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Home » Op-Ed » A Green Beret’s Response to the Aurora Shooting

A Green Beret’s Response to the Aurora Shooting

by Blake Miles · July 27, 2012 · Posted In: Op-Ed
Aurora
My initial response to the theater shooting in Aurora was a simple desire to understand more and learn the facts surrounding it. Who, what, when, where, and why? After reading through whatever news reports I could find, my tactical mind began considering the situation and the environment. I was going through the process of what’s known as “mental rehearsals”.

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Essentially, mental rehearsals are exactly what they sound like: rehearsing potential actions to be taken ‘in the event of’. What would I have done were I faced with the same dire situation of a heavily armed active shooter firing indiscriminately into crowds of people in a dark, smokey theater?

Using these same mental rehearsals in conjunction with a knowledge in firearms, tactics, and the ability to turn on an aggressive attitude, it is possible to mentally rehearse the outcomes of any number of scenarios. With that in mind, the purpose of this article is to ask the question: If members of the audience were armed, could the outcome of this event have been altered? If so, how and to what degree?

Considering the eyewitness accounts and reports released throughout the week, a few environmental and situational considerations stand out in my mind:

  • Large darkened theater; reflected light from smoke and the screen; directed light from projector
  • Loud surround sound audio playing from the movie throughout the incident
  • Smoke canisters thrown (type unknown); good airflow and rapid movement in theater would spread smoke rapidly; smoke causes irritation in lungs
  • Densely packed theater; approximately 300 people in ~5500 square feet
  • According to cinema website, every seat in the auditorium is placed higher than the seats immediately in front of them. Each row is roomier and provides excellent sight lines (to the screen).

The shooter must also be taken into consideration. Knowing the likely course of action of your enemy is extremely important when conducting any mental rehearsals. Some important considerations in regard to the shooter:

  • 24 year old; reportedly 6’3” tall and athletic, slender build; likely around 200 lbs
  • Armed with 12 gauge shotgun, AR15 assault rifle with 100rd drum, .40cal handgun
  • Wearing load bearing vest, likely with extra shells, handgun magazines, and additional 100rd AR15 drum
  • Wearing  armored helmet, throat, groin, leggings, chest, and gas mask
  • Fired shotgun in the air first, began firing indiscriminately into crowd

Situation Report

From the moment the first grenade was thrown at around 12:38 until the moment the first round was fired from the shotgun into the crowd, until the time the shooter was apprehended outside the building at 12:45, approximately seven minutes passed. Little information is given on the amount of time that elapsed before the shooting stopped. Based on the amount of rounds fired, I would estimate the shooting lasted approximately 90 seconds.

I would speculate the shooter was inexperienced with the firearms based on few reports coming in regarding the shooter spending time at ranges. Given his level of intelligence, preparation of both his apartment and his vehicle parked directly behind the theater exit, it is highly likely that the shooter conducted extensive dry rehearsals in preparation for this specific event.

Read the rest of Blake’s response at Resist44.

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johndixon628
johndixon628 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I'm not sure if anyone referenced this video yet, but Run/Hide/Fight is a good basic strategy everyone needs to consider. It's far from a slick Hollywood production, but it contains some valuable information for the average citizen who will, likely, become the intended target. 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VcSwejU2D0&feature=share

 

 

HugeFan
HugeFan moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @johndixon628 Solid post and you're right about the production quality and even more so regarding the efficacy of the video. Thanks for that.

RVN SF VET
RVN SF VET 5pts

Police Commo Traffic (unedited):

< http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=DkUi6q5kgbU&NR=1 >

 

Fire Department Commo Traffic (unedited):

< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZRNEHSZkYc&feature=related >

ArcticWarrior
ArcticWarrior 5pts

 @RVN SF VET

 Dispatch did great. At 00:49 reports still shooting, 1st 2 units are at theatre at about 1 minute? Seems that at 3:34ish he is already outside. Is there a substation across the street?

RVN SF VET
RVN SF VET 5pts

 @ArcticWarrior Yes! Just read that.

