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Home » Special Operations » So, About This Picture Taken at Arlington National Cemetery…

So, About This Picture Taken at Arlington National Cemetery…

by BK · November 27, 2012 · Posted In: Special Operations
About This Picture Taken at Arlington National Cemetery
How about that internet, eh? This miraculous invention has expanded the scope of human knowledge like nothing in the history of the world. I can go from reading up on the cave paintings of Lascaux, to trying to read the 1000+ comments on my last article (!),  to watching youtube videos of guys getting hit in the balls instantly. I do so love the information age.

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But this marvelous connectivity also has its drawbacks. Increasingly, we are seeing the rise of the Internet Justice Squad (IJS) to demand consequences for speech they find distasteful and beyond their acceptable boundaries for civil discourse.

By now, most of you have probably seen the story of Lindsey Stone floating around on the internet. But, for those of you who missed it, allow me fill you in.

During a trip to Arlington National Cemetery, young Lindsey thought it would be oh-so-hilarious to take a picture mocking the posted signs requesting an atmosphere of silence and respect. Keep in mind, she did nothing illegal, only very distasteful. She and her friend fancied themselves rebellious, often taking such irreverent photos like smoking next to a “no smoking” sign, and the like. In other words, the typical stupid shit that teens and young adults often do to wag their fingers at authority. Personally, if it was rebellion she was looking for, I would have been more impressed if she had held up some Mohammed cartoons in front of a mosque… in Pakistan.

But I digress. Miss Stone then proceeded to post the picture to her Facebook page, apparently in the belief that her idiot friends would agree with her lolz and marvel at her rebellious wit. However, as happens with these things, the picture spread faster than the clap through a whorehouse. (I refuse to use the term, “went viral.”)

Now, do not for one second misconstrue what I am saying. If I, or many veterans I know, had borne witness to this excrement, there would have instantly been a time-honored physical correction handed out to both Lindsay and her idiot friend who took the picture. Following that, as they lay quivering and sobbing on the ground, they would then be subjected to a torrent of withering verbal abuse the likes of which the world has never seen, complete with the knife hand a half inch from their faces.  Upon the conclusion of this hard, but necessary lesson, the young lasses would then continue on with their lives, chastened and shamed, now armed with the knowledge that honor and respect are things that many Americans take quite seriously.

Instead, what we have witnessed has become a far too common spectacle these days. There is no face-to-face admonishment; too many are afraid of any sort of interpersonal confrontation. Instead, the baying mob of the internet was unleashed, and the IJS sprang into action, demanding the scalps of the two young women, all for the crime of a bad joke.  An apology wasn’t enough, nay, this lynch mob was out for blood. Secure in their blind devotion to all things military, they not only named and shamed her publicly, they also demanded that she be terminated from her place of employment.

The mob’s wish has been granted. Lindsey was fired from her job, along with her co-worker who took the photo. So, they’ve succeeded in adding yet another person to the legion of former workers collecting unemployment and possibly food stamps. Is this enough justice for the masses? Or does the mob contact all of her future employers as well, demanding they refuse to hire her because of her mistake? It wasn’t enough to publicly shame her, and it wasn’t enough to have the albatross of a horrendous google search of her name hung around her neck. Not because she committed a crime, or physically hurt someone. This was all over a bad joke photo.

Never mind if she had family to support. Who cares if she loses her home and her livelihood? The IJS has been sated, and can rest easy, secure in the knowledge that they, and only they, are the arbiters of justice with regards to the veteran’s community.

Germaine to all of this is the continued fetishization of the military in general. In a healthy society, all institutions, especially those in government, should not be immune to analysis, interrogation, and even mockery, as distasteful as it may be. Genuine criticism has taken a back seat to blind support of all things military, with any doubting or differing opinions drowned out by the adoration of the echo chamber. Thankfully, there are other veterans out there that believe perhaps we should start discussing this continuing phenomena. As USMC officer Aarron O’Connell wrote recently in his excellent op-ed in the New York Times:

“Most of the political discourse on military matters comes from civilians, who are more vocal about “supporting our troops” than the troops themselves. It doesn’t help that there are fewer veterans in Congress today than at any previous point since World War II. Those who have served are less likely to offer unvarnished praise for the military, for it, like all institutions, has its own frustrations and failings. But for non-veterans – including about four-fifths of all members of Congress – there is only unequivocal, unhesitating adulation.”

