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Home » Special Operations » Computer Models, Guerrilla Warfare and SOF

Computer Models, Guerrilla Warfare and SOF

by Uri · May 15, 2012 · Posted In: Special Operations
Computer Models, Guerrilla Warfare and SOF
The Economist has an article titled “What makes heroic strife” – Computer models that can predict the outbreak and spread of civil conflict are being developed.

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Guerrilla warfare, however, is harder to model than open battle of this sort, and the civil insurrection that often precedes it is harder still. Which, from the generals’ point of view, is a pity, because such conflict is the dominant form of strife these days. The reason for the difficulty is that the fuel of popular uprisings is not hardware, but social factors of a type that computer programmers find it difficult to capture in their algorithms. Analysing the emotional temperature of postings on Facebook and Twitter, or the telephone traffic between groups of villages, is always going to be a harder task than analysing physics-based data like a tank’s firing range or an army’s stocks of ammunition and fuel.

Harder, but not impossible. For in the war-games rooms and think-tanks of the rich world’s military powers, bright minds are working on the problem of how to model insurrection and irregular warfare. Slowly but surely they are succeeding, and in the process they are helping politicians and armies to a better understanding of the nature of rebellion.

In the article, the author mentions several projects where highly sophisticated algorithms are used to predict and analyze the patters on modern warfare. Today conflicts are more chaotic than those of the past. The very nature of the current guerrilla wars and insurgency being fought around the world makes the job of the engineers coding these algorithms extremely hard.

Yet, advances in hardware, the knowledge of current computer scientists, mathematicians, physicists and tacticians make this incredibly complex analysis possible. To a certain degree.

While some level of success comes out of these systems, it is the very chaotic and random nature of modern warfare that makes SOF the right tool for the job. The current SOF are trained to cope with this randomness, they know how to adapt, they know how to read the patterns and flow with them: they know how to develop the situation.

Moreover, units like the US Army Special Forces, with its tremendous experience in developing and training indigenous forces, are better suited to read these patters by listening to those forces being trained, by having a better understanding of the local way of life.

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Units like the US Navy SEALs, trained to put together mission plans fast and based on the information that just arrived, can attack quickly, decisively and with accuracy, and make the fighting of chaotic modern wars something that SOF might thrive on.

I think ultimately that Generals and government oversight will have to rely more on the “boots on the ground” than to just trust a computer model. Sure, initial analysis by these fantastic systems should be taken into consideration. However, it is the training and fantastic capability of our SOF that will win this and future wars.

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Isn't the Army already employing CINDER to weed out possible...dissidents in the ranks?

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 @Matt2 I've said it before and probably smarter men have said it too... All governments are scared shitless of the public.

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 @LauraWalkerKC  @Tango9  @Corps Hornet Driver  @Matt2 Missed that, better get cracking.  Was a little distracted, reading through Chris Martin's E-Book on Delta. 

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 @Old PH2  @Tango9  @Corps Hornet Driver  @Matt2 Tunisia isn't as quiet as you think. 

 

"About 300 Salafists, who favor a strict interpretation of Quranic law, arrived at the airport on Monday night to welcome their guests, Hassan Kattani and Omar El Hadouchi, who belong to the most radical Islamic movement in Morocco. (File photo)"

 

Black Flag alert http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/05/15/214282.html

Gunner777
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 @Old PH2 You got that right!

Old PH2
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 @Gunner777  @Tango9  @Corps Hornet Driver  @Matt2  There are times I feel like we just handed a hammer to a two year old.  Nothing good ever comes from that!

Gunner777
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 @Tango9  @Corps Hornet Driver  @Old PH2  @Matt2 Now Libya wants an investigation on why NATO killed civilians when they were helping the rebellion with air strikes.

Yea, lets help again!

Tango9
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 @Matt2 Gotcha.  We did drop a few daisy cutters in Afg.  No, it didn't make a difference in the long run, and yes, we lost another war (that makes us 0-6 in the last 60 years?)

 

BUT... watching a BLU-82 level 20 football fields is worth its weight in gold.