ArcticWarrior
ArcticWarrior 5pts

Here is the audio of dispatch

 

http://www.onenewspage.us/video/20120721/996854/Aurora-911-tapes-and-timeline.htm

 

SEAN SPOONTS
SEAN SPOONTS 5pts

Here is an image of the inside of the theater chain's stadium seating arrangement. Can't say if its the Cinema 16 in Aurora but these places tend to be made on a standard construction buildout. So it's probably pretty close. The exit used by the shooter is in the upper right hand corner. It looks like about 3 feet distance between seat backs. I estimate the distance to be about 40 feet from the back row to the front. This includes an estimated 6 foot wide walkway between the front 5 rows and the stepped seating behind them. The distance would be longer on the diagnal by about 12% assuming a rectangular shape, So from the left rear of the theater to the right front of the screen would be about 45 feet. http://www.cinemark.com/Private-Events-Meetings.aspx

Gunner777
Gunner777 5pts

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com: Colo. Suspect Charged With 24 Counts of Murder [12:25 p.m. ET] For more on this and other breaking news go to ABCNews.com: http://abcnews.go.com?nwltr=bn

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts

 @Gunner777 I thought only 12 people were killed? 

 

StormR
StormR 5pts

 @Tango9  @Gunner777 I heard yesterday that one of the shooting victims had a miscarriage in the hospital.  I hope he is charged with that death also, but I don't know Colorado law.  The woman was the mother of the 6-year old who died, and she is paralyzed from the waist down from the shooting.  The tragedies just keep going on.

ArcticWarrior
ArcticWarrior 5pts

 @Tango9  @Gunner777

 2 Each- Premeditation and Indifference for each of the 12

Gunner777
Gunner777 5pts

 @ArcticWarrior  yep, that's how it works in Colorado-----

Gunner777
Gunner777 5pts

Some reports have said he left the shotgun in the car and never took it in. Has this been changed now or is this another media foul up?

Canopylight
Canopylight 5pts

 @Gunner777 Here it is: http://sinisterdreams.wordpress.com/2012/07/22/carli-and-chriss-story-continued/

Gunner777
Gunner777 5pts

 @Canopylight Thank you sir!

Canopylight
Canopylight 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Gunner777 Definitely took it in the building. There was a blog of a girl talking about her experience and she was apparently near the exits and made a mad dash out and was hit by a shotgun. By the wounds it actually look like birdshot and not anything entirely lethal.

Old PH2
Old PH2 moderator 5pts

 @Canopylight I noticed some of the wounds looked like casing shrapnel, maybe it was the Bird Shot.  Ask Dick Cheney's hunting buddies how that feels.  Not my idea of a fun day.

GoNavy
GoNavy 5pts

@Canopylight @Gunner777 The only firearm he left in the car was one of the Glock 22/23 I believe. I was wondering what type of Shotgun Ammo he brought since it was probably bulk which he probably used birdshot(?).

Gunner777
Gunner777 5pts

 @ArcticWarrior  @GoNavy  @Canopylight From the conflicting reporting it seems most of the news stations are saying he did load a 30 round mag and ditched the drum.

ArcticWarrior
ArcticWarrior 5pts

 @GoNavy  @Canopylight  @Gunner777

 Has anybody heard whether he attempted to reload the AR? The initial reports said the 100 rd drum was purchased but the photos on scene show a 30rndr with the rifle outside the door of the theatre, lying on the ground.

Gunner777
Gunner777 5pts

 @GoNavy  @Canopylight  I hope it was birdshot that probably saved some people. Not that birdshot won't kill you but you have a better chance!

johndixon628
johndixon628 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I wonder what others feel his low-light vision would have been like after firing the shotgun and then the AR in a low-light situation. I'd have to think he wasn't disciplined enough to close his eyes from the muzzle blast, even if his fire was indiscriminate. 

 

I think the temporary blinding factor from a flashlight beam is well worth discussing but I don't remember muzzle flash being discussed at all.

SEAN SPOONTS
SEAN SPOONTS 5pts

@johndixon628 That's a good point.

Gunner777
Gunner777 5pts

 @johndixon628 Honestly I don't think it would be significant. I've shot a Remington 870 with a 14 inch barrel during  night exercises with our SRU team and it didn't really bother me. The same for the M4 and MP5.

Another consideration would be ammo type since some have a lot more muzzle flash than others.

johndixon628
johndixon628 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Gunner777 True, but my department always makes muzzle flash one of the criteria when selecting ammunition. Our pistols are no big deal, but a load of buckshot with a slow(er) burning powder could become an issue, but our "tactical" factory load makers seem to have taken steps to minimize it with the right burn-rate for the powder. But the AR with mil-spec ball ammo (I'm assuming because of the bulk purchase) might have been a bit bright in some variants. Not sure, just worth discussing. 

 

BW - I changed my avatar to a photo of our Officer Memorial. I see it every day and it never ceases to remind me of friends I've lost and what could always happen to me. 

