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Home » Special Operations » Former CIA Director David Petraeus & The Affair, So Far…

Former CIA Director David Petraeus & The Affair, So Far…

by BK · November 12, 2012 · Posted In: Special Operations
David Petraeus
The wild twists and turns to this bombshell story continue. CIA director David Petraeus resigned suddenly on late Friday afternoon, following revalations that he had carried on an affair with his biographer, Paula Broadwell. Here’s what we know so far:

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Initial reports stated that the FBI began investigating a string of threatening emails to a longtime Petraeus family friend, Jill Kelley, of Tampa, Florida. So far, the married Kelley has denied their relationship was anything other than plutonic. The emails were apparently serious enough for Kelley to contact the FBI.

This is where it starts to get murky. The first reports merely said that Kelley was receiving threatening emails, which were eventually traced to Broadwell. There, the FBI saw Petraeus’s name and found other explicit emails describing the affair. However, The Wall Street Journal is reporting that the investigation began out of suspiscion that someone was using Petreaus’ Gmail account to send the messages to Kelley. This, in turn, led them to discover the affair with Broadwell, a married mother of two.

Fatal Attraction?

During the investigation, an FBI employee contacted Republican House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, concerned about the potential national security implications of the inquiry. Cantor has since confirmed that his office had spoken with the source, described as a whistleblower, and have known about the investigation since the end of October.

The fact that it was Petraus’s personal email account, and not his official government account, that was being investigated did little to make the situation any less serious. As the Wall Street Journal piece states:

The computer-security investigation—which raised questions about a potential compromise to national security—points to one reason Mr. Petraeus and the White House decided he couldn’t remain in the senior intelligence position. An extramarital affair has significant implications for an official in a highly sensitive post, because it can open an official to blackmail. Security officials are sensitive to misuse of personal email accounts—not only official accounts—because there have been multiple instances of foreign hackers targeting personal emails.

The latest information indicates that Kelley was accused of having an “inappropriate relationship,” but the emails did not indicate Petraeus by name, prompting her to contact the FBI, instead of Petraeus himself. The ensuing investigation led to the discovery of a gmail account that Petraeus had set up, using a pseudonym.

After monitoring Broadwell’s email account, the FBI finally determined that she was having an affair with Petraeus. This led to concerns that classified information was potentially at risk, leading to the whistleblower contacting Congressman Cantor.

Confronted by the agents, Broadwell admitted the affair with Petraeus and turned over her computer to the FBI, leading to the discovery of classified documents that she had in her possession, raising fresh concerns about national security leaks.

Law enforcement sources stated that they did not believe that this investigation will result in criminal charges. Keep in mind that Kelley was so alarmed by the threatning tone of the emails, she went immediately to the FBI. One presumes that this was more serious than just a “stay away from my man” email. Furthermore, the unauthorized possession of classified material is also against the law.

There are also conflicting reports on who ended the relationship between Petraeus and Broadwell. One report claims that Broadwell ended it shortly after Petraeus’s confirmation as CIA director. Others state Petraeus ended it. If Broadwell was indeed the dumper, than why would she maintain a jealousy strong enough to send threatening emails?

Among those most stunned by the revelations were Congressman Peter King and Senator Diane Feinstein, members of the House and Senate Intelligence committies, respectively. Feinstein explicitly points out that her commitee is supposed to be made aware of any significant intelligence news from any federal agency, immediately, and points out that the CIA director potentially embroiled in an email hacking or national security breach would certainly qualify.

Overshadowing all of this is the continued mystery of what went wrong in Benghazi. Patraeus was scheduled to testify before Congress this week, but now is not expected to appear. Instead, CIA Deputy Director Mike Morell will take his place. Will this satisfy lawmakers in their search for answers, or will they subpoeana Patreaus, as has been hinted?

The news of the affair shocked many in Washington, but apparently not a lot of people who were close to the General. After all, Broadwell and Petraeus had spent an inordinate amount of time together while she researched and wrote his biography, ironically titled, “All In: The Education of General David Petraeus.”

Holly Petraeus, the wife, on the left. Broadwell on the right. Yeah, I know.

