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Home » SOF News » Bullshit Journalism Has Consequences

Bullshit Journalism Has Consequences

by Brandon Webb · June 4, 2012 · Posted In: SOF News, Special Operations
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Background

Nobody appreciates a good headline more than I do. However, at what point do we sacrifice good journalism for the parroting of information without thought or a headline without substance behind it?

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A while back I wrote a response to the Daily Mail article that quoted me (“SEALs Slam Obama…”). If you read past the headline you would have seen that the SEALs quoted in the article were not “slamming” anyone, just sharing opinion and some of it supported the President with his record on Terrorism. A lot of people instantly lumped me into the Obama hater category (I’ve got my issues with Obama, but his foreign policy isn’t one of them) and Fox news came a-calling…

One of the main reasons I started SOFREP was to give a voice to the Special Operations community, bridge the understanding gap so-to-speak, and provide interpretation on current events from people who are experts…as opposed to some self-proclaimed expert who maybe did an embed and is now a combat journalist with the picture to prove it.

The Military, especially Special Operations, is often misrepresented by main stream media and I’d just had enough when I was working as an editor at Military.com and so SOFREP was born.

On to the topic at hand.

Everyone Fucks Up

I’ve done this plenty of times and it will not be the last, fortunately I have a great managing editor who keeps me grounded (most times). But it’s how you handle yourself in situations where you’ve stepped in a pile of dog crap that separate the men from the boys and the women from the girls.

So forgive me while I beat a dead horse and use the example of David Axe (and his parroting report on Korea) and a US Army General that spoke out of context.

Integrity Counts All Around

First the General: Shame on Tolley’s staff for not getting their facts straight and for apparently launching a counter strike of ungrounded statements with regards to Axe’s report.  This reflects poorly on the General and ultimately big Army. I’m a fan of exemplary leadership but it’s too late after the fact. Looks like the General is being re-assigned early.

It’s no secret that the Army has a long history of painting itself into a corner where the truth is concerned. Apparently, this incident has caused the General to be re-assigned and more to follow soon.

Only a few months ago I received a panicked phone call from an O-4 Army Public Affairs Officer (PAO) accusing us of falsely reporting on a story that Jack Murphy had posted regarding a Special Forces Soldier who had committed homicide. Once the facts were laid out this particular PAO didn’t have the truth on her side (just their version via press release) and ended up going away quietly after a quick lesson in Constitutional rights.

Bullshit Journalism

And then there is the issue of what I’m calling Bullshit Journalism. It’s spreading like a California wildfire these days and I’m committed to holding the line, at least where Special Operations and the military are concerned.

I define Bullshit Journalism as: reporting on issues where you are not an expert and/or do not bother taking the time to read up on the issue you are reporting on.

In this particular case of North Korea I feel that David Axe drifted off course and into the realm of Bullshit Journalism. He parroted information without intelligent thought and clearly out of context.  His journalistic peers not reporting as he did supports my point.  Not like North Korea is a serious issue or anything. David is lucky there’s no dead bodies on his conscience.

An Apology or Insult?

Below is an apology I pulled off of David Axe’s blog War is Boring. (War is Boring? A lot of dead terrorists might disagree I suspect)

“If Tolley truly did speak hypothetically, as he and the Pentagon now claim, then I misunderstood him – and I regret that. If I had known more about the politics of the Koreas going into Tolley’s presentation, I probably would have been more skeptical. That’s my fault. Just because U.S. Special Operations Forces are present in 77 countries (according to SOCOM Adm. Bill McRaven) and just because the U.S. routinely violates the sovereignty of nations such as Pakistan and Iran, does not necessarily mean we do that same in North Korea.” – David Axe

A note to the budding military journalist and David Axe

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Photo Credit: Olivia

Best you do your homework when you are reporting on serious issues, sometimes one small person wields a big gun, so be careful to check your bullet path to make sure you don’t hit an un-intended target and draw friendly fire.

You can learn a few lessons from how the fashion media and Katie Grand operates. They have an uncanny knack for getting things right, or else…off with your head.