The first amendment to the Unites States Constitution only protects citizens from government retribution regarding speech. It says nothing about private consequences, so the argument goes. However, we in America also have an understanding that it is different here, and that we don’t go around firing people and excommunicating them from society because of stupid things they say and do. Regardless of whether you agree with the controversial opinion being offered, the way to combat it should not be to ruin someone’s life by making their name forever google-able.

I have already heard the argument from friends that, while they agree with my sentiment, they are making an exception in this case, because what she did was so heinous that it could not stand without serious consequence. That is inconsistency, and therefore illogical. Either we can discuss these things like adults, or the spirit of public and controversial debate is lost.

Gawker media is a perfect example of the selective outrage. One of the plank-owning members of the IJS, they recently ran an article questioning whether Stone should be fired, and seemed to take the tone that perhaps the public shaming of a young, stupid girl and getting her terminated was a bridge too far. The left-leaning Gawker had finally found a sympathetic internet mob victim.

That same Gawker media, at their Jezebel website, showed no such hesitation following President Obama’s re-election. Here, they published accounts of young, stupid children who had taken to twitter and  bleated out hysterical, racially charged tweets. Not only did Gawker media publish their full names, they contacted the schools that these idiots attended to seek comment and urge punishment.

This hypocrisy is useful to illustrate that while we may find an individual’s speech to be personally repugnant and sickening, this is the price we pay for living in the only country in the world to have true freedom of speech. With various ethnic and academic groups quietly loudly calling for changes in the first amendment, the time is now to draw a line in the sand and say with pride, “That is not how we do it in the United States of America.”  And that means that we do not internet stalk people whom we have deemed at odds with prevailing public opinion.

A lot of us here at sofrep.com, including many of you readers, have friends and former colleagues buried at Arlington. Let us honor them by defending the letter and spirit of the United States Constitution, as every warrior laid to rest there took an oath promising to do the same.

So, whaddya think? I know a lot of you will think I’m a goddamn pinko commie who hates America have different opinions on this than myself. Let me have it in the comments…

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mharring13
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Im sorry but she got what she deserved.  I'm a veteran an to disrespect a place like Arlington, well enough said.  Im also sorry that people have no accountability for their actions anymore.  Yes i agree you have a right to free speech but to disrespect a place like that well you get what you get.  

Minou_Demimonde
Minou_Demimonde 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Why would we think you a pinko commie when you've just defended one of the most important rights we have: free speech. I feel badly for this idiot child. People really don't think of the Internet as being real, in my opinion. It's like this free for all where they can say and do anything. And nobody will notice. Except that they do. And Facebook is one of the greatest evils ever perpetrated on the human race. There is no moderation, and security is a complete joke. And yet time and after time, idiots like this think that they can get away with posting something just for their friends. And she should have been able to.

We have given up our right to privacy in return for social media. And the price is high. And there are people who apparently have nothing to do except go out and troll the web for victims.never actually thinking that their victims are real. Human beings, with real lives, and real suffering. It's a form of cyber-bullying that doesn't get discussed. Thank you for this article.

-BLACK-
-BLACK- 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

1000TH comment... just had to do it. 

Bubble_Head662
Bubble_Head662 5pts

Dude. First of all. This has to be one of the best written articles you've published to date. Seriously. Well done. 

I agree with you. It was stupid, tasteless, and utterly disrespectful. But we all do stupid stuff. And when we get called to the carpet for it, nine out of ten times we learn from that humiliation. But firing her? Nah. That was a knee jerk reaction. 

Again, thanks for the well written article and thanks for you service!

