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Home » Op-Ed » Navy SEAL Lessons Learned From Aurora Colorado

Navy SEAL Lessons Learned From Aurora Colorado

by Brandon Webb · July 24, 2012 · Posted In: Op-Ed
Navy SEAL Lessons Learned From Aurora Colorado
As I continue to read about the terrible tragedy in Aurora, Colorado, I can’t help but think there’s some lessons from my time as a Navy SEAL that I can pass on to the average citizen. I want to make sure that the victims of the Aurora do not suffer or die in vain. As a country, we need to learn from this tragedy, raise awareness, and save lives in the future. So here goes…

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Don’t Make Yourself an Easy Target

When at sporting events, concerts, and the movies, choose seats that give you a tactical advantage always.  What do I mean? Choose seats that allow good and east vantage points and a hasty exit point.  Always stack the odds in your favor. It’s the reason I still combat park (back in to a space) and sit with my back to the wall when I’m eating.

Active Shooter Scenario Advice

Take cover and not concealment.  Concealment hides, cover hides AND protects.  It’s the difference between hiding behind a movie seat or a concrete wall.

Don’t lie there with your eyes closed and get shot. Think and move.  In these situations you have to take charge and get in the mindset of self-rescue. You cannot wait for first-responders – it takes too long. A good decision executed quickly is better than a great one never executed. Violence of action, as we call it in the Spec Ops community, will often change the odds in your favor.

For close quarter combat drills we’d draw a gun with someone over 20 feet away running at us.  In most cases you can be on someone before they can draw and take a shot.  I’m not advocating running straight at someone but if you have the tactical advantage (jam, re-loading, distraction or the shooter isn’t paying attention) then take the shooter down or get the hell out of there.  Remember that a moving target is extremely hard to hit, even for the well-trained shooter. Deal with the situation with your eyes wide open.

In Aurora, the shooter was severely weighted down with armor and his helmet would have also limited his vision. You can use all this to your advantage.

Flashlight anyone? I have one for daily carry and take it everywhere with me.  It’s become another extension of me and has diffused at least two potentially violent confrontations in a non-lethal way. I recommend the Surefire P2X Fury Dual Output LED.

How to use it in this situation?

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I would have pulled my high lumens pocket flashlight and blinded this guy. The high powered beam would have taken away his vision for 3-4 seconds, which is an eternity and enough time to flight or fight. There’s also no shame in surviving and getting you and your loved ones out of harm – especially little ones. Be a Hero to your kids and family for surviving, nobody can expect more of you than that. Like we say in Survival Escape Evasion Resistance (SERE) school, “Survive with Honor.”



Concealed Carry

If you’re lucky enough to live in a state like Texas that not only allows concealed carry, but supports the use of deadly force, then train to use it.

Think seriously about whether it’s worth a Carry Concealed Weapon (CCW) permit  in states where you’re likely to get screwed by a jury if you use it.  Example: I can get a CCW in CA but I’m likely screwed if I shoot somebody.  The mostly liberal (I’m a registered independent for the record) jury will be sure to have my ass and it’s why I own a dog that’s trained to bite and protect (another good option). Nothing makes me happier then visualizing PETA pitted against other wild-eyed liberals.

Bottom line is that if you own a gun and have it as daily carry, you’d better rehearse your use scenarios both physically and mentally, and the same with the gun in the home. Mental practice is extremely valuable after you’ve mastered the basics.  FYI, shooting paper at the local range will not prepare you for a defensive shooting situation. Rehearsing defensive scenarios is the only thing that will prepare you.

For most of you, the best bet is to buy a good tactical flashlight, there are plenty on the market.  Specs: At least 200+ lumens, waterproof, LED, and a 3volt lithium battery.  Use and carry your light with you at all times. It’s the best non-lethal and practical option available, in my opinion.  You can take it anywhere – including on an airplane – and if it’s a high lumen model it will blind people in broad daylight. I can’t recommend this purchase enough.

Learn From an Expert

There are plenty of former Military and Law Enforcement that have great self-defense skills. Just vet your instructor carefully, ask for references and proof of service. While there are many solid instructors out there, there are also a plethora of wannabe Rex-Kwon-Do types who are self-proclaimed experts and worse – lie about their service.

