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No Kidding There I Was…Navy SEAL FNG

by Brandon Webb · July 14, 2012 · Posted In: No Kidding There I Was
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Wayne is a good friend of mine, and has a very accomplished track record in the SEAL community and now as an Executive in the Defense industry.  We were both talking and swapping sea stories when Wayne said, “we should do a weekly series where guys can share there experiences with the SOFREP community”.

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So I give you”No Shit There I Was”, our new weekly column on SOFREP. We’ll share our stories, but we also want to hear yours. If you are active, reserve or a veteran, then please share your war stories with us via the Comms Check Portal. Just don’t forget to change the names to protect the guilty…

No Shit There I Was: Navy SEAL FNG

By: Wayne Stansel

My first Team out of BUD/s was SEAL Team Four.  When my BUD/s Class received our orders, I was ecstatic to learn that I would be joining Team Four, and I was also the envy of most of my classmates.  The reason for their coveting of my orders was that Team Four’s Area of Operations was South America, and OPERATION JUST CAUSE had recently kicked off.  This meant that I would likely be getting in the shit right off the bat, or so I thought.  Little did I know the latter was not to be, for a couple reasons, not the least of which was the fact that the conflict was short lived.  Noriega and his cronies wound up being no match for our U.S. Special Operations Forces.  Our quick victory in Panama did not come without cost, as Team Four took a big hit during the Patilla Airfield raid and sustained 4 KIA and twice that many WIA during the ensuing firefight.  It was a dark day for our community and for the team.  It was also a somber and humbling experience for me.  It made me realize very quickly that being a team guy was much more than just making it through BUD/s and showing up at the team.  I had a long way to go, and a lot to learn before I would be ready to deploy, and even if the conflict had lasted longer, I was far from ready at that point to be any good to anybody in an operational situation.  What I would come to realize pretty quickly is that BUD/s is hard, because being a Team Guy is hard.   I would experience challenges at Team Four and other places in my career over the years that were harder than anything I experienced in BUD/s.

Showing up as an FNG to a SEAL Team fresh off the battle field was, let’s just say… interesting.  It was far from a warm welcome, and the lessons came hard and often.  I remember walking down the hall upon arrival and getting one dirty look after another from dudes that looked like they had just popped straight out of a Tom Clancy novel.  Sam Elliott mustaches, goatees, and hair that rolled over their collars, seemed to be standard issue at the team, as were the non-conformal grooming standard waivers that accompanied them.  Another thing that was obvious about these guys was that they all had the thousand yard stare.  I didn’t… not yet anyway, and I was fish out of water.  I felt like a steak that had just been thrown to a pack of wolves.  It wasn’t that the guys didn’t like me, but as a new guy, they didn’t know me, and more importantly, I had not yet earned their trust or respect.  Little did I know at the time, but making it through training simply meant that I had been given an opportunity for a shot at earning my place amongst these warriors.  They would decide if I deserved to be there, they would pin the Trident on my chest… if I earned it, and nothing was guaranteed.

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Having just experienced the sting and pain that accompanies the loss of Teammates in combat, their tolerance for mistakes was non-existent, and the bar they set for operational performance was very high.  I was expected to show them I deserved to be there, and that I was operationally ready to be trusted with their lives.   They knew better than I did at the time that my actions would affect the team as a whole.  They also knew that my potential mistakes would most likely result in someone else’s death or injury rather than my own.  These guys weren’t about to just hand me that without knowing that I was good to go.  My teammates and the leadership of my first platoon taught, mentored, and coached me through those early days.  Although it was not always obvious to me at the time, everything they did was for the betterment of me and to strengthen the team as a whole.  The result was that I became a valuable and respected member of the team.  Once I had earned their trust and confidence, they welcomed me with open arms into their brotherhood.  Through the lessons and teachings of the Team Four Operators, I discovered that being a good team guy is pretty simple as long as you can follow three rules.  These rules are the fundamental building blocks upon which you build the foundation of your life in the Teams.

1)    Make yourself the best operator you can possibly be. 

This means, find your operational and physical weaknesses, and work your ass off to make them your strengths.  Too often, operators want to focus on things they are good at, and are afraid to show their weaknesses, but those who are willing to expose themselves to criticism and work to become better at the things they are lacking in, will end up much better overall operators in the long run.

