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Home » Special Operations » Why Secretary of Veteran’s Affairs Eric Shinseki Should Resign Immediately

Why Secretary of Veteran’s Affairs Eric Shinseki Should Resign Immediately

by BK · October 14, 2012 · Posted In: Special Operations
General Shinseki, the buck stops with you
The Veteran’s Administration Inspector General has released a report that absolutely destroys the department for spending a staggering amount of money on meetings, gifts, and parties over the course of the last 7 years.

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Since 2005, the VA has held over 1,600 employee conferences, if you can believe it, spending an estimated 300 million dollars.  That works out to a conference every one and a half days.

The most expensive meeting totaled a jaw-dropping 6.3 million dollars…In an ironic twist, the title of this conference was, “Financial Management Training.”

But wait, there’s more! Last year, the VA spent more than 6 million dollars on a pair of “Human Resources” conferences in Orlando. Indeed, the budget for the two conferences, signed off on by the Chief of Staff, actually budgeted the two events at 8 million dollars! I suppose the VA should be lauded for restraining themselves and coming in under budget.

Check out this article on the Military Times and watch the accompanying video, if you can stand it.

This makes the General Services Administration scandal from earlier this year seem like chump change in comparison. This is fraud, waste, and abuse on a massive scale.

Congressmen Jeff Miller and Richard Burr have written a letter to the secretary, retired general Eric Shinseki, demanding answers. They stop short of asking for Shinseki’s resignation, but do ask that his Chief of Staff, John Gingrich, be fired for signing off without critique the 8 million dollar budget for the two events.

Secretary Shinseki should resign. I do not say this lightly, for I recognize General Shinseki has distinguished himself in combat during Vietnam. Indeed, he is a wounded veteran himself, and by all accounts, a patriot.

However, Shinseki either knew about this grotesque culture of waste, and didn’t care, or he didn’t know that the agency he was charged with running was spending more than a quarter of a billion dollars on parties.  (And make no mistake: these were parties, not conferences.) If it was the first scenario, he’s unfit to head up the agency, and if it was the second, he’s incompetent.

The VA is looking at enormous unfunded benefits, with promises made to thousands of troops maimed over the last decade, not to mention all of our soldiers from previous wars. The country as a whole needs to come up with 16 trillion dollars just to get back to breaking even. These federal workers, who receive very generous pay and benefits packages, do not get to have million dollar parties. Want to have a morale party? Spend 200 bucks on a couple kegs of beer.

These veterans of current and past wars have paid dearly, with blood, limbs, and the bodies of their friends. Any government agency with this much waste would be bad enough; when it is the Veteran’s Affairs agency… it is disgusting, deplorable, and a slap in the face to the men to whom you purport to serve, many of whom wait years to get a tiny amount of financial support and long lines at their scarce appointment times.

It is time that the taxpayers of this country start demanding names and firings. I, for one, am tired of the ubiquitous “un-named senior government official” nonsense. I am tired of the re-shuffling of incompetent federal employees.

Something seems to happen to these men when they get to Washington. I’m not sure if it is the corrupting influence of power, the desire to rub elbows with the beltway cocktail crowd, or something more sinister. They forget that they are there as public servants, not lords of the manor. They forget that all of this money is coming from hard-working American taxpayers, who entrust these officials to spend it wisely, while taking their duty of financial smarts seriously, not partying like middle aged frat boys.

As a good friend reminded me, this isn’t the first time General Shinseki has provoked unneeded controversy. Remember the black beret, Rangers? I know some of you still haven’t forgiven the general for that one.

General Shinseki, the buck stops with you. Do the honorable thing, sir… tender your resignation.

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bobosnps
bobosnps 5pts

SHINSEKI YOU PIECE OF SHIT RESIGN U COCKSUCKER AND GET OFF THE TAXPAYERS TEET 

ALL VA HOSPITALS SUCK FUCKIN  WELFARE CLINICS 


THIS COUNTRY HAS GONE DOWN THE FUCKIN CAN!!


3 MORE YEARS OF VIOLENCE MAYHEM AND MURDER UNDER OBAMA PLAN THE VILLAGE IDIOT!!



OBAMA IS EVIL EVIL EVIL!!!!!

bobosnps
bobosnps 5pts

dam fuckin durt bags all of them

DrBobOsenenko
DrBobOsenenko 5pts

I doubt if he should resign and lean toward keeping him. It will take a long time for any leader to change the culture of the VA.It didn't just get this messed up and won't get cleaned up unless the entire system becomes transparent.Right now I am looking at a VA window and notice not one staff member in veteran's outreach has any degree ater their name at the same time a local medical center lists all their staff credentials. So VA is what, twenty years behind? Not one outpatient clinic located in the community has satellite capability while every civilian clinic either has that or video conferencing with its staff. Again, not a cost issue but the VA staff must have the will and passion for quality services. That's not a leadership issue my friend. You can't start and fire by rubbing two Tootsie Rolls together. OPM needs to decide if its time to fire staff and support the Gen.Until that happens nothing else will matter.

jaginyu7malingo
jaginyu7malingo 5pts

JOEL KLEIN is GOD to all us veterans he did a noble and gallant job he told the truth!! Thanks Joel now lets oust shinseki. Shinseki is already planning his getaway with his VA treasure chest of money travel and free perks from the fed!!

