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Home » Special Operations » Glen Doherty and Ty Woods, America’s Best Lost in Libyan Consulate Attack

Glen Doherty and Ty Woods, America’s Best Lost in Libyan Consulate Attack

by Jack Murphy · September 13, 2012 · Posted In: Special Operations
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Recent events in Libya have once again splashed into major headlines in the United States after the US consulate in Benghazi was over run and four Americans were killed. Among the dead were US Ambassador Christopher Stevens, Foreign Service Information Management Officer Sean Smith, and two of America’s quiet professionals, Former Navy SEALs Glen Doherty and Ty Woods.

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Glen was a SOFREP team member, our resident Naval Special Warfare editor. Brandon was very close with Glen and had this to say to ABC news about his friend and fellow SEAL, “Glen was a superb and respected operator, a true quiet professional. Don’t feel sorry for him, he wouldn’t have it. He died serving with men he respected, protecting the freedoms we enjoy as Americans and doing something he loved. He was my best friend and one of the finest human beings I’ve ever known.”

While we mourn the loss, Brandon is correct. These were hard men who died living the life that they chose. They wouldn’t want us to feel bad, and certainly would not want our pity.

I was fortunate enough to meet Glen at a book signing that he and I did with Brandon earlier in the year. Even just knowing him as an acquaintance, my impression of Glen was that he was the real deal. Glen was also an example of a quiet professional. There was a part of his life that was public as he co-wrote the 21st Century Sniper with Brandon, but there was also a part of his life that was very private which he never spoke about publicly. Glen’s SOFREP biography was partial, and that is how it will remain.

The vicious murder of four Americans and the over-running of the US consulate reeks of conspiracy, a deal gone wrong, a sudden shift in allegiances, or simply a coordinated attack perpetrated by unknown players.

Once again, American foreign policy decisions are revealed as being fundamentally irrational on a number of levels. While our Soldiers actively fight Islamic extremists in Afghanistan, the State Department and other agencies support them in places like Libya and Syria.

As American Matthew Van Dyke, who we interviewed here on SOFREP, has stated, it is a relative minority of Libyans who are religious extremists. I would extend this argument across the Middle East in some ways, however, it is a highly influential minority with a varying levels of public sympathy, the groups of sympathizers being fairly large in some areas.

As long as people in the Middle East live in poverty and under autocratic rule, there will always be an appeal to extremist doctrines when every other ideology has failed.

While I respect Van Dyke’s informed and experienced opinion, I also feel the need to warn Americans. I routinely meet graduate students in Columbia University who believe that if they can just crack the code, if they can just institute the correct conditions, than American-style democracy will bubble up out of the ether.

This belief is contradicted by direct and recent experience in Iraq and Afghanistan. In this context, American realism needs to be subjected to careful scrutiny. Supporting Al Qaeda and other Islamic extremists in the so-called Arab Spring may seem like cold strategic calculus needed to unseat dictators, but this policy decision is fundamentally insane.

Of the foreign fighters we squared off against during the height of the Iraqi insurgency, many came from Libya. Of those that came from Libya, the majority of them came from Benghazi.

From the Washington Times,

“Prior to President Barack Obama’s decision in March 2011 to support the Libyan rebel uprising and overthrow dictator Muammar Qaddafi, a report released by the U.S. Army’s Combating Terrorism Center at West Point entitled “Al-Qa’ida’s Foreign Fighters in Iraq: A First Look At The Sinjar Records” reviewed intelligence captured by coalition forces that included biographical data on over 700 records of foreign nationals that entered Iraq between August 2006 and 2007.

The report showed that an alarmingly disproportionate number of fighters entering Iraq to oppose the U.S.-led coalition presence there had been recruited from Libya, particularly the cities of Darnah and Benghazi, the present-day site where our embassy was attacked.”

These extremists were among those that America propped up in order to topple the Gaddafi regime. Sometimes the enemy of your enemy is still your enemy, not a friend that you can use in a convoluted divide-and-conquer strategy.

The killing of Glen, Ty, Sean, and Christopher appears to be a horrendous case of blowback.

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MRGRIPTYWOODS
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If you have an interest in donating to the Ty Woods Memorial Account to benefit his young son of 5 months Kai.  Please visit this website:   www.stayclassy.org/tywoods

 

 

JHR
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Not Sure if anyone posted this yet. But this one is for Sean. RIP.

http://themittani.com/news/rip-vile-rat

 

 

BPISecurity
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May his soul rest in peace but his life's story live bigger than ever before.

Corps Hornet Driver
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A very nice article about Glen by his sister.....