Alter Your Lifestyle, and it May Save Your Life

Avoid opening night and large crowds (e.g. go to Disney World during off-peak) that make easy targets.  FYI, most domestic and foreign terrorists want the biggest bang for their buck. They want Yankee stadium sold out and not Padre stadium at 60% capacity.  It sucks to live this way sometimes but ask the survivors from Colorado if it’s worth a minor lifestyle change. I say it is, and it’s the main reason I’m watching the Olympics on TV and not attending this year. London is too much of a risk for a variety of reasons that I will not go into on this post.

Don’t Be a Victim

Rehearse emergency scenarios before there’s an emergency, the time to practice is NOT when it’s happening.

The world is a dangerous place these days. Be prepared.

A great book on personal protection that I’d recommend is Escape The Wolf.

Escape the Wolf

Escape the Wolf

My condolences to the victims and their families in Aurora Colorado.

-Brandon

Brandon is a former Navy SEAL, and worked as a Special Operations Intelligence & Security specialist in Iraq during 2006-07. He is also author of the New York Times Best Seller, “The Red Circle”. Click these links to follow him on Twitter or to “like” him on Facebook.

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Awesome blog. I enjoyed reading your articles. This is truly a great read for me. I have bookmarked it and I am looking forward to reading new articles. Keep up the good work!

johndixon628
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I'm not sure if anyone referenced this video yet, but Run/Hide/Fight is a good basic strategy everyone needs to consider. It's far from a slick Hollywood production, but it contains some valuable information for the average citizen who will, likely, become the intended target. 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VcSwejU2D0&feature=share

 

 

StormR
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 @johndixon628 Thanks for referencing this video.  I work in a library system - 19 library buildings over 1,700 sq. miles, serving 550,000+ people (some very small and some quite large).  We recently distributed it to all staff with a mandatory 'please view and work out a plan for your building'.  We had some concerns with the video, but it was the best we'd seen for our situation.    I was really glad to hear your opinion of it!   I've also been showing off my PX2 Fury to co-workers and suggesting they consider getting one for themselves.  Some of our libraries are in pretty isolated areas.

ColonelProp
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Shoot - another... http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/05/another-mass-shooting-this-one-in-wisconsin/

majrod
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 @ColonelProp

 Yeah, saw that.  Horrible news.

 

What I find strange is that it's already being called domestic terrorism and the FBI has been called in.  Starkly different treatment than the Ft. Hood shoot.  Makes you go hmmmmm... 

ColonelProp
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@majrod Yep - just watch, this story will invert as well. The gag order is on in Aurora, the clamp is on in WI already. Gunner 777 will have to let us know what's going on in the rumblings in Aurora, anybody out there from WI? Gird your loins....the Reichstag fire nears.

majrod
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 @LauraWalkerKC  @SEAN SPOONTS  @ColonelProp

 Maybe Laura but considering the comments by Bloomberg and Pelosi it would be foolish to not be suspicious.  Have you been following Fast and Furious? 

 

There is also plenty of ways to look inside that house. 

LauraWalkerKC
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 @majrod  @SEAN SPOONTS  @ColonelProp the evac is due to the Aurora bomb rigged apt. - copycat caution.

JuliaHugoRachel1
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 @majrod The gag is on Aurora, as should be in my opinion. The hardware and assembly used resembeled some work of Islamic extremists. i.e.: Holmes rigged apartment. Where did he get the stuff, how did he devise it. If he met anyone that gave him that info., we need tp talk to them.

 

On fighting back, anyone hear about the teenage girl that fought back 2 assailants.I think US Marshals have the case to hunt the men. They raped her, she knew them from HS, then they were going to kill her. She kicked out a back window of a truck, they drug her back and beat her, then stopped to dump and kill. She got out the window, picked up 2 broken bottles, slashed one of the assailants pretty good, then ran barefooted 4-5 miles to get help. Her feet were like burger. She fought back and is alive.

 

SEAN SPOONTS
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 @Old PH2  @ColonelProp  @majrod

 It doesn't matter to white supremists.  Any non-whites are targets along with Catholics, Jews and lots of other religious groups even if you are white.  It's a shame.  Sikhs are great people and ideal immigrants to the US.  Their religious beliefs are very much in keeping with our founding principles regarding freedom of conscience, tolerance and hard work and the sanctity of human life.  And they are unquestionably brave.  They've been awarded more VCs than any other colonial troops in the British history.

majrod
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 @SEAN SPOONTS  @ColonelProp  Yep!