dittonmh
dittonmh 5pts

Bullshit.  I ask for your support.  Joel Klein, an otherwise highly respected journalist for Time magazine, recently wrote an article stating General Sinseki should resign.  Bullshit.  I ask you to go on record supporting GEN Shinseki, as I do as a 23 year vetern of the same Army you served in.  GEN Shinseki took on a thankless job when he could have simply retired on his pension and gone fishing.  He was the only senior military officer, then Chief of Staff, US Army, who testified we needed hundreds of thousands of troops if we were going to occupy Iraq, in March 2003 (a war my oldest son served in twice).  I know you served in Vietnam, although you do not brag about it.  GEN Shinseki suffered three wounds in that war.  The call for him to resign is stupid.  Yes, my disability claim for tinnitis (two many main tank gun rounds going off) took 2 years.  It was not life threatening and I received back disability to the date of my application.  The so called unanticipated casualities from Iraq and Afganastan and the wonderful advances of combat medicine meant an avalance of claims upon the VA.  My experience, the VA health care system is second to none, including John Hopkins and the Mayo Clinic.   I will support you in any way I can.

Michael Henry Ditton, LTC, USAR, ret.

formerlt 2LT, Co, B, 4th Bn. 64th Armor, 3ID,

Atrborne, All the way!

BenjaminGoulart
BenjaminGoulart 5pts

Shinseki has only been VA Sec during the last 4 years. So this is an activity that would have been part of the bureaucracy for some time and became ingrained during the last administration.  Sound familiar?  Minerals Management Service? The figures stated works out to about $43 million a year. Since it was the VA's own IG who issued this report from his office, I would think the system is working. People who were involved in excesses, especially those benefitting themselves, seem to be getting fired, but I don't hear any evidence Shinseki did or should have known what was happening. That's a small drop in the VA's total budget and holding large conferences around the country in order to, say, re-educate 6000 people on finance software and techniques would have been more expensive than I think people realize. Just looking at those figures it would not apear to be excessive, especially for a general coming from a military background where expeditures on paper are often large.   They probably weren't spending the money wisely, but let’s not pretend stuff like this can be done for dirt cheap. I understand the mentality of former infantry peeps trying to tell a bunch of suits at a large government organization attempting to train & hold onto not only finance people, but also medical professionals, that all they need is kegs of bear to entertain and motivate thousands of people during a coed professional conference. The firings indicate some people were clearly taking advantage of their spending discretion, including taking personal gifts, prizes, frequent unnecessary trips, and getting high-end catering and fine dining services. But they weren’t throwing raves, hiring masses of prostitutes, and drinking bear out of each other’s asses, either. 

BenjaminGoulart
BenjaminGoulart 5pts

Hah.  Kegs of bear.  Grrrr!

MichaelGraddy
MichaelGraddy 5pts

I am one of these veterans that need help now! I feel as though my life is slipping away and the VA wants to deny my claim because I used the term "Gulf War Syndrome". My VA rep who filled my claim out didn't know they changed the name to "Gulf War Illnesses" that is the reason they denied my clam this last time!!! Now they have been messing with my pain meds and want to give me meds that make me depressed/angry!!I read this article and it makes me MAD!!!Michael Graddy, USAF vet 86-91Here is my page...http://www.gofundme.com/GWI-Gulf-War-Illness

SEAL76
SEAL76 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

It makes little difference who is in charge of what department at the federal level if we don't have a president and a congress that cares. They have to use their oversight power and duty to keep these bureaucrats  in line. The senators and representatives have huge staffs to handle every issue. No excuse for them not keeping tabs on every department. The real problem is that Senators and Representatives for the most part don't really give a shit about anyone but themselves and their big donors. Clean house every election cycle. Always vote against the incumbent. We must impose our own term limits until we can get an amendment passed that limits Senators and Representatives terms in office. The country is a mess because Americans keep re-electing the same people over and over expecting different results from DC. Insane.

Caveman1965
Caveman1965 5pts

Yes,you are correct. The VA is out of control.spending way to much. How can anyone be disciplined if the chief of staff is protected from punishment because he's tight with the secretary. They just want to survive and if Obama gets in again they will resign. Watch what happens in the next few months. Problems will be coming out that we're hidden until after the election.

bkgreenfeet
bkgreenfeet 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @SEAL76 "Always vote against the incumbent" is good advice for everyone.

SEAL76
SEAL76 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @bkgreenfeet  Thanks for your support. We have people  in DC who have served for so many years that they have no idea what the American people need. I don;t think they care either. We need term limits for both houses of congress ASAP.

StormR
StormR 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

And now for something completely different:  The 'government' is apparently even more powerful and thoughtless than we thought - at least this woman thinks so:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKtqM63F7FA&sns=fb

 

shooten
shooten 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @StormR Wow!  That was an amazing audio.  The scary thing is, she probably has a masters degree.

StormR
StormR 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I was still laughing so much, I forgot to give you the title of the video "Deer Crossing Signs".  This is real radio call-in.

LauraKinCA
LauraKinCA 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @StormR

 I was laughing so hard I was crying. Cannot believe that woman was serious!

LauraKinCA
LauraKinCA 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @StormR  @usapatriotonthemove

 "I keep telling them they shouldn't encourage the deer to cross there. They should move the signs to the school crossings!"