 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/19/sister-of-slain-former-seal-glen-doherty-he-loved-adventure.html

 

Very comforting to see the overwhelming support from Winchester residents and others when Glen was laid to rest yesterday.

 

http://www.necn.com/09/19/12/Glen-Doherty-to-be-laid-to-rest-Wednesda/landing.html?blockID=775655&feedID=8498

ColonelProp
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Hmmm - Glen Beck is talking about Glen Doherty today....

WallyZimolong
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I just hope their deaths were not the result of some BS State Department Rules of Engagement for PMC's http://combativeconservative.com/2012/09/15/did-state-department-rules-of-engagement-cause-the-deaths-of-the-seals-in-benghazi/

Icegator
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Good piece on B.W's site.

http://www.brandontylerwebb.com/727/my-friend-american-hero-glen-doherty/

Recon6
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 @Icegator   Thanks bro for posting that, I might have missed it.  He was truly an Awesome person and the world will be less for such a loss.  Godspeed...

Fillmore
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While I have no problem with donating to the Navy Seal Foundation, I know that Mr. Woods had three children including an infant son.

 

Does anyone know if there are any more direct ways to offer support to the families of these men? (maybe a trust for Mr.Woods children, etc?)

MRGRIPTYWOODS
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 @Fillmore www.stayclassy,org/tywoods  donations go directly to his 4 month olds development.  It explains more on the site

Grigori
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It is a very sad day for the SEAL community.I offer my condolences to their families and to Brandon for losing such a valuable friend.

 

For the Brave warriors:

"Like the wind before him,the warrior he came,

 His time is too short but his legacy remains"

mikeyb711x
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I apologize in advance for being long winded.  I’m a regular civilian SEAL wannabe (only in my mind).  One Saturday morning on Coronado near the BUD/S training center I climbed the rope (once while fresh) and touched the top steel while guys in the barracks watched.  I smiled, nodded in respect and jogged away.  At civilian freefall school on Otay Mesa my second side jump instructor was Chief Andy from the El Centro Freefall School, a very nice calm quiet guy.  PO Taz, from Team Five, was out each weekend, think he worked as a tandem master for us thrill seekers, and I believe he was a BUD/S instructor, what a stud of a guy and he was fun, friendly and really good with the people.  The cool guy who ran the loft (ex-Marine E-7) was the son of a small retired CWO SEAL (four tour Viet Nam) who dropped by occasionally and had a cold one with us after the drinking light went on.  Sometimes the SEAL dad would show us a submission technique and we would play around on the wood floors in our socks pushing and shoving, and then he would focus and say, “do you wanna go for it,” I always smiled and said no thank you.  What’s the point you ask, with all due respect to every branch of the military, I guess it’s that I learned to pick the SEALs from the Army and Marine sport jumpers by their calm and quiet confidence, very cool guys each and everyone. 

 

After reading and enjoying dozens of SF Army, Marine and Navy SEAL books, I found Brandon’s “The Red Circle,” and I finally got it, what made all SF guys special and how the SEALs survived training: Their heart, enduring belief in themselves and the emotional toughness that others only dream about.  Brandon was “that guy” in BUD/S, and miraculously he made it through.  Yet, it wasn’t a miracle at all, he pulled it out of himself by remembering his past successes from childhood and youth, he never gave up or forgot who he was and where he came from.  And that too wasn’t enough, he didn’t make into and through the Teams by himself, he did with his friendships, trust in others, and sometimes with guys he didn’t care for, but chose to work with.

 

Then he met Glen Doherty during Third Phase out at Niland for land warfare, and the other fun stuff they got to do.  Glen was staff support, there from the class behind Brandon.  They ended up together in Team Three Golf platoon shortly after that, it was 1998.  Glen distinguished himself for Brandon when after the Team took issue with a “story” Brandon told, they iced, duct taped, etc., shaved him and glued his pubic hair to his face.  Glen stayed behind for hours and helped “clean” Brandon up so he could go home, late, to his new bride.  That sounds like the makings of a new best friend.  They had distinguished themselves in Third Phase, especially in shooting (Brandon had no prior firearms experience) and amazingly both got offered Sniper School after they arrived on probation at Team Three!  At Coalinga, for the shooting phase, they were paired up and the rest, as they say, is history.  Working as a smart tough team, Glen and Brandon got the first part done very well, and were then sent back near Niland for the desert stalking phase.  Brandon figured a novel way (way out of the box) to get within shooting range faster than anyone else.  Glen didn’t think he was doing well so he asked Brandon to show him the tricks.  Brandon was concerned about his good friend.  After Brandon showed him, Glen said “no thanks.”  Although Brandon tied for first place in stalking, he should not have worried about his very competitive and proficient friend, Glen came in second!