Think about breaking the trend of “parrot” reporting and actually doing your homework before you push out a report regardless of if “it’s the standard”.  You and your wannabe war journalist buddies are on a lot of peoples’ radar screens right now, mine included. It takes more than an embed and a few trips to the Middle East to earn the respect of the people I run with.

Continue to thumb your faked hipster nose at this and you may find yourself in a different kind of Danger Room then the one at Wired magazine.

See you in July for beers if you’re still up for it.

Brandon

The Consequences of Bad Journalism: 17 Dead

Newsweek Example From Wikipedia:

Newsweeks April 30th, 2005 issue contained a report asserting that United States prison guards or interrogators had deliberately damaged a copy of Islam’s holiest book, the Quran. A week later, Hendrik Hertzberg wrote in The New Yorker, reporting the words of Pakistani politician Imran Khan “This is what the U.S. is doing – desecrating the Koran.”

This incident caused major upset in parts of the Muslim world.

‘For five days, nothing. Then, on May 6th, Khan, in a press conference in Islamabad, waved a copy of the offending issue and thundered, “This is what the U.S. is doing – desecrating the Koran.” And, rhetorically addressing Musharraf: “This war on terrorism is self-defeating if, on the one hand, you are demanding that we help them” – that is, us -”and, on the other hand, they are desecrating the book on which our entire faith is based.” Khan’s remarks were broadcast repeatedly throughout the Muslim world. The riots began on May 10th; in Afghanistan, seventeen people died and more than a hundred were injured.’

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Brandon Webb

Brandon Webb is a former U.S. Navy SEAL with combat deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, and elsewhere in the Middle East. His last tour in the SEAL Teams was as the Course Manager for the US Navy SEAL Sniper program, arguably one of the most difficult sniper courses in the world. He was formerly a contributing editor for Military.com, and currently the Editor-in-Chief of SOFREP.com. Brandon is regularly featured in the media as a subject matter expert on military affairs. An avid writer, his last two books (The Red Circle, & Benghazi: The Definitive Report) both hit the New York Times best seller list, and his writing has been featured in print, and digital media worldwide. You can follow him on Twitter @BrandontWebb

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Minou_Demimonde
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And going on a year later, things haven't changed. They've gotten worse. God help us, we seem to be unable to do it ourselves.

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ArcticWarrior
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 @AdSeg245  @jrexilius

 Ad Seg hmmmm a jail term for those douche bags that PC up because they are either rats, had there bung hole tore up, or are just straight up scared of a beat down and the Heads wont defend them.

 

Lance is that you?

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Recon6
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 @Tango9  Rec'd !

jrexilius
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@Tango9   chill out Tango.. not really worth getting spun up over.

 

katgirl231
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 @jeffreycarr  @Tango9 ohhh yeah, not just wifi, but libraries too :)

Tango9
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 This place was created by Brandon and Jack as a site where people interested and/or are serving in SF/SoF could come and gain a leg up on gear and info.  

 

Let's keep it tight and respect the guys that are putting out the $$ to give us this place.  I've learned so much here it's freaking ridiculous.  Eyes on the horizon.

Tango9
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 @AdSeg245 negative.  You're gone.

Tango9
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 @AdSeg245 pending.

ArcticWarrior
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 @AdSeg245  @Tango9  @ACS

 No Saddam more like Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf, he ran with the wrong crowd. If T9 says he has got it covered Im good with that.

Tango9
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 @ACS Let me put it down very simply.

 

There will be no more LCpl X discussions here.  It's not a topic for debate.  Bring it up one time and you get a warning.  Bring it up again and I have no problem giving you a 30-day time out.

 

If I even THINK you're LCpl X, or you wear a LCpl X shirt to bed or you smell like you've been in the same county as LCpl X it's done. 

 

I'm not fucking around here, I'm up to here with it, Jack is, and Brandon is as well.  This is the last I'll say about it.  From this point forward I'm on zero tolerance.  Test it at your peril.

 

Tango9
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 @ACS  @Tango9 lol no.... you're good girl

Tango9
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 @ACS    for?  