Broadwell and Petraeus had much in common. They were both West Point graduates, army officers, and fitness fanatics. They could often be seen running together at the bases in Afghanistan, after Petraeus took over there from General Stanley McChrystal. Petraeus was traveling frequently, Broadwell with him much of the time, and she was obviously infatuated with him. It sure didn’t hurt that she was 20 years younger than him, not to mention fairly attractive.

There are more salacious rumors flying all over. Remember, one report claims that Broadwell broke off the relationship shortly after Petraeus was sworn in as the new CIA Director last September. But Petraeus continued to pursue her, sending her thousands of emails over the next several months. This has not been verified.

This news broke on late Friday afternoon, traditionally a time when White House Administrations have released sensitive news, hoping the weekend can blunt the impact. Somehow, I have a feeling that is not going to work in this case. Attention political hacks: I realize that used to work like 50 years ago, but we have the internet now. I’m sure there is much more yet to be revealed.

 

 

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SEAL76
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I nominate Susan Rice to the position of Ambassador to any of the following countries; Libya, Iran, Somalia or any country that practices Sharia law. Zimbabwe should also be on the table.

gotta brain
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if you couldn't care less then say it that way. you said you could care less. really?how much less? wow.speakum the english language properly. 

Coriolis effect
Coriolis effect 5pts

Hey out of curiosity, after ETD what do you do in indoc the next couple weeks?

Rogue1
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From Fox News, this guts not only Rice's statements, but Obama's and Hillary's as well: The new timeline on the talking points – released by Clapper’s office - does not address another inconsistency, first reported by the Daily Beast. After the Sept. 11 attack, diplomatic security agents were evacuated from the Benghazi consulate to Ramstein Air Base in Germany. By Sept. 14, two days before Rice’s Sunday show appearances and one day before the talking points were finalized, the FBI had learned from consulate agents that there was no demonstration when the attack unfolded. This single data point appeared to gut the administration’s anti-video protest theory. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/20/top-gop-lawmaker-pressures-clapper-to-explain-altered-talking-points-on-libya/#ixzz2CrkCLg2o

Contagio
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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/11/21/benghazi-security-chief-assassinated/?test=latestnews

 

Methinks that this is related but can't seem to fill in the gaps

Rogue1
Rogue1 5pts

Oct. 15: In an interview with CBS News' Margaret Brennan, Secretary Clinton first acknowledges that the State Dept. considered using outside assets to rescue those under siege in Benghazi but decided against it: "Well we considered everything and, um, we did as you know send additional assets from Tripoli. But it was a fast moving, very difficult assault to try to figure out. As you know, the assault on the post ended, there was a gap of time, then the assault on the annex, um, so everybody who had any responsibility was scrambling very hard to figure out what more could be done." Brennan: Why not send assets from outside of the country in addition to those coming in from Tripoli? Clinton: "Well partly because of the difficulties of trying to do that but I think all of this will be examined in the accountability review board because after all we have this independent board to sort through everything."

majrod
majrod 5pts

 @Rogue1  I did some looking at the "acountability board" doing the state dep't "investigation".  None are politicians but they all owe their most successful accomplishments to their service under appointments from Democrat administrations.  The most "trustworthy" being Admiral Mullen who was largely a rubber stamp during his service as Obama's first CJCS.  The leader of the board is a lifelong diplomat and presently serves as a pobbyist for an organization seeking normalized relations between us and Iran.

 

The findings will not be a surprise...   

 

dolphinwearersdaughter
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Shouldn't this have raised a lot of red flags?  Sean Smith, the IT officer who was killed in the assault wrote on a gaming forum on Sept. 11. "Assuming we don't die tonight. We saw one of our ‘police' that guard the compound taking pictures," he wrote hours before the assault.

JHR
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 @dolphinwearersdaughter No, this should not have raised flags. Look at the time Vile Rat aka Sean Smith wrote the comment. Talk to others on the board, read the memorial all his gaming friends wrote. Your question will be answered if you research the facts. Leave Vile Rat out of this. RIP SEAN.

 

Rogue1
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Remember this artIcle? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444165804578008411144721162.html#project%3DTIMELINEREDESIGN11_LIBYA0920%26articleTabs%3Darticle Military assistance was never considered, mentioned numerous times. But just because State doesn't ask for it doesn't mean Obama shouldn't have ordered it anyhow.