StormR
StormR 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @usapatriotonthemove  @LauraKinCA  Can you imagine the conversation with her insurance agent.  "Yes, I just hit my 3rd deer, but I keep telling you it's the governments' fault!"

 

LauraKinCA
LauraKinCA 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @usapatriotonthemove  @StormR

 Unfortunately I don't think she has the smarts enough to rise to the T-pow level - almost like kicking a puppy - but funny!

usapatriotonthemove
usapatriotonthemove 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @LauraKinCA  @StormR  Wow.  Damn, too bad that guy wasn't giving out throat punch awards?  LMFAO!

 

usapatriotonthemove
usapatriotonthemove 5pts

Reading this kind of stuff makes me want to throw up in my mouth.  The fact that this kind of money is given to the VA and then squandered away on party's and not where it should be going, (to care for the wounded) is sickening.  I just ran a Tough Mudder and raised $1,800 for the Wounded Warriors project.  I run road races to help raise money to Vets, and there family's.   I hope to run the one for Glen next year.   It feels really good on all levels for me.  I can only hope that, that these kind organizations aren't doing the same kind of things.  As BW has pointed out with other org's not everyone has the most Honorable intentions.  I don't know much about Eric, accept what I just read, but so far I'm not impressed.  Other than he's respected by others here for serving.

bkgreenfeet
bkgreenfeet 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @usapatriotonthemove Well said; and great job with the tough mudder.  As stated, I don't think Shinseki's a bad guy; on the contrary, he has been right about many things, including tactical decisions in Iraq. However, just as a CEO must answer to the shareholders, he must answer to the taxpayers. If nothing else, it would make this story much larger than it is now, and signal that the days of the dancing shenanigans are over.

usapatriotonthemove
usapatriotonthemove 5pts

 @bkgreenfeet Thanks.  "If nothing else, it would make this story much larger than it is now, and signal  that the days of the dancing shenanigans are over."   Let's hope he drops the hammer and does the right thing, though it may be a little late to save face. We'll see?

 

hjw1dr
hjw1dr 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Just as a side note:

about training costs.

$300 million is a huge cost! But I would want to see what the training included, where, and for who. If it includes CME (Continuing Medical Education) and CE's in nursing and mental health facilities--- that's not cheap. (Especially specialized surgery training techniques (laparoscopy and laser), plastic surgery and reconstruction, burn treatment and infection prevention, implants, and prosthetics -- that's cutting edge stuff and may mean off site specialized training). 

 

If training was done off site, with meal and hotel expenses paid, high cap on daily per diems, and special equipment allowances, then it's WAY too generous. 

 

My opnion? Most training (even professional training) can be done on site (especially in large organizations). Still sometimes you can't bring in specialized equipment on site--(It may only be at University Hospital settings). For this reason, private not-for-profit organizations often cap the reimbursements to Professionals as a way to control costs. 

(The organization will cap a flat amount (usually tuition fees and hotel per diem), and the Doctor or professional will pick up the rest out-of-pocket)

IF the VA isn't doing that... hmmmm

 

On the other hand-- if these costs are for all inclusive extravagant training/seminars for "Administration and Management" fun trips.  Then, well, someone needs to be taken to the woodshed....

bkgreenfeet
bkgreenfeet 5pts

 @hjw1dr I believe most of the costs cited were for "conferences," thus leading me to believe it was just an excuse to have a party. 

hjw1dr
hjw1dr 5pts

Well, then it's off the woodshed, bk :) 

SEAL76
SEAL76 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

Ric Shineski is the boss of the VA. He is responsible for the conduct of his personnel. If they spent millions of dollars partying and other Non VA related activities. He should have known. If he didn't know about this and the atrocious state of VA centers and hospitals he is not much of a boss. He should be canned. Hire a former enlisted man to run the VA. Preferably a CPO, or a Senior NCO from another service branch. They would clean house.

JHR
JHR 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

If we are going to look at this issue, it might be prudent to look at the entire leadership of this ball of wax. Here it is.

http://www.va.gov/opa/bios/

 

BTW, can somebody explain to me why A supposed Person with a degree in Literature was named Secretary of Veterans Affairs? Has this been the norem in the past? What sort of administrations have there been at the VA in the past 50 years? This may/May not be part of the problem.

 

Shineski is obviously a great man. no dount. However, you cannot put somebody in a position such as Secretary of VA just because they have military, personal and ethical merits. I say this from over 40 years of political experience, being around appointees. I've never in my life heard of such an appointment. If Shineski has a tride and true business background, I'd like to hear about it. Otherwise, here is the job description:

 

"The Secretary of Veterans Affairs is responsible for administering benefit programs for veterans, their families, and their survivors. Under the direction of the President, the Secretary exercises authority, direction and control over the Department of Veterans Affairs. The Secretary is a member of the President's Cabinet".

 

The reason folks normally get appointed for positions, is that they are excellent in that particular field. It would be nice to dig in and see the bios of the leaders in this administration. (see first link)

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @JHR Read Greg's posts below.  There's nothing wrong with a degree in lit.  Prior to these events, and based on the information I've read, I think he was qualified for the job.

bkgreenfeet
bkgreenfeet 5pts

 @Tango9  @JHR Indeed, a degree in literature requires a ton of reading, analyzing, and critical thinking. I don't think that was an issue in this case. I believe that it was more, "this is what we've always done here" kind of mentality.