Gunner777
Gunner777 5pts

 @johndixon628 Very true especially since he started out down front by the screen.

johndixon628
johndixon628 5pts

 @Gunner777  And I should have added that I would think the screen would have reduced the "low-light" situation as well, making muzzle flash even less of an issue. Still, I seem to lose more peripheral vision when firing loads that have more flash in low-light. 

Gunner777
Gunner777 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @johndixon628  @Gunner777 In fact we tested ammo as well. It sure can make a difference.

I was able to go to DC and visit the memorial wall and copy the names of the five friends killed in the line of duty. Visiting the memorial is a very moving experience.

Our PD also has a marble memorial in front of the PD which I passed everyday when leaving the parking lot to go on duty. You're right it can happen to any of us anytime and day.

Old PH2
Old PH2 moderator 5pts

 @Gunner777 I agree, hunting coyote around here at night, I've never lost my target after firing.  Come to think of it I wonder why I don't.  Just the logic of it makes you think you'd loose your night vision, but I haven't.

Gunner777
Gunner777 5pts

 @Old PH2 I was thinking about it and the only one that gave me a bit of a problem was a 4 inch barrel S&W 629 with handload of Unique powder. I had it loaded pretty hot.

RVN SF VET
RVN SF VET 5pts

Here is a newscaster using what appears to be actual imagery from inside the theater to reconstruct the scene. It appears reasonable, although a few news reports mention the subject's moving up the isle.

 

< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsCUpzuFgQc >

majrod
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 @RVN SF VET

 This report also has the shooter shooting for over 5 min (12:38 - 12:46).  Interesting.

 

Still don't understand how anyone can definitively make a case for what concealed carry could or couldn't do.  Reports say those shot were moving to the door and that MANY just played dead.  The level of difficulty in engaging the shooter relies on a variety of unknown factors (e.g. range, CCW skill, light, amount of smoke etc.).

 

What is sure is the theatre was a free fire zone for the shooter because concealed carry wasn't allowed and survival depended on the shooter's accuracy and how much time he had to kill.

ColonelProp
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@majrod @RVN SF VET One thing we are guaranteed is this story will invert in six months, and there never be a mention of the insanity of "gun free zones" and how deadly they are. We will get an incredible push for gun control but the media is failing their first amendment responsibilities to report the truth. Watch the slow, partial release of the truth.

Recon6
Recon6 moderator 5pts

 @ArcticWarrior  @RVN SF VET   Copy that AW, and Never lose sight of Soros and his machinations to control Everything US....R6

ArcticWarrior
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 @RVN SF VET

 Both the Times and Post pander to the Brady crowd as well as that shitbag Bloomberg ( Of course its Ok for his armed Security at his villa in the Bahamas and of course it was Ok for him to steal a 3rd term but he was all against Rudy getting one), its not surprising. They are all for removing our rights as long as they get armed protection, you think that fruit cake in Jersey Lautenberg, as well as McCarthy wont milk this to the max for political gain?

Gunner777
Gunner777 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @RVN SF VET The news media no longer reports the news and truth in reporting is no longer a priority. The priority is the agenda they support!

RVN SF VET
RVN SF VET 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Gunner777  @Old PH2 Regrettably, both the Washington Post and now the New York Times have allowed their anti-gun editorial policy to seep into their news reporting. The Times appears to have more columnists willing to incorporate anti-gun themes into columns which at first appear unrelated to gun control. One amazing thing that the NY Times has done is to remove the ability to comment from this last week's editorials and columns that touch on gun control. They really don't like it when commentators correct factual errors and point out the columnists' ignorance of existing law. Well, that's easily fixed - no comments!

 

The Post has so many comments per article that I assume nobody reads them. When there are over 1000 comments, where do you begin? BTW, both papers appear to use the Brady idiots as their primary source and those folks bend the truth and misquote the law regularly. It was either here or "Kit Up!" where a writer pointed-out that in stories about active shooters who were in fact stopped by CCW holders, of 88 news stories about a college incident, only 4 stories mentioned that the shooter was stopped by armed students. It certainly brings new meaning to the phrase, "pissing against the tide".

Gunner777
Gunner777 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Old PH2 Figures---I've been waiting for that BS to start. Any excuse to take away our rights!!!!

As liberal as the Post is they are no doubt the first to light the fire.