Rogue1
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From Bachmann's letter: Ultimately, President Obama is responsible for the actions of his national security team and it is incomprehensible that we have yet to hear what the President knew, when he knew it, and the specific orders he gave his team. http://stillwater.patch.com/articles/bachmann-on-petraeus-hearing-americans-deserve-to-know-what-happened-in-benghazi-attack#photo-8764680

shagstar
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failure is my only option! ( that will be barrack's next excuse!)  join me as i move us forward into the deep end of the cesspool!

Rogue1
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Now it devolves into he said, she said over talking points. Who cares about what Rice said? Obama himself wouldn't call it a terrorist attack on the View nor in front of the UN. What is important and should be on the front burner, however, is the FAILURES before the attack and during the attack.

majrod
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 @Rogue1  So sad and so true.  Screw Rice.  The President himself was lying (not that that's a crime). 

 

Tango9
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 @majrod  @Rogue1 Just gotta get the slimy bastard under oath...

JHR
JHR 5pts

 @mrfrosty  @majrod Hi Frosty, I was wondering what you meant about "secret donors". Every once in a while, I get pulled into the familial business to help out with campaign finance reporting. Every penny that is brought in on campaigns/Initiatives, etc.... is accounted for on a local, state and federal level. There are strict penalties and fines and punitive punishment if campaign finance reporting laws are broken. Every donor is recorded and their names are available in online reports. Below is a wiki summary. I don't need to go into the report names, numbers and agencies. I am just wondering what you mean by "secret donors". Thanks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_finance_in_the_United_States

 

 

SEAN SPOONTS
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@mrfrosty @plainolamerican88 Why do you want to know about who gives money anonymously to campaigns? Are you going to be surprised that the Kock brothers support conservative causes or stunned that George Soros supports liberal ones? The call for total disclosure is as phony as the anti-corruption rational behind other campaign finance restrictions. "Pay to play" corruption is already illegal under state and federal election laws. How about we enforce the laws we already have? The kind of disclosure you are talking about acts to protect incumbents who use such laws to harrass and intimidate donors, as when the President singled out Romney donors and threatened them with investigation and attempted to shame them for "betting against America." In California, Proposition 8 donors identified in campaign finance documents(which were posted online) were exposed to protests and boycotts of their businesses. If we are going to require that all donations be public, why even have secret ballots? If you can't give money to a candidate or campaign privately you shouldn't be able to vote privately either, wouldn't you agree?

majrod
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@mrfrosty

I’m saying folks can do whatever they want.  I discuss Benghazi based on  what’s credibly reported and what I know from my short time in uniform.  I  ask more questions than anything else.  Feel free to call me on any over  the top speculation.  You may generalize that the news is reporting “crap” but I don’t see you stating specifics.

 

If you want to wait on debating Benghazi until more info becomes available  more power to you.    I plan on being around in 2016.   (exaggerating but not much)

 

You can continue on the OPSEC.org group and their motives.  You aren't afddressing the valid issues they raised.   I don’t care  if AQ is telling me stuff.  If the information is accurate a critical  thinker would start asking questions.  Those inclined to believe it’s all  political are exactly the sheep politicians count on.  Again, you are  attacking the messenger instead of addressing the message.  That’s avoiding  the issue.  When Murtha was calling the Marines murderers over Haditha I  didn’t kick it to the curb because I didn’t agree with Murtha’s politics.   I didn’t like him calling our Marines murderers either yet I still listened to  his points and did my own fact finding.

 

Congrats on being a SOFREP plank owner.  Appreciate your efforts to get info not being reported  out there.  Benghazi is one of them.

 

Recon6
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 @hjw1dr  @majrod  @mrfrosty   hjw, I will Eagerly await responses to Your questions!!  Wow, way to go in an attempt to get Facts

and not conjecture....6

hjw1dr
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 @majrod  @mrfrosty  not to beat a dead horse, but...we covered these before and it wasn't speculation. It was logical inquiry. 

 

Here are the questions I sent to Michael McCaul (Congressman) 10th Distrcit, Texas. (Through his assistant-- we're friends)  Michael McCaul emailed me back and informed me that he would circulate to others to investigate for the House investigation.  

(Thank YOU Majrod!)

 

So...IMHO,  this is not finished. 

 

(as an aside, I can't wait for  BW's new book on this subject. I hope it rocks the media.)