JHR
JHR 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Tango9 Sgreed. A degree means nothing. Qualifications to do a good job mean everything. Thats why I asked about his business background. I'll read below. Thnx.

 

jimfehlberg
jimfehlberg 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

how many Vet,s that are looking for jobs, to keep there homes and which over there family. (drugs, and few other things they can use) and these people have the gall to spent $300 million for parties, shame shame     

shagstar
shagstar 5pts

i was working on Bragg when this nonsense was implemented, the shit i heard in the chow hall's was epic!!  by the way,,i was in the chow hall for lunch because i just helped build the glorious bastard!!  lol

shagstar
shagstar 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

i meant to say,,the beret color change!

marbito11
marbito11 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

the "steak and lobster dinner" happens all the time at all levels of gov and business. however, most businesses catch on quick and fire  the folk responsible. in gov, most of the time they get a slap on the hand (if that).....its pretty fucked up when youre having  a $100 steak and youre comrades dont have prosthetics.

gianas
gianas 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Secretary Shinseki should NOT be asked to resign. (This statement of support comes from someone who, with documented experience, believes that VA mental-health treatment throughout the country is often more harmful and life-threatening than prolonged combat because of the well-maintained incompetence of VA, mental-health providers and an astounding lack of accountability, which characterizes all government agencies, including the VA.) 

 

The “problem” with the VA is NOT with General Shinseki but rather with a hypocritical American culture that, down deep, secretly sees no need for soldiers and has no understanding regarding how to competently “treat” returning soldiers—whether in an airport or on the street, in a home or on a job, in a school or in a VA mental-health clinic.  From where does this huge and hazardous ignorance come?

 

No living American has ever experienced an invading foreign army in every American state. As a consequence of this invisible but damaging lack of experience, most Americans know next to nothing about the realities and consequences of war and therefore give only robotic lip service to the need for soldiers and to the need for competent treatment of soldiers returning from our  politicians,’ undeclared, unsupported, and forfeited wars. 

 

American-civilians ignorance of, and attitude toward, soldiering is behind what’s causing so many suicides among returning soldiers. These suicides will morph into countless homicides as the years progress, because American civilians—not Secretary Shinseki—have betrayed American soldiers. These deaths, too, will be blamed on Secretary Shinseki, one of the few Generals who had the wisdom and courage, honor and loyalty to "speak truth to power" before our “leaders”  decided to invade Iraq. Hold on to leaders with Shinseki’s experience, brains, and selflessness. They're few and far between. When's the last time you met a selfless General?

 

What returning soldiers need most from American civilians is understanding. However, American civilians’ understanding of soldiers is harder to find than you may be capable of imagining, if you’ve never experienced serving honorably in prolonged combat and returned home, multiple times, from what most of your fellow Americans call an “immoral” war for the remainder of your life. 

 

I’ve experienced some of what soldier Shinseki learned and did to keep his men alive in such a war. That’s why I’d bet my life on Shinseki’s leadership—a literal statement not made lightly. Meet the man before you judge him, and leave partisanship in an election year at the door.

 

To lose a man with Secretary Shinseki’s background—including his vital and intimate understanding of the realities and consequences of war—would be gravely detrimental to soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan, as well to all those who come into contact with these veterans in years to come.

 

Greg Gianas

artillery forward observer for paratroop infantry (82nd and 101st Airborne Divisions), Viet Nam, 1968-1969 

 

 

 

 

JHR
JHR 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @gianas Mr. Gianas: I have tried to find the words to reply to you for nearly a day and a half. Please excuse me if I fail to communicate them in the most honorable way possible to you.

 

I would like to thank you for your post on General Shinseki. In my opinion, Your insight is invaluable to this thread. General Shinseki is an incredible leader, an honorable man of the most highest integrity. I believe, he is truly a remarkable man and leader. His work does not go unrecognized, from the Islands of Hawaii to the Halls of Harvard to the boardrooms of Honeywell.

 

I first heard about General Shinseki, through mt Godfather, Aubrey. He was a Navy Doctor and a native of Hawaii. He was 30 years older than General Shinseki, yet he knew of this young man from Hawaii and his accomplishments in the Army. When Pearl Harbor was bombed, my Godfather was on site. After the bombing stopped, there were bodies to be brought up from below deck that were submerged in water. My Godfather had no diving experience, yet he was small in stature. Many of the qualified divers were too emotional to bring the bodies up, this was a devestating day, plus it was a narrow fit to squeeze into the hull. Thus, they turned to their trusted "Doc" and asked him to bring the bodies up. My Godfather agreed, yet they had to give him a 5 minute crash course on diving. Through the darkness of the ships, he dove and brought up every body. He worked as fast as he could, yet struggled with the job. As a Doctor, he knew these men and he knew their families. This is one aspect of Pearl Harbor that may not be recorded.

 

There have been many honorable men who have served this Country. Yet, there have been few 4 star Generals from Hawaii and this made my Godfather proud.