Tango9
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 @Matt2 Not sure which post you're disagreeing with Matt.  Not being a smartass but I'm not sure what to respond to (it's the commenting system)

Old PH2
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 @Tango9  @Corps Hornet Driver  @Matt2  I'm still waiting to see how Mali turns out.  Tunisia is quiet, makes me wonder what they are doing right, as opposed to Libya / Egypt.

Tango9
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 @Corps Hornet Driver  @Old PH2  @Matt2 The catch, Hornet, is they didn't exactly get the "change" they were looking for.  Egypt is a mess, Syria is a nightmare on stilts.  Libya seems to be about the same as it ever was: no worse, no better.

Tango9
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 @Matt2  @Old PH2  @Corps Hornet Driver "I think that when an ideas time has come, there is no power on earth that can stop it."

 

Oh, I don't know.  A BLU-82 can stop a lot of ideas ;)

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 @Old PH2  @Tango9  @Matt2 So looking at the "Arab Spring 2011", one could surmise social networking can lead to a change in non-totalitarian government.

 

But, with Syria, all bets are off.  Especially with the Iranian influence and assistance.  And you wonder why Iran is going to build its own internet.  It will be interesting to see how that works out.

Old PH2
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 @Tango9  @Corps Hornet Driver  @Matt2  I read an article sometime back that basically said civil disobedience only works within the confines of a civilized society.  Hence the continued existence of the Assad Regime.  Were as Mohandas Ghandi and Martin Luther King worked within societies that would not stomach much bloodshed. 

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 @Corps Hornet Driver  @Matt2  @Old PH2 Well, if history is any indication, it doesn't take much to subdue a population.  Very few "uprisings" end well (America excepted).

 

That whole "civil disobedience" thing has never worked, either.

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 @Matt2  @Old PH2 Agreed! 

 

Rulers in both a republic or democratic society often forget who put them in power.

 

"Absolute power corrupts absolutely"

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I think all gadgetry, modeling, C4ISR, whatever widget(s) utilized will help trained decision makers process information and move trough the OODA Loop faster and more efficiently.  Thus, enabling greater chances for success.  Matters not if the decision maker is in the firefight, in the TOC, or a business board room. 

 

The key is training decision makers.  One can not allow the process to get bogged down, either by too much information, or not enough. 

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 @Corps Hornet Driver  KISS principal, sometime I actually smack myself on the head when I read the good posts here.  Don't over think it, but use what you have.  Good advice.

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OT:  It's so nice to get back to picking each others' brains and discussing quality content (given the last several days).  Thanks, gents.  But, try to group-hug me and I'll stab you in the groin.

Old PH2
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 @Tango9 Dude, I was just getting that warm and Fuzzy feeling.

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 @Old PH2 Me to but at least we're back to normal----LOL!

Tango9
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 @Gunner777  @Old PH2 Who you callin' normal!?

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I think the modeling for large bodies (i.e. Navy fleets, armored divisions, air wings) would be easier to do than for people.

 

In general, predicting human behavior is like predicting the weather:  you can predict fairly accurately within the first 24 hours, but after that there are myriad variables and it all turns to crap.  Too many "IF/AND/OR/ELSE" trees

Old PH2
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 @Tango9 I find that honestly, the only mathematical models that even come close to accuracy are economic.  Keynesian versus (You pick the latest) models, but still these can only be used to point us in the right direction.  Models will only give us a vague outline of reality.  Like @Gunner777  said below good old fashioned Police work is what is needed. 

Tango9
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 @Old PH2  @Gunner777 Yup.  The best tool available is an experienced brain.  That 'gut' feeling, 'instinct,' '6th sense,'  Whatever you want to call it:  it's your subconscious running prediction/simulation programs behind the scenes based on training and experience.  Always listen to that inner voice:  it's smarter than you are.

Old PH2
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 @Tango9  It all reminds me of Asimov's Robot novels, when the robots finally got enough data to predict Human behavior.