2)   Be a Team Player.

Mission first… Teammates second… Self last.  Always be looking for a way to contribute to the Team’s mission success.  Find a way to be a part of the solution no matter what task the Team is facing.  This rule applies to everything from room clearances to tactical planning and preparation for a real world op to cleaning the shitters and everything in between.  Bottom line; you are either employed (have your part covered), or you are actively seeking employment (looking for something that needs to be covered).

3)   Be humble.

This is a tough one to learn, especially as a new guy, and some people never achieve this one.  Pride and confidence come from a place of strength, and if they are earned, they are a good thing, but cockiness comes from a place of weakness, and it is generally a sign that you have something to hide or that you are compensating for self doubt.

Following these rules resulted in a pretty long and solid career in the Teams for me.  I spent five years at Team Four, and almost 25 years total at various Teams and commands within NSW.  I did my best to pass on the lessons I learned in the early days of my career as an FNG to those who came behind me.  Today’s FNGs are tomorrow’s leaders and mentors, and you need to always make sure the guy behind you can do your job when you are gone.  Is that the 4th rule?…  Hell, what do I know?…   “No shit… There I was…”

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Brandon Webb is a former U.S. Navy SEAL with combat deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, and elsewhere in the Middle East. His last tour in the SEAL Teams was as the Course Manager for the US Navy SEAL Sniper program, arguably one of the most difficult sniper courses in the world. He was formerly a contributing editor for Military.com, and currently the Editor-in-Chief of SOFREP.com. Brandon is regularly featured in the media as a subject matter expert on military affairs. An avid writer, his last two books (The Red Circle, & Benghazi: The Definitive Report) both hit the New York Times best seller list, and his writing has been featured in print, and digital media worldwide. You can follow him on Twitter @BrandontWebb

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SEAN SPOONTS
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Alright, I'll throw one out. It was customary that graduating HS-1 SAR school classes would have a party to celebrate graduation after the ceremony. This party would include the instructors generally. In my time SAR school was attenuated to HS-1 at Jacksonville and operated out of a rickety old wood building that we believed was the barracks John Paul Jones occupied as a midshipman. We had our party at the boat basin under a picnic cover between the TAD barracks and the brig. We were wearing white t-shirts and UDT shorts with our SAR emblems newly sewn on the right thigh. The menu consisted of the standard burgers and dogs, and several kegs of beer. We also had a boom box. We proceeded to touch all the Navy party quals; got roaring drunk, had a giant food fight followed by even bigger brawl in the mud. We knocked over the porta potty with one of our guys in it. And we took obscene pictures of our genitals to mail to the Base Commander At about 3 pm we were well into conducting catapult launches of our instructors where we hoisted them prone above our heads and ran down the finger pier and fired them into the water. a couple of judges were measuring distance and hang time. Two civilian base police showed up in the middle of us positioning PO1 Bailey for launch. We were beer soaked, covered in mud, mustard, ketchup and even blood and we have a Navy E-6 stiff as a board with arms out stretched like a F-14 above our heads as readied him for launch(stripping him of watch, wallet and car keys.) These two civi-cops wanted us to break up the party and go home. Our Chief told the civilian cops that this was a SAR school graduation party and that he and his Petty Officers were leaving. If they wanted to break up the party they were free to try it themselves. The two civi-cops asked us to quiet it down,..very politely and left. It wasn't as much fun without anyone to throw off the pier so we decided to all don our wet gear, drive out to the I-295 bridge and jump off it into the St Johns river as our last hurrah. The civilians going over the bridge that day were treated to the sight of 25 guys in black wetsuits doubletiming it up the bridge singing a filthy cadence where we all lined up and jumped at once. It was at least 60 feet to the water and I dimly recall the impact feeling like I had landed on concrete. We then swam to the shore, legged it back to our cars and RTB like lunatics. That was Friday and we went on a bender until the wee hours of Sunday. On Monday, we limped into the classroom hungover, bruised and battered in our Whites to hear the kiss off speech from the school CO and get our travel orders to the Replacement Air Groups we were assigned to. The CO gave his speech and then said; "By the way, I got a call Friday from the Base Commander asking if we had conducted any training exercises off base on Friday. Apparently people we calling the police saying that frogmen were jumping off the I-295 bridge and they wanted to know what was going on. You men don't know anything about that, do you?...No? ....Good, because I told the Captain that we were stood down didn't conduct any training on Friday. Good luck to you all." Nobody said a word or moved until he left. Man, we were frozen in our seats. We got our orders and thru the haze of time and that hangover I can only recall the last thing the Chief said to us. It was; "Now get out you stupid motherfuckers!" And he was laughing.

