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Home » SOF History » Beyond Neptune Spear: The (Open) Secret History of SEAL Team Six (Part 3)

Beyond Neptune Spear: The (Open) Secret History of SEAL Team Six (Part 3)

by Chris Martin · October 30, 2012 · Posted In: SOF History
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Despite being forced to wait its turn to enter the fight in the Global War on Terror (Delta was the first special mission unit that JSOC sent to Afghanistan in the wake of 9/11), DEVGRU would play a pivotal role in a number of major actions that took place during the early stages of the war.

Those events would provide a glimpse of both the heroism and tragedy that was to follow for SEAL Team Six in the decade ahead.

On November 25th, 2001, less than three months after the 9/11 attacks, a prison uprising at the massive Qala-i-Jangi fortress near Mazar-e-Sharif claimed the life of CIA Paramilitary Operations Officer Johnny “Mike” Spann.  Spann, a former ANGLICO Marine, became the first American killed in combat during the GWOT when several hundred Taliban detainees turned on their captors.i

What followed was a bloody, week-long engagement involving the prisoners and the Northern Alliance, U.S. Army Special Forces, and the British Special Boat Service that resulted in the death of hundreds of Taliban fighters.ii

Included among the small group of Special Boat Service troopers was a SEAL who had been ‘seconded’ to the UKSF unit as part of an exchange program. Bloody Heroes, a chronicle of the SBS’s role in the conflict penned by war report Damien Lewis, details the remarkable bravery of ‘Sam Brown.’ Brown is described as an experienced and unflappable DEVGRU operator who would become the first SEAL since 1989 to be awarded the Navy Cross.iii

(The author didn’t use the SEAL’s real name, however, it’s easily discovered. This is the source of some confusion as the Navy Cross award citation lists SEAL Team One as the SEAL’s parent outfit. That said, in a seemingly similar situation that took place just months later, a confirmed DEVGRU operator was listed as belonging to a non-classified SEAL team in his Silver Star citation as well.)

The citation, in part, reads, “Chief Petty Officer (Brown) deployed to…locate and recover two missing American citizens, one presumed to be seriously injured or dead, after hard-line al-Qaeda and Taliban prisoners at the Qala-i-Jangi fortress in Mazar-e-Sharif over powered them and gained access to large quantities of arms and ammunition stored at the fortress. Once inside, Chief Petty Officer (Brown) was engaged continuously by direct small arms fire, indirect mortar fire and rocket-propelled grenade (RPG) fire. He was forced to walk through an active anti-personnel minefield in order to gain entry to the fortress. After establishing the possible location of both American citizens, under heavy fire and without concern for his own personal safety, he made two attempts to rescue the uninjured citizen by crawling toward the fortress interior to reach him. Forced to withdraw due to large volumes of fire falling on his position, he was undeterred. After reporting his efforts to the remaining members of the rescue team, they left and attempted to locate the missing citizen on the outside of the fortress. As darkness began to fall, no attempt was going to be made to locate the other injured American citizen. Chief Petty Officer (Brown) then took matters into his own hands. Without regard for his own personal safety, he moved forward another 300-400 meters into the heart of the fortress by himself under constant enemy fire in an attempt to locate the injured citizen. Running low on ammunition, he utilized weapons from deceased Afghans to continue his rescue attempt. Upon verifying the condition and location of the American citizen, he withdrew from the fortress. By his outstanding display of decisive leadership, unlimited courage in the face of enemy fire, and utmost devotion to duty, Chief Petty Officer (Brown) reflected great credit upon himself and upheld the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service.”iv

According to Lewis, ‘Brown’ had actually taken the place of SEAL Team Six teammate Neil C. Roberts, who was slated for the SBS exchange before having to turn it down at a late date.v

Four months later, Roberts would become the first SEAL killed in combat since 1989vi — the first of a great many DEVGRU operators who would make the ultimate sacrifice in the years following 9/11. Perhaps inescapable considering the unit’s constant presence at the sharp end of the nation’s most dangerous and vitally important fights, it is no less tragic as a result.

Operation Anaconda — a complex offensive that involved multiple task forces and lacked unity of command — rapidly escalated in the Shah-i-Kot Valley in March of 2002.vii

As the battle began to rage, a small handful of extraordinary JSOC reconnaissance specialists from Advanced Force Operations (AFO), commanded by Delta officer Lt. Col. Pete Blaber, took on the starring role. Silently infiltrating through unforgiving terrain to claim key positions around the valley ahead of the full-scale assault, they called down air strikes to devastating effect.viii

Meanwhile, Task Force Blue’s assault team of DEVGRU operators initially chose to stay put at Bagram Air Base, some 150 miles to the north. At the behest of then-JSOC commander Dell Dailey, the squadron sat ready in the event that one of the ‘big three’ — Osama bin Laden, Ayman-al-Zawahiri, or Mullah Omar — was located so they might strike.ix

However, Task Force 11 (the larger JSOC task force to which Delta’s Task Force Green, SEAL Team Six’s Task Force Blue, and other sub-task forces answered), directed by Dailey’s deputy, Air Force Brig. Gen. Gregory Trebon, and Joe Kernan, the commander of ST6 (and hence, TF Blue), became anxious to get a piece of the action at Anaconda when it proved unexpectedly hot.x

