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Home » Special Operations » So, who wants to go to Ranger School?

So, who wants to go to Ranger School?

by Jack Murphy · February 13, 2012 · Posted In: Special Operations, USASOC
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Yeah, a lot of that going around apparently.  According to Ft. Benning’s newspaper, The Bayonet, Ranger School is struggling to fill its openings for Army Sergeants.  This is surprising, as Ranger School was essentially established to train Army NCOs in infantry tactics and leadership before sending them back to mother Army.  In this way, their new skill sets would diffuse amongst soldiers throughout the entire military.

The Bayonet is now reporting that Ranger School is experiencing a deficit of over 80% for the number of NCO’s who should be attending, a number that is only expected to grow.

Ranger School is regarded by many to be the Army’s toughest training course.  “Not for the Weak or Fainthearted”, as the sign says as you approach Camp Darby at Ft. Benning, Georgia.  Wearing the gold and black Ranger Tab on your uniform is a point of pride, an indication that you met the Ranger standard, leading patrols through mangrove swamps in Florida and the Appalachian mountains in Dahlonega, Georgia.  All patrols must receive a passing grade while under the diligent supervision of Ranger Instructors, or RI’s.

So why doesn’t anyone want to go to Ranger School?

For one, 10+ years of war have taken their toll.  If you were a young Sergeant who just got back from a year long deployment (almost certainly not your first), how would you go about explaining to your equally young wife and children that you are going to disappear for another two months to attend a school that they could care less about?  The training might be important, but that doesn’t make it any easier on a family that hasn’t seen you for 12 months.

Many Sergeants have now experienced war up close and personal.  Why do they need to go to a notoriously difficult and challenging training course between actual combat deployments to receive “combat” training?  I know that Ranger School has taken steps to keep up with the times and conduct training that is current and relevant to the modern battlefield (and I believe it is, as I will get to in a moment), but I wonder how many Sergeants are slapping a combat patch on their right shoulder and calling it a day?

Also, I think that quotas really disenfranchise soldiers and turn them off to what is otherwise invaluable training.  I know, I know, Ranger School doesn’t have quotas.  Okay, now let’s be real.  There are quotas.  Everyone knows that if you end up in the back of the line during the PT test the first day that you are toast.  The RI’s have filled their quota and are looking to cut the guys towards the back of the line.  I remember when I had my PT test and the RI stood there looking down at me counting my pushups, “Zero, zero, zero, zero, one, zero, zero, zero, two, zero…”  I had to do something like a hundred push ups when the standard was actually fifty.  No use in complaining about it of course.  Man up and get it done, but I think that Sergeants who hear these stories from their peers (and they do) get turned off to Ranger School.

So why should you go to Ranger School?  In my case, it was mandatory, Rangers in the 75th Ranger Regiment have to graduate if they ever want to have a leadership position.  We were told that we had two years in Ranger Battalion, and after that we either had a Ranger tab or we would be Released for Standards.  That said, I do believe in the importance of the training that is done at Ranger School.

Ranger School teaches basic infantry tasks and tactics, students conduct battle drills, ambushes, and raids until these maneuvers are deeply ingrained in the individual soldier.  Over time, these actions become as natural as eating food.  You don’t think about cutting your food, stabbing it with a fork, and putting it in your mouth.  A graduate of Ranger School can never really forget how to lay in an ambush or conduct a react to contact drill, they are too thoroughly trained.  This is training in a classical sense; There are no short cuts or easy answers.  Students have to do the work.

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“We are losing the discipline of rehearsals, Pre-Combat Checks and Pre-Combat Inspections undefined common core NCO tasks the school teaches and reinforces undefined because we don’t have the guys coming to the course,” says Command Sergeant Major Dennis Smith, the Ranger Training Brigade’s current Sergeant Major.  Ranger School instills the need for doing things the right way and teaches soldiers the discipline they need to survive in combat.

There isn’t always a direct correlation; The objectives at Ranger School don’t look like the objectives you hit in Iraq.  This is what you have to understand: The Army can teach you tactics, but as a Squad Leader, it is your job to adjust those tactics and adapt them to your environment.  The raids I did in Iraq with the 75th Ranger Regiment were vastly different from the training I received in Ranger School, but at the end of the day, all the tactics we used in combat were simply variations of the raids we did in Florida Phase of Ranger School.