Tango9
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 @AdSeg245  @ArcticWarrior  @ACS This is the part where you stfu.

Tango9
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 @jeffreycarr I think the first 5 or so posts have to be approved, and that's by design. 

jeffreycarr
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 @Tango9  When you check with the web master, would you please ask if there's a way to move a user to fully moderated status where every post must be approved before it goes live? Please let me know if that's a possibility as it's a more convenient way of controlling problem children.

Tango9
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 @ArcticWarrior  @ACS I'll always err on the side of the poster, and I'll never pull the trigger unless I'm certain.

Tango9
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 @ArcticWarrior  @ACS I'm 2 seconds from it.  But I need to check with the SOFREP webmaster before I drop the hammer.

ArcticWarrior
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 @ACS  

You noticed that too? The badgering of T9, The Marine bullshit, the Fillipino references. The defending and passive-agressive joking. Hmmmm

 

ArcticWarrior
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 @AdSeg245

 Its also Prison slang for the above which trumps Latin in the real world

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Tango9
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 @AdSeg245 It's not 'dedication' it's an illness.  I've been around these internets and stuff since I was using Archie and Gopher, waiting 24 hours to play a BBS game.  I've been banned a few times (hah!) from a few places.  I took it, learned, and pressed on.

 

It's not cute, it's not funny, it's cause for concern.

seancul55
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 @AdSeg245 E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G

JackMurphyRGR
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 @AdSeg245 I'm interested, but a story like that takes time.  I'll look into it further when I have the chance.

Tango9
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 @JackMurphyRGR  @AdSeg245 For those that are slow on the uptake or don't get the drift:  next person that brings it up gets 1 warning.  bring it up again?  You're gone.

Old PH2
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 @JackMurphyRGR  @AdSeg245  @Tango9 Forward all Inquiry to LCplX is mother fucking Awsome @gmail.com 

 

JackMurphyRGR
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 @AdSeg245  @Tango9 If you like X than feel free to subscribe to his newsletter because he will never have a place on this website.  He made his bed, now he has to sleep in it.  Let it go.  I don't want to hear anything more on this topic.

Tango9
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 @AdSeg245 I'm going to ask you nicely one last time to let it go.

Tango9
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 @AdSeg245  @seancul55 Let it go.  It's done, it's not changing.  It's not up for debate or discussion. 

Tango9
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 @AdSeg245  @jrexilius He went postal on the people that created SOFREP.  he lost his mind.  It's that simple.  It's not about content it's about crapping where you eat.

seancul55
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 @AdSeg245 He's adding content?  What, being a smug bastard, insulting SOF personnel, and repeatedly ignoring scientific evidence with his "coulda, woulda, shoulda" BS and crummy Google "sources?"  Kid's a cancer.

Tango9
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 @AdSeg245 It's not negotiable.

katgirl231
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 @AdSeg245  @Tango9 I wonder if he drives by my part of town, I'll have to wave.

TOMBSTONE
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Gotta say, i miss X. Just reading some of his comments at  the War Is Boring blog,he's a funny guy.

JackMurphyRGR
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This is why you've seen me write about Uganda but I've held off on other countries that I'd really, really like to write about such as Syria, Libya, Mali, and the PI to some extent.  You really have to be on your A game before weighing in.

katgirl231
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 @JackMurphyRGR you and your stuff astonishes me - I really really don't know how you do it.  Do you sleep?

JackMurphyRGR
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 @katgirl231 Hell yes, what do you think I work for a living?

BrandonWebb
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 @JackMurphyRGR Hopefully Glen Doherty will get off his ass and give us a piece on Libya...

SEAN SPOONTS(MAFIA)
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@BrandonWebb Jeez, the way you butter him up, I'm surprised he hasn't already. Lol

LauraWalkerKC
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 @BrandonWebb  @JackMurphyRGR Somebody needs to. I get asked about Libya all day every day.  There was a piece in the LA Time calling for toppling Assad's regime today.  And then what? 