Tango9
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 @SEAN SPOONTS and by the way I loved that story

SEAN SPOONTS
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 @Tango9

 Return key...Lima Charlie.

Tango9
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 @SEAN SPOONTS goddammit sean.  I love your input, and great story, but mfer it's a RETURN key.  It's the big one on the right side!  For the love of GOD man!

Old PH2
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 @SEAN SPOONTS I can smell the stale beer, great story!  What a "Pub Crawl!"

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Wayno165
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Thanks Matt.... glad you liked it.  The iron man suit might win out for me...  built in weapons are nice... plus you could fly...

SleazyWeazel
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Thank you Wayne for your service and your words of wisdom to any FNG who thinks they have it all figured out.......and is sadly mistaken.  Also, thank you Brandon for the new segment.  This is already turning out to be a definitive winner.

Wayno165
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Thanks for the response...  I'm glad you enjoyed the article.

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 @Wayno165

 Hey Wayne, I enjoyed your story. It really hit a soft spot with me because of your arrival to Team 4 after OJC. I had the Damn Greatest opportunity to meet one of the young men that didn't make it at the airfield. After all of these years, I would like to talk to anyone that knew him. I know you wouldn't have because of the timeframe. You would have had to been right behind him at BUD/S. I have more but will wait for your response.

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Wayno165
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When in Rome.... :)

Breach
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Do you guys only want stories from ninjas or will y'all settle for some stories from us non sof folks?

BrandonWebb
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 @Breach We'll take em as long as they're Military related.

Wayno165
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Thanks so much to everyone for the outstanding feedback thus far on this article.  We really appreciate your thoughtful and insightful take on the story.  By sharing the experience and knowledge I gained in the Teams, I feel like I can continue to be a part of the solution and help the guys that are still in the fight.  Hopefully this knowledge can be applied to anyone regardless of their path.  Additionally, as Brandon mentioned in the intro, please submit your stories to the Comms Check Portal.  

StormR
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 @Wayno165 The advice you (and Brandon through his book taking about excellence) is just flat-out valuable to all segments of the population.  It has changed my outlook, and I used #1 with my 9 year old grandson yesterday.  He's a kid that knows adversity - 4 operations so far and 5 yet to go.  His parents lovingly protect him and I did as well, until yesterday.  He was working on something that he couldn't get right and was frustrated.  Mom told him to let it go and do something else.  Your #1 popped into my head and I said 'let's try again'.  I sat down with him and we worked it through (I was hands off the project).  He found his weakness and pushed past it.  The end result wasn't great or pretty, but he's committed to keep working it to get it where he wants - and he learned he could do it.  He's going to need that kind of confidence and willingness to work hard in the future.  That would NOT have happened had I not had these brief glimpses of the SOF lessons.  So, from both of us, thank you.

Wayno165
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 @StormR I am honored that you would apply this to your grandson, and am equally thankful to you sharing that with us here.  Your grandson will gain confidence with his successes (no matter how pretty), and equally important, he will gain experience from his failures.  The goal is to learn from the failures and to make the adjustments required to ensure they do not repeat themselves, but we can neither succeed nor fail without first trying.   

Ben K
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Surprisingly, good advice tends to be similar whether you're in the Teams, the regular Armed Forces, or in the private sector.  But seriously, I think that even good advice tends to be forgotten if you're not reminded of it from time to time, so it's definitely worth repeating, as many times as you guys care to do so.

Wayno165
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 @Ben K Thanks Ben...  Appreciate the feedback.