------

Benghazi Questions:

Did Ms Lamb have sole authority to deny requested security support and did she sign off on substandard facilities?  If so, when will she be fired?  If not who else ignored the signs and when are they being fired?

 

Why weren’t military forces moved into the areas after the US Embassy in Egypt was stormed  (along with the other incidents that were occurring in the middle east before the Benghazi incident)?  Who did or did not make the decision?  When will they be relieved or fired?

 

Did people on the ground request assistance (I want to hear from multiple key people that were there and talking on the radio)?

 

When did the President say what to who?  Include specifically addressing the repeated quote that he immediately said to do whatever is necessary to protect Americans.

 

What assets did Gen Dempsey & Ham have on hand that could have arrived at Benghazi if they had moved when the Egyptian Embassy was attacked? 

When the Benghazi Consulate was attacked? Was Gen Dempsey and Ham asked for military options?  

When and by who? What did they say?

 

Does Panetta, Dempsey & Ham stand by their communicated position that there was not enough situational awareness to send ANY military forces into the area? 

 

If drones providing real time footage, and extremely competent individuals on the ground who were in touch telephonically, digitally and over radio were not enough to determine the situation on the ground why was it enough to dispatch six lightly armed individuals from Tripoli?  What level of situational awareness is necessary to protect Americans in a foreign country?

 

Was there an operational reason to not launch units with the ability to recall them before entering Libyan airspace?

 

Was a CBA ever granted?  If so, when?

 

Was the Ambassador raped?  If so why was it kept from the public?  If not how do you explain his bleeding internal injuries?

 

Why did we wait three weeks to secure, inspect and sanitize the Benghazi facilities?  Why did we not act unilaterally?  Why would we have embassy and lightly armed CIA personnel in a region which is too dangerous to send military personnel and the FBI.

 

What are the specific talking points submitted to the white house by the CIA?  Who wrote them?  Who approved them?

 

If the talking points don’t say there is no doubt it was a mob motivated by a movie why did the White House and State disregard contrary evidence in the talking points?  Who made the decision?  When will they be fired?

 

If the talking points say there is no doubt it was a mob motivated by a movie why did the CIA discount the video, experts on the ground and communication intercepts?  Who decided to do that?  When wil they be fired?  White House and State disregard contrary evidence in the talking points?

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majrod
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 @mrfrosty  First I don't buy your examples as correct or examples of coverups at the White House level but even if they are, I'm not worried about "any administration".  I'm worried about this one.  Pointing to earlier wrongs doesn't make the current situation right.

 

F&F is an example of the administration covering up.  Two is a trend...  The President citing executive protection involved himself(just like he involved Rice when he had her go to the talk shows).   

 

Your answer to the OPSEC scandal is to attack the messengers not the message.  That's "avoiding the issue 101".

 

Waiting for the gov't isn't the American way though it might be the approach of those that look to gov't for all the answers to their problems.  You may consider the debate pointless which you obviously don't because you are participating.  Most people I know don't pursue pointless issues.  Welcome to SOFREP, sheep not welcome.

 

 

majrod
majrod 5pts

@mrfrosty  Refresh my memory.  It's been two weeks since we were discusing this.

 

Where did I say, "in debt to the administration" and "insult someone's intelligence"?

 

What weapons system specifically are you talking about?  I didn't knoiw a fiscal challenge was a "time out" for our enemies.

 

Sagan Standard?  Cute.

 

Obfuscation and outright coverups aren't a first with this administration.  Haven't you followed Fast and Furios and the OPSEC scandal? 

 

Like I said before if you have issues with benghazi being made more than what it is be specific.  If you want to argue that security was appropriate argue.  If you want to make the case that nothing could be done when the shooting started, make it.  If you want to take the position that the administration did nothing wrong from the Pers' alleged initial statement to do everything possible to save US lives, the media/mob lie and its going on three months of waiting for the inofrmation he said he would provide immediately go at it. 

 

I'll be happy to take your argument apart at every step but saying "obscure speculation" and not specifying is a bit general.  Reminds me of "everyone's fair share".  What's your beef?

 

 

plainolamerican88
plainolamerican88 5pts

 @SEAL76  @mrfrosty

 There ya go shipmate. Same team different position (stop it).