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 @ACS  @Old  @Tango9 Yea, but the books kinda give it a weird "we have to protect you from yourselves" vibe.  The robots are on our side, but it squashes creativity and takes away the drive for humans to excel.

MikeIhatefibs
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@Tango9 The only absolute is there are no absolutes

Tango9
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 @MikeIhatefibs  @Tango9 Some E-3 gets a letter from his girl who says she's marrying his best friend back home...he's the M240 gunner, loses his mind and goes to sick call that day.... Other dude has to take his place on patrol...

 

Next thing you know air assets are being diverted because his platoon got into trouble and the guy running ammo screwed it up because of the personnel change now there's 3 wounded...

 

...because air assets were diverted, mission C got pushed back 12 hours and some Lt is due to rotate home so his replacement takes over mission C.... it just goes on and on and on and on

Tango9
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 @Old PH2  @MikeIhatefibs The nasty part is paying the big brained guys to write the code.  Then they move on to another company when the contract changes primes and the next dude has to roll in and read the code...

 

I had to do that once and after 8 18 hour days I was ready to nurse on my Glock.

Old PH2
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 @Tango9  @MikeIhatefibs  Kind of a Snowball down the mountain.  Geometric progression is a bitch!

Tango9
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 @Old PH2  @MikeIhatefibs One of the problems I continually struggle with is the programming languages we use, and there inherent logic evaluation methods are 2-D by nature.  It takes an inordinate amount of code to extend a logic branch from 2-D to 3-D.

 

Example:  If A, then B.  Implies that if A is not true, B will not happen, but doesn't allow for a C unless you add another element to the logic: "If A, then B else if C then D" 

 

So the third branch required the same amount of code as the first two branches:  100% more effort to increase logic by 33%.  It gets worse... much much worse

Old PH2
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 @Tango9  @MikeIhatefibs  Yep, that logic tree gets pretty labyrinthine very quickly.

MikeIhatefibs
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I wonder If a computer can tell me the best time/location/elevation for a combat jack...

Old PH2
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Much like the current fad in LE circles, we may use predictive analysis to place our SOF troops where they will do the most good.  But i personally wonder if the deployment might be the answer to why this past year we had so many LE officers Killed in the line of duty.  What I'm suggesting is, when we stand near a fire we usually get burned.  But grown men know that and are prepared to accept that cost. 

Gunner777
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 @Old PH2 Another thing to consider is the vast majority of police departments are in small to medium communities which have no access to such new methods.

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 @Gunner777 I think that's a very important statement.  The majority of our LE will not have this asset in the bag for daily use.  Will it prove worthy of a dept.'s investment in time and analysis?   Let the big cities figure that out and hopefully knock the bugs out.

Gunner777
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 @Old PH2 It's like the larger departments have computer added dispatch in the patrol cars. In the small towns they still don't have them. They primarily just have the standard radios in the 440MHz range with the city, county and state frequency's.

 Most do have a computer program of some sort to keep stats on and write reports (back at the PD).

 Grant money is very scarce right now as well------

Tango9
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 @Gunner777  @Old PH2 Actually Gunner that's probably a plus.  I live in a rural area and our county sheriff deputies know everyone and we all know them. 

 

A pig farts wrong and half the county knows it.

Gunner777
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 @Tango9 We moved to a small town rural area after living in the city so long and you're right the local PD and SO know everyone and nobody local gets away with anything:-)

Gunner777
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 @Old PH2 Within our Street Crime Unit we looked at trends in certain areas of the city to determine where our emphasis should be in the near future. At times it would be very easy especially if we had a series of high profile violent crimes. We dropped everything and went after that present problem which of course caused the most danger to the public.

 Other times we would see a tend indicating more drug traffic by surveillance of common areas of street distribution. We would sometimes see more OD's at the local ER's. That was an indicator of a new player or a new drug distribution network. In other words when they started they didn't cut the drug as much in order to draw "customers" from other dealers.

 These are just a couple of examples among many. Bottom line we always headed to the most potentially dangerous situations. Of course the good old interrogation helped fill in the blanks at times.

 We did indeed know what we were getting into and went right on in because we took an oath to protect the public whether some wanted it or not!