WilliamFord1
WilliamFord1 5pts

I am a former soldier myself and while I do find what she did seriously disrespectful I believe that she should have been talked to and not publicly. I also believe that it is wrong that he was fired from her job. I can't understand how they had any legal right to terminate her employment. That is just my personal opinion and does not reflect the thoughts or opinions of anyone but myself. That is all.

shat_magnet
shat_magnet 5pts

Great article. Sick of everyone overreacting & wanting to ruin the entirety of someone's life for one mistake, especially when its over something we have swore to defend to the death. BTW, how many of us have pics we wouldn't want going viral from our military career because of this same type shit storm, except no doubt it would be worse?

SEAL76
SEAL76 5pts

Enough about her already. She is a idiot plain and simple. Not a damn thing we can do about her and others like her. If you see someone doing this kind of crap then take a deep breath, count to 10 and do what you think is appropriate. I'm done.

 

emoss
emoss 5pts

The whole situation reminds me of a mixture of McCarthyism,Communism, the negative response of the Vietnam war , sex, drugs & peace etc... Freedom of speech is just that. The deed was distasteful, but was there any law broken, vandalism etc.... Ok so they were making fun of the signs. What really disturbs me is that a person can actually be fired over something like this. She doesn't work for any high position at the WH, or other high ranking office, she was a teenager doing a stupid thing. I would more worried that some teenager & her friend lost their job over this whole thing..... Now that IS scary !

chuck finley
chuck finley 5pts

 @emoss Personally, I would forgive her, but "freedom" cuts both ways.  She's free to express her opinions and others are free to express their opinions of her opinions.  Employers are free to hire and fire as they see fit (conduct unbecoming a representative of this company). 

SEAL76
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 @emoss Is it ever to soon to learn that actions have consequences. If a student is applying to college or university their facebook and twitter pages are perused by the schools. If questionable material is found they may be rejected and many have. Free speech is a right and should be protected at all costs. It has become abundantly clear that the left seems to have control of what freedom of speech means.

Ishaan
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Recon6
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The "points" fluctuate and don't mean a lot except to indicate one's activity and possibly

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Some people with 'lots' of points 'can' mean they have an opinion of every topic, lol.

You will quickly learn 'who' brings good Intel, who is self centered and could care less

about your experiences/knowledge, and who is trolling.

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hjw1dr
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 @Recon6  @VermontPT I thought the pts  fluctuate according the the phase of the moon. That or how much you been drinking. Bet there's a alcohol content moderator on site -- trouble is-- that moderator is always topping off the drinks  and forget to update the pts.   :)

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Recon6
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thus far, lol  You comment ref. a 'mod' topping drinks?  Think @Old PH2   that is

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shagstar
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 @Recon6 

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Recon6
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shagstar
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 @Recon6 

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Recon6
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hjw1dr
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 @LauraKinCA  @Recon6  @Old PH2 LauraK, the pts faires are very frisky from what I've heard.  But you'd have to ask OldPh2 about that. 

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LauraKinCA
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 @hjw1dr  @Recon6    @Old PH2

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shagstar
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 @Recon6  

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hjw1dr
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 @Recon6  @VermontPT  @Old PH2  AH.. so THAT explains it! I was wondering why whenever he was on, my pts fluctuated like a (to use a oldPH2 -ism) " horny streetwalker waving her wares to anyone who would looked." 

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VermontPT
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 @StormR  @Recon6Thanks folks. Storm, I'm picturing a headband wrapped in your holiday tin-foil with springy antennae extensions topped with elf heads!

 

StormR
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 @VermontPT  @Recon6   Ummm, you got one of those sneaky-tricksey-spy cameras hidden in my house???  And hey, the elf heads are PLASTIC...the real elves run too dang fast for me to catch and have so far evaded the elf traps - I think I have bad bait :( 

 

KyleWilliams1
KyleWilliams1 5pts

Brian,

I am slightly confused by this article. You are saying that it would be perfectly fine for you, as a veteran, to have physically assaulted Lindsey Stone had you seen this act in person, but it is not acceptable for anyone else to express their opinions of her actions on the internet? This is inconsistency and is therefore illogical. While I don't think she should have been fired for her stupidity, I think making her forever Google-able was perfectly justified. Remember, the public didn't post the photo to the internet, Stone did. If you don't want to pay the public consequences for something, first don't do it, and if you can't stop yourself from doing something, then for God's sake don't post it on Facebook.