SEAL76
SEAL76 5pts

 @plainolamerican88  @SEAL76  @mrfrosty You are right what we need is patriots. People who care about the country and not their party. Someone who has been in combat might carry a bit more weight but ant service man or woman who served on active duty would be great.

plainolamerican88
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 @SEAL76  @mrfrosty

 I'm pissed at both parties for not picking PATRIOTS. I have nothing but respect for ALL of our SOF guys (even send money to you crazy SOBs) but as I have said in the past, not SOF does not equate to won't fight. Especially for our Constitution.

 

Hell if we look at it from the 10,000 foot view those in congress have two tasks under their "servants" title. Support the Constitution and Defend the Constitution, just like us.

 

The president has three Preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution and THAT's IT nothing else. Every thing else is up to the states and/ or (it's a liberty thing) WE THE PEOPLE.

 

Honestly have you met some of the people in congress? I wouldn't trust half of them with a sharp crayon or my daughter. Even the ugly one(1st wife I was YDC). Let ALONE assuring Richardcraniums just LIKE THEM don't attack our freedoms.

 

In the grand scheme of our Republic all the other BS they do is just marketing for their own job security. They segregate us by color, creed, demographics, finance, party, and the rest because target marketing is easy, cheaper and more effective. And we not only allow it. WE PAY FOR IT. In the words of my old sea-daddy we're F-ed up like a football bat.

 

They suck brothers And sisters we don't.

 

Hell even a regular old Machinst Mate Snipe like me could do that. :-) 

 

Chief out.

SEAL76
SEAL76 5pts

 @plainolamerican88  @SEAL76  @mrfrosty I am pissed off at the republicans for not recruiting, warrior vets to run for office. There are plenty of VN, Gulf war, Iraq and Afghanistan vets out there with great resumes. I am not talking about the ticket punchers who got cushy jobs in the green zone so they can claim Combat vet status I mean the real deal guys like Lt. Col Ken Scarano of Oakhurst NJ and Ryan Zinke who served in DEVGRU.

majrod
majrod 5pts

 @mrfrosty "not to mention all the senators pushing for military stuff the pentagon didn't  ask for (as a job stimulus for their state)"  Some of that is true but so is the fact that the military isn't going to ask for ANYTHING when the request has to be approved by the administration.  There was a time the Air Force didn't want the A10.  Congress made them buy it anyway.  History is full of examples like this.  Try not to insult anyone's intelligence.

 

Benghazi is not purely a military matter.  BTW, all of the ops you mentioned didn't take years or take people coming forward.  The military itself initiated investigations in all these events.  Some were complete within a year and the investigating personnel weren't in debt to the administration.  Seems you have a certain perspective on these events. 

 

Instead of comparing apples and oranges how about picking the specific issues about Benghazi that are upsetting you?  Maybe we can have a discussion and learn something vs makimg excuses to obscure the truth because it might be embarassing. 

 

 @SEAL76

 

Jaycel Adkins
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 @majrod  @Tango9  @Rogue1  @hjw1dr I had another event to work yesterday, but I spoke to the person who runs the location the memorial was held today, and she said it was a good number of people there to pay their respects, which for a small community like this is a good showing. 

majrod
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 @mrfrosty  What mistakes should someone have been hanged for in Operation  Anaconda & Operation Nifty Package?

 

At Ganjgal several officers at the BN and below level were sanctioned to the point that their careers were effectively ended.  Personally I would have liked to have seen BDE and higher leaders have to answer for the ridiculous ROE which can be traced to the administration's unrealistic expectation that the standard for war should be zero civilian casualties.  It's supremely hypocritical that when the administration was asked about the drone program's adherence to that standard they changed the definition to civilian (military aged males are now not considered civilians if killed in a drone attack).

 

Ref the story, "And now, for the first time, investigators  auditing the cash have admitted that more than half of that huge amount may have  been stolen when it got there in 'the largest theft of funds in national  history'.

 

I guess they forgot about the almost trillion dollar stimulus?

 

Why are you comparing military operations with the Benghazi cover up?  Is there some sort of equivalency?  Is Benghazi OK because of the Ops you mentioned?  Like I said, no comparison...

 

plainolamerican88
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 @mrfrosty

 Anybody that knows Jack Wheeler, well knows Jack Wheeler.

http://www.tothepointnews.com/content/view/5167/84/  Every time I read his stuff I want a cold one. Actually I don't need to read anything to want a cold one. Being reired is the shit most times. The times it's not, I ignore.