 

I can see how General Shinseki's leadership and business acumen might have worked as a "new type of approach" to leadership in the failing VA administration. However, I do not believe this is the best strategy for the VA Administration. I believe it needs a different type of leader. This does not mean General Shinseki has failed, it means our CIC has failed to put the right man in for the job. I believe General Shinseki should not be publicly thrown to the wolves. This is a disgraceful attitude to take against a man with the highest morales, the highest service record not to mention his vast contributions to the businesses he has served. Including, The First Bank of Hawaii.

 

Often times, people want to Blame the leader. In this case, I agree. I blame our CIC. I do not blame General Shinseki and do not believe he should receive a discharge with sour merit. If there is not a change of CIC in this near election, I believe General Shinseki will resign of his own volition.

 

Thank You again for your posts.

 

engelbrad
engelbrad 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @gianas

Greg,

First and most important. Thank you for your service and my family can't put into words how much we appreciate our Warriors and all that they sacrifice.

I have a some issues with what you have posted.

Post: "but rather with a hypocritical American culture that, down deep, secretly sees no need for soldiers and has no understanding regarding how to competently “treat” returning soldiers—whether in an airport or on the street, in a home or on a job, in a school or in a VA mental-health clinic"

 

Response: I have not served my country nor am I qualified to "treat" returning soldiers. I do however completely understand the need for our soldiers and I try hard not to be hypocritical.  I'm not perfect however I live my life, and teach my children, to have great respect for our Warriors and to always recognize their sacrifice. There is no secret here.

 

Post: "No living American has ever experienced an invading foreign army in every American state. As a consequence of this invisible but damaging lack of experience, most Americans know next to nothing about the realities and consequences of war and therefore give only robotic lip service to the need for soldiers and to the need for competent treatment of soldiers returning from our politicians,’ undeclared, unsupported, and forfeited wars."

 

Response: That is exactly why I am here at SOFREP and read your post. I work hard to better understand the issues, and be effective, as a supporter of our Warriors.

 

Post: "These suicides will morph into countless homicides as the years progress, because American civilians—not Secretary Shinseki—have betrayed American soldiers. These deaths, too, will be blamed on Secretary Shinseki, one of the few Generals who had the wisdom and courage, honor and loyalty to "speak truth to power" before our “leaders” decided to invade Iraq. Hold on to leaders with Shinseki’s experience, brains, and selflessness. They're few and far between. When's the last time you met a selfless General?"

 

Response: I'm not sure what you were getting at with the statement  "suicides will morph into countless homicides"?  I do not tolerate my fellow civilians betraying our Warriors. If I see that or hear that I speak up and loud! General Shinseki is a patriot and is a distinguished Warrior as BK points out in this article. My family celebrates his service. My disgust is with the atrocious spending of dollars, in whatever amount, that the Veteran's Affairs office has wasted.  We need every last penny available to be spent on the well being of our Veterans regarding their treatment and needs.

 

I hope that General Shinseki will take corrective action and continue his patriotism by doing the right thing moving forward.

 

I hope this response finds you well Greg. I hope you find that there are American civilians that truly want to support our Warriors. I hope you deeply feel my families prayers and gratitude. We are always thinking about you even though we do not completely understand the journey and fight you bravely undertook selflessly.

 

-Brad Engelbrecht - Civilian different than you described

 

gianas
gianas 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Brad, I'll need to answer your questions, or implied questions, in public, in published writing. It's too emotional a subject or me to do justice to on a blog.

 

This is only the second time in my life that I've submitted something on a blog space. I'm not a blogger ... I just couldn't allow Secretary Shinseki to become a scapegoat for VA problems, since I view VA problems as mirrors of American culture.

 

Don't think any of his critics have walked in his shoes, whether in Viet Nam or while serving as Secretary of the VA.

 

Imagine being responsible for providing care for one of the most troubled populations on the planet in a culture that likes to think of itself as valuing soldiers. 

 

If you want to correspond by email, give me a call at 425-881-1776. I wrote a long reply I'm not ready to put on a blog.

 

greg

 

 

engelbrad
engelbrad 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @gianas

 I understand Greg.

I don't want to upset you at all. I just want you to know that there are those of us civilians that care deeply about our soldiers and try our best to help out our Vets. I appreciate your thoughts and your position. I hope you have a great evening and thank you again for your service and my freedom!

bkgreenfeet
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 @gianas Also Greg, a "scapegoat" by definition is usually an underling who the guy in charge throws to the wolves by putting all the blame on him. When you ARE the man, the term cannot be used. He is in charge, the buck stops with him.

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@gianas Thanks for the post, and it's apparent that you served with him. However, the facts remain. I can't reconcile $300M in partying while I'm dealing with PTSD kids who can't get help from the VA. He's in charge. Period.

Tango9
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 @gianas There's a Japanese saying that I can never get correct about the man standing before you is not the man of yesterday or some such (I always mangle it).  I've found it to be quite true.

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 @gianas I appreciate your reply Greg.  I've seen good leaders go down for things that happened 2 or 3 levels below them; on more than a few occasions.

 

As I form my opinion about this I will keep your judgement of his character in mind, for certain.

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 @gianas  @Tango9 That's why I went out of my way to show respect for the man. However, as stated, it is high time for the bosses to start accepting responsibility. I believe Shinseki is a fine individual. But, this was a major failing, and as the head of the department, he should step down, regardless of past accomplishments or personal feelings.

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 @Tango9 Tango9, I agree with you, generally, but there could be exceptions.