 

There were several great pictures of Glen and Brandon together as friends and brothers celebrating their success and life in the Teams which allowed me to get a feel for what great guys they were and it made me wish I knew them both.  Please rest in peace Glen, Ty, Sean and Christopher.  May God grant all of you, your families, friends and team mate’s relief from the grief many of us civilians feel and cannot put into words as we try and support your ultimate gift and our loss?  Thank you for letting me share what little I know about the SEALs I have learned to admire and love.

 

 

-BLACK-
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 @mikeyb711x Thank you. 

Recon6
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 @mikeyb711x  Mikey, I enjoyed reading your comment, even having read the book and understanding the depth of Chief B's love for his brother SEAL.  Thank you for posting and I, personally, hope to see more of you here.    R6

LTmustang
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Tears are sometimes an inappropriate response to death. When a life has been lived completely honestly, completely successfully, or just completely, the correct response to death's perfect punctuation mark is a smile.  Thank you, gentleman.  We will see you on the other side.  Again, Fair winds and following seas, sailors.

BrandonWebb
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These men died like warriors, doing a job they loved and few have the opportunity to pursue.  Let's honor them without remorse or pity. They are surely drinking and laughing it up in the halls of Valhalla.

jeffreycarr
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 @BrandonWebb Absolutely. Cheers, all.

ColonelProp
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@BrandonWebb Since I don't imbide anymore I will hoist a tonic or two in their honor, catch a couple of glorious sunrises as well.

SeanGH
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 @BrandonWebb We honor them without question...there is no remorse or pity.  I think, from all of us, there is just the sadness of their passing.  I could only hope to earn the right to sit with my shipmates in those glorious halls of Valhalla.  

HugeFan
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 @BrandonWebb Yeah, that's a bit of remembrance that I can get behind... I dedicate tomorrow's hangover to Glen and Ty.

IS1FiveO
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 @HugeFan  @BrandonWebb

 I will hoist a few for my fellow Sailors and all who have fallen in the fight.  Bravo Zulu men.

Icegator
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"Fear profits man nothing".......tonight I'm drinking mead Mjød!

ChairborneSmurf
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 @IS1FiveO  @HugeFan  @BrandonWebb I'll be cracking open a few bottles of home brew in their honor.

 

Lo, there do I see my father.

Lo, there do I see my mother, my sisters and my brothers.

Lo, there do I see the line of my people back to the beginning.

Lo, they do call to me.

They bid me take my place on Asgard in the halls of Valhalla,

Where the brave may live forever

HugeFan
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 @BrandonWebb Excuse me, I stupidly left out Sean Smith and Chris Stevens. That was unacceptable and I fully apologize for having them out.

 

I

SeanGH
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 @HugeFan  @BrandonWebb I am about to start working on my hangover in just a few....Cheers Lads...would that we could all clink our mugs together in salute.

davidmandoza
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@BrandonTWebb This pisses me off to no end. I want.... no, I demand some payback.

iceviking
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Deyr fé

deyja frændur,deyr sjálfur ið sama.

En orðstír deyr aldregi

hveim er sér góðan getur.

A very old and suiting viking passage from "Hávamál". 

iceviking
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I´m sorry for your loss Brandon and Team Sofrep. Wish I could say or do something more to make it better.

ThePatriots
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Almost everyone has a dream and most people wish to follow them. Many will never live them and even fewer die fulfilling them. To Glen Doherty and Ty Woods, its men like you that make men like me realize that my best is simply not enough. Your example is second to none. Blue skies and soft landings, you've earned it.

Tango9
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 @ThePatriots When we get there, we'll buy him a beer.

ThePatriots
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 @Tango9 Roger that

CPB
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St. Micheal, I ask you receive these warriors among your ranks. Let him have a few days to rest and see the loved ones waiting for them. Then I ask you to grant their request to stand guard at those pearly gates. How do I know they will ask this request, you may ask? Because they are warriors and stand for all that is GREAT and Honorable under the heavens. And GOD our Father wouldn't have it any other way. HOOYAH!!!

 

SINE PARI

momengineer
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Prayers and condolences to those left behind. 

Tangoshooter
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You do not stand alone brother. We are with you. All who ever held the line and fell alone, facing the enemy. We are with you, and when your end comes, you will join us. And we will stand with the next brother....who stands alone.

 

RIP my brothers.

JonathanChoi
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RIP you warriors. Hooyah!

jeffreycarr
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One of the things that I like most about the old Norse was their belief that warriors killed in battle sat at a great table in Valhalla where they could drink, fight, and celebrate their victories. Cheers, Glen! I hope when the time comes that I die as well as you did. 