 

plainolamerican88
plainolamerican88 5pts

 @SEAL76  @mrfrosty  @plainolamerican88

 Sounds like they were pretty good computer hackers too. Not that I have any love lost for Mutt. I'm tired of both gangs using marketing to divide us to make buying votes cheaper. How about the Vet party?  -:)

SEAL76
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 @mrfrosty  @plainolamerican88 All the cash that Romney spent didn't help him. Obama's minions know how to use it the old fashioned way. They spread it around to buy votes. Romney's remarks after the election about giving certain groups "gift" was dead on. Of course the money he is going to use is our tax dollars and the money he borrows from who knows where.

chrishutch13
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 @Jaycel Adkins  @majrod  @Tango9  @Rogue1  @hjw1dr

 Thank you Jaycel.

plainolamerican88
plainolamerican88 5pts

 @majrod  @Tango9  @Rogue1  @hjw1dr

 HEY troops anybody seen this ? WOW! what a coinkydink.

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/15/macdill-afb-checking-its-friends-after-petraeus-af/

If I was a Whitehouse trying to erase evidence of wrongdoings I would certainly erase visitor logs from say MacDill AF base so no one could see if Whitehouse folks visited Socialite. Know any in congress that should know this ?  

hjw1dr
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 @Jaycel Adkins  @majrod  @Tango9  @Rogue1  Good man. what a list of medals he had earned. 3 bronze stars--- (one posthumously)

 

Jaycel Adkins
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 @majrod  @Tango9  @Rogue1  @hjw1dr Off topic, but thought you should know: 

 

http://firstcoastteaparty.ning.com/events/memorial-service-for-warrant-officer-michael-duskin

hjw1dr
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 @majrod  @Tango9  @Rogue1 I liked your question about who got fired too. Esp for the lack of security (Lamb).  But there are more who should be held accountable-- called on the carpet, if nothing else. 

Tango9
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 @majrod  @Rogue1  @hjw1dr I loved that scene.

50run50gun
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 @majrod  @Tango9  @Rogue1  @hjw1dr

 Major, one of my favorite John Adam's quotes comes to mind in regard to your persistence on this matter, a persistence that I have been in full agreement with all along...

 

"Thanks to God that he gave me stubbornness when I know I am right." - John Adams

 

I always remember this quote when my wife tells me I'm the most stubborn person she's ever known, which is often.

majrod
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 @Tango9  @Rogue1  @hjw1dr

 

There's a bright side, Riddick did kill that corrupt guard with a tin cup in "Chronicles of Riddick".

Tango9
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@majrod@Rogue1@hjw1dr "

In the meantime I'll keep banging my tin cup.  It's all I have left."

 

The sad part is that this is all any of us have left.

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 @Tango9  @Rogue1  ALL OF THEM!

 

We are so screwed up.  I have very little faith anything will come of this.  That doesn't mean I think we should stop talking or fighting for it.  I might be wrong and the truth is every minute we keep this in the public eye is a victory.  I must admit though that it is disheartening. 

 

I was sure to include asking for relief or firing dcisions in thelist of questions   @hjw1dr asked for.  I personally believe that is the most effective way of getting accountability and deterring future abuse.  No one is going to go to jail over the decisions that contributed to the death of four Americans.  That in of itself is telling but just the failure to fire (a relatively minor sanction) is telling.

 

BTW, who got fired for not giving Hasan the evaluations he deserved or not sharing the intel that he was in touch with Allawi?  Yep, exactly.

 

I also am bothered by the focus on Rice.  There were a dozen bad decisions involved in this fiasco and all the politicians can focus on is the optics.  I don't for one minute want them to stop though because optics is better than nothing and maybe they'll stumble on to something else. 

 

In the meantime I'll keep banging my tin cup.  It's all I have left.

shagstar
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off topic but,,another oil rig just blew in the gulf of mexico,,25 miles off the Louisiana coast  2 dead,,2 missing,,4 airlifted!

pretty damn convienant   if you ask me!

Tango9
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 @shagstar Egypt just directly threatened Israel if they don't stop the airstrikes in Gaza. 