 

Another interesting tidbit is the FBI evacuated everyone for two blocks while they searched the killer's home.  That struck me as strange.

 

My 1st reaction was to agree this was domestic terror then on second thought I think there isn't enough to determine what it was yet from reports.  The purpose of terror is to instill fear.  There isn't enough out there to determine motive but no doubt there are people rubbing their hands with glee to benefit from this tragedy.

Old PH2
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 @SEAN SPOONTS  @ColonelProp  @majrod Just wondering, but how many want to guess if this guy knew the difference between Sikhs and Muslims?  Damn tragic.  Awesome response from LEO's I'm sure it could have been much worse.  First hand accounts of people hiding and dragging wounded to other areas, great response.  Looks like despite the chaos some kept a cool head.

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 @ColonelProp  @majrod

 I'm going to speculate that this guy is going to turn out to be a neo-nazi who are a bizarre mix of aggreived minority politics and social leftism.  But first we will have to wade thru the Media blaming Rush Limabaugh, blah blah blah, Sean Hannity blah blah blah, the NRA, blah blah blah, the Tea Party, blah, blah blah, gun laws blah,blah blah.

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@BrandonTWebb thanks to you I just got two tac lights. A 600 lumen Streamlight Protac HL and a Fenix TK15. They are awesome Thanks!

NYCatNY
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@BrandonTWebb did we learn..?Today: Shooting at Wisconsin Sikh temple http://t.co/uKO95Phl

StormR
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My brand new PX2 Fury flashlight arrived in the mail today.  I bought one for my sister as well and we spent some time practicing how to operate them...meaning the appropriate clickity clicks, how to lock and unlock it.  We managed (barely) to NOT blind each other, but found that I was wincing just looking at the light.  My sister lives with me and we worked out a plan on what to do in emergency situations in our home and outside (when we weren't playing with the flashlights).  We thought of different ways we could use it besides shining the light, and practiced on pillows.  Thank you, Brandon.   I hope I'll never have to use it, but I'm ready if I need too.  

Old PH2
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 @StormR You are great, I mean that.  My 7 year old just asked me yesterday, If we where going to do a Fire drill anytime soon.  People need this kind of encouragement, to realize that you don't need to be a Martial artist, or an ex-SF serviceman, to stand up for yourself.  It's about personal responsibility.  Like Jean Paul Sartre said "Freedom is what you do with what's been done to you."  He also said "Commitment is an act not a word."

 

I'm not saying we need to be committed.  : P  But that we need commitment as part of our lifestyle. 

mwarren641
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Brandon, thank you for a great video and article, but first and foremost, thank you for attempting to make people more aware. Unfortunately in today’s society most people believe they only have to pick up the phone and dial 911 and they will be safe. Not taking into account what will you do until the first responders get there, ask people how long they believe it will take to get a police officer on scene during an emergency situation and normally they feel good about 5-10 minutes. Depending on the agency, time of day, calls for service, available manpower and on a good day that might be good. Normally people don’t think that sounds too bad, 5-10 minutes, then ask them to hold their breath that long. Kind of starts putting the urgency into perspective and how long even one minute becomes.   

As far as awareness, sometimes that is the hardest thing to get people to change. When you hear initial reports from people caught up in the incident you hear things like, I thought it was part of the opening ceremony for the movie, or I thought it was part of the movie. This happens when good people that typically do not think of themselves getting caught up in an incident such as this. We are good people and generally tend to look at the world through only our perspective. Which means what are our life experiences, how and where were we raised, have I been a victim of some type of street crime or senseless crime in the past. All of these factors and more build our individual perspective of the world and while we cannot comprehend how someone could come into a theater and indiscriminately shoot innocent people because we would/could not do that it does not mean there are not other people in this world that are fully capable of committing these acts. When someone has no situational awareness and refuses to acknowledge the fact that anything could happen at any time around them they will not have a planned response which unfortunately means they will default to their survival instincts. This means, fight, flight or freeze. Each one could work but relying on instinct instead of a trained planned response is not the best option.

What we recommend to people once they understand they need to improve their level of awareness when in public or in their home is a simple planned approach. We teach a “Three-out” approach. What this means is going systematically through this order to determine their best process to improve the likelihood of a good outcome. It does not mean that they wait until the situation starts it is a conscious process and evaluation of their environment which can only be accomplished through proper awareness. This works for home, schools, places of work, churches, malls, etc.