Old PH2
Old PH2 moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ColonelProp  @majrod  @RVN They are already in front of the Whitehouse calling for Gun/ ammunition control:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/26/gun-control-group-brady-campaign_n_1706395.html

Blake Miles
Blake Miles 5pts

 @RVN SF VET If this cat's animations are correct with the theater layout, that completely alters my assessment of small arms effectiveness. That layout would be the worst possible to have any audience members respond with concealed carry. I haven't seen a theater like that in a good 20 years, and that theater burnt down. Damn you CNN!

Tango9
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I don't like Monday morning quarterbcking, All I can do is learn what I can and try to keep myself in positions through the course of my travels on Earth to not get shot.

 

"No one expects the Spanish Inquisition."

-Monty Python

Gunner777
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The national news announced last night this wacko was under psychiatric care for schizophrenia. Now they want to know how much the doc knew before his rampage.

SEAN SPOONTS
SEAN SPOONTS 5pts

@Gunner777 Hmmm. Schizophrenics are usually more of a danger to themselves than others. They have a hard time coming up with intricate plans like this killer did because there is a committee in their heads arguing with them about everything. They also have a rather distorted sense of reality(Like their head is full of spiders that they have to get out with a can opener). Apparently he also mailed a notebook to his doctor detailing his plans. In light of his calculated and detailed planning of this attack, I would speculate that his schizophrenia may be part of a preconceived insanity defense. He doesn't want to get the death penalty. He wants to be infamous as the greatest mass murderer in US history. And a relatively cushy existence in a mental hospital for criminals probably looks better than isolation in a super max facility awaiting a death sentence.

Gunner777
Gunner777 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @SEAN SPOONTS I'd have to disagree with that. They are very dangerous to themselves and everyone else. Over the years I've worked homicides with these types of people. Several have attacked officers as well including myself. Over a period of six years this one guy did nothing and one day he went off and he was one hard guy to fight. He knocked my Sgt. out and I had to use an SL-35 flashlight on his head to even get his attention. They are very dangerous to deal with.

SEAN SPOONTS
SEAN SPOONTS 5pts

@Gunner777 I don't doubt they can be violent off their meds. Hell, about 10% of them commit suicide apparently. I just doubt they can do all the premeditation needed for a crime like this, I should have made that more clear. I've done some checking on this. I can't find one of these mass killers who's been diagnosed with Schizophrenia. They seem to all be classified as Sociopaths.

Gunner777
Gunner777 5pts

 @Guest28583 Larger departments always have an FOP, PBA (real bulldogs there!) that go to bat for injured officers among other things. Having said that if an officer goes on disability retirement the FOP etc. go away.

johndixon628
johndixon628 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Guest28583 Not familiar with the comments yesterday, but I do wish that the public was more aware of the sacrifices that our military, police, fire, and other emergency responders make well after they hang up their gear. 

 

With the ridiculous situations in some of our schools, I definitely feel teachers deserve much more respect than they get. 

Guest28583
Guest28583 5pts

 @johndixon628 

 

Sorry for this new handle, I was banned for my very last comment yesterday, which I didn't really think too particularly offensive, but say la veee....

 

but I had to ask re the police protective leagues. Sorry for my ignorance, and hope this info get more out, especially w/ the attack on teacher, police and fire "unions". My prayer for these officers.

Old PH2
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 @johndixon628  @Tango9  @ArcticWarrior  @Gunner777  @SEAN SPOONTS If you have never laughed that hard, your doing something wrong!  You seriously need to find a line of work that subjects you to more "excitement."  I've shot hot coffee through my nose as well, not fun believe me.

johndixon628
johndixon628 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Old PH2  @Tango9  @ArcticWarrior  @Gunner777  @SEAN SPOONTS People always talk about "pissing your pants" in these types of situations. What they don't know is that there is likely more incontinence during the "choir" meetings that occur well after the incident! I know I've about pee'd myself several times from laughing so hard. 

johndixon628
johndixon628 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @FutureJarHead Police "Unions" are a misnomer in some areas. In my state, we are not allowed to strike. We do have organizations like the FOP, PBA and others, but the majority of any compensation that goes to officers who are wounded - and must take a medical retirement - comes from the government policies existing in the jurisdiction they serve. There are some types of funds available from other organizations to supplement this, but it really isn't much. I've known too many officers who leave due to medical conditions and end up coping with near poverty level compensation. But just like other "band of brothers" types, you can bet we take care of our own. Fundraisers and charity events roll in when needed....literally. Harley-Davidson thunder has raised much needed money for many brothers.  