 

I was very sympathetic to Homs with the shelling, but things on the ground with the "rebels" shift every day and it's not good, that's for sure.

LauraWalkerKC
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 @Old PH2  @BrandonWebb  @JackMurphyRGR I deal with Tunisia & Salafists all the time.  Yet another "arab spring" being hijacked by fundies.

Old PH2
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 @LauraWalkerKC  @BrandonWebb  @JackMurphyRGR NPR has a series this week in Tunisia that has some interesting information.

Tango9
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 @LauraWalkerKC  @BrandonWebb  @JackMurphyRGR Darlin, it's complicated.

Tango9
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 @JackMurphyRGR Rgr Jack.  That's why I respect what you write:  you keep it wired tight.

jeffreycarr
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I criticize journalists on an almost daily basis for their ill-formed and frequently mistaken writings about cyber warfare, information warfare, cyber security, etc. The good ones ask questions of experts before writing their story. Many, however, don't bother and just repeat the wrong information that other ill-informed journalists or politicians have said. It's maddening and the only thing to do is to post an article like this one which lays the problem out in plain, un-varnished, un-apologetic prose. Good job, Brandon.

katgirl231
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 @jeffreycarr when journalists copy what other ones wrote creating an avalanche of errors a friend I worked with at JPL called it "selling each other hamburgers" that guy was funny.  A brilliant IP attorney friend of mine up north and I would talk about all the mistakes we'd see from our own areas of knowledge and he just said, "Anyone who has knowledge about at topic can see what garbage gets written."

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Tango9
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 @TomRyan  @jeffreycarr Good advice Tom.     From the USMC rules for gunfighting:

 

20) Be polite. Be professional. And have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

21) Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.

KineticFury
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 @jeffreycarr "many....just repeat the wrong info that other ill-informed (or uninformed) journalists or politicians have said."

 

Glad someone brought that out. Drives me crazy as well. Also, not to get off topic here, but this is one reason I enjoy listening to Rush Limbaugh when he plays compilation clips of the 'drive-bys' all saying the same crap.

 

We need more reporting and less journalism!

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KineticFury
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Hey, at least they got your name right.

 

 

 

BrandonWebb
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 @TomRyan Great example of the issue at hand TomRyan.

LauraWalkerKC
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If your idea of journalism is to print something you overheard from a juicy source without fact checking or researching the subject, you're not a journalist.  You're a gossip.

Tango9
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 @LauraWalkerKC I may light a fire with this but:

 

My engineering students continually mock (with my complicit, passive, encouragement) the students that get degrees in communications.  Why?

 

Ever try to pull one over on a 4 year old and he/she catches you? 

 

Journalists live in a little fantasy world in which they decide the truth.  Outside that 2-foot radius, the rest of the world can smell bullshit immediately.  But the Comm major never acknowledges that, and they seek and find other comm majors that agree with their world view so as to increase that radius.

 

It never helps, and the end result is we, as garden variety Americans, veterans, look upon them with unending skepticism, derision, distrust and, in general dislike.

 

But they don't care... they just keep on doing what they're bad at doing.

katgirl231
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 @Tango9  @LauraWalkerKC Tango, I know it's not a kind thing to say, but I agree with you about other majors and we did the same thing.  We not only had to be good at many things to get in, we also had to be top notch problem solvers and we were trained to be critical thinkers constantly throughout our studies/labs.  The best example of that is we didn't just read some collection of famous papers and write a blue book essay - common in so many departments.  We studied all the great discoveries leading up to today's knowledge of our world and in lab we had to duplicate those experiments and challenge the methods and our answers with error analysis over-and-over again. I dropped psych when I took statistical methods for the behavioral sciences when I was just handed equations to memorize so that you could use them in your research.  In our field we had to derive them from scratch to get an intuitive understanding of how they worked and why Gaussian statistics doesn't often fit (I am on topic - I want to vomit every time I see journalists misuse statistics).  We may be the last bunch who do get trained in critical thinking and I for one am afraid Idiocracy is here and getting worse by stages before it ends up with "Welcome to Costco, I love you."

katgirl231
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 @Tango9  @LauraWalkerKC this me being kinda bad but I doubt that many of the smartest in other departments would survive the first half qtr of physics

katgirl231
katgirl231 5pts

 @Tango9  @LauraWalkerKC my Zen Koan for the day. "Does every blogger who reports news have the right to call himself a journalist?"