RyanMichael
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Very inspiring to hear such humility & noble advice coming from, without question, the hardest working/fearless men on the planet. "The Tip Of The Spear." The 3 rules are all-encompassing & speak volumes of encouragement to me in what I experience on a daily basis being a college student. Wether it be staying commited to a job that may be less than satisfying or being steadfast through to the completion of work/tasks that are not so intriguing yet still necessary. I have the utmost respect & admiration for the SEALs & look forward to hearing more! "The only easy day was yesterday ... " ... 25 years later & conquering ...

Wayno165
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 @RyanMichael Great post...  Thanks for the feedback. I like how you applied the article to your personal experiences.

TobinFrost
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This will most likely be my favorite segment from this site, besides SOFREP TV. Love the SEALs hope we can get some content on the new season of SOFREP TV regarding Army SF. You all have created a fascinating and coherent look into the world of Foreign Diplomacy as well as the Special Operations community throughout the world. I cheers to you special men that have done it and for myself when I head downrange soon.

Wayno165
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 @TobinFrost Glad you liked the article.  Thank you

Breach
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Good stuff Wayne!

Wayno165
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 @Breach Thank you for the feedback

EliasFreire
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Great stuff Wayne, thanks for sharing your experience in the Teams, looking forward to the next one.

Wayno165
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 @EliasFreire Glad you liked it... Thanks for the feedback.

JustinWilliamSnider
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Good stuff Wayne - I'm sure you have more awesome stories to share...so let's hear it!!! 

Wayno165
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 @JustinWilliamSnider Thanks Justin... More to come!

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Wayno165
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 @Matt2 Thanks Matt.  Glad you liked it.

AndrewMartzall
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Just read this weeks blog "NSTIW- Navy SEAL FNG." Really excited to see the future posts.  I think the best part of this BLOG is you get a chance to see points of views and expierence through the eyes of elite, and yet you can take the advice and apply it to your every day life. This part really stands out ....."This rule applies to everything from room clearances to tactical planning and  preparation for a real world op to cleaning the shitters and everything in  between." If everyone took just the " Three Rules" and applied it to their everyday life could you imagine the world we would live in. Awesome Blog, proud to have the oppurtunity to read these articles as i know it just the tip of the iceberg. Thanks for all those who have been the FNG,  are currently the FNG, or will be the FNG, truly just the building block for the leaders of tomorrow.

Wayno165
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 @AndrewMartzall Thank you for your insightful response.  Much appreciated.  

Old PH2
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Since we have you guys here, how do you like Gary Williams' Books Heart of a Lion and SEAL of Honor?

Wayno165
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 @Old PH2 I have not read the book, but look forward to doing so.  Let us know what you think.

Tango9
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 @Wayno165  @Old PH2 !!!! see my reply, above.

Wayno165
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See my response above.

StormR
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 @Old PH2 I've been trying to read SEAL of Honor for months and still am only 1/2 through.  It's been a struggle keeping my attention on it...not sure why.  I actually feel very guilty that I haven't been able to finish it.  Some books I just can't put down and some I struggle to keep picking up.  Probably not the answer you're looking for, but it's all I've got :)

RichDD
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@StormR @Old PH2 Storm, you start to read. It could have been you. End up thinking about missions you were involved in = distracted? Just a guess...

Old PH2
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 @StormR  @Recon6  @Wayno165 Sometimes that round about journey teaches us something important.  I'll never drop the hammer on somebody just for wandering a little.  This is a conversation, things we say spark old memories and key into experiences that may be pertinent.  You are more than welcome to bring up just about anything.  Remember we that have served swore an oath to protect the US constitution.  The most patriotic thing we can do is let good people talk.

StormR
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 @Recon6  @Wayno165 Yikes, you're right.  I apologize, Wayne.  I never have been good at going in a straight line.

Recon6
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 @StormR  @Wayno165   I know we have digressed from the topic, and 'The Moderator' will soon send verbal jabs at us, but that is a great story, lol.  In my opinion, it was Awesome that you went on a search for your 'inner' self and the external challenges encountered.  I actually don't know anyone that has done that! sans military, where everything is an Adventure.   R6

StormR
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 @Recon6  @Wayno165 The worse part of it came at the end of the rope course day, when we were sitting around a fire and the instructors were giving us a motivational speech about challenges and how we should be striving to find them.  They asked each of us to speak on it.  I was tired, sore, annoyed at myself for being so bad at everything, I should have passed...but I didn't.  I told them that in my experience, I didn't have to look for challenges..they marched right up to my door and kicked it in, and that a challenge meant something was fucked up and needed to be fixed up.  It was NOT the appropriate response.  You would have thought I announced I had cooties and they were breeding - nobody wanted to be near me for the next 2 days.