 

When I'm convinced that Shinseki isn't an exception, I'll make my view public.

 

Apparent crimes from a distance may not be clear crimes, or crimes at all, if you're there at "the scene."

 

Knowing a little about where that man's been (and I mean a little), there's no way I can stand by and watch him get slammed and remain silent.

 

Here's something that might sound small to you, but it's "big," mighty big, to me: General Shinseki didn't get an advanced engineering or business or logistics degree. Instead, he got a Master's degree in literature and taught literature at West Point. Often, people who teach literature, by nature, have exceptional empathy. That's the nature of interacting with literature: putting yourself in the place of someone else. I believe Shinseki can do that quite well, exceptionally, unusually well. That's a needed trait to be the kind of leader I'd follow; and there are very few people I'd follow anywhere.

 

Second, he's married to the first woman he married. I believe that the highest form of intelligence can be revealed by whom someone seeks as a mate and life-long love and companion. The man radiates honor and loyalty.

 

Just like what happened in Libya with our ambassador, a couple former SEALs, and a computer programmer, neither you nor I know the full story yet. I wouldn't try to grab a loose fish in a food frenzy of sharks, and I can't imagine a larger "S"-detail than being Secretary of the VA.

 

Unlike most Generals I've met, General Shinseki (from my perspective) is not a hotdog, like Patton (under whom my father served); that is, Shinseki  would not run over his grandmother to raise his rank or prestige. General Shinseki has a humility that has been mistaken for old-foggy passivity by arrogant idiots, such as D. Rumsfeld. Don't underestimate a relatively silent man who, by nature, avoids the limelight.

 

The man has not broadcasted what he's accomplished or allowed his subordinates (as far as I can tell) to blow Shinseki's horm. That makes him a rare bird, an endangered species, who needs to be judged in the context of all that he's handling, and not a few weeks before a Presidential election.

 

greg

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I did a little research on this. This article has some good information... http://www.washingtonguardian.com/va-vacation.

 

The Dept. of VA is budgeted to spend approx. $140 Billion in 2013, so $6 mill. is about 0.3% of next year's budget. 

 

The training was for 1,800 employees, and a study found that of the $6 mill. spent, about $700k of it was "wasteful."

 

However, $6 million for training of 1,800 employees sounds pretty damn high to me.  That's about $3,300 per person on training.  I'm in a profession that requires continuing training, and I can get it for about $200 a year.  Less if I really want to, and I would be in a position to really want to if I were working for the VA. 

bkgreenfeet
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 @50run50gun Did you watch the videos at the links provided? Did that look like "training" to you? Or did it just look like a good time trip?

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 @bkgreenfeet I could only stomach watching the first few moments of one of the videos. I can imagine what goes on at these types of conferences.  Somebody gets up in front of you for most of the day blabbering through some powerpoints (in this case General Patton - WTF?).  You eat yourself silly on the free food and free snacks all day.  I used to go to similar "trainings," annually with the public firm I was at.  At the end of the week, thousands of dollars were spent and I could write everything I learned on the back of a small envelope with a crayon. 

 

To sum it up, they probably could have learned more in a 1/2 hour meeting.  Throw in another 1/2 hour of self study they would have learned 3 times as much.

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 @50run50gun Re Training, I would want to see a breakdown on why they trained before I make a judgement call.  What jumps to mind is that recently my agency moved to an online personnel system - payroll, applications, HR records.  The training costs for the HR and Finance department staff were huge, and then there were training sessions for management and supervisors.  In the long run, the system will pay for itself and the trainings were absolutely necessary, but on paper, it sure looked bad.  Much of the HR and Finance staff had to travel to get the required training.   I know that there's been a lot of talk in the newspaper about new electronic records, online hospital records, tracking systems, etc. for the VA.  If some of the training costs relate to new systems, then it seems sensible.  Sometimes one has to pay up front for future efficiencies.  I would be interested in seeing their annual training costs to see if there is a spike or if it's just business as usual.  There is some value in specific positions attending specific conferences related to their field, but again, we're not seeing any details and the conference train may be running at full speed with no engineer driving it.

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 @StormR  @50run50gun In larger organizations, it's cheaper to fly in the trainer on sight.  Do the training on site, get immediate feedback, keep costs to a minimum and reduce number of hours away for employees. 

Just one more cost effective approach for technical training (computer programs, new billing software, and intake office procedures) 

But that isn't as much fun as going to Vegas. :)

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 @50run50gun I think we need more information on this. I'd like to see what the 140 Billion is slated for, this figure scares me. How much was given last year? I heard there was a cut in the works for the upcoming year. If they are getting less, how long can this go on? If they are getting more, how are they going to fix this system. I keep thinking the entire system needs a ground up rebuild.

 

Whats appalling to me, is that somebody could sit at a desk and consciously shred a Veterans claim. Thats tantamount to faKing a  Passenger Jet maintenance report and sending that Jet into the air with people on board. I understand the shredders were under pressure to save their jobs from work overload and a boss to be held ccountable to; but I hate to say it, I think we need some whistleblowers to come forward. There is so much waste in the VA, I'd like to hear about it from people that work there.

 

I can't imagine even wasting a dollar of monies that are supposed to go to a Veteran. Maybe I am too frugile. It seems really materialistic to spend this amount of money at conferences.Did the article mention-Gifts? How can you give gifts when there is a line waiting for help?