A TF Blue element of DEVGRU operators, led by Lieutenant Commander Vic Hyder, was sent to the AFO safe house in Gardez. Despite Blaber being informed to expect otherwise, Hyder effectively assumed control of the recon teams already in the field, along with the SEAL reinforcements, upon arrival. And even though they had not yet been given an opportunity to familiarize themselves with the terrain or the situation, TF11 urged the operators from Six to enter the fight immediately.xi

This flew in the face of Blaber’s recommendations. The situation soon became further confused; both Hyder and Blaber believed they were in command and communication channels were not shared between them (unbeknownst to Blaber).xii

Two teams of SEAL assaulters, Mako 21 and Mako 22, infiltrated into the valley without resistance. Despite lacking specialized training and equipment for the operation, the men of Mako 22 impressed the more experienced AFO operators by effectively spotting enemy positions and directing accurate strikes. Mako 21, meanwhile, enjoyed considerably less success.xiii

A third team was tasked with the most challenging objective of the operation; Mako 30 was to secure an observation point at the 10,469-foot peak of Takur Ghar, which would provide a dominating position overlooking the entire valley.xiv

After conferring with Blaber, the initial plan was to place Mako 30 some 1300 meters short of the peak while allowing sufficient time to make the arduous four-hour march to the desired location under cover of darkness.xv

However, multiple delays forced the TF Blue element to reconsider. The SEALs ultimately gambled and shifted their landing zone directly to the peak — ill-advised as it would signal their placement to any enemies fighters in the area and because there was strong evidence of an entrenched enemy force already holding the site.xvi

Blaber, who had earlier vehemently cautioned against any such temptations, was effectively cut out of the loop. Despite retaining nominal authority, he was unaware of the last-minute direction from TF Blue’s TOC in Bagram to go ahead anyway — this despite Mako 30′s team leader having requested to push the op back to the following evening.xvii

A 160th SOAR MH-47E Chinook ferried the eight-man JSOC team to the risky LZ. Along with six DEVGRU SEALs, the team also included an operator from the Army’s enigmatic ‘Activity,’ — an intelligence-gathering unit that is perhaps the most shrouded of JSOC’s SMUs. The eighth member of Mako 30 was a Combat Controller from the Air Force’s 24th Special Tactics Squadron.xviii (Regular attachments to ST6 and Delta strike forces who specialize in directing close air support, CCTs of 24 STS take part in Green Team training so that they can operate seamlessly with DEVGRU assault teams.xix)

Ignoring a number of warning signs on approach, the Chinook set down on top of the mountain. Within seconds it was hit with a barrage of RPG and small arms fire.

The limping helicopter attempted to make a rapid escape, but Petty Officer 1st Class Roberts, the aforementioned DEVGRU operator, fell from the open ramp of the ascending craft and down to the snow-covered earth approximately ten feet below. It is unclear whether he was already making his exit when the Chinook unexpectedly took off or whether he slipped in oil that was spraying inside the flaming cabin. In any event, he found himself on his own on the mountain peak, surrounded by al-Qaeda militants, while his teammates helplessly drifted away in a failing machine that had suffered massive damage to its electronic and hydraulics systems in the attack.xx

The SEAL team urgently requested to be reinserted without delay in hopes of saving Roberts, but the lack of shared communication linking commands made a dire situation even worse. When a second helo arrived at the site of their hard landing, the men were ordered back to Gardez; leadership was unwilling to leave the downed helicopter’s crew by the wounded chopper after mistakenly identifying nearby friendlies as an approaching al-Qaeda pack.xxi

This all took place while AC-130Hs were changing station, resulting in a lack of accurate eyes on Roberts, whose condition and predicament remained a mystery.xxii

The remaining five from Six and their CCT finally raced back to Takur Ghar after ushering the spare 160th crew to Gardez.

But by that time the fate of Roberts, who offered fierce resistance for as long as he could, was sealed. The wounded 32-year-old Petty Officer 1st Class was ultimately undone when his M249 SAW jammed. He was overrun after holding off his attackers for as much as 30 minutes, if not longer, although the precise details of his demise have been the source of some debate.xxiii

When the DEVGRU operators touched back down on Takur Ghar, they split into three pairs and were engaged straight away in an intense, close-range fight. Multiple terrorists were dropped in the frenetic moments that followed, but three of the hopelessly outnumbered commandos were wounded in return. The 24 STS Combat Controller, Technical Sergeant John A. Chapman, was killed in the firefight (though there is some dispute concerning the particulars of Chapman’s death as well).

The ST6 men were forced to make their escape, leaping over the crest of the peak. They slid down the side of the mountain and scrambled to cover some fifty meters below.xxiv

A 75th Ranger Regiment-led QRF (Quick Reaction Force), split between a pair of Chinooks, was called to the SEALs’ aid. However, one of the helicopters was mistakenly sent directly into the firing lines of the foreign fighters waiting at the top of Takur Ghar. The other was directed to Gardez before inserting some 800 meters away, now with ST6 officer Hyder in tow.xxv

The QRF ultimately took the peak that would come to be known as “Roberts Ridge” but not before five additional American lives were lost.xxvi

Hyder, meanwhile, located his SEALs, who had been sheltered by the combined firepower of a circling AC-130H Spectre gunship, F-15E Strike Eagles, and a CIA MQ-1 Predator drone (in the first-ever case of UAV ground-to-air supportxxvii). Though wounded (one in mortal danger), the SEALs made a six-hour, 1500-meter march back to safety.xxviii

Operation Anaconda as a whole, and the Battle of Takur Ghar in particular, was a mixed victory — an awesome display of courage under fire by the men on the ground and yet an undeniable C2 (command and control) debacle. Multiple opportunities to avoid or correct mistakes were missed — mistakes that were instead often compounded.