When someone enters a location the first questions they should ask themselves is if someone comes in shooting right now do I have the capability to “lock out” this area. To prevent access to the shooter to me and others, if not then I know my “lock out” approach is or could fail and I automatically default to the second option; “get out.” Where are my exits, secondary exits, etc? Do not always think doors, are there windows that I can break out and use as an exit? If I am on the fourth floor of an office building then this may not be an option. It may not be an actual exit but getting around a corner out of sight of the threat (which means out of line of fire of the bullets) at which point I can start the process over and see if there is a location that I can “lock out” the intruder and prevent access. If there is no “get out” option then I have to understand I am left with one option; “take out.” This is a last resort option and carries an extreme risk; however, doing nothing will not work either. Am I currently armed? What do I have in the environment to use as an improvised weapon? Shoes, keys, cell phones thrown at an opponent can make him instinctively move his head and/or body which alters his shooting platform. Be ready to direct others around you to do the same thing. Now it is not only one shoe, cell phone, keys but multiple which provides a better opportunity to close and disable the suspect, thins Flight 93. Once we go hands on everything is on the table. You cannot worry about hurting someone, if he’s on the floor he doesn’t get up, if he tries kick the back of the elbow to break the arm, kicks to the ribs, head, heel stomps to the hands. Don’t always think you have to knock the guy out think about breaking the system by what he presents.

If you fight back and find yourself with the gun DO NOT think for a minute you are done. When I ask the hypothetical question to students, “you have fought back and have the gun what will you do now?” they invariably say “shoot him.” That may be the right thing to do or not but will be a personal decision based on the circumstances at the moment. The bigger problem is how they will surrender to police when they arrive and they are standing over a bloodied victim, holding a weapon and pointing it at the victim. “Friendly fire isn’t!” they need to have a mental plan on how and when they will identify themselves and put the weapon down prior to someone else intervening and mistaking them as the shooter. We offer several options on how this can be accomplished but there is not room in this post.

Last in reference to the flashlight, I wholeheartedly agree! We have been training police and military in the use of a flashlight as a force multiplier for a very long time. The hardest part of any type of engagement is entering into the fight with the tools you have available. When you watch any fight before it starts the two combatants keep a distance and are trying to figure out how, when, where and from what angle to start the attack or counter the attack. A flashlight can act as a visual barrier, temporarily blinding your opponent allowing you to engage at an advantage. I am not looking for a fair fight, I never know who my opponent is or what his background is, so why have an even fight where he can see me and I can see him. Think about the same circumstance and you are facing a bigger, stronger opponent, wouldn’t you love to walk up and put a bag over his head before the fight ever starts and make him fight blind or at least partially blind. Of the five human senses the most important one in a fight is vision and if you can impact it to any degree isn’t that better than none at all?

BrandonWebb
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 @mwarren641 Thank you for the kind and thoughtful comments. -BW

jeffreycarr
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I take my Surefire E2D everywhere but had no idea that the company made a version with 500 lumens! Thanks, Brandon. I'm placing an order today. 

 

Regarding the content in your above article, you did an outstanding job in providing tactical insights from a terrible tragedy. Others who have attempted the same thing have come across heavy-handed, arrogant and insensitive, but not you. Great job.

dakotaland
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This discussion has changed from the original subject to the more broad based which has been informative and eye opening.  About 7 years ago, I was driving my elderly parents down from way up north and picked up a tail in western ND.  It was a beat up mid-90's Caravan with a couple of scruffy characters.  I was a well dressed middle aged woman with two well dressed elderly folks in a new Lincoln.  Mom was sporting her "rocks".  They followed us to Cheyenne, WY.  I tried to lose them or get them to pass but no dice.  I also did not want to alarm my parents (in their late 80's) but in the back of my mind, I knew Dad's new Lincoln was a far better weapon than their ol' Caravan and tried to position the vehicle to prevent them from taking any action as we drove.  That was my wake up call.  From that time, I got my CCW and carried on every trip with them.  My parents have now passed but I had made many forced drives when they were ill.

I always travel with my dog, a 50 lb Australian Cattle Dog, a Red Heeler.  He's not huge but these dogs are very one person dogs and very close to the primitive and amazingly fast, these dogs are 50% Dingo in their original breeding.  I won't be surprised having him with me.  I also take him into rest areas when they appear vacant or barely occupied in spite of the signs saying no dogs.  I'd rather face a fine than find a creep in the ladies rest room at 2 am, and I carry.  I will now also carry the light.  I have pepper spray for bears at the ranch but may bring along also.