 

 There has to be a more streamlined way to bring workers up to speed. Skype comes to  mind. For anyone that knows the value of a dollar, this is a pure waste of money.

 

gianas
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 @JHR  @50run50gun JHR: Your description of your Godfather is hauntingly beautiful and powerful. It should be published for a wider audience. Heritage, in this case, is worth remembering and sharing.

 

My loyalty to Shinseki remains. I have no doubt, if he becomes aware of a serious problem—and his hands are not tied—he will address the problem quickly and effectively. Nevertheless, changing a culture that it took 200-plus years to make isn't going to happen overnight, or even in a decade.

 

Having Shinseki leave will not fix the accountability problem in the VA, or in any of the other government agencies or branches of government, including the Congress and Senate, all of which have no accountability to those they claim to serve, (as I've experienced them since 2005). 

 

I'll supply concrete and unbelievable examples, publicly, by March of this year, if not sooner, with regard to the VA, the Congress, and Senate.

 

The VA financial problems described in the article are only the proverbial tip of the iceberg. The VA problems are a mirror image of an American way of life that few Americans seem capable of acknowledging is an American, self-centered, "conspicuous-consumption," way of life.

 

 Living beyond our means, while denying reality with hubris, is "where" we are, nationwide and worldwide. We Americans act as if we think throwing money at something will make it better, as though we're spoiled and shallow, rich kids who have more money than brains.

 

I repeat: Shinseki is not "the problem" and making him leave is not a wise solution.

 

Admitting that, as a culture, we all participate in the SNAFUs the VA maintains is what will help Americans "begin" to understand the "American" problem so well reflected in the VA situation.

 

Correcting the "American" problem will involve sacrifices I doubt that Americans, or any other culture of humans, will make, until forced by the face of  tragedy. (It took people to be killed at the end of my street before a stoplight was installed. As Thomas Jefferson wrote in the "Declaration of Independence":  "... accordingly, all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.")

 

One problem with the VA situation is that there's no draft and less than one-half-of-one-percent of Americans serve in harm's way. Hence, the overwhelming majority of Americans don't know the name of a single person who's served in a combat unit in Iraq or Afghanistan.  

 

Yet, most Americans have heard of Lindsay Lohan and what she did last night, but who do you know who's ever heard the names of these people even mentioned, much less seen a glimpse of light shed on what they did: Salvadore Grunta, Robert Miller, Jared Monti, Michael Murphy, Paul Smith, Jason Dunham, Ross McGinnis, Michael Monsoor? 

 

I rest my case regarding Americans' actual view of soldiers and veterans and why we want to punish someone else, like Shinseki, for not being who we think we are.

 

greg gianas

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 @JHR  @50run50gun Re Skype...my public agency now does the majority of it's standard training online.  We have 19 buildings spread over 1700 sq. miles.  The employee can attend the online training in their own building, at a time of their own choosing.  We have saved a great deal of money in mileage reimbursement and staffing with substitutes while someone is off doing training.  However, many places that we receive training from charge a 'site connection cost', so sometimes it is still more economical to have staff come to one site for one charge.  We are now moving to holding meetings online.  The initial costs for equipment (partially due to our network) are high, but again, it's considered an efficiency for long-term. 

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 @JHR  @50run50gun  @StormR

 I don't follow Cisco that much other than they are also a client of ours, but I can see them saying that in their interests. I can see it replacing land lines, but not cells at this point.

JHR
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 @50run50gun  @StormR We do that in a business, then depending on the corporate structure, are mandated to meet once a year.

 

JHR
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 @LauraKinCA  @50run50gun  @StormR Laura-didn't Cisco make the prediction that all social media, would be by video  by 2013-2014? I think they were referring to telephones as well. Rupert Murdoch was talking about phones becoming obsolete, that we will be communicating via skype and newer programs in the near future..

 

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 @50run50gun  @StormR  @JHR

 There are lots of options nowadays. Cisco has this Go to Meeting thing where you can view the host/moderator's desktop and whatever files they put up at the same time you are on a conference call. Doing that quite a bit these days for design team meetings for work.

50run50gun
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 @StormR  @JHR Storm, I saw a show, I think it was on PBS, a while back talking about how IBM holds international meetings.  They actually have people log in to an environment like second world, and sit there and attend the meeting in a video game (office in a video game).  Sounds crazy, BUT IT'S CHEAPER than flying to a common destination!  You're spot on. 

 

Stepping away from the keyboard before I go into a fit of uncontrollable shaking.

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 @JHR  @50run50gun JHR, the gifts thing is a real head-scratcher for me.  I work in a public agency and we cannot give gifts because in State Law, it would be considered a 'gift of public funds'.  For our Longevity awards, we actually 'sell' snacks & treats in staff rooms to fund gifts given to employees for longevity awards, and the gifts are very small.  If Federal law doesn't cover 'gift of public funds', it sure ought too.

hjw1dr
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 @vbiersch  @50run50gun  @JHR  @StormR  I think you'd need a complete new management team that would come in on this. I could think of a few people that might be able to pull it off, but they would leave big craters behind that would need to be filled. :)

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 @hjw1dr  @50run50gun  @JHR  @StormR

 Back in 2002 I got called back to turn around a stalled PLM (Product Lifecycle Management) implementation between EDS, and Bally (Alliance gaming systems) that had stalled for lots of political reasons.

