expected an avalanche of F*** You's from Marines and Army types. Fact is, that mission was a Joint Op of a type that we did not get right at Desert One, Panama and Grenada. The services have come a long way in that regard. There is credit enough for everyone in that.

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