Even though I may drive a nice vehicle these days, I dress like a bag lady when I travel, nothing very pricey and fairly unkept.  I want to look like the hired driver who brings the car to the person with a few bucks.  On the road, I don't want to be noticed.  I'd appreciate any and all comments for me and other women who travel cross country.

JuliaHugoRachel1
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 @dakotaland I like the red Heelers because they "Snap" quickly, usually going for the human face in a car or truck.That "snap" will buy you time in a pinch. I can't say enough about having a dog with me in the car at all times. A well trained dog or one who is territorial in the car and travels well, has been one of my greatest assets. I make sure they are good on boats, planes, trains and cars. I have one that is brilliant, but does not travel well.  I've had 5 surgeries in less than 2 years (I went the Mondo route) and the dogs have repeatedly helped me when I was just getting back on my feet. I travel cross country all the time, in all types of terrain. The dog is my first choice, often times 2 dogs. I dress like you. I am doudy when In travel, wear a hat and keep it low. The cars I drive are always well tuned, in racing condition and my front trunk is full of spare parts at all times. Even my mechanics are a little shocked at this. I carry car tools as well. I've made a "coil" out of a copper wire dry cleaner hanger on the side of a cliff near Yosemite that took me another 3000+ miles. Knowing your engine is important for road trips.  I like fast cars and I think it would behoove any woman to get on the racetrack and take driving lessons. Knowing how to handle your wheels is essential, backwards, forwards, etc. Safety #1. And THAT Light! Awesome Tool!

 

barjobs_com
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@leahwyar we agree ! and your welcome :)

StormR
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Just bought 2 flashlights (for my sister and self) and ordered them from the link in the article to show a little love to SOFREP.  It was a great price too!  Thanks, Brandon..I will feel safer having it close to hand. 

ZACHkaplanNJ
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@SEALofHonor Why should we live in such fear of gun nuts that I have to choose a tactical seat? Can't we not live in fear with gun control?

PatrickM
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For anyone who is not yet convinced that the Sure fire flashlight works,here are two true examples.I am a paramedic in a large city recently,we had a large male highly intoxicated, who also had smoked PCP.He became very combative in the back of the ambulance.I shined my E2D in his eyes and he immediately covered his eyes, which gave us the opportunity to knock him back on the stretcher and restrain him.

Just the other night I responded to a multiple shooting in a very bad neighborhood. The crowd would not move out of the way as we treated and removed the victims,I shined the flashlight in the eyes of anyone  who was in our way. And sure enough they covered their eyes and moved back.  I just kept pointing the light in the eyes of anyone who refused to move..IT REALLY  WORKS

And that was the E2D not the 500 lumen flashlight Brandon recommends. I plan on replacing my E2D now with the P2X. And when my wife complains. I will just say Hey, NAVY SEAL Brandon Webb said its the flashlight I need,who am I to  argue with him..

whampton
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Something scary happened to me a awhile back...I was gassing up my car ...BORED...and thinking about nothing ...I noticed a man drive in, back his car up facing out...ready to drive away. And then he sat there with his engine on.  To entertain myself,  I started noticing details about him, the license number, make of car, etc. 

 

A moment later, a young girl drove up to the gas pump, jumped out with cash in hand and dashed off to the cashier.  The man accelerated up to her car, jumped out , reached thru the open window and grabbed her handbag and burned rubber to get out of the gas station.  I threw open my car door but he steered around it. (probably wasn't the brightest thing for me to do)   I ran into the cashier and told him to call the police and had him write down the description and license number!

 

I will never know if they caught the guy or not, but isn't this a perfect example of what you are talking about.  I NEVER expected it to happen in front of me...or that I could help by using my head and my eyes.  It kinda woke me up to the responsibility I have to be prepared to take some action!  I've tried to be more watchful since then.

 

My Sisters and I have been talking about the theatre shooting.  What would we have done?  Our Parents taught us to take care of ourselves and each other and we think more of it stuck in our brains than we realized. 

 

The husbands gave us all guns last Christmas...maybe we should have been more appreciative of the gift.  Its time to take them out of the closet and head to the shooting range to learn how to use them properly and accurately.   But more importantly we will be talking about more-likely scenarios and actions here in California where we will probably be without our guns.    We also see the need to teach the kids to be aware of what is going on around them.  It could keep them from harm some day.