While far from alone, Task Force Blue had played a role in the chaos, and ST6 was forced to take a hard look in the mirror. Thrown into the fire of Operation Anaconda, DEVGRU’s command element lacked when it came to “planning, command and control, and working in a joint environment.”

That the unit would be so highly praised in those areas just ten years down the line underlines the tremendous strides that have been made. Like Desert One, it was a hard lesson but a lesson learned.

In the weeks following Operation Anaconda, the CIA managed to track down a collection of al-Qaeda fighters who had escaped the Coalition’s onslaught in the Shah-i-Kot Valley.

A U.S. Navy P-3 Orion spotted their convoy before passing off surveillance to a CIA Predator drone. After positively identifying the group as enemy combatants, a CIA/Afghan ground team redirected the convoy away from the Pakistan border. That maneuver bought heliborne SEAL Team Six interceptors just the time they needed.xxix

The DEVGRU operators dismounted and tore the convoy apart with frightening precision. They took no casualties while leaving no survivors among the fleeing Chechen al-Qaeda terrorists.xxx

Later that year, a DEVGRU close protection detail saved Afghanistan president Hamid Karzai from an attempted assassination in Kandahar.

Abdul Rahman, a suspected member of the Taliban, emerged from a mass of onlookers and sprayed four rounds at Karzai at close range when the president reached out of his vehicle window to exchange greetings with a child. ST6 operators swiftly countered the shots, killing Rahman within seconds of his surprise attack.

Two others who jumped into the crowded fray in defense of the president were also killed in the gunfire, while Karzai escaped unharmed.xxxi

 

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In 2003, the nation’s military focus shifted from Afghanistan to Saddam Hussein’s regimen in Iraq. Yet again, the Army’s Delta Force took the lead and spearheaded what would eventually prove to be a revolutionary counterterrorism campaign.

While SEAL Team Six assumed the role of lead CT element in Afghanistan,xxxii it also provided a significant presence to the expansive Iraqi effort and again established itself as a vital contributor and standout performer.

On March 23, 2003, in the opening days of the invasion, a 506th Maintenance Company convoy went off route and was ambushed. Eleven soldiers were killed and six others were captured, including Pfc. Jessica Lynch.

The wounded Lynch was taken to Saddam Hospital in Nasiriyah, which had also doubled as an Iraqi military command post.

After the Coalition received a tip concerning her whereabouts from a local, SEAL Team Six led a rescue effort. With an AC-130 overhead and Marines conducting a nearby diversionary attack, DEVGRU operators, Army Rangers, and Air Force Pararescue Jumpers descended on the hospital aboard 160th SOAR Black Hawk and Chinook helicopters and stormed the compound.

ST6 fronted the assault and successfully retrieved Lynch without meeting resistance inside the building.

The rescue mission went off without a hitch but became the subject of some controversy. Lynch’s actions in the ambush that led to her capture were later exaggerated and made a rallying cry for the early war effort to some backlash. Additionally, there was some suspicion that the raid had been staged (including the use of blanks), but those suggestions were proven false.xxxiii

DEVGRU also reconfirmed its status as a superior manhunting unit, netting a number of key members from Hussein’s ousted Ba’athist regime — the so-called ‘deck of 55,’ in the early stages of the conflict.xxxiv

As the two wars continued to take shape, SEAL Team Six would continue to hold down the Afghanistan AO. Meanwhile, JSOC maintained Delta’s position as the primary (but not sole) SMU element in Iraq, a rapidly devolving situation that eventually served as a proving ground for cutting-edge counterterrorism techniques.xxxv

JSOC fused together a network of military units and civilian agencies in order to employ groundbreaking ways of collecting and exploiting intelligence. This set the stage for a relentless, self-perpetuating CT campaign on a scale previously unimagined.

The approach was systematically perfected and played a crucial role in dismantling al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), an especially brutal offshoot of the global terrorist network.

As then-JSOC commander Gen. Stanley McChrystal was fond of pointing out, “it takes a network to defeat a network.”xxxvi

Under McChrystal, former SEAL Team Six squadron commander William McRaven headed up the paradigm-shifting operations of Task Force 121/145. McRaven in particular is said to have pushed the boundaries made possible via intermeshed JSOC/CIA capabilities.xxxvii

Based out of Al Asad Airbase in Al Anbar,xxxviii a DEVGRU element (Task Force Blue/West) was given high-value target responsibilities for the areas west of Baghdad.xxxix

By 2005, the Coalition was getting hit hard by AQI improvised explosive device (IED) attacks (some 70% of the American KIAs were due to IEDs). In response, JSOC shifted the chief focus of its SMUs away from tracking down HVTs and increasingly to eliminating local players and mid-level leaders; they would then exploit the resultant intelligence and work up the chain as quickly as possible. Essentially, they aimed to cut the terrorist networks down faster than they could regenerate.xl

In Operation Snake Eyes, SEAL Team Six executed a series of nightly raids in the Euphrates Valley, wiping out an IED ring in order to protect the conventional troops operating in the area.xli

ST6 readily took to the task and continued to eviscerate IED and suicide bombing networks into 2007. Expanding their geographic focus, the unit executed simultaneous raids in northeastern Iraq, recovering a cache of bomb-making materials transported over the border from Iran.xlii

The unyielding effort to reduce the IED threat only picked up pace heading into 2008. During one three-month deployment early in the year, Gold Squadron eliminated 117 insurgents and captured another 152.xliii

Complete control of the nation’s cellular network and an unblinking eye of constant drone surveillance helped direct DEVGRU assaulters to their targets with shocking accuracy. And once on site, the raids were executed with similar efficiency.