I was in Ranger Battalion and in Special Forces.  I went to HALO school, attended the high-speed civilian driving and shooting schools.  They were fun, but not nearly as important as the basic Infantry tactics that you learn in Ranger School.  Mastering the basics is far more important for soldiering than the fun training that you see on television or in the movies.  Enlisted and Junior NCO’s should be fighting each other hand over feet for a Ranger School slot.

No, I don’t think that a Ranger tab is the end all be all.  Neither is a combat badge.  For a lot of folks, it is a five-letter fashion statement on their uniform and that’s the wrong answer.  It doesn’t make you better than anyone else, it makes you better trained, and when things get ugly in combat fellow soldiers are going to be looking to you for a decision.

Think about it.

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Riceball
Riceball 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I wonder if the solution to this would be a Ranger (Light) School, a school that teaches a lot of the same stuff that you'd learn in Ranger School but maybe a bit shorter and less intense, something like the Marine Corps' NCO schools but with more of an emphasis on infantry tactics. To encourage NCOs to attend make it mandatory after a year or so of picking up NCO status (Sgt. in the Army?) otherwise kiss picking up Staff goodbye. By calling it an NCO school I also think that you'd get rid of some of the stigma/baggage that you get with the name Ranger School because I think that (maybe) there's a segment of the Army that thinks they don't need or don't want to go to Ranger School because they don't want to be a Ranger and/or don't care about earning a Ranger tab so they'd rather not put themselves through the hassle or torture for piece of fabric that they feel doesn't make a difference or is of little to no benefit to them.

 

Another idea, at least for as long we're in the middle of a war, is to make some form of Ranger School type training a mandatory part of an NCO's pre-deployment training. Some time before an NCO's unit starts its work ups for deployment, the NCOs and the promotables attend a course that teaches a lot of the same things as Ranger School, stuff that they can then take back to their units and practice during their pre-deployment work ups and (theoretically) should be really solid by the time they actually deploy.

Connor31
Connor31 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Riceball I see what you're saying. The only thing that bothers me about Ranger School is that  Soldiers think they have earned the right to call themselves Rangers once they graduate. The title is taken too lightly and used too frivolously among regular Army who want the name without the sacrifice. I wouldn't have a problem with conventional guys attending a less intense leadership school as long as they don't earn a Ranger tab and they don't call themselves Rangers then I'm happy.

BDW
BDW 5pts

Curious...are there slots for non-infantry NCOs/Officers?

OdinActual
OdinActual 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Perhaps filling Ranger School would be done faster if more slots were offered to sister services, specifically Marine Corps. Both Services have a great amount of knowledge and skills to share with the other, however it is rarely done. Many Sr LCpls and Junior Cpls would benefit greatly from Ranger Schools knowledge.

Riceball
Riceball 5pts

I think that's an awesome idea, you'd probably get a lot of Marine 03s who'd go just to try and prove that they're better than their Army counterparts. I think that the cross-pollination of knowledge between branches would be a good thing, at the very least it should probably lessen inter-service rivalry with the ideal outcome is that the students come away learning something new and useful from their sister services.

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts

Not a bad idea...

OdinActual
OdinActual 5pts

@JackMurphyRGR Good luck getting it across to the brass though... Too much inter service rivalry BS. Not to mention, with the war SUPPOSEDLY drawing to an end, Army will have no problem filling slots once the op tempo slows down.

Canopylight
Canopylight 5pts

Another reason guys don't want to go to course is because you come out of it like a bag of shit. CDQC is probably regarded as harder. Given a lot of guys don't want to go to that one either, but at least you come out of it fit and not 50lbs lighter and unable to bench a set 45lbs plates.

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts

@Canopylight I doubt that the reason why Sergeants are not going to Ranger School is because they are afraid of losing their beach body...

Canopylight
Canopylight 5pts

@JackMurphyRGR

Maybe that's just me and I'm not necessarily talking about your beach body though that probably is more important to us 1/75 guys. It just sucked knowing you were at a high level of fitness, and upon graduation it would take a couple months to get it back. But before I went, seeing your former Private buddies come back, that was what I begrudge the most. You still of course went because you needed that damn tab. But that tab isn't nearly as important elsewhere in the Army. They don't smoke your balls and do tab checks when you don't have it.

pitt03
pitt03 5pts

 @Canopylight Actually I remember in my light infantry days this was indeed a factor for some.  One of the guys in my squad was a beast and stood at around 230lbs on a normal day.  When he came back to the platoon wearing a tab, he weighed in at 185lbs and looked sickly.  Even in a unit that literally forced guys out the door to Ranger school, this was something that a lot of guys just didn't want to deal with.  

