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Home » SOFREP TV » Inside the Team Room Episode 13: Death and Sacrifice

Inside the Team Room Episode 13: Death and Sacrifice

by Brandon Webb · July 11, 2012

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Brandon Webb

Brandon Webb is a former U.S. Navy SEAL with combat deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, and elsewhere in the Middle East. His last tour in the SEAL Teams was as the Course Manager for the US Navy SEAL Sniper program, arguably one of the most difficult sniper courses in the world. He was formerly a contributing editor for Military.com, and currently the Editor-in-Chief of SOFREP.com. Brandon is regularly featured in the media as a subject matter expert on military affairs. An avid writer, his last two books (The Red Circle, & Benghazi: The Definitive Report) both hit the New York Times best seller list, and his writing has been featured in print, and digital media worldwide. You can follow him on Twitter @BrandontWebb

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LouCollins
LouCollins 5pts

No matter how many videos I see on Sofrep (thank you!), as a civilian, the dedication all of you have is nearly incomprehensible to me, but thank you so very, very much for the difficult work you do.

Working with new amputees, from disease rather than war, and including a young double mastectomy patient, I quickly learned it's not the body parts that make a human, it's their heart, soul, personality.

It takes nothing away from WHO you are, but it does take away the perception of yourself. It can't and doesn't make one less of a man or a woman, see above statement.

That said, it's a huge hurdle for the person missing a body part. Initial trauma, loss, grief, and of course dealing with other humans. And one big reason there's so much difficulty is, if you haven't experienced it, you can't really, deeply, totally relate to what the amputee is going through--you have no reference point.

Empathy helps, sympathy not so much, pity not at all.

Like you, I'd give a lot to ease this  burden of returning wounded warriors, unfortunately it's not possible. What is possible is what @Tango9 said--Give to Wounded Warriors. Perhaps more important, get involved with these folks and be there for them.

 @Tango9 I'm cussing for you, just not out loud.

 

Tango9
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I kind of obsess about this particular engagement.  I wasn't there, I was 4000 miles away (or some such) standing in a place watching it happen.  But we knew Capt Self was continually calling for help, and there were a shit ton of men looking at the commander on-scene begging him to make the right call.

 

And he failed.  Miserably.  Devastatingly.  Tear-your-rank-off-and-go-home-because-you-suck kind of fail.  It's been how many years?  And I'm still as furious about it as I was that day.  Mad as fuck.  I could rant on for a bit but I'll just leave it there.  Fill in the blanks.  Use a lot of profanity.

Tango9
Tango9 5pts

 @Tango9 I misspoke.  Having re-read my comment I did not mean to point the arrow at Capt Self, but at the CC that refused to release the QRF.

 

I know Brandon was in the TOC and kitted up feet from the ramp when the no-go came down so I'm sure he's 20x more pissed than I am.

MR151
MR151 5pts

 @Tango9

 I feel compelled to ask some questions, difficult as they may be.

 

What happened to that sucky, total fail sheep of a commander who didn't let the guys go in to help the Rangers? I would've had his head rolling by end of day if I had known what he did, or actually did NOT do.

 

Has anyone heard any updates on that guy who shot Chris & Chad? The news has been pretty quiet lately about that.

Tango9
Tango9 5pts

 @MR151 He's in jail.  That's all I know.

 

Regarding the CC in the subject engagement I have no idea.  This thing still lies on my mental shelf of Things That Piss Me Off (tm), but I only pull it out when I have to.

Yun
Yun 5pts

I just saw this and remembered reading about Robert's Ridge when I was in basic.  This was a great video because it covered a lot of the deeper aspects for the guys in Special Operations and Combat Arms rather than the hollywood stuff that you see on most websites.  Thanks for putting this one up.

 

SleazyWeazel
SleazyWeazel 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

What I observed from Chris K. and Chris O., as well as Brandon, was in the brief moments of pause and introspection that you can tell that no soldier should ever be forgotten or tossed aside.  The eye contact and reflection on what they've seen and heard throughout their military career speak volumes to me.

Old PH2
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Words, escape me.

PONI
PONI 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Chris, you're one of the most fiercely loyal men I've ever seen (and that's coming from a Marine). You said everything but, "Nobody fucks with my boys," when talking about our heroes. I appreciate that man. I feel the same way. Not many people understand the level of gratitude, respect, and sanctity we as a nation should have for these men and women. I think everyone is thankful, but there's a much deeper meaning than that. When somebody sees the fire lit inside you like that they start thinking a little deeper about why you feel so strongly about our boys. Semper Fi.

Tango9
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Great stuff.  What Chris K. says at the end is the heart of it:  we need to take care of our boys.  Don't fawn over them like they're weak and need a popsicle, but be there, help them when they need it.  It's not a matter of $$ it's a matter of taking care of our own. 

 

Giving to Wounded Warriors is a great first step, but don't think that by doing that your debt to these guys is repaid.

danielrs
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You keep talking about that commander, and I keep remembering an old African(or Arab, its origins are disputed) proverb that is roughly something like "an army of sheep led by a lion can beat an army of lions led by a sheep". Basically, indecision is itself a decision, and sometimes it leads to terrible consequences.

wadea1974
wadea1974 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I tell my 11 yr old son and 14 yr old daughter not to look to American idol, NFL or NBA to find their hero's, if they want a REAL American idol to look up the wounded warrior foundation! Those who gave it all, and you guys!

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @wadea1974 Just have them look up to you.

wadea1974
wadea1974 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@Tango9 They do man....but u know how kids are, they're always hunting someone to idolize.

