The full story here.
Warning: Graphic Video
The full story here.
Warning: Graphic Video
At 00:27 in this video, there are a few frames of a building with a pitched roof. I don't know about Parwan Province, but here in Wardak the only pitched roofs you see out in the villages (very fuck'n few) are on buildings funded by the the folks trying to win the hearts and minds.
It is too bad that we couldn't have dropped a 1,000 pound bomb in the middle of this mess and killed everybody. The world would have been a better place as aa result.
Once I got past the horror of the story (and no, I did not watch the video), what struck me was the impossible position of these women. By religion and culture, they are limited to only two choices: submit and suffer hell on earth or fight against and face eternal damnation. My mind cannot comprehend being hemmed in by those 'choices'. There is a Cheyenne saying: A nation is conquered when the hearts of its women are on the ground. It is my most fervent hope that the Taliban have been the authors of their own doom.
@StormR That Cheyenne quote goes on my wall in the "man cave"... plus I'm sure that I'll score points with the wife on that one! I owe ya one Stormie!
@StormR Much like other repressive regimes the men women and children have all been brutalized to the point of submission. Even moderate men will not stick their neck out for fear of loosing their head. It's not just the women, the whole thing is a system designed to control every aspect of the population. Ultimately, those in power will do anything to stay in power.
Ultimately it will end for these scumbags, hopefully via Reapers Hellfire - " Even as I have seen, they that plow iniquity, and sow wickedness, shall reap the same."
I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit..................it's the only way to be sure
- Corporal Hicks
Savages!!!!! And people say I'm unruley!! To hell with them! They use their god as a cover to keep them out of the crosshairs!
@wadea1974 I believe that they are very much IN the crosshairs, if you get my meaning brother. Some of them may have been reduced as we speak...
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Matt they push the Quasi Sharia thing here. Google Dearborn Muslim attacks Christians from last month. We just had a whole security brief on it.
Watch the video
@ArcticWarrior @Matt2 All do respect here but those Christians did the best that they could to incite the Muslims (who were celebrating the Arab International Festival held at that time). Rolling down the middle of the festival with a pig's head and a sign that declares Mohammed a "child molesting pervert" (that gave me a hardy chuckle) was not the best way of opening up dialogue. That said, I find it equally reprehensible that those Muslims did not listen to their other Prophet Jesus Christ and "turn and offer the other cheek". Just goes to show how prone to violence that those particular (obviouslynot just them but I will not go as far as to say "all") Muslims are. I also agree with Mr. Israel that the police were ineffectual, they did nothing according to the article. The protection afforded folks who exercise their freedom of speech via expression (in this case the Muslims resorting to stone casting) ends when that involves physical assault of the offending peoples. There should be Muslims in jail and a few of the "Bible Believers" (as they refer to themselves) should have their pee-pees whacked. You will not be able to convince me that the Christian group was trying to merely exercise their freedom to demonstrate with such awful rhetoric. Example: Westboro Baptist Church, may those bastards rot in Hell along with OBL.
@ArcticWarrior "It is an offense against parenthood itself and the awesome responsibility parents have for nurturing and protecting their children,"
I thought AZ had the death penalty? Too bad, I don't think I'd like to be an AZ resident, knowing damn well that I am feeding this bastard and my own children at the same time. I actually love my son apparently there isn't room for that in his brand of Islam... fucking animal. Throw his ass on the border and see how long he lasts...
I had forgotten this guys name but was able to find it. It happens in the good ole USA folks, albeit without the 150 DBs cheering.
@Matt2 Back at You bro, we are All in this together! 6
@ArcticWarrior AW, I know life gets busy but we old guys have radar and it goes off when we don't see folks squaking on guard every now and then.
@Recon6 Congrats on the grandcritter getting through OCS. That's good stuff. I wish him well, head down, powder dry and all that.
T you know us Long Range guys, we're gone and back before you know it. Certain Federal Judicial decisions had me busy for a bit.
thought I had told you? My bad. He is now a Senior at The Citadel and then be unleashed as a 'butter bar' on the Corps. Glad to be back and looking forward to more SOFREP participation. Knew it was in good hands with you and Matt2 and AW!
You are absolutely correct about them fishing for trouble and playing the victim they were DBs, my point is two-fold. Listen to the crowds sentiments and the fact that your LEO headed by Mike Jaafa did nothing, and thats here in the US in a city with a large ME population. You think in IQ or AFG or PAK women will get justice? If you didnt hear the American dialog you would easily confuse this for AJ showing something from the ME. Look at what happened to Western female reporters in Egypt?
@ArcticWarrior I gotchya AW, as you recall I found the reaction to the march absolutely wrong and reprehensible. My intent was merely to provide context which I believe the article did well but the author allowed Mr. Israel to overplay the victim card, in my never-to-be-humble opinion.
Deputy Chief Mike Jaafar had his guys stand around and do nothing. We just had some major high tension protests after the SCOTUS decisions and both sides while extremely passionate refrained from that sort of behavior.
Was the other group atagonizing them ,yup no doubt but listen to whats being said.
@Matt2 Roger that! Even our own GEN "Blackjack" Pershing didn't play with these mofos. Executing them and sending their worthless remains back home wrapped in pigskin. Imagine an American GEN other than our current CENTCOM commander doing something like that! I'd love to see Maddis slip the leash.....Going' off the rails on a crazy train!
@MedicSteve2 @Matt2 Loving the Ozzy reference, good on ya! I too would like to see some batshit crazy happen. If the enemy sees that we have lost our patience, maybe they'd be more willing to come to the table of peace.