Guest28583
Guest28583 5pts

 @johndixon628 

 

That sucks, man! I always thought every police dept (I guess big cities now that I think of it) had unions or "protective leagues" to address these concerns because 1st responders are privvy to more and worst physical injuries or worst.

 

Now I'm curious how prevalent police unions are, especially now with attempts to neuter them, along with fire unions. That sucks, man! Makes me sad hearing that.

 

johndixon628
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 @FutureJarHead  @Old PH2 Futurejarhead - I agree with much of what you mentioned, but I have to disagree with the "great injury on-duty package". That varies greatly. I work in one of the biggest Southeastern cities as far as department size goes. We've lost numerous officers to gunfire, but more specifically, here are two cases where the officer survived:

 

Officer hit several times below his body armor with a .44 Magnum. Returned fire and killed the suspect. Officer survived but had to retire due to injuries. Has medical issues that won't ever be eliminated. Medical retirement much less than a "full" retirement.

 

Officer on a high-risk warrant service. Goes bad, suspect opens fire in the house. Hits officer in the head below his ballistic helmet. Suspect hit as he exits house and taken into custody, but still managed to fire at another SWAT officer before he is down.  Round enters his brain but he survives. Officer has to retire and - not surprisingly - has substantial medical issues (speech is slow, mood swings, constant headaches). Once again, medical retirement far less than a full retirement.

 

 And this department is far from the worst. As a matter of fact, I feel the department has a history of remembering our fallen and wounded that I'm very proud of. The problem is, you are dealing with Human Resources, not the department when it comes to these matters. I know that many people working in HR have a heart and all that, but the simple fact is the decision is made in black and white with little or no emotion.

 

 Sucks, but there it is.  

Old PH2
Old PH2 moderator 5pts

 @Tango9  @ArcticWarrior  @Gunner777  @SEAN SPOONTS You have no idea!  Gave my partner so much shit for not getting on her immediately!  He's standing there in a WTF moment.  Pretty funny now.

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts

 @FutureJarHead

 wait... what?

Tango9
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 @Old PH2  @ArcticWarrior  @Gunner777  @SEAN SPOONTS

 LOL your first zombie attack!

Old PH2
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 @FutureJarHead That's the lesson I learned, if you don't have the authority to use force your in a bad spot.  What do you do?  Better start thinking now while you have the luxury of time.  Now I know how to contact the Bus Dispatcher and tell them not to stop because of....  It's all about survival and causing the least damage to the public.  Commercial Security can get really tricky, no police powers and major civil liability. 

FutureJarHead
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I guess the point here is crazy is crazy, there's no, "well these kinda crazies are usually not harmful". Approach them as ALL harmful.

 

FutureJarHead
FutureJarHead 5pts

 @Old PH2

 

But the fact that you can tell the story, and make it a learning experience is already priceless. Thanks for the story.

Old PH2
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 @FutureJarHead The guys still tease me about that one.  Gotta laugh through the pain!

FutureJarHead
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 @Old PH2

 

I really appreciate everyone's real life experiences here, and give me a puzzle of sort to solve, so in case I'm faced with similar scenario I'd have already thought about it. I hope you don't mind me, doing a "I would've done it this way" critique.

Old PH2
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 @FutureJarHead Yeah, looking back I was kinda naive about it, could have really gone south.  Sometimes that old good Samaritan in your head will get you into a jam.  

Old PH2
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 @FutureJarHead She was beating on the bus door with enough force she cracked the glass.  I made the grab for her arm 'cause I figured she was going to hurt herself badly.  Still I had no idea what was up, she was unresponsive verbally.  Fact I don't think she ever said anything the whole incident.

FutureJarHead
FutureJarHead 5pts

 @Old PH2

 

Got it, not PCP. But for readers, in case it was PCP re my preceding post.

FutureJarHead
FutureJarHead 5pts

 @Old PH2  

 

I don't mean to Monday Morning QB this. But reading all the facts, the best option would have been just to wait for PD, cuz if they get hurt they get well taken care of. There really was nothing imiment here, base on narrative. I would have just gotten everyone out of the way, priority would have been to inform the bus driver to drive on by.

 

Get everyone out of the way, contain and wait for PD. PCP incidents are best handled by PD. These guys usually are calm, enjoying their high, but when you accost them, they'll literally go ape shit. Let PD or FD handle them, if they get injured they have great injury on duty package, etc. If Joe Public tries to accost a PCP, he'll only get hurt. Just contain these guys.