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @wadea1974  @Tango9 Yeah, and if they're anything like we were they'll pick the wrong ones lol

 

NelsonJr
NelsonJr 5pts

By the way Brandon, what kind of watch are you wearing?? Is that a Resco?...just looked cool as did Chris's(Kyle) and i have a bit of a watch obsession..lol

ZoulRic
ZoulRic 5pts

 @NelsonJr  See RESCO Red Circle Watch - http://www.rescowatch.com/products/the-red-circle designed by @BrandonWebb 

NelsonJr
NelsonJr 5pts

 

Thank you

BrandonWebb
BrandonWebb moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @NelsonJr RESCO

NelsonJr
NelsonJr 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Great episode. I always want the episodes to be longer but this one....this one made me tear up a bit...i live in VA..been to Bethesda quite a few times. Chris was spot on. Those guys always seem to be in good spirits yet i'm the one looking at them trying not to cry...

Curt KEA Weapons
Curt KEA Weapons 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

A great segment- on the wounded soldiers-- agree  --we should take cae of them.  I have too, have done a fund raiser for the wounded heroes.  I am hoping to work with Marcus Latrell's Lone Survivor organization to help there too.

 

PrevailTactical
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Great episode guys, I am currently working on some fundraising projects for Wounded Warriors and The Special Operations Warrior Fund, Listening to Chris really inspires me to step it up, and do something for these guys coming home.

RoyZepeda
RoyZepeda 5pts

Man that reminds me of Chapter 9 in Lone Survivor when LT Michael Patrick Murphy is on the phone with HQ saying "My man are dying out here". 

jrexilius
jrexilius moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

By the way guys, best episode yet.

Iassen Donov
Iassen Donov 5pts

 @jrexilius agreed

jrexilius
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I'm really glad I did not have to listen to those radio calls for support.  I've been written up before for disobeying orders, I woulda gotten full UCMJ treatment for beating down that commander.

 

Chris and Chris were dead-on right.  When our guys are home in the civilian community missing a limb and by themselves the rest of us really need to step-up.  If you served and came back with your life and all your limbs remember to be thankful and help your brothers who weren't so lucky.

 

 

KineticFury
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 @jrexilius all my problems look trivial (as most are) when I see a young amputee/burn victim.  25yr old Staff Sergeant Travis Mills of the 82nd Airborne, lost both legs and both arms from an IED in Afghanistan, and its amazing to see his 'recovery' if you can call it that. We're all forever indebted to men like these.

 

http://www.travismills.org/Home_Page.html

 

 

TheShowstopper1
TheShowstopper1 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 6 Like

I'm glad that I didn't have to listen to those guys pleading for extract, etc. I would have lost it.

BrandonWebb
BrandonWebb moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @TheShowstopper1 It was tough.

Tango9
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 @BrandonWebb  @TheShowstopper1 And Brandon saying it was tough... I know he's keeping a world of hate bottled up.  He's a reserved guy, but I can tell you that if we had that day to do all over again I'm guessing there'd be a SEAL with a pistol to an MH-60 pilot's head saying "lift off.  Now."

HugeFan
HugeFan moderator 5pts

 @PONI It should be prison time for that commander. 7 men died at the Battle of Takur Ghar (Robert's Ridge) and that could have been at the very least mitigated as Brandon pointed out.

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts

 @PONI true and good point.

PONI
PONI 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Tango9 with the caliber of most chopper pilots I ever hitched a ride with in a tight spot, he'd probably be asking what the hell took ya'll so long to get here.That should have been a career ender for that commander and even that wouldn't do it justice.

Tango9
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 @BrandonWebb  @TheShowstopper1 I know where Brandon was on this one, and I know where I was.  It sucked.  It didn't just suck it fucking sucked a mountain of pimple covered ass.  It's not funny.  It fucking sucked.  Period.

Skunk
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Awesome as usual. Brandon, you should consider doing an AMA (ask me anything) with the SOFREP crew on http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA    It would be a great place to get more exposure to the site and SOF in general. 

BrandonWebb
BrandonWebb moderator 5pts

 @Skunk http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/wf8oh/navy_seals_death_and_sacrfice/

Skunk
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 @BrandonWebb It took me forever to find this, but this is basically a good guide to the AMA. https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B324Hj3W77gJa25OZ093RzBXVjA/edit?pli=1

Skunk
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 @BrandonWebb I suppose I should explain Reddit a bit more. Reddit is a community of subcommunitys or "subreddits". These subreddits can range from almost any topic, including guns, military, music, computers ect. The IAMA subreddit is there for you to allow people to ask you questions. As an example, someone said here ( http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/i3s61/iama_former_navy_seal/ ) That he was a former Navy SEAL. The mods contacted other SEALS who could varify his claim (including Don Shipley, if I'm not mistaken), and then he was asked questions about it. So, say you did a SOFREP AMA. You would post as you did before, with maybe a title of "We are SOFREP, a collection of people from all Special Operations branches. Ask us Almost Anything." You could have the contributors of SOFREP make an account, and you all answer questions about your respective branches. You could also post your content links, in www.reddit.com/r/military regarding the military, or maybe www.reddit.com/r/worldnews for posts that have to do with news. If you need any more help, just ask and I'll hit you up through your Facebook. Reddit is an awesome place to promote, an has subreddits for every type of person.  

BrandonWebb
BrandonWebb moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Skunk good idea.

 

OPR
OPR 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @BrandonWebb Let us know when you do it so we can upvote it.

BrandonWebb
BrandonWebb moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @OPR upvote!

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