 

Kyle 

bkgreenfeet
bkgreenfeet 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @KyleWilliams1 Perhaps I WAS using a bit of hyperbole, but since you asked, let's get into it. First off, I never said it was not, "acceptable for anyone else to express their opinions." My problem is with the hunting down, exposing the name, and contacting the company to have her fired. But let's talk about your first point, about "assault."  You aren't the first person in this comments section that has clutched your pearls at my pimp slap gif.  As if accusing me of "assault" is going to make me come up with some groveling apology for my harsh words? That's the problem with society. Everyone gets their panties knotted when it comes to solving problems physically. In my opinion, we should be using physical punishment much more, not less. 

     Think of the massive amounts of tax money that go into the feeding, health care, and incarceration of prisoners. I propose bringing back the public lashing in the town square for all but the most serious of crimes. I believe that swift, temporary physical pain is far more effective than long, drawn out, non-physical emotional pain. Especially when it coms to young people. To continue the jail example: You think we're doing these young kids any favors by locking them away with grown men, for years at a time? They come out more criminal than they were before they arrived! 

       A quick blow does far less damage than what has already been dealt to this girl. She lost her job, which alone is far worse. Not only that, she is going to be tarred with these google stories FOREVER. I mean, forever. If you asked me whether I would rather take a punch in the face in anonymity or be smeared with a 1000 stories on the internet for the rest of my life, I'm taking the former every time.

    Just one man's opinion.

MissEvans
MissEvans 5pts

@bkgreenfeet @KyleWilliams1 Spankings all around!!

DieHardDeuce
DieHardDeuce 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @bkgreenfeet  @KyleWilliams1 Educational beatdown's used to be a standard staple in societal evolution.

DieHardDeuce
DieHardDeuce 5pts

 @Tango9  @bkgreenfeet  @KyleWilliams1 Now there's a great form of flattery, especially from you, Tango.

 

Tell the kids, action and reaction applies in all aspects of life. And a boot in the rear rectal aperture is the same in every language... especially those that speak American.

Copecyn924
Copecyn924 5pts

 @Tango9  @DieHardDeuce

@DieHardDeuce  @bkgreenfeet  @KyleWilliams1 

REGIS??????  My alma mater????

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @DieHardDeuce  @bkgreenfeet  @KyleWilliams1 I'm going to quote you tonight when I teach my physics students.

KyleWilliams1
KyleWilliams1 5pts

 @bkgreenfeet I believe you misrepresented my position. I have no problem with the assault. Don't get your panties all wet about the particular word I used. I chose one word rather than a complete sentence that meant the same thing. I don't see any indication in my original post of pearl clutching, not did I expect or ask for some groveling apology. I was just curious what makes physical assault a valid punishment and an internet whipping an invalid choice. Your last statement says it all "Just one man's opinion". I didn't disagree with your opinion that a physical solution would have been appropriate, I merely disagreed with your opinion that your solution was the only solution. So dry your panties off and don't put words in other people's mouth.

 

Kyle

Copecyn924
Copecyn924 5pts

 @LauraKinCA 

 

Great chatting with you tonight!!!!  Not feeling too good.. Chat with you later this weekend....

 

cc

Copecyn924
Copecyn924 5pts

 @LauraKinCA k

Copecyn924
Copecyn924 5pts

 @LauraKinCA 

Hi Laura, hope you are doing well, what's up?

LauraKinCA
LauraKinCA 5pts

 @Copecyn924

 Let me know if you are on line. I want to talk to you about something.

Copecyn924
Copecyn924 5pts

 @LauraKinCA 

Laura, thought I had read you were interested in sending care packages to the deployed troops.  If so I can help you out, let me know, I can get AF (I do quite a bit of volunteering so I'm always hearing things) and Army addresses.  My co-worker's husband is returning any day now, flight delayed due to sand storm, sure Simon can get me his unit...

 

Plus: http://soldierangels.org/holiday-for-heroes.html

LauraKinCA
LauraKinCA 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Copecyn924  

 OK, that's a bit nasty. 10yrs younger is about my max.