 

Who wants extra butter?

shagstar
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 @Tango9 

with anchovy  please

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@Tango9 @shagstar Ha! Easy T$. What's wrong with medics? You take a chest IO on a bet once and still hold a grudge? I'm sure more than one medic IVed your ass out of a hangover!

shagstar
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 @StormR  @Tango9  @50run50gun 

here in S.Texas,,our driveways are ground-up rattles from an over abundance of western diamondbacks!  at nighttime, we illuminate the outside with black light which makes the scorpions beam like a chem-lite!  in the morning,,i have to move the tarantulas out my dogs food bowl by hand and throw em over the fence into the neighbors yard  in order to feed my doggies breakfast!  life is good in the desert!  lol

StormR
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 @shagstar  @Tango9  @50run50gun  LOL, Shag.  I want to add those little pizza rolls and bagel bites to the menu, please....oh, and potato chips and french onion dip. 

 

StormR
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 @shagstar  @Tango9  @50run50gun  Shag, I'm on the Pacific Coast.  We have so many dang oysters that we grind up their shells to make driveways.   Really, really good eating is fried Razor clams.  Dig 'em up, a bit of batter and fry them up on a fire on the beach.  *swoons with delight*

 

Tango9
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 @StormR  @50run50gun  @shagstar I'm in CO.  I take what I can get.  Out for a bit have to go corrupt young minds. bbl.  ya'll behave!

shagstar
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 @StormR  @Tango9  @50run50gun 

storm,,i'm in the desert and my nearest oyster farm is in the grocery store!

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 @Tango9  @50run50gun  @shagstar

 Oysters..in a can??  OMGawddddd.   You need to come here where you can pick your oysters off the beach, shuck 'em & eat 'em raw right there if you want (gag).  Or hand them to me and I'll make a lovely fish and oyster stew :)   Or throw some oil on 'em.

shagstar
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 @Tango9  @50run50gun 

see there?  impending Armageddon rears it's ugly head and we,,have successfully

created a menu that defies his ugly ass!  

Tango9
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 @50run50gun  @shagstar I'm fkn trying it!

50run50gun
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 @shagstar  @Tango9 "

"sardines and anchovy on a cheese cracker with hotwings!"  ...laughing my ass off!

shagstar
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 @Tango9  @50run50gun 

then forget the oil and use butter!

Tango9
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 @shagstar  @50run50gun I figure it's better to die of a massive heart attack than cancer.  I'm too old to get shot at this point, so my exfil options are shrinking.

shagstar
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 @Tango9  @50run50gun 

oysters on the half shell stuffed with anchovy!  i gotta try that now

Tango9
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 @shagstar  @50run50gun That sounds pretty damn good!  Football Sunday might be a chance to give that a go.

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 @50run50gun  @Tango9 

sardines and anchovy on a cheese cracker with hotwings!

Tango9
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 @50run50gun  @shagstar I have a soft spot for oysters.  In oil.  On saltines.  Twice a year I buy a can.

50run50gun
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 @Tango9 @shagstar In related news, sardines are very good too...

Tango9
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 @shagstar  @50run50gun LOL that's exactly what he'd have said.

shagstar
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 @Tango9  @50run50gun 

if it wasn't for the anchovy,,he would have been lucky to make it thru the 1st one!  bless his soul

Tango9
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 @50run50gun  @shagstar They're not bad... my dad used to eat them by the truckload.  Course he died after his 5th heart attack...

50run50gun
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 @shagstar  @Tango9 lol.  There is definately a stigma against them, but what's not to love?  Salty, fishy, delicious man food.

Tango9
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 @50run50gun  @shagstar it was some fancy crab mac & cheese.  I refused to eat any of it on principle.  The "cultured" folks around me looked at me like I was a barbarian. 

 

Well, I am a barbarian, so I didn't mind. 

shagstar
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 @Tango9  @50run50gun 

i can't even order anchovy on my pizza's anymore because of you biased schmucks!!  lol

Tango9
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 @50run50gun  @shagstar Right?  The steak was amazing though.  Perfect.  The sous chef needs a beating, but other than that, good meal.

50run50gun
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 @Tango9 @shagstar  I'm a fan of anchovies on salad, but there's nothing to like about fancy small appetizer. 

Tango9
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 @50run50gun  @shagstar They brought out an appetizer that would fit inside my Copenhagen can that was supposed to "feed 3."  I laughed out loud when the placed the dish on the table and embarassed my wife and the couple across from us.