 I never was much for predictive analysis. It tends to be slower than good old fashioned police work.

Farlet10
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 @Old PH2 To piggyback on that I think it is interesting that the most frequent deaths were from ambushes which I think is very relevant to our SOF.

Tango9
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 @TylerMFarley  @Old PH2 LE have it the worst I think.  At least in the military you had a good idea when and where the bad guys were.  LE folks have to keep their heads on a swivel throughout the shift.  That HAS to wear you down over the years

Gunner777
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 @Tango9  @TylerMFarley  @Old PH2 Very true---we have to sit at the back of the restaurant with backs to the wall in order to keep an eye on everyone. That may seem paranoid but at 1AM myself and another officer were trying to have a quiet snack when some idiot jumps up and starts firing at a couple he didn't even know. Turns out he didn't like black guys with white women---geez.

All turned out well for us. I wondered why he was trying so hard to get to his car from the passenger side. Turns out he had an H&R Reisling 45 cal machine gun from the 1950's on the back seat. One in the chamber and two mags taped together. The weapon was stolen from a police department in 1959!

 The point of the story is to verify what you said it can happen anytime anywhere during a shift.

Old PH2
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 @TylerMFarley I also read that out of the 72 deaths 49 officers were in body armor.  Our County started the year on Jan 1st losing a female deputy.  She was working a complaint and was shot at less than 5yds range right in the Face with a 12ga.  One other officer was injured during the following shoot out.   http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=99e_1294639792

McPosterdoor
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Its all about knowing what a computer can do well and what meatbags can do well. They got it right with the triple d, dull, dirty, dangerous. These are things computers/animatronic kill machine overlords do well; amongst others. Using them correctly should free us up for the even more important work of innovative, strategic and improvisational thinking.

Old PH2
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Yesterday I was reading this doc posted by Tango9:

http://faculty.nps.edu/cjdarken/pubs/Burgess_Darken_BRIMS04-v2.pdf

The science used by our nation for predictive analysis is no joke and most of us old timers have come to realize that every advantage is worth taking.  The use of SCARE modeling and other tools will only expand.  Riftland is particularly interesting when considering the role of Africom and the current "Public Hard On" for KONY and his Army of God.

Hell it looks like LeT is even being modeled for targeting. 

 

We need to consider this technology but continue to gather intel to more accurately feed the info subsets.  We need a policy for prisoners that will allow us to exploit the information gained.  Killing all the HVT's will only continue to keep us in the dark.    

Tango9
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 @Old PH2 But... you can't model us!

 

"The reason why it is so difficult to fight the American Army is because they never follow their own doctrine." - A Russian General

Old PH2
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 @Tango9 Ain't it great to be an American?  Hey guys, let's just make this shit up as we go, OK?  Sure boss, WTF, as long as it works! 

 

Keeps 'em guessing.

Tango9
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 @Old PH2 I saw one of those Murphy's Law posters many years ago and remember reading "If it's stupid, but it works, it isn't stupid."

 

That's how we roll.

Tango9
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 @Old PH2 At the end of that paper, the authors make clear that this type of behavioral modeling (battlefield prediction) is still in the baby stages.   At this point it's mostly just useful as a first level training tool, but it's magnificently interesting stuff.  I'm a modeling/sim guy so I get all big-eyed when it comes to this sort of thing.

Old PH2
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 @Tango9   I've taken to using the Ambush Alley rules to model small unit assaults.

Tango9
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 @Old PH2 I'll definitely give it a look, thanks man.

 

(And I'll pass on what I know to Squirrel Team 2! /looks around)

Old PH2
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 @Tango9 I've read and re-read this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Ambush-Professionals-Preparing-Preventing-Ambushes/dp/1581607245/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1337094872&sr=8-3

 

But yes it is tough to get around the OPSEC.

Tango9
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 @Old PH2 I would love nothing more than to dissect pre/post ambush set ups and TTPs but it gets a little too close to OPSEC.  Damn you OPSEC!  Taking all the fun out of it!

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