 

I was able to turn it around, and get everybody to sign off on it after putting together a plan for a "phased" implementation that would give us the ability at every phase to cancel if they didn't deliver.

 

Worked like a champ.

 

Problem was, it was my first forray into the political arena and I found somebody stabbing me in the back all the way through the project and I wanted that "person" off the team.

 

I had a lot of personal issues at home in texas (mother had cancer, girlfriend refused to move back to vegas, etc.) and I finally told them that I didn't need this crap.

 

In hindsight, a fellow (believe he was a marine) told me that this wouldn't be the "battle" that he would choose.

 

Back then I was very naive about things like that, and after ten years of thinking about it, he was right, especially since for the most part I haven't found gainful work since then <grin>

 

I could turn around the va problem as I'm enough of a asshole to do it, but you are right in that every manager there is protecting his turf and it would be an interesting battle.

 

Being unemployed for nearly ten years I would relish the opportunity, but because I can't even get hired by the va hospital for a cooks helper position, I don't think I need to worry about it....

 

On a serious note.

There are good people in there.

You just need to find out a way to raise the morale in a demoralized group of people.

hjw1dr
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 @50run50gun  @JHR  @StormR  I'm not sure you could pay anyone enough to take on a thankless job bound to anger just about everyone in the VA - and piss off the unions while you're at it.

Talk about Gator Hunting!  

(Every department head has their only little kingdom in a behemoth like the VA. And I suppose the union contracts are designed to make it impossible to fire employees)

I get a headache just thinking about it. :) 

JHR
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 @50run50gun  @StormR Shineski might be an incredible leader, he just may not be "right" for this job. We need somebody to understand the needs of our troops, but we also need a head top notch administrator as well.

 

50run50gun
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JHR that's hilarous.  Sounds like your son has his priorities straight.

50run50gun
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 @JHR  @StormR I agree with you JHR, we need a business minded executive to cut the fat out.  Think about the word "necessity."  Flying people to Orlando is not a NECESSITY.  Yes, it CAN be done much cheaper.  Have a webinar, email the power point, print and read some fucking literature. 

 

There's too many more important ways to spend the money. 

JHR
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 @StormR  You will appreciate this Storm. My sons' Bday is coming up in 3 weeks. He looked me in the eye and said "Mom, you know what you should get me, a Glock". I looked at him and said "You know what, you can give me a 1.5 more years of a 3.75gpa or better and after you head to enlist and finish your ROTC, I'll get you a glock".  College is his present. Jeesh.

 

JHR
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 @StormR  @50run50gun I have had a non-profit farming enterprise for a long time, along with a for profit farm enterprise. My dad used to call the one, the "non-non-non profit".  Everything was in the red for a long time. It took me over 5 years to turn that around. Even w/a head for business, a science degree, etc...I went back to a SBA business program to turn it around. Also, founding 2 medical non-profits, I know the amount of work involved. If I ran a business like the VA, I would be shut down.

 

My point is, I think this may need a really awesome person, with an incredible track record in business, to overhaul this system. We also new doctors DESPERATELY.  I sure as heck don't see any other way to get this done. I don't care if the salary is huge for a top administrator, in fact, make it "incentive based",  just get him/her in there, get this thing turned around, then they can leave in 2-4 years. Spend the 6 million that way.

 

Men and women are dying, they need help now, not 6-24 months from now. I sold part of the farm to deal with this issue. I am working on the "saving patients lives and getting them off disability and back into work" part for those patients that fit our subset. It will take more private companies from people who are NOT charging and have deep empathy, plus  county programs, plus some savvy outstanding businessmen to get this right. It is going to need to be a 7 pronged approach sort of thing. Everyone pitching in.

 

I was sad to hear Jack and others describing "the gravy train" situation. I think those should be weeded out and sent packing.

 

My son was put on disability at a young age, when he started to get better, I said "the 1st thing you will do, is get your mind back, then your body back and prepare to work and get off disability-even if you can't use your body but can use your mind-do it". I know many patientsthat  have CNS or severely debilitating physical conditions and can't work.

 

But for those that can heal with progressive treatments, I hope to see them back in the workforce. BTW, every CNS and TBI patient I have met with clearly states "I want my life back, I want to be well, I want to work". They are humiliated at loosing their lives.

 

50run50gun
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 @JHR

 2013 Dept. of VA budgeted spending is outlined on p. 171 (175 of the actual PDF) at the link below.

 

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/budget.pdf

JHR
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 @50run50gun Thank You. I glanced at the figures, off the top, VA should not be doing any research. I think, looking at their prior track record, they should leave that to the private sector. That saves nearly 600 million dollars. Then, looky at administartion costs, no wonder claims are not getting processed, their figures look low to me. Why are housing loans going down? We should be investing in our veterans and loaning more on houses. There is somethng wrong with the "medical care numbers", that is outrageous and where some of the problem must lie. As, there is no way patients are receiving that much care. I can see why they are in troube, the disability outlay needs to be quadrupled at least. and 2 billion for technology? REALLY? Jeffrey or Corialanus might be able to talk about those features. Those numbers look to be scattered. Maybe somebody can make better sense of them than I can.

 

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