BrandonWebb
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 @jeffreycarr Nicely said Jeff.

jeffreycarr
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 @BrandonWebb Thanks. Wish I could be there to lift a glass with you but know that my wife and I are with you in spirit.

EmanuelWazar
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Don't support Dictators.Don't support Extremist.If placed between the two, chose neither and support people directly even if it means paying the price upfront instead of using others by proxy to accomplish your goals./ problem solvedShame good people pay the price for others political games.Those drone strikes that really annoy the local people, but are so "convenient" to political operations? Do they seem convenient now?If we mean what we say that our "enemey" is extremisim, then how about we not hand the enemy free recruitment and an endless supply of social support ?

erinw4
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My condolences on your loss. Prayers are going out to their friends, families, and those whom their lives touched. Thank you for your service.

8trav31
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Jack, how do you deal with the narrow minded graduate students at Columbia? TC

JackMurphyRGR
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 @8trav31 A sense of humor helps!  They are good kids, just sheltered as to what is really going on in the world.

Trango
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 @JackMurphyRGR  @8trav31 As are many college students these days... 

Icegator
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   @HugeFan  @Trango  @JackMurphyRGR  @8trav31 

Yes Sir, I am new, and my comment was directed to your son (with respect). Youth may have the strength to move a boulder, but wisdom from an elder will tell them how to do it more efficiently......and may also tell them what kind of snake is under that boulder about to strike!

Recon6
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 @Icegator  @HugeFan  @Trango  @JackMurphyRGR  @8trav31    Ice, you must be 'relatively' new?  I Am one of those elders, lol

Sometimes I feel dumb as a rock, especially in this evolving miasma of world violence.  If it weren't for the younger people here my head would be spinning listening to the b.s. spewed on news networks.  I can come to SOFREP and be secure in the knowledge there are others that have the necessary information to let me know what is really happening.     6

Icegator
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 @Recon6  @HugeFan  @Trango  @JackMurphyRGR  @8trav31 

Over confidence in ones knowledge is a dangerous thing. Knowledge IS power, but must be tempered with experience, humility and wisdom....and if you don't have that, RESPECT and REVERE your elders! Just listen to them and you may get lucky enough to absorb some of it through their experiences!

 

Good recon is the basis for a any successful endeavor, and our elders ARE recon!

Recon6
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 @ThePatriots  @SeanGH  @HugeFan  @Trango  @JackMurphyRGR  @8trav31    Pats, lol, still kicking ass from the other side of the globe!!  Your Dad sounds a lot like me, I used to iron my sons clothes for school so they would have creases!  Pissed him off when he got older, said clothes weren't supposed to be starched, lol.

Our prayers are with your family till she returns home.     R6

SeanGH
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@JHR @Recon6 There never are words....not really. Good thoughts headed your way JHR...

JHR
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 @Recon6  No words 6. Outa words. Tough one to swallow. I lost m sons father.

 

ThePatriots
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@Recon6@SeanGH@HugeFan@Trango@JackMurphyRGR@8trav31

 Damn. That's a tough one to swallow, sir. You remind me a lot of my dad. He never "spanked" me, but did I ever get my share of PT!!! On mornings before school, he'd swipe his hand over my face. If he felt stubble then I had to drop! Secretly, I loved it and would've gone straight in they were allowed to take 9th graders.

 

When I was 6, I wanted to follow his footsteps like no other. On a side note, my 3 yr old son has a t-shirt that reads "If I could get into the Corps, I would quit daycare!" - Dad is a Marine. My wife and I are Soldiers. My uncle is a Sailor and then we have a few Airmen..the list goes on. Her family is mostly Army.

 

Knowing my luck, my son will join the Coast Guard so no branch is left out. BTW, sir, I'm sorry about your wife. I cannot imagine that. I honestly cannot. As for my wife, she called tonight. They're in country and she's doing pretty good and already gave me a list of things to send her. Typical. She's giving me chores to do from over half way around the world. .And you know what? I'm gonna do them b/c she'll kick my ass if I don't! 

 

Recon6
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 @ThePatriots  @SeanGH  @HugeFan  @Trango  @JackMurphyRGR  @8trav31   Pats, I think my son felt my militancy and no b.s. policies were too much.  His mother was a co'exist person that drank herself to death at age 52.  She never knew he became a Lawyer nor that he preferred her ideals to mine.  I can be overly aggressive, lol, and wear my feelings on my sleeve.