This thread reminds me of a joke, it's offensive so I will apologize for it in advance and take the pee-pee whackin' when it comes:
A Cowboy, a Muslim and a Native North American are on the bus. The Native American laments that, "Once we were many, now we are few."
The Muslim proudly declares that, "Once we were few but now we are many!"
To this the Cowboy responds, "Well shoot sir, that's because we ain't played Cowboys and Muslims yet!"
@Matt2 My guess (and hope) is that this high-vis scandal forced more than a few Taliban leaders to raise their profiles. Incoming Hellfires, motherfuckers.
I heard it was less about "in the name of Allah" and more about "this whore has dirt on us both, so let's kill her to avoid getting found out and shut her up once and for all".
This type of savage behavior is not only intolerable but plainly what keeps these people from being capable of progressing into a modern style of living. I graduate college soon, and this is why I am going into the service. The treatment of innocents like this makes me not only angry but sick.
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In order to put that in context, you have to realize where a woman stands in this culture (which is somewhere lower than the farm animals). If a woman is raped- it is her fault, and she is punished (mutiple news stories over this). Her word is completely invalid, if allowed, her testimony is only valid to half of a mans-in courts of law.
@JMattHicks Yeah this is a straight out honor killing. The girl if she was married,either got to friendly with these fellows, or was caught alone and ravaged by them. Since she had no male family member to protect her these guys automatically assume she is a whore to be treated as they see fit.
Her status is unimportant in their eyes. She could have been a widow, it sounded like she had children. Maybe she had no male family to help her, these guys that raped her may have caught her going to market alone. Any of these things could have happened. And since they did her headman with in the tribe she belongs to would be responsible to assure justice is met. Loose women are executed in Islam.
When my wife was a little girl in Iran her Christian family was always in fear that one of their daughters would be kidnapped, rapped and killed, or forced into marriage with some Muslim. Bad enough they where constantly groped and leered at. My brothers in law, and their uncles have some wild stories about street brawls over family honor.
1) Shoot everyone that's a threat. Saw him with an AK yesterday and he doesn't have 1 today? too bad. Shoot him
2) firebases don't work. we knew this shit since vietnam. Push through, hold, and don't let anyone in
3) if it comes from Pakistan, shoot Pakistan. Let Pakistan know that if they harbor the enemy we're coming and we don't give a shit, what are they going to do? cry? Fuck off.
4) build real allies and warriors, people that want to be free. Train them, but keep a pistol to their temple so they know that if they even LOOK like they're going to go off the rez their head becomes a canoe.
@JMattHicks I'm no NCIS detective but
1) she ran off with another guy or
2) she was raped by taliban shitbags
Anyone want to take Vegas odds on this one?
I hate to say it but this one was pretty tame. She was lucky they were merciful and shot her. Many women are stoned or hung. In Turkey I've read of girls being buried alive under chicken coops or even thrown into privies. It's not just the Taliban, it's all of Islam.
Take a look over at a true story, available on NetFlix: The Stoning of Soraya M. This is a real case of a woman that was executed in Iran sometime after the revolution. It is graphic, and it is very heartrending to see her own sons turn on her.
You who now me realize my wife was born Iranian, and I think you have some idea of my feelings. Let me give you a little insight into the Hell on earth she came through: When my wife found out she was pregnant for our first child she was very depressed. I thought it must be the hormonal changes that come with pregnancy. Then she found out we would be having a girl, I was beside myself. Nothing I could do would help assuage her depression. I finally was able to get her to talk about it. She never wanted to bring children into this Fucked up world. When she found out we where having a girl she remembered all the restrictions, oppression, and physical danger she faced as a girl.
@Old PH2 I don't know you, but i can only imagine that your wife's experience growing up as a girl in Iran would have made you more aware of crap that women face on a daily basis (and most likely made you a better father and man).
As some have pointed out on this thread, I'm not sure if you can influence and change a thousand years of brutality in a few years. What I think we can all agree on is that if we see or know of violence against women and children occurring in our own local communities, we should do something (and i know some of you are very vocal about what that "something" should be).
@Old PH2 I'm married to a palestinian christian. Want to go to school with THAT lunchbox?
In reading this book: http://www.amazon.com/The-Legacy-Jihad-Islamic-Non-Muslims/dp/1591026024/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1342025112&sr=8-1&keywords=the+legacy+of+jihadI discovered that the word "slave" came from the Ottoman turks enslaving the slavic nations by the hundreds of thousands. Islam: the religion that coined "slave" and yet the ignorant people, in our own country, regardless of race (but I'm looking at you, Nation of Islam), just ignore thousands of years of history like it didn't matter.
@SEAN SPOONTS @Tango9 Let's not forget that "human trafficking", or as I like to call it "the slave trade", is still alive and well in a lot of the developing nations across the world. Hell, Chinese authorities just busted 800 (not a misprint) human traffickers and freed 200 "indentured" peoples. Great success and all but I think that this speaks to the depth of the problem, not to specific milestone in thwarting this black market activity. I'm sure that our Muslim friends know a thing or to about how to provide logistics for such an enterprise.
@HugeFan @SEAN SPOONTS When I was in Saudi in the early 90's (prior to the first gulf war) it was evident. The running joke (it's really not funny) was you never saw a saudi actually work a day in his life, the callouses were on the hands of the Phillpino *slaves* and the saudis' hands were usually linked with some other male saudi wearing a man dress.
It goes without saying we despised them.
@Tango9 Remember what the did with the boys? Look up Janissary, these young Christian boys where taken from their families and brutalized into becoming shock troops for the Sultan.