Overall, the brutally efficient combined efforts of two DEVGRU squadrons eliminated over 200 enemy fighters and captured another 300.xliv

However, the true effectiveness of the campaign is perhaps better described by another set of numbers: By August of 2008, the number of IED incidents had plummeted 79%, causalities decreased 85%, and troops wounded dropped 86%.xlv

The relentless pace and pinpoint targeting of the raids that Six and Delta conducted in Iraq were also credited with the release of Jill Carroll. An American freelance journalist working on assignment for the Christian Science Monitor, Carroll was taken hostage only to be set free after JSOC began taking apart the terrorist cell holding her while rapidly closing on her position.xlvi

JSOC’s ‘industrial scale’ counterterrorism campaign in Iraq radically altered the nature of the business. After all those years of sitting on the shelf, the promise of Tier 1 special ops had not only been realized but taken to staggering levels. By 2008, over 15,000 enemy fighters in Iraq had been removed from the battlefield thanks to a supremely capable force just a small fraction of that size, leaving the insurgency devastated.xlvii

However, the tempo and intensity took its toll on the Americans as well. Delta Force absorbed numerous casualties while taking the fight to AQI in an unremitting series of strike operations in and around Baghdad. DEVGRU stepped up and reinforced the effort by essentially ‘loaning’ out a number of its assaulters who were then slotted into preexisting Delta teams and effectively worked as Unit operators during select deployments.xlviii

The lessons learned in Iraq were soon applied in Afghanistan, where SEAL Team Six had largely bided its time since 2003, just waiting to be unleashed on a regenerating and emboldened al-Qaeda and Taliban presence.

 

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Notes

i “Remembering CIA’s Heroes: Johnny Micheal Spann,” Central Intelligence Agency (November 25, 2009), https://www.cia.gov/news-information/featured-story-archive/johnny-micheal-spann.html.

ii Alex Perry, “Inside the Battle of Qala-I-Jangi,” TIME (December 1, 2001), http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1001390,00.html.

iii Damien Lewis, Bloody Heroes (London: Arrow Books, 2007).

iv “Valor Awards for Stephen Bass,” Military Times, http://www.militarytimes.com/citations-medals-awards/recipient.php?recipientid=3630.

v Damien Lewis, “Bloody Heroes: Story Update,” DamienLewis.com, http://web.archive.org/web/20061224235112/http://www.damienlewis.com/damien-lewis-bloody-heroes.php#images.

vi “Neil Roberts,” NAVYSEALS.com, http://www.navyseals.com/neil-roberts.

vii Naylor, Not a Good Day to Die.

viii Ibid, 263.

ix Ibid, 37.

x Ibid, 286.

xi Ibid, 300.

xii Ibid, 302.

xiii Ibid, 371.

xiv Ibid, 305.

xv Ibid, 305-306.

xvi Ibid, 78, 287.

xvii Ibid, 308-309.

xviii Ibid, 311.

xix Wasdin and Templin, SEAL Team Six, 214.

xx Naylor, Not a Good Day to Die, 311-317.

xxi Ibid, 318-321.

xxii Ibid, 321.

xxiii Ibid, 323-324.

xxiv Ibid, 325-328.

xxv Ibid, 352-353.

xxvi Ibid, 433.

xxvii Henry A. Crumpton, The Art of Intelligence: Lessons from a Life in the CIA’s Clandestine Service (New York: Penguin Press, 2012), 265.

xxviii Naylor, Not a Good Day to Die, 366.

xxix Crumpton, The Art of Intelligence, 265-266.

xxx Malcolm MacPherson, Roberts Ridge: A Story of Courage and Sacrifice on Takur Ghar Mountain, Afghanistan (New York: Delacorte Press, 2005), 283-286.

xxxi “Wave of arrests after Karzai attack,” BBC News (September 6, 2002),

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2241378.stm.

xxxii Ambinder, “Then Came Geronimo.”

xxxiii “Special Ops say lives were on the line in Lynch’s rescue,” The Washington Times (June 9, 2003), http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2003/jun/9/20030609-122701-9940r/?page=all#pagebreak.

xxxiv Ibid.

xxxv Naylor, “Bin Laden raid a triumph for Spec Ops.”

xxxvi Stanley A. McChrystal, “It Takes a Network,” Foreign Policy (March/April 2011), http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/02/22/it_takes_a_network?page=full.

xxxvii Gellman, “William McRaven: The Admiral,” TIME.

xxxviii Mark Urban, Task Force Black: The Explosive True Story of the Secret Special Forces War in Iraq (New York: St. Martin’s Press, 2010), 71.

xxxix Sean D. Naylor, “Closing in on Zarqawi,” Army Times (May 8, 2006), http://www.armytimes.com/legacy/new/0-ARMYPAPER-1739369.php.

xl Blehm, Fearless, 179-180.

xli Urban, Task Force Black, 81.

xlii Blehm, Fearless, 181-183.

xliii Ibid, 182-184.

xliv Blehm, Fearless, 184.

xlv Ibid.

xlvi Rowan Scarborough, Sabotage: America’s Enemies Within The CIA (Washington DC: Regnery Publishing, Inc., 2007), 159.

xlvii Urban, Task Force Black, 270-271.

xlviii Owen, No Easy Day.