Enough, we wish your wife remain safe and you are reunited soon.    6

ThePatriots
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 @SeanGH  @Recon6  @HugeFan  @Trango  @JackMurphyRGR  @8trav31 My wife and I are from military families and while I realize it isn't for everyone, what we do is for everyone. Kind of ironic how it works out that way, huh?

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 @JackMurphyRGR  @g122  @portside  @Barnes  @Trango  @8trav31 I wish there was another post for this university discussion. I want to only honor the men that passed here. But perhaps, they would welcome this discussion, so I'll chime in.

 

What I have seen at the university level across this country in the past 11 years pertaining to Islamic Studies and Foreign Policy is a tendency towards a belief that  the upsrisings and violence fueled by terrorists were caused by American, British and French interventions upon ME soil and other territories in past history.

 

If you look at the reading materials for these classes, it is astounding that a singular view theme is emerging and students tend to believe what they are taught in school. In a post 9/11 literature class, my son had an A+. he was given a B- in the class due to a provocative paper he wrote as the final. The teacher was shocked that his views did not emulate what the other 78 students thought and went against the teachers thinking. That paper my son wrote was picked up by an agency and read. it was good, objective "stuff'. Nothing derogatory, malicious, not a bad word said about anyone, entity or religion. My point, Our University systems are failing our Youth on some levels. BTW, The teacher of that class took his shoes off before each class and turned each page with his left hand.

 

Tango9
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 @JackMurphyRGR  @g122  @portside  @Barnes  @Trango  @8trav31 Jack is an insurgent!

JackMurphyRGR
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 @g122  @portside  @Barnes  @Trango  @8trav31 There are a huge number of vets at the school, but most of the grad students I've met thus far don't fit what you describe.  I'm not trying to put them down, just warning against some of the faulty and naive reasoning that I hear. 

g122
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 @portside  @Barnes  @Trango  @JackMurphyRGR  @8trav31 

For what it's worth, Columbia graduate students I knew there were mostly in their 30s.  Those doing international affairs often came from former service and active duty, to include SOF with numerous combat deployments. Many graduated Columbia and went right back to war in numerous capacities.  There is/was also a good share of civilian government employees there from other government agencies as well.  These students definitely knew what was going on in the world, and are dealing with it in a very personal way today.  Just thought I would throw that out there.  

 

On a far more important note, RIP to our brothers who put their lives on the lives to protect us.  We owe them a sincere debt of gratitude.    

 

 

SeanGH
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 @Recon6  @HugeFan  @Trango  @JackMurphyRGR  @8trav31 My family has always answered the call... my Dad, older brother, myself and now my son who just recently took the oath.  Honestly I never envisioned my son doing so which has made me all the more proud of him.  I have no understanding of those that look down upon the military but then I am admittedly biased.

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 @Recon6  @Trango  @JackMurphyRGR  @8trav31 True, 6 and I'm sorry that your son feels that way. Hopefully, he will change his mind.

 

I went to college and I enjoyed it. I had my eyes opened to somethings that I wasn't fully aware of and was both challenged academically and socially. Colin Powell was a college kid, once... Point is, like Muslims(LOL) you got your good college kids and your "Jesus-you'were-the-fastest-sperm?"Animal House crowd that think the world owes them something for just showing up. We ALL have to pull our heads out of our asses in on way or the other at some point in life. It's just when we do it; that determines our success moving forward. Nothing profound there, just felt like sharing my view of it.

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 @HugeFan  @Trango  @JackMurphyRGR  @8trav31  Fan, long ago many of us were '18' and perhaps a little older, when we answered America's Call to Duty and volunteered for Vietnam.  My son looks down upon the military, he believes because he has a great education, to include a Law Degree, he is above 'all that'.  How little they know and how little many choose to know.    R6

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 @Trango  @JackMurphyRGR  @8trav31 Yeah, well 18 yr olds fresh out of high school tend think they have all of the answers... that is nothing new and has always been noted since the beginning of civilization.

 

"Youth is wasted on the young" - George Bernard Shaw

 

 

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 @Barnes  @Trango  @JackMurphyRGR  @8trav31 I can add to that notion as well. Too many students I see are just walking around with blinders on. They're oblivious to what's going on right outside their classrooms let alone outside of their own country.  On another note I'm at a loss for words, prayers to the friends and family of these fallen warriors.

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 @Trango  @JackMurphyRGR  @8trav31 Sadly this is really true. Being in college now its amazing how many people have no idea what is going on in the world and simply don't care. Teachers lack of dedication to their job doesn't help either especially in classes that revolve around things like this where it could be useful (Poly Sci, History, Sociology, Etc.)

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