StormR
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 @Recon6  @Wayno165 All I can say is thank gawdddd for ziplines and rappelling - and yes, you can do one of those almost upside down.  For the entire week, I was the poster child for "don't do it this way".

Recon6
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 @StormR  @Wayno165  Storm, LOL, you definitely got me there!!

Lady, there is No Way you went thru all of that and Anyone could call you a Candy Ass !  I was just implying that SOFREP can get rather 'crusty' at times.  The depth of experience on this site is Astounding, and even includes some 'older guys' like myself and PH2.  By the way, no way in Hell I would call Wayne a candy ass, lol.

StormR
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 @Recon6  @Wayno165 Hey now, I've been a candy ass a time or two.  As a matter of fact, I explored the depths of my candyassedness when at age 54 (fat & out of shape) I did a week long "Wilderness Course", which involved rock climbing, hiking way up high on Mt  Adams and something call a rope course - up in the trees.  And what did I take away from it you ask (no you didn't, but I'm going to tell you anyway):  that going down is always easier than going up, that the harness things really do work when you fall off the rope course (twice), that one can overcome life's most embarrassing moments, and that I truly lack the sense that God gave a goose. I wear my candy ass badge with pride.

Recon6
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 @StormR  @Wayno165  Hey, not my post, however, T9 is totally a stand up guy!  Been here from the get go of Kit Up.  "Everyone" at SOFREP sees 'Incoming'!!  No candy asses on here, we are All targets at one time or another.  Storm, you seem to be fitting right in with every other dysfunctional member of this Unit, glad to have you!  And Hey, raising 3 boys means you are a true Patriot!  Also, I know T9 doesn't need/require my assistance, but he really is a good bro...    R6    (Remember:  Check your 6!)

StormR
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 @Wayno165 Hand to heart, I'm so terribly sorry for your losses.    And as for Tango9, I truly believe he was just razzing you - a bit like poking a stick at a rattlesnake for sure -  but nonetheless, just joshing.   I have learned from this site NOT to say "Thank you for your service", so I'll just say, if you ever get to the West Coast, I'd be happy to buy you dinner and a cold brew.  I would offer to cook dinner, but frankly, I'm not that great a cook.  I raised 3 boys to men and it was all about quantity over quality.

Wayno165
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First off, thank you for your consideration of my feelings towards the reading of the Lone Survivor, but in fact, I have read the book.  The book I referred to as not having read was the SEAL of Honor book.  I read Lone Survivor for several reasons, most of which I will not mention here, but the main reason was because I lost several very good friends that day.  Having served over 17 years of my 25 year career on the East Coast, I knew every single man who stepped on the QRF helo.  Several were very close personal friends of mine.  On the day of this tragedy, I was Platoon Chief, and was training my SEAL platoon in preparation for our upcoming deployment to the combat zone.  For what its worth, and with all due respect to Tango, I lived the life for 25 years, and whether I choose to read or not read a SEAL related book is my choice.  I read Brandon's book because he is a friend.  I read Chris' book for the same reason, and already mentioned the main reason I read Marcus' book. 

StormR
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 @Tango9  @Matt2 Okay, Tango9, you don't have to ban me (for this at least) - I finished reading Lone Survivor at some ungodly time of this morning, and then couldn't sleep for a long time afterwards.  Powerful, raw, horrifying, heart-breaking, uplifting - there aren't words created yet that can describe this book and how personal it is.  My gut reaction was anger and pride.  They were all strangers to me, and they are not anymore.   I'm a Mama and I got so caught up in it, I wanted to rush to Holly's side. 