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OldRGR
OldRGR 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Interesting article.  I enjoyed reading about the evolution of DEVGRU.  Chris great article look forward to more in the future.

 

Can someone follow-up with a seperate article on JSOC's Task 121/145 Task Force North 75th Ranger?  I enjoy reading about the evolution of the SMUs and I find it interesting that since 9/11 that role of the 75th within JSOC has grown and they have taken on some of the SMUs roles.  When SFOD-D was being stood up one of the objections of the Rangers were that several of the mission profiles of SFOD-D was also their mission profile.  As time went on SFOD-D became established and those types of mission went to them even though Rangers still trained fr those same mission (at least in the 1980s).  It just good seeing they are back to what they were always intended to be.  Not stepping on SMU toes just stating what can be found in open sources and press releases.  Jack is that something that is on the horizon.  I know we have discussed this to some extent in the past.  And before anyone starts, that is what they were called back in the 1980s along with Delta.  I'm old what can I say?!

Chris Martin
Chris Martin 5pts

 @OldRGR I do agree that's a very interesting topic, and one Jack has written about, and, I expect, will continue to explore. I do plan to write a third and final part of 'The (Open) Secret' series, and I've seen a handful of requests concerning potential topics. All of them tempt me to share what the planned topic is, but I'm going to keep than a (closed) secret for a while longer. At least until it really starts to take shape...

Recon6
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 @OldRGR

 Hey brother, totally agree!  Good Intel for sure.  However, some of us go back to the '60s !

You are more in line with Arctic Warrior, a really good guy....6

OldRGR
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 @Recon6

 That makes me pops and you grand pops

Recon6
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 @OldRGR

 Lol, yes, and I think  Old SF has us both beat!!,,,,6

DavidGrega
DavidGrega 5pts

this series is fantastic! Great quality work @Chris Martin  Two question about ISA/GREY FOX or whatever it is that they are currently called. 1) Why wouldn't DEVGRU/DELTA not have a small unit of their operators specially trained and tasked with the same kind of work the ISA units perform?

 

2) is there any knowledge of these ISA type units having been used on the UBL raid?

Chris Martin
Chris Martin 5pts

 @DavidGrega Thanks David.

 

1) It seems likely there is (or at least was) some degree of overlap in capabilities (in both directions). But really, all three are JSOC SMUs these days and are intended to work in concert. I would guess the element that most often supports ST6 by performing Activity-type tasks would be the Activity itself...

 

2) Not sure, although I think the sorts of things you are talking about would have more likely been handled by the CIA.

 

And once again, as a general disclaimer there may be others here who can answer these questions much better than I can. I'll always answer them to the best of my ability based on my research and understanding (with some (hopefully) educated speculation), but I make no promises...

jct95
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@Chris Martin @DavidGrega Chris correct me if I'm wrong, but Black Squadron is obviously the RECCE/Sniper squadron - but it also performs ISA type tasks - am I right?

Taskforcegreen
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 @jct95  @Chris  @DavidGrega  They don't do SIGINT/HUMINT operations (or almost never do). That is what makes ISA/TF Orange special. They are Delta/SF operators w/high level comms expertise and are basically spies in every sense of the word...not to mention the best shooters in the business. People think Delta are their go-to shooters, but ISA's shooters ARE Delta/CAG operators half the time...so...

Chris Martin
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 @jct95  @DavidGrega I would imagine there's some overlap in capabilities -- along with some complementary skills. If you'll recall, there was at least one operator from the Activity embedded with one of the Operation Anaconda AFO teams that largely consisted of ST6 and Delta snipers. That probably wasn't too out of the ordinary.

jct95
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Sorry, but Chris I have a question about why DevGru was chosen - in particular Red Squadron( why not Gold, or Black?). As I said earlier, in my opinion DevGru - with the combination of their experience, and the technology that has been given to them - is the most effective military unit in our arsenal but with that said, why didn't the Paramilitary branch of the CIA get chosen to conduct the op? From what I understand, the guys that make up that particular branch are all former Tier 1 Operators - so it couldn't be they weren't up to the task, were they undermanned at that time? Could you elaborate?

Chris Martin
Chris Martin 5pts

@jct95 Black are the recce/sniper troop(s). Gold, Blue, Red, and Silver are all essentially interchangeable assault squadrons. They may have their own distinct personalities in some ways, but they fill the same role and they all choose their new operators out of Green Team in an NFL-style draft, so it's not like any individual squadron should have more experience or talent than the others. Red was chosen because they were available (both for the run-up in the States and then the actual mission) as they had recently returned from a deployment in Afghanistan.

 

CIA SAD/SOG was briefly considered, but really, as much as people like to suggest think there's another, even more elite group of shooters above even Delta/DEVGRU, to the best of my knowledge, such a unit doesn't exist. (And I'm not so sure I'd make the claim that DEVGRU is more effective than Delta. One could perhaps make an argument that they are equally effective, but 'more effective' is pretty bold. And I'd speculate that quite a lot of factors had to be just perfectly aligned for DEVGRU to get the nod ahead of Delta for the UBL tasking.)