NateGranzow
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 @Tango9  I don't like the insinuation that all communications majors disregard the importance of the truth—that's a direct affront to me and my career, and I don't think you or anyone, for that matter, has the prerogative to deride an entire trade and the vast group of people who practice it according to a personal bias. I've said it before: It's inevitable that there will be bad eggs in any trade, organization, group, etc. etc. It's simply a numbers game. But to classify all of us as inferior to your engineering students? Hardly appropriate. It behooves you, particularly as a professor, to exercise a little discretion.

Old PH2
Old PH2 5pts

 @Tango9 We have lost way to many aviators to Bird strikes, You physics guys are probably working on some type of "Force Field" to keep them out.  Wouldn't that be fuckin awsome?  If only

katgirl231
katgirl231 5pts

 @Tango9  @NateGranzow odd - same thing in my school's physics floor rest-room...

 

katgirl231
katgirl231 5pts

 @Tango9  @ArcticWarrior heck no Tango.  Maybe it's off topic - I could not be one to criticize that.  Memories happen.  If there is any place other than with your old bunch where you could think out loud - this would be the place, right?  Most of us here understand it.

katgirl231
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 @Tango9 shit. :_(

Tango9
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 @ArcticWarrior thanks AW.  little stuff.  it matters.

Tango9
Tango9 5pts

 @ArcticWarrior Sorry folks.  We've all lost.  I just got wrapped around the axle.  This ain't the place to memorialize... sorry. Back on topic.

Tango9
Tango9 5pts

 @ArcticWarrior And Tim Thomas was a badass CDMT.  And tequilla?  tequilla was his bitch.  Legault's room on base always looked liked it vomited 10 canadians and all their liquor + some lawn chairs.   You had to see it to appreciate it.

ArcticWarrior
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 @Tango9

 Ever

Tango9
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 @ArcticWarrior We never forget, right?  Ever.  Ever.

ArcticWarrior
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 @Tango9

 No sweat brother. When you mentioned it the hair on my arms stood up and the memories all came back. I can still remember all the yellow leaves and even after break up in 06 it still smelled like JP. It was tragic to the whole city. From the Glenn you get a slightly elevated great view of the area around the flightline, it was rush hour.

The ADN and the local news did a great job covering it and the impact it had on the community.

Its a good reminder to email Brian, I havent spoken to him in a few months.

Tango9
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 @ArcticWarrior Parrish had this horrible acne problem... Bramer was a sex god:  the chicks flocked to him... Maj Stewart was one of the best officers I knew.

Tango9
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 @ArcticWarrior it is what it is I shoudln't have brought it up.  But these journolists, as they call themselves, have no appreciation for the loss. 

 

They just don't.  They never will.

Tango9
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@ArcticWarrior

Richard G. Leary, Lieutenant Colonel, USAF Navigator

Richard P. Stewart II, Major, USAF Mission Crew Commander

Marlon R. Thomas, Major, USAF Mission Crew Commander

Steve Tuttle, Major, USAF Airborne Surveillance Officer

Glenn "Skip" Rogers, Captain, USAF Pilot

Robert John Long, Captain USAF Senior Director

Bradley W. Paakola, Captain, USAF Pilot

Carlos Alberto Arriaga, First Lieutenant, USAF Weapons Director

Stephen C. O'Connel, Master Sergeant, USAF Advanced Air Surveillance Technician

Bart L. Holmes, Technical Sergeant, USAF Flight Engineer

Ernest R. Parrish, Technical Sergeant, USAF Area Specialist

Dave Pitcher, Sergeant, CAF Battle Director Technician

Charles D. Sweet, Jr., Technical Sergeant, USAF Airborne Radar Technician

Brian K. Vanleer, Technical Sergeant, USAF Advanced Air Surveillance Technician

Mark Alan Bramer, Technical Sergeant, USAF Flight Engineer

Timothy B. Thomas, Technical Sergeant, USAF Computer Display Maintenance Technician