Dman
Dman 5pts

I was an RI for 4 years and there are no "quotas". An RI didn't give a damn how many students passed the PT test, and didn't start failing people because the class was full. The first week was always enough to naturally weed the numbers back down without an RI having to screw anyone over.

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts

That's a message you might want to help get out there a little more. Every Plt CP or Team Room I've ever been in disagreed and we always coached our Soldiers going to the school not to be the dumb ass at the back of the line.

Dman
Dman 5pts

@JackMurphyRGR I agree, bad info out there. I was the NCOIC of the APFT and I NEVER briefed my graders to start being harder at a certain point. I had senior guys walk the line and I even pulled a couple graders over the years for not grading properly. Junior guys were on sit-ups, more experienced guys on push-ups. As far as being overly strict, yes that happens (90 push-ups to get to 52) but it never had anything to do with trying to get the numbers down. I saw 100 man classes and 450 man classes, and normally we sent about the same amount to Mountains.

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts

I suspect that the PT test wasn't being run as professionally when I got there in 2004, but I hope that has changed since then.

Dman
Dman 5pts

@JackMurphyRGR 89-92

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts

I'm glad to hear that someone was really maintaining the standard. What time frame did you work at RTB? I graduated in class 04-04.

Tango9
Tango9 5pts

I think you hit it square on, Jack, when you said that most NCOs have been deployed multiple times, spent years on end in the shiznit, so they're asking themselves "what's the point?" Now, I know what the point is, and you make it clear as well: You need to learn how to do things the right way, and the school teaches that. The danger is that potentially, an entire cadre of NCOs are now out there thinking their way is the right way and they are training their troops according to their experiences. The long term impact of this is you create a soup sandwich of bad ideas or good ideas poorly implemented.I don't know what the fix is, but it's sure as hell going to be a problem down the road. I've seen it happen.

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts

@Tango9 I think there is a middle ground. Sometimes the School House becomes overly academic and not very well grounded in reality. I think some of the stuff that I experienced in Ranger School needs to be revamped but there is still a lot of value in the training. Also, with RI's now being combat vets themselves, I think there is even more potential for Ranger School be be a hardcore Infantry school that teaches the practical application of weapons employment and infantry tactics.

Tango9
Tango9 5pts

@JackMurphyRGR You're right in that the schoolhouse can tend to lose the sight picture. I think we've all seen that happen. Nonetheless, you have to almost treat ranger school as PME for your NCOs. How many combat units don't have someone with a ranger tab in them? None. Now I'm AF, so we don't have an equivalent school, nothing even remotely close, our NCOs are allowed to fail like it's cool. (our PJs, CCs and TACPs excepted). Every NCO wearing a uniform, regardless of branch, needs to be a master of fields of fire, defensive tactics, reloading, cover.. on and on, and it's absolutely not the case. 13 years in the AF and I'd trust 2 of my brethren to cover my arse. 2. 13 years. It's that bad.

BDW
BDW 5pts

Curious...what about slots for non-infantry soldiers both NCO/Officer?  Is there room for them?

EmersonMaine
EmersonMaine 5pts

Could an answer to the lack of attendance be a one time bonus for completing the school? Say $1000 for earning a tab, but only have the bonus exist for a few years. That way you can entice the NCO's who don't see the point after multiple deployments, and then once our conventional forces are home, the school might be in demand enough to discontinue the bonus.

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

@Tango9 It's always a fine line. Back when I went to Ranger School in 2004 the differences between training and combat were huge because all the Privates/Spec-4's I went through the school with were combat vets, most just back from OIF I. I was one of the few that hadn't been deployed because I was in RIP during the combat jump. These were Ranger Battalion and LRS Privates who had been in the shit having RI's who had never deployed try to tell them how it works in combat. Difficult situation and I know a lot of them took the instruction with a large grain of salt which is to bad in a lot of ways. Today of course it's completely different.

Tango9
Tango9 5pts

@JackMurphyRGR and the kicker is, everything I've learned I've had to learn on my own, it wasn't courtesy of the USAF. I just took the initiative to be the best NCO I could be despite the failure of the air force.

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