 

There are some ex-Tier 1 CIA paramilitary officers and contractors, certainly, but CIA SAD/SOG is not an all-star grouping of the best of the best operators recruited from Delta and ST6. The available evidence suggests that in reality CIA paramilitaries come from a wide range of (mostly) special ops backgrounds, also including plenty of former recon marines, Rangers, non-JSOC SEALs, and especially Army Special Forces. And that actually makes sense as CIA SAD/SOG seems to be more UW-centric than DA-focused.

 

And the evidence also suggests they more often team up with other forces (American SOF or otherwise) than conduct unilateral (kinetic) operations. That is, the ex-Delta CIA paramilitary might be more likely to be on a raid with a Delta team than a dedicated CIA team.

 

So while I'm sure the CIA could bring together a very effective group of operators to carry out a raid, you'd have to think the nation's first choice for such a mission would have to be Delta or DEVGRU, who are at the top of their games for precisely that sort of mission, and prepare for it (and conduct it) on a daily basis. CIA leadership basically admitted as much when they decided to bring JSOC in during the UBL planning process.

 

Disclaimer: All of the above is for entertainment purposes only and is largely speculation based on incomplete research... ;)

jct95
jct95 5pts

@Chris Martin Gotcha' brother, as far as the SAD/SOG paramilitary branch - in all seriousness I think he'll will freeze over before us civvies learn anything about the way they operate. Keep in mind, I'm a civvie in other words I haven't done jack shit but from what I understand many contractors (or Green Badgers) come from, I guess, more varied backgrounds - such as SEAL teams, 75th Ranger Regiment, SF, Recon etc, etc. But as far as blue badgers, or actually Officers within SAD/SOG - they are pretty much all guys who had served within a tier 1 unit. I mean I've heard of officers mentioning at clandestine service briefings specifically say that the paramilitary branch is strictly made up of former Tier 1 operators. I don't know, I guess take it with a grain of salt - but still pretty interesting.

jct95
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@Chris Martin Weird question, but any idea on how much those contracting jobs pay? (Brandon has alluded to the fact that it's pretty big money)

Chris Martin
Chris Martin 5pts

 @jct95  Budget allocations, hiring restrictions, the need to build the ranks immediately, and the fact that these guys already posses the skills they are being hired for are all reasons the CIA might have primarily brought ex-Tier 1 guys on as contractors following 9/11.

 

Honestly, I'm not sure it matters. The aforementioned books authored ex-SMU and CIA officers make it pretty clear that the paramilitary contractors weren't given any less responsibility or deference than the staff guys.

 

My best understanding (again based on incomplete research on a subject that is not well understood) is that while Ground Branch is quite small, it needs to have skills within its ranks that run the gamut of SOF capabilities (with something of an emphasis on UW). And as such, guys are hired (either as staff or contractors) from a wide range of SOF backgrounds to cover their bases. Paramilitaries and missions can then be matched up on a case-by-case basis.

 

And honestly, the CIA doesn't really need its own in-house version of Delta or DEVGRU. Why? Well, increased cooperation and Title 10/50 fluidity mean that Delta  and DEVGRU basically ARE the CIA's de facto direct action force, at least when a situation requires it. That's been true in some ways for decades, but probably more so now than ever.

jct95
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@JackMurphyRGR @Chris I believe you guys, I'm just reiterating what I heard from someone (paramilitary branch is made up of former Tier 1 operators. I don't want to violate OPSEC, but like Chris said before there is a reason that they were hired as contractors (I'm assuming there is) but as far as guys choosing the green badger path instead of the blue badger path - it just doesnt make that much sense to be honest. Is the difference in pay really that great? Is the contractor path that lucrative?

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts

 @jct95  @Chris Not at Paramilitary officers are former "Tier One", in fact there have been times when the majority of them were not.

jct95
jct95 5pts

@Chris Martin Gotcha dude, maybe one day we might see a SAD/SOG e book (crosses fingers) ;)

Chris Martin
Chris Martin 5pts

 @jct95  The actual evidence suggests otherwise... The SAD/SOG Paramilitary Operations Officers whose backgrounds have been detailed in any way post-9/11 have primarily been non-Tier 1 -- Spider/'Greg' was ex-Force Recon, Johnny Michael Spann was an ANGLICO Marine, other Paramilitary Operations Officers described in books by Bernsten, Crumpton, Shroen, etc. were Army Special Forces and so on.

 

And in fact, almost all of the ex-Delta guys who have been known to operate for the CIA post-9/11 ('Dusty', 'Chief,' etc) did so as contractors.

 

And that actually makes a lot of sense for a lot of reasons I don't feel like going into just now. But in brief the CIA's paramilitary capabilities had faded to near non-existance by the time of 9/11 despite all the internet rumors/profile that describe(d) them as a superstar collection of former Delta/ST6 operators (the remnants at the time were described inside the Agency disparagingly as 'forty forty-year-olds').

 

After 9/11 the CIA got (back) into the paramilitary business in a big way and needed people who could execute that mission and they needed to hire them quickly. The way budgets were allocated it was much easier/quicker to hire those types as contractors -- not to mention the fact that Tier 1 guys already have a large % of the relevant training they would have to undergo in the lengthy process to become actual Paramilitary Operations Officers (who also are supposed to have college degrees, by the way).

 

Again, take everything I say with a grain of salt as well. But the credible open source information suggests that CIA SAD/SOG is more about unconventional warfare than direct action and recruits with that fact in mind.

