The 75th Ranger Regiment Goes To Hollywood

what do you mean that rangers will be tier? ...tier 1? doesnt the army already have delta

Thank You for posting the video below! I sent this to 30 men earlier today. Some are SOF, a few are/were Rangers. So far,I had 1 reply. He said, "I NEVER looked that good duriing RASP and my uniform was NEVER that clean". These guys looked like Actors-is the feedback we got. We are exloring the political intricies of this issue.

Haha, wow so I guess I wasn't the only one Sunday night going "WTF?!"  On the bright side, one of my high school football buddies graduated in that RASP Class0 5/12.  He's now doing fine in 3rd Batt from what I've heard.  He was mentored well by our other high school football buddy, an E-5 in 1st Batt though.  Hopefully by the time I FINALLY get my shot, things will be back to normal.  Would hate to arrive at Batt, IF I made it through, and be looked upon by the senior guys as unworthy of even being there because I didn't have the chance to achieve the same standard they did once upon a time.

Having said all of that, there HAVE been (for comparison's sake) BUD/S classes with absurdly low attrition rates in the past, including no bell Hell Weeks.  I know they have happened interspersed over the years, not in a lump, and not recently I don't believe.  There have also been classes (like Class 45 or something like that) that graduated not a single man.  That would be statistical variance at work.  However, if as Jack is saying every RASP class since 05/12 has graduated most of the men, then that would seem to indicate some shenanigans.  Will definitely be keeping my eyes and ears open for the scoop from guys like Jack and lassen, as I hope to someday call the 75th home myself.

Even though the Tier system isn't officially used anymore, my Ranger buddy in CAG told me awhile back that the 75th Ranger Regiment in it's entirety was considered "Tier One" along with CAG and ST-6.

I have a question (and hope it’s not a dumb one). I watched the show last night and at the end, the candidates were given their tan berets and the narrator stated a few times that individuals could be deployed in just a few weeks after receiving their berets. Following the show was a documentary on Green Beret selection and at the end, they were told they had only won the opportunity to receive their berets and would have extensive training to complete. I know from my readings (including Brandon’s excellent book) that finishing BUDS is only the first step of becoming a SEAL and there is lots of training ahead (and opportunities to fail) for SEAL candidates. So the question is: Are the candidates for the regiment already Rangers? Had they already gone through a selection process and extensive special forces training before they got to this grueling selection camp?

Anyone find it online yet? Really wanna see this.

75th FB deleted my post from last light as well as Brandon's.  I guess they do not want the public to know that those who have been through the RIP/RASP of yesterday to know we know the standards have been lowered for what every bullshit reason and what ever the PAO says is just plain bullshit.

Well I posted a message on their FB page this morning. I wasn't trashing the show, more posing a question as to the high grad rate and what seemed to be the graduation of honor code violators and land nav failures. They simply could have said these guys later proved themselves. But instead they deleted my post.

I just posted this in response to deleting my post:

So I love the Ranger Regiment, I was at 3rd from 99-05 and miss it every day. I think I served the Regiment well and never questioned my orders. I also know I busted my ass in RIP and we lost a few guys to honor violations and not meeting the standards. It was simple, you had an honor violation you were gone. So I must say that when I have a post deleted without explanation because I expressed my personal confusion over a class that was filmed and presented to the public about how RASP is made to weed out those who aren't fit for Regiment yet passed what seemed to be landnav failures and honor code violators I am somewhat dismayed. Maybe it is because I posted numbers from previous classes? Maybe it was because I posted a link to an article that the moderator didn't like?  It just seems that Regiment wouldn't want to show this and us in the "know" of Ranger operations and selection process are obviously confused and dismayed.

Let see what happens next. I hate that it feels like a family member just un-friended me.

Found this in a thread over at socnet. http://www.socnet.com/showthread.php?t=110667

Originally Posted by OppressorsBeware175

Another quote from my buddy: "Here is the scary part, when I tell you the attrition rate everyone in bn thinks that everyone is graduating (their mentality for the most part is the even the quitters or POS's will graduate). Over 70 percent that starts will graduate. It isn't that everyone can graduate now, simply we are starting the classes with the right people in it. The students get vetted in pre-rasp and have to meet certain pre-reqs before they can start a rasp class. Reason I posted this is because that way people can know that we did not church it up for discovery channel. What you see in the show is what you will see in rasp."

So apparently most of the attrition is occurring in Pre-RASP.

 @JackMurphyRGR  Does this mean that it is easier now to become an Army Ranger than it is to become a Marine Grunt now. And maybe whats happening to Marine Recon right now(Recon Marines leaving to MarSOC) is happening to the Ranger Regiment(Rangers to SFOD-D).

From a year ago, in their own words, so what is really going on

"Just 37 percent of RASP I candidates will graduate from the program, compared with the 50 percent to 60 percent who graduated from RIP between 2005 and 2009.

However, the number of Rangers who are released for standards has dropped from almost 200 a year to about 120 a year, said Maj. Matt Work, commander of the Regimental Selection and Training Company."

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2011/09/army-75th-ranger-aims-for-more-course-graduates-090311w/

After giving this more thought, the only legitimate reason for such a high pass rate is if the class were composed largely of ex-75th guys trying to come back in.  Not only would they have a naturally high accession rate themselves but they would stiffen the backbone of the new guys. If this were the case, ti likely would have come out by now, however.

For those still following the thread, the issue at hand is much less the extraordinarily high pass rate of this class than what it portends.  It makes no difference if the pass rate is 1% or 100% if, and only if, the quality of the graduate is unaltered.  On this thread there are 75th guys stretching from pre-Regiment RIP days, to post-Regiment RIP days, to post-9/11 RIP days to, now, RASP.  It's notable that a 20-35% pass rate seem constant over those decades.  At the times when the pass rate rose substantially at any time in those 30+ years, there is unanimity that the Bns or Regiment suffered and stetting things straight was arduous and lengthy.

Reduced to its essence, the only issue here is an explanation of how the pass rate rose to 80% without a concomitant decrease in the quality of the graduate.  In the long run, the only people that will be able to provide an adequate answer about the quality of these new RASP graduates are the TL's/SL's/PSG's charged with their training.  If already, as Jack states below, 12 have been RFS'd, then those leaders have begun to speak.

Recently finished the book Sua Sponte: The forging of a modern American Ranger.  Great book (just the second book written by a SEAL I managed to get through).  I highly recommend it, especially as the treatment of RASP 1 and 2 are very thorough.  The class covered in the book graduated less than 25%.  What RASP is that RIP wasn't is a true assessment and selection course.  The inclusion of peer reviews and boards elevates the process from just being a measure of whether the individual can handle the physical and mental duress to one where the character flaws uncovered in the process are directly and specifically addressed. This is especially true for the RASP 2 candidates.  Much about the 75th is the same from what I took away from the book and what is different is almost universally for the better-current thread notwithstanding.

You guys can always email the PAO and ask? I'm sure he'd love to hear from you. 

Admittedly, when I first saw the title of the article I thought they were coming out with a new season of Surviving the Cut, where they reveal the hardest schools in the US Military.  EVER.  Again.  But this seems more like a 3 Weeks in Hell kind of deal.  Oh what the heck, I'll take a look.  For the record, I agree that the 91/114 figure seems strange.  The video appears to be for Best Ranger though, but that seems more like an iron man course of some sort.  What does that have to do with being a Ranger?

I'm waiting for the statement saying "well the reason is that soldiers are showing up better prepared physically". Oh really? So this class was full of mentally tough cross fitters? What are the odds??

lol this is so embarrassing. I cant get over it