 

Lesson learned:  I don't have it, so I will never understand the deep-down core of what it is that makes a man so unique he could be a SEAL, or a Ranger, or any of the alphabet letters of elite warriors.  Although the training hones it, sharpens it, focuses it, an individual man either has it or doesn't.  I won't ever think of SEALs in plural again.  And it's a good thing I'm so old and moldy because if I was young woman, I'd probably make a fool out of myself trying to get one for myself - even with all the warts and wrinkles that come with them.  Don't get me started on how I think today's screwed up society has tried to emasculate men. And I swear, I don't think I belong here - I haven't earned - can't earn - the right to listen, learn and talk with any of you warriors.  But I want to be here.  And as for Wayne reading the book, if I were his friend or family, I don't think I would want him to read it.  Even as a total stranger, I don't want him to read it. There's nothing he can learn because he already is all that it talks about.  It could only give him a burning anger and a deep-seated pain that I can't even imagine...these are his brothers.   But perhaps that's just the Mama in me.  I guess I came away with one more lesson learned - as an American citizen it's my duty, responsibility, calling  to support and defend the warriors  the best I can - as they do me.

StormR
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 @Old PH2  @Matt2 Thank you - and I shared the information.  And yes, very agreed about the importance of looking back to be able to look forward.

Old PH2
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 @Matt2  @StormR  I know that the Small wars Journal has a Library with reference links and a reading list.  If you go over to the CNAS site and type in reading list at the search bar you will see several that have great books that will help you.  As much as I appreciate, ( I find that word lacks the true depth of my meaning,) the memoirs that guys write; I find the background information is more informative to me.  I remember re-reading T.E. Lawrence at the beginning of the First Gulf War.  Sometimes we need to look at what has happened to figure out where we are going.   

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 @Tango9  @Matt2 LOL..I have a good excuse.  I work in administration for a library system and I've been just going through our catalog, placing holds on books and reading them.  Lone Survivor had 354 holds on it, so it took a while to get to me.  Brandon's book had over 200 holds so that's why it came to me so late as well.  One of the first things I discovered from here, though, was how many gaps in the collection there are!  And I have already spoken to a Selector (Collection Librarian) about it.  We're a military community and I don't think we're meeting their interests.  The Selector is filling in some of the gaps and buying more copies of  'high demand' books.   The library was already working on a "Military Resources" page on our website (and consulted with JBLM on content) that went live about a month ago.  We've been told by our contact at JBLM that  the library system has been recommended to receive a coin at a ceremony due to the website and a few other things we partnered with them on (and I have to admit we don't understand about the coin).   I'm now buying books (there went my monthly beer & burgers budget LOL).  So, don't ban me yet, please....I'll be quiet and get on with my reading :)

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 @StormR  @Matt2 You haven't read Lone Survivor yet?  Holy Fucking Shit!  If you post here again, having not read that book, I will personally ban you.  j/k.  I think.  I haven't decided yet.

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 @Matt2 I'm beginning to believe that I needed to read Lone Survivor first in order to really grasp SEAL of Honor.  I'm also beginning to realize that my perspective on all the books (and many things) has changed since coming here - it's 'real' to me now and I'm much more understanding the jargon and places  and history and context and virtually meeting real people...sorry, not saying it well.

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 @Matt2 Thanks, Matt.  I've read The Red Circle and Fearless is on it's way to my house :)  You know that I was feeling disconnected from being a country at war and realized I was going to have to make that connection for myself, and so started reading, watching documentaries, asking questions.  After reading a few books, it was "The Only Thing Worth Dying For" that  really broke things open for me.  For the 1st time, I began to see and have a shallow understanding of the complexities, politics, historical context of these countries as it related to the US.  "American Sniper" is the book that led eventually led me to this site.    It's been eye-opening and humbling - and way beyond my initial quest.  I really  hope that eventually the site does a book review section, because truthfully, having no knowledge or military knowledge, I have to wonder now how much of what I have read is inaccurate or crap and how many good things I've missed that I should have been reading.

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 @RichDD  @StormR  @Old Rich DD, I'm an older woman (dang, just cannot bring myself to say old) and never served a moment in the military.  However, I'm a serious reader and done a bit of writing.  IMO, there are two major elements of any book - a story to tell and telling that story well.  The story of SEAL of Honor absolutely grabbed me, but the storytelling not so much.  Sorry, I can't explain it clearer than that.  Kind of like favoring chocolate over vanilla.

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