Sleep
Sleep 5pts

I am one of the civvies who always accepted that Delta is, was, and always has been the #1 unit in the world. Over the last 2 months I have read 8 books on the United States Navy SEALs, as well as excellent articles like this one, (and others here on SOFREP) and my perspective has been completely turned around. For that, I say thank you to the warriors who have served and continue to serve, and the warriors that have been lost from the entirety of the United States Armed Forces. You men and women are owed a debt that people like myself can never repay. I keep you all in my prayers. Having said that, it absolutely disgusts me to know that your sacrifices are taken for granted, and worse, by a larger number of people with greater frequency-- and it is increasingly becoming more and more acceptable to ignore the kind of garbage seen here:

 

Facebook Censors Navy SEALs to Protect Obama on Benghazi-Gate

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/10/30/Facebook-Censors-Navy-SEALS-To-Protect-Obama-on-Benghazi-Gate

 

zzz

KevinSVann
KevinSVann 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Sleep DEVGRU ST6 and Delta/CAG/the Unit are both tier 1 units from difference branches and are equally capable at kicking in the skulls of terrorist. I'm sure Delta could of pull off the UBL raid just as good as ST6. With that said, I'm a Army guy myself, so I'm bias.

KevinSVann
KevinSVann 5pts

 @Sleep And just like you, I've been reading a ton on the Seals and ST6. They are pretty badass. 

jct95
jct95 5pts

Chris, I just bought the DevGru e-book and I have to say great job brother. Seriously, amazing. DevGru is in my opinion the most effective unit in the US military, it's great to examine how they operate - and how much they have improved over the last decade or so (The holes that unit once had ;reckless leadership, wild training methods, and their inability to operate on land as effectively as other SOF units; are pretty much gone). Once again, great job.

flhtse05
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Chris, most impressive! Keep it up. My reading list just gets longer everyday. Just received Horse Soldiers and Maylors sniper book today from Amazon. To those of you here who have fought, are fighting in the WOT I thank GOD for you everyday.

StormR
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I'm really enjoying this series!  I'm also finding myself saying 'ahhhh', as it fills in some gaps from previous things I've read.  I had forgotten about the Jessica Lynch controversry.  To be truthful, after I knew she was safe, my focus was  on Lori Piestewa. Although native communities have buried many warrior sons, she was the first daughter to be lost in US combat. The Iraq & Afhganistan wars have changed the structure of American societies in ways we probably won't recognize for years to come. 

 

FoCar
FoCar 5pts

How come all of Red Squadron was sent to the Indian Ocean to take out the Somali pirates? I saw a video on YouTube where a former DEVGRU operator said in total there were 103 guys that jumped into the ocean. I'm assuming some were support personnel but that's a lot of guys.

Cambee99
Cambee99 5pts

@FoCar I believe No Easy Day talks about this. A few Intel guys, some IT, a number of operators, etc. I think it was 2 C17s worth personnel and equipment.

OPR
OPR 5pts

 @FoCar Video?

FoCar
FoCar 5pts

 @OPR http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ7A1kh_Das&feature=g-u-u

 

Seems legit to me, but I could be wrong. 

Canopylight
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 @FoCar  @OPR Well that's the video I mentioned I saw on the Focal Point computers overseas in one of the past articles. I guess I should have figured it'd make it to the internet.

CalebMuibu
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 @JackMurphyRGR  @FoCar  @OPR I couldn't help but notice it Jack.

JackMurphyRGR
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 @CalebMuibu  @FoCar  @OPR Think I will just withhold my commentary on this one.

CalebMuibu
CalebMuibu 5pts

 @FoCar  @OPR Looks like a certain SEAL author makes an appearance during the Pirate rescue jump with a passenger in tow!

Chris Martin
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 @FoCar  @OPR Saw this a few weeks ago. O'Neill's speaking engagements are being directed by the same firm that handles Stanley McChrystal's. 

JackMurphyRGR
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 @OPR  @FoCar I'm assuming its bullshit until further notice.

marbito11
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 @JackMurphyRGR  @OPR  @FoCar

 is this guy the real deal? someone needs to call Don Shipley.

KevinSVann
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Great work Chris. I bought this and the Delta piece on Amazon. Keep it up.

CBSenior
CBSenior 5pts

Worked a lot in Al Anbar in 08-09. Had lots of passengers on one way trips with us. Good guys to work with, did a lot of Home improvements for them as well. What they did allowed us to open up new routes that had been closed for years. Lowered Air Frame usage that was at 110% operational to maintenance. Higher then was able to re-direct those assetts to AG. Small stones in a pond become big wide ripples in the water.

Jaycel Adkins
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Great post, as usual @Chris Martin . 

 

Two questions:

 

1. I am curious, since you have done reports on both Special Mission Units, what is your take on the idea that both units are starting to actually pull away from handling missions that they are uniquely qualified for, namely concerning WMD. Both Units are truly amazing, but there are only so many guys, so many hours in a day, and days in a week. 

 

2. Apologies for the hazy memory, but when Operation Anaconda occurred, I remember reading in a news report that Al Qaeda fighters had the appropriate signals to identify themselves as friendly forces. In your research did you come across that and if so, any idea of how Al Qaeda had access to something as tactically important as that? OPSEC leak?

 

Great post again and want to say I am really happy with SOFREP and you being open to letting us ask questions and getting replies when you guys are able. Much MUCH more engaging than being a passive consumer of MSM and Right Wing Media. 

 

Cheers!