 

Thanks again for sharing.  Your posting will save some lives.

.

 

 

 

RVN SF VET
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 @whampton Having worked with a task force of troopers and city patrolmen *one time* I learned a few important things. First, they, just like you, noted things the average bear would not have noticed. When a car possibly loaded with the suspected robbers passed by, a backup call was made immediately. When a man entered a liquor store and pulled down on the right side of his field jacket as he crossed the threshold, we moved in closer and radioed the rest of our team. I asked why. The patrolman said he could have been ensuring his gun was covered-up.

 

So you already have the sensitivity to your surroundings that many of us lack. With hindsight, the time for the 911 call was when the subject combat parked and kept his engine running. That assumes that this was unrelated to waiting for his wife, etc. Of course, the "wife" could be his accomplice. Most of us are afraid to call "Wolf, wolf." Yet, look what happens when we do not call. The 911 operator will prioritize the calls that come in. Anything crime against persons in progress will get priority. But, if its quiet, a patrol car probably will receive the assignment to swing by. "If you see something, say something."

 

You did well. I'm sure that car was found.

whampton
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 @RVN SF VET Thanks for the encouraging words.  I've felt a little foolish that I didn't do more.

whampton
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 @johndixon628 Gosh thanks! I hadn't thought about what the guy was going to do next.  You are probably right. . . he was very close to a freeway on-ramp so he could jump on for a couple of exits and drop off at the next off-ramp's gas station and do it all over again!

whampton
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 @JuliaHugoRachel1 Oh Jeez!  A gang initiation! I've never heard of such a thing, but I'll bet it goes on here in the Los Angeles area.  What is wrong with  the brains of people who would do that just to join a "club".  For crud's sake!  I'm paying more attention to my intuition from now on!  So glad you were safe.

johndixon628
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 @whampton

 I can't speak for all LEO's out there but ,as for me, I appreciate the concern that you ACTED on. One of the hardest things I have to deal with is the on-scene experts who were there when the crime occurred, did nothing, and then criticize everything that gets done.

Just like others mentoned, a 911 call comes in that is "out there". But then another comes in, and another, all connected to the first call....the troops are on the way. That first 911 call got all that started and will be key in whether the situation can get neutralized.... or gets much worse before it gets better.

Good job!

JuliaHugoRachel1
JuliaHugoRachel1 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @whampton Dude, you seriously did GREAT. I was gassing up at a small one man gas station in Watsonville one time and as I was getting into the ranch suburban the gas station attendant keeps nodding at me, then over to another car. I was like, what? Turns out, there was a gang initiation thing happening back then where gang members would slip into the back seat unnoticed while GIRLS were gassing up, then shoot them in the back of the head. I decided- instead of heading into the car, I headed to the restroom and when I came out there were a few patrol cars there. Nobody had gotten into the Suburban, but it had happened earlier and after me. If that guy hadn't nodded my way, I might not be here. Who knows. He called the cops too. I think if your intuition sparks, listen and no regrets.

 

BrandonWebb
BrandonWebb moderator 5pts

 @whampton Thank you for your comments. -BW

GraemeMcKay
GraemeMcKay 5pts

Brandon - I just came across the page, after seeing it on tumblr ; you mentioned the Olympics "and it’s the main reason I’m watching the Olympics on TV and not attending this year. London is too much of a risk for a variety of reasons that I will not go into on this post." ... would you be able to expand on what those reasons are?

LindaCarroll
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Brandon, I can't thank you enough for these lifesaving tips. Believe it or not, my father is a policeman, my son is in the military, and my brother is a vet and lives right around the corner, but I've never thought of any of the things you pointed out here. I have a gun and never shoot and have never executed an emergency training session. The best I've done is carry police quality mace when I jog. Pretty sad... Thank you for a great article and for your service.

nailbomb3
nailbomb3 5pts

 @BrandonWebb  Brandon, do you find the switching on the regular Fury to be a liability potentially? What I mean by that is this: from the reviews I've seen it defaults to the 15 lumen setting (single click or single press for momentary) so you have to double click it to get the full 500 lumes of output.

 

Surefire actually makes a P2X Fury tactical that's single output, ie 500 lumes. Seems like that would be easier to do under critical stress.