 

Ain't no fixin' bein' a redneck  (redneque'?)

shagstar
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 @Tango9 

and that's why why you grunts love us.

Tango9
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 @50run50gun  @shagstar I shit you not... there I was... last night (not kidding) they brought out a ceasar's with 2 anchovies on top.  I nearly shot everyone in the room.  I'm not used to 5-star dining (it's a long story). 

50run50gun
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 @Tango9 @shagstar  "fkn medics...."  lol.  I love me some anchovies on a ceasar salad, but I don't know about popcorn.

Tango9
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 @shagstar Who puts anchovies on popcorn?  fkn medics....

50run50gun
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 @Tango9  @shagstar

 And Israel is calling up 30,000 reserve troops...  putting my feet up on the coffee table...

50run50gun
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 @majrod I just read that too.  They either upped it to 75k, or they are currently calling up 30k, with an additional 45k "on call," I'm not sure which.  I'll have to do a little more reading up.  Either way the escalation gives cause for concern over the situation there.

majrod
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I read 75k

50run50gun
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 @shagstar

 Also off topic, but Hamas/militants just launched a missile at Jerusalem.   Lot going on.

plainolamerican88
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 @50run50gun  @shagstar

 

HEY troops anybody seen this ? WOW! what a coinkydink.

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/15/macdill-afb-checking-its-friends-after-petraeus-af/

If I was a Whitehouse trying to erase evidence of wrongdoings I would  certainly erase visitor logs from say MacDill AF base so no one could  see if Whitehouse folks visited Socialite. Know any in congress that  should know this ? 

Read more: http://sofrep.com/13691/cia-director-david-petreaus-affair-so-far/#ixzz2CSHwBoTi

shagstar
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 @50run50gun 

damn!  i coulda swore they have been doing that for the past 3 days!  how little i know

Tango9
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 @JHR  @shagstar  @StormR  @50run50gun freezer full of them.  My retirement plan.

JHR
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 @shagstar  @Tango9  @StormR  @50run50gun

 Did I hear Ding-Dongs? Starving.

shagstar
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 @Tango9  @StormR  @50run50gun 

i built alot of bldgs in CO.SPRINGS,,,i know what runs around there un-attended!  lol

Tango9
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 @shagstar  @StormR  @50run50gun Yes.  Yes we do.  And I cannot be certain I'm not one of them.

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 @Tango9  @StormR  @50run50gun 

well hell tango,,,CO. already has a bunch of ding dongs running around up there!

Tango9
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 @LauraKinCA  @StormR and the "Ding Dong" may be a NK missile as well, so caution....

Tango9
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 @LauraKinCA  @StormR Timing is everything!  Friday night Ding Dong Delivery.

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 @Tango9  @StormR 

 Luckily the shelf life is really long so you can parse them out and really rake in the $$ - new black market gold. Make sure you wait a while to let the demand ramp up :)

Tango9
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 @StormR  @shagstar  @50run50gun I ran a tactical OP on Safeway today.  Not a gd twinkie to be found but I loaded up on Ding Dongs!

 

I'm going to buy $4k worth of those and drive to Boulder and sell them to CU students @ $5 a piece.  muhahaha!

StormR
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 @Tango9  @shagstar  @50run50gun   [Whispers..you forgot that there will be no more Twinkies and Ding Dongs.  That was really the signal for the end of the world.  There will be riots in the streets in Colorado and Washington when the last ones run out].   

 

Tango9
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 @shagstar  @50run50gun Like I said some time ago:  Just going to fire up the grill, turn on the big screen tv, pop some popcorn and watch it all explode. 

shagstar
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 @Tango9  @50run50gun 

oh well,,at least we all have tickets and ring side seats!  lol

Tango9
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 @shagstar  @50run50gun The end of the world seems to be speeding up...

shagstar
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 @50run50gun 

i'm aware of that 50,,i just find it ironic that,,here we are on another Friday,, there is a closed hearing over Benghazi-gate,, imminent war in Israel  and, another oil rig in the gulf just  happens to blow!  just simply amazes me how much crap happens back to back!

50run50gun
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 @shagstar  They haven't fired rockets at Jerusalem in decades, since '91 I think.  There has been rocket fire back and forth recently starting around late October this year.

 

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