Chris Martin
Chris Martin 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Jaycel Adkins 1. This is something that Ambinder/Grady commented on in The Command. Based on nothing but speculation, I'd guess that, if they haven't already, in the near future they will be somewhat freed up to concentrate on those 'truly special' missions again due to 1) some slowing of operations inside the war zone(s), and 2) the ascension of units like the Rangers who have proven very effective conducting HVT raids themselves. That said, I think if a particular target or raid is considered important enough, even if relatively 'simple,' it'll still probably go to JSOC (think UBL).

 

2. I don't recall that myself, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. There are probably others here who can better answer that question.

OPR
OPR 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@Chris Martin@Jaycel Adkins

Regarding question 1: I think the reason it will always go to JSOC is because of a desire for secrecy (at least until the op goes down) and because decision makers want reassurance that those guys will be able to keep it together in case the op goes south.

 

Even for the UBL raid, decision makers chose the most experienced group of guys from Red Squadron to go.

Chris Martin
Chris Martin 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@OPR@Jaycel Adkins

Yeah -- the UBL raid was exceptional even among 'big' ops simply due to the target individual. Pulling guys from different troops was described as very unusual if not unique. But I'd agree with your assessment -- although personally I wouldn't be too worried about the Rangers keeping quiet. Heck, their precise involvement in the aftermath of the UBL raid wasn't fully detailed until 'No Easy Day.'

 

But I'd guess any op of this sort that's 'big' or 'important' enough where you're going to fly a team in from the States (or wherever) to conduct it rather than use elements already in place will likely remain JSOC territory.

ArcticWarrior
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Another excellent piece Chris, good job on the research and detail.

LauraKinCA
LauraKinCA 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Timely. I am just a bit further in your book Chris and had a question, so before I forget waiting for the next installment, I will throw it out there. You are talking about Extortion 17 and mention that the mission was to reinforce pinned down Army Rangers, and I have heard that as well, but someone has also posted on SOFREP that the Rangers weren't pinned down and it was for another reason. Can't remember the article that comment was associated with. Had you heard anything different?

 

BTW, I am really enjoying your book. Very even handed presentation of the real growth of ST6 into their own.

Chris Martin
Chris Martin 5pts

 @LauraKinCA 'Pinned down' was the initial assessment but that was disputed by a report from journalist Rowan Scarborough. In hindsight I remember reading the report, but it slipped my mind when I put the piece together originally. After Canopylight's reminder, I actually went in and edited the text based on the newer/better information. So the version currently for sale at Amazon, iTunes, etc. has the 'pinned down' claims removed (along with an added bit of information regarding what was apparently taking place prior to the RPG strike). The text here at SOFREP hasn't been updated, however, because Jack is busy enough to fill the schedules of ten men and I didn't want to bother him with every little change to the text I've made for the ebook version (and I've made more than a few since originally submitting it to SOFREP).

 

Here's Scarborough's report in the Washington Times: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/10/fatal-seal-mission-was-not-a-rescue/

LauraKinCA
LauraKinCA 5pts

 @Chris Martin

 <palm smack to the forehead> It would make sense that I read that in your earlier article. So much going on these days, my head is just swimming. If you are still editing it, I will wait a bit before re-downloading. Maybe you can do one last post after the final installment indicating when we should grab the updated version. Anyway, like I said, another good one. Up to date on my review for your first one and will add my next one shortly when I finish it up.

Chris Martin
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 @Old PH2  @LauraKinCA Thank you. Also, with Smashwords I believe it shows you revisions and allows you to pick a newer or older version -- I'm not positive about that, but I think that's how it works. I also get a bigger % cut from them, but it just makes sense for me to focus on Amazon. They're way bigger than all other retailers of ebooks (I'll seriously sell more copies in a day there than at all other retailers combined over a month), and by directing people to Amazon, it helps get the ebook listed higher in their search results, and that perpetuates sales, and so on in an endless loop.

Old PH2
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 @Chris Martin  @LauraKinCA To tell you the truth your earlier thread and the comments about Smashwords has me seriously looking to use them for your next entry in the series.  I like the idea of being able to get it in pdf form as well as still having the option of reading it on the Kindle reader.  Chris your work here has been wonderful, thank you so much!

Chris Martin
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 @Old PH2  @LauraKinCA I have no plans of editing either one any further. Consider them complete.

 

With the Delta one, I recently republished it to include an 'Also by' page with a link to the new one, and I used that as an opportunity to update it with a few things that have come out since I originally published it. Information about these units is always trickling out/coming into focus. I like the fact that it's so easy to update the text with self-published book within hours so that it can always have the most updated information for a reader at the time of purchase. I know other people might not like that idea because it doesn't seem as if it's ever truly finished. Two different philosophies.

 

However, I did request to Amazon to make the Delta one available for people who have already purchased it to update it to the latest version (still being processed), and I will eventually do that with the ST6 ebook too (and other than the 'pinned down' thing, all that has been changed has been very minor -- a couple small typos that slipped through). So if you buy them now, even in the relatively unlikely event that I make further changes, you will be able to update them to the latest version down the line, free of charge.

Old PH2
Old PH2 moderator 5pts

 @LauraKinCA  @Chris Martin I agree with Laura, please let us know when ever you can about edits and updates, I'm still trying to figure out how to apply updates to ebooks via Amazon.  So far your series is hands down the most exhaustive open source reference I've encountered for either of these units.  BZ Chris! 

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts

 @Chris Martin  @LauraKinCA Hit me up and I will drop it in.

Chris Martin
Chris Martin 5pts

 @JackMurphyRGR  @LauraKinCA Will do.

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