 

Old PH2
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 @FutureJarHead Turns out she had Alzheimer's and got away from her husband.  I felt so damn bad for them.  She beat the shit out me!  I really didn't fight back, didn't want to hurt her, but Christ she must have weight 275 and hit me like a ton.  

ArcticWarrior
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 @Old PH2  @Gunner777  @SEAN SPOONTS

 Damn I hope she got the 30 second ride from the Taser. But that is a funny story in retrospect, shes naked waiting on the bus, you land under her, and she reenacts Way of the Dragon on you.

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 @ArcticWarrior  @Gunner777  @SEAN SPOONTS I was standing a post at a low income housing project with a partner.  I notice off in the distance this person walking towards us.  It's like 0648hrs and it's early summer.  As this person gets closer I can see something ain't right but I can't put my finger on it.  Finally at about a block away I get a good look and realize she's an older black lady and butt naked.  I elbow my partner to call dispatch and I start to walk towards her.  I wave at her but you could tell "no one was home."  So I start by asking her name, no answer, I ask were she's going, no answer.  All the while she's walking towards us.  My partner says, "PD is on the way."  So I figure we just keep track of her and every thing is cool.   She walks by us like we aren't even there, so we follow.  Around the corner is a bus stop and that's where she stops.  She's waiting on the bus.  Now it's getting close to 0700hrs and the bus is inbound, I can see it up the street.  The two other people at the bus stop don't recognize her and try hard to disappear.  Now the bus pulls up and the two need to get on, but the driver doesn't want to open up.  The Naked lady is trying to force the door, we ask her to back up, no answer.  Finally I get one of her hands.  She immediately turned on me.  As much as I didn't want to hurt her, she grabbed me by the shirt and pushed me with all her force.  Took me right off my feet and I landed under her.  Meanwhile my partner can't believe what he's seeing, trying to decide between his ASP of his taser.  Finally broke out the taser, just as the PD rolled up.  She split my lip, I ended up with pulled muscles in my back.  Not to mention the huge raw spot on my chest where she yanked out a fist full of chest hair.  The paper work was crazy. 

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 @Tango9  @Gunner777  @SEAN SPOONTS

 The folks who work AD SEG or Psych certainly have there hands full

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 @ArcticWarrior  @Gunner777  @SEAN SPOONTS Heh... and it's for this reason I'd never be a corrections officer.  I already have to deal with the missus, can't imagine a prison loaded to the gills!  ;)

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 @Gunner777  @SEAN SPOONTS

 Personality Disorders are always dicey. Its never fun putting the belly chain and shackles on one when its time fro Courts or Psych Evals. They can fly off the handle unpredictably with superhuman strength. Its best to have an Officer they like talk them through it and keep them calm. Its odd, they like and dislike certain Officers for the strangest reasons and will absolutely lose it if the wrong people (in their mind) are dealing with them. Suicide Blankets, Spit Veil, Restraints when they go off sometimes they need a full tazer blast and still you only have a moment to restrain them.

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 @SEAN SPOONTS  @Gunner777

 You know he and his defense will play on that whole psych angle, in fact his psych eval can be easily predicted. While maybe he was the most flamboyent, Hennard in the TX Luby's rampage still has the body count. In Hennards case people attempted to rush him while reloading and one guy even through a chair through the window so people could get out. Hubert in San Diego also had documented mental issues as did our Ft Hood killer whom I wont even dignify by naming. Luckily most Rampage killers are either gunned down or commit suicide, which further makes me slant towards the fact,as Cameron said " Sometimes they just go bad, we dont know why"... Now this Colorado guy, just stopped and let himself be taken. I agree with you Sean I think this guys continuing to act.

 

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 @Gunner777

 Was he on meds?

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 @ArcticWarrior One of the news agencies said he self medicated with Zoloft to calm himself----------

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 @Gunner777

 That would explain his unusually calm demeanor

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 @ArcticWarrior They haven't said for sure. The doc isn't cooperating yet.

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 @ArcticWarrior I understand she hadn't opened it but that hasn't been confirmed yet. If she did and did not report it she can be charged big time! Almost all states require doctors to report a potential violent crime. Patient doctor privilege no longer counts.

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 Im curious as to what was in the package he sent the Doc prior to his rampage. If he admitted he was going on a rampage or had thoughts of doing harm to others as well as himself then she was morally obligated, if not legally, to inform LE. Now its possible the parcel wasnt opened prior to the rampage.

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