 

 

BrandonWebb
BrandonWebb moderator 5pts

 @nailbomb3 I recommend the P2X and agree that the original is a liability with the dual setting.

bbbracken
bbbracken 5pts

 @BrandonWebb This is a big light.  How do you carry it comfortably?

nailbomb3
nailbomb3 5pts

 @BrandonWebb okay I figured you'd concur. However the one you have linked above IS the dual output model.

 

Here's the Fury "Tactical":

 

http://www.surefire.com/p2x-fury-tactical.html

 

Single press gets you right to 500 lumens.

 

 

nailbomb3
nailbomb3 5pts

 @SEAN SPOONTS  @nailbomb3  @BrandonWebb HAH! Neuralyzer eh?

 

Do me a favor dude, hit a white wall inside your house and see what it does to YOU. 

SEAN SPOONTS
SEAN SPOONTS 5pts

@nailbomb3 @BrandonWebb Go with the 500 lumens. I had the guy shine the 200 in my eyes and then the 500. I could stand the 200 for several seconds but the 500 us like getting hit with a Neuralyzer from Men in Black.

nailbomb3
nailbomb3 5pts

 @SEAN SPOONTS  @nailbomb3  @BrandonWebb Righteous! I will probably get one as well, or retrofit a couple of my old 6P's with the 200 lumen head from TNVC. 

SEAN SPOONTS
SEAN SPOONTS 5pts

@nailbomb3 @BrandonWebb I just picked up a 500 lumens Fury today. You can click or press. It doesn't take but 1/10th of a second to do the double press. It's brighter than the F'ing Sun.

JuliaHugoRachel1
JuliaHugoRachel1 5pts

 @nailbomb3 Thats a bad look. I call it "ringing the dinner bell". On my son, when he mentioned that idea, I immediately took all meds and put them under lock and key. Until he matures, better safe than sorry. We live rural and there have always been threats, always.  These are the times I miss his father. He would roll over in his grave if he heard him say something "macho" like that. One thing, I am wondering if those lights work on animals. With their tapidus lucerdum (sp?) I am wondering if they could avoid the painful exposure. These lights may come in handy for ranchers as well. I am going to ask Surefire on Monday when they open. We have "mammals" that charge us as well as humans.

 

nailbomb3
nailbomb3 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @JuliaHugoRachel1 Ahhhh kids ;)

 

Yes, I agree the lights would be great gifts for everyone. I've been using them for almost 13 years now. My original 6P still works.

 

I would also concur is that, 99 percent of the time your best option is to haul ass and obviously lethal force is only to be employed in situations where lethal force is being employed AGAINST you. I'm lucky to live in a very pro carry/pro self defense area.

 

Brandon touched on one point that I think is VERY important namely situational awareness. Criminals look for easy targets. So if you are walking along with your head buried in your iPhone you are just painting a big fat target on yourself.

 

I think it was Clint Smith that said, and I'm paraphrasing here but "If you look like lunch, someone is going to eat you".

 

Cheers

 

 

JuliaHugoRachel1
JuliaHugoRachel1 5pts

 @nailbomb3 THNX for that Link. I am calling Monday to see if we can get a Mil discount. I am getting one for me and my son and asking him to read this blog (he will listen better to you all!). I've just begun the ethical "talk" with him about using non lethal forces at all times. Although we have access to guns, they are a LAST resort. I keep horse meds in my cars/trucks at all time for injured horses in rural areas. My son always asks why we don't just punch one of those pre-syringes into a would be attacker. I've had to drill it into his testosterone head that a) we don't know what the consequence of the drug would be; it could ramp them up or kill them and b) the idea is to buy time and get away safely. I think sometimes young minds think shooting is the only option. I have a problem with knives, I can not use them. I can use a scalpel, so keep one handy. I think the more tools you have that you are able to effectively use (know your limits) the better. This light would make excellent gifts for everyone.

 

manicnsad1
manicnsad1 5pts

@SEALofHonor thanks for the info on safety

SEALofHonor
SEALofHonor 5pts

@manicnsad1 The thanks belongs to @BrandonTWebb

manicnsad1
manicnsad1 5pts

@SEALofHonor @brandontwebb Brandon Webb thanks for all the Safety info! I'm definitely getting a flashlight!

BrandonTWebb
BrandonTWebb 5pts

@manicnsad1 @sealofhonor you bet!

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