Mark A. Collins, Technical Sergeant, USAF Commmunications Systems Operator

J.P. Legault, Master Corporal, CAF Communications Technician

Scott A. Bresson, Staff Sergeant, USAF Airborne Radar Technician

Raymond O. Spencer, Jr., Staff Sergeant, USAF Airborne Surveillance Technician

Joshua N. Weter, Senior Airman, USAF Computer Display Maintenance Technician

Lawrence E. DeFrancesco, Senior Airman, USAF Communications Systems Operator

Darien F. Watson, Airman, USAF Airborne Surveillance Technician

Jeshua C. Smith, Airman, USAF Airborne Surveillance Technician

 

I can't tell you how many beers I had with these guys, we shared dorm rooms, these were my brothers.  30 seconds.

katgirl231
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  @Tango9 No words for that.  Tragic.  But I probably would have done the same thing.  I'm a chicken, if I do, I'm taking the muzzle brake off the Barrett...

 

ArcticWarrior
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 @Tango9

 Crazy thing was they had just discussed the Goose problem about a week before. My friend Brian G was a Sr NCO who worked with Mother, he was devestated.

Tango9
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 @ArcticWarrior i had no idea you were there.  Fucking geese.

ArcticWarrior
ArcticWarrior 5pts

 @Tango9

 Im sorry about Mother going down and your friend. I was on the Glenn Highway just past Eagle River and the Natl Guard Heliport, coming up on D street entrance to Fort Rich, it looks right towards the flightline. It was quarter to 8. I saw the fireball and then the thick black JP smoke and new it was either Mother or a 141. The whole area was very heavy that fall. Thats a tough cross your friend had to carry. Sorry for your loss. Anchorage is a small town, very pro military as you would imagine. It was felt by everyone.

Tango9
Tango9 5pts

 @NateGranzow When Yakula 27 went down, a friend of mine had swapped out and wasn't on the flight.  2 days later his wife asked him to go with him to the store... she dies in a car accident. 

 

He crawled to the top of a mountain in Alaska and put a 9mm through his mouth.

 

Media?  Nothing.  I have no use for you.  lawyers and reporters, same bucket.

Tango9
Tango9 5pts

 @NateGranzow Sorry, Nate.  I've lost too many friends.  Friends of friends.  I lost 34 in 30 seconds, only to watch coverage of Casey Anthony on my television.  I have no respect for you or what you do, and never will.

Tango9
Tango9 5pts

 @NateGranzow And as a side note:  I post here as a United States Air Force Staff Sergeant and a Texan and it behooves me to tell you that you can kiss my Texas ass.

Tango9
Tango9 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @NateGranzow As an undergrad (oh... so many years ago) I had professors that would kick my ass but teach me.  I respected them, they drove me. 

 

When I had to take Humanities courses, the professors were aloof, didn't give 2 craps, and when you approached them they'd dismiss you as if you were approaching the throne of Isis without permission.

 

As an undergrad I had a perfect GPA until... (drum roll) Law and Literature, wherein I failed to sufficiently acknowledge in my paper that Billy Budd was gay.  D+.  I was active duty.  9 years of busting my ass (5 of those as a military training instructor, sacrificing 3 of the 5 hours of sleep I could get a night to do homework), and this asshole rolls in... He hated me BECAUSE I was military.  I could see it in his eyes, and from day 1 I knew I was fucked. 

 

So yeah...

 

Good news is my dept chair laughed his ass off as he signed off on my admission to the graduate program when I told him that story.  He hates them too.

Tango9
Tango9 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @NateGranzow You can not like it as much as you want.  However, every time I take a... ahem... visit the men's room... in the engineering building there's a cut-in-stone (it's been there for 20 years) message right above the Charmin:

 

"Comm degrees.  Take one."

 

The complete intellectual disregard and contempt we have for them cannot be adjusted by your post.

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