Copecyn924
Copecyn924 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @LauraKinCA  @Tango9 

Watching my DVR, this is a conversation we had Friday night..Cougar Wives, 53 year old woman dating a 21 year old.

 

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/extreme-cougar-wives-digs-dating-world-older-women/story?id=17779507#.UL1OR1HsbU0

Copecyn924
Copecyn924 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Tango9  @engelbrad  @KyleWilliams1  @bkgreenfeet 

 

Tango 9, so you survived the weekend!!!  HA!!!  I've always loved Bugs, he's got attitude and spunk....

LauraKinCA
LauraKinCA 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Tango9  @Copecyn924 

 It is pretty cool, huh? I keep pushing my buds here that were stealth to add avatars and we got Sassy Bugs :)

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @Copecyn924  @engelbrad  @KyleWilliams1  @bkgreenfeet Cope, that bugs bunny avatar is pretty damn cool.  Just sayin'.

Copecyn924
Copecyn924 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @engelbrad  @Tango9  @KyleWilliams1  @bkgreenfeet 

 

Brad, Brad, Brad, is it sad that I understand your humor and actually laugh my butt off (hard to do), but I appreicate it big time!!!  Wait, what's that say about me???  Note to self, book an appointment with Mental Health tomorrow.

DieHardDeuce
DieHardDeuce 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 6 Like

 @Tango9 I called a pandemic of FNG Hoof and Mouth sickness all last week. Seemed like there was at least one in every damn forum.I'm still pretty new myself. But even most inmates have enough decorum to know that going after the big guy in prison only gets you boned in the ass.

 

Just sayin'.

engelbrad
engelbrad 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Tango9  @KyleWilliams1  @bkgreenfeet

 I agree. What is it with this holiday rush? .... his cajones may need a special steel beach picnic!

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @engelbrad  @Tango9  @KyleWilliams1  @bkgreenfeet He's either got an aircraft carrier out back to carry his cajones.... or he made an unforced error.  We'll see.

engelbrad
engelbrad 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 6 Like

@Tango9 @KyleWilliams1 @bkgreenfeet RE:

 

 "No one has been banned around here in a LONG time. For an open posting forum/site, SOFREP gets an A++ on the level of discussion and non-trolliness (my word). Bring a cogent argument to the table, everyone will listen, but dickweedery isn't cool. Ever."

 

It's like looking at a giant hornet's nest and saying "I'm going to stick my tongue in that while I shake it"... 4 out of 5 dentist's do not recommend this for their patient's who chew gum!

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @engelbrad  @Tango9  @KyleWilliams1  @bkgreenfeet LOL  but what Kyle walked into was this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEwKCu0P89c

 

he kicks the door in on the SOFREP mafia, and picks the PJ.  There's natural selection in action, right there.

engelbrad
engelbrad 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@Tango9 @KyleWilliams1 @bkgreenfeet I'm late to this dance...:( ....Anyway here we go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaezjE1uJTw

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 5 Like

 @KyleWilliams1  @bkgreenfeet Maybe it's just me, but what the metric hell is with all the gremlins crawling out of the closet poking sticks at editors/contributors to SOFREP?

 

Was it "release an idiot" day at the zoo an no one told me?  I'll adjust accordingly, but half-wits rolling in here pissing on respected contributors doesn't sit well.  And if you know me I'm the first mfer in the room to reach for the rifle.

 

No one has been banned around here in a LONG time.  For an open posting forum/site, SOFREP gets an A++ on the level of discussion and non-trolliness (my word).  Bring a cogent argument to the table, everyone will listen, but dickweedery isn't cool. Ever.

 

I'm gonna go do some zen stuff and come back later.  If stupid is still on the menu I'm going to... ready fire aim.  I'll take up the consequences later with Jack and Brandon.

 

 

Tango9
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 @KyleWilliams1  @bkgreenfeet 1 question:  are you stupid?

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 @KyleWilliams1 take it easy, guy. Like I said, you're not the first person to come at me for the choice of words I used. The panties and pear clutching comments were directed to the population at large, as well as the outrageous outrage that has been left in the comments, not necessarily you. And don't direct my "panties" comment back at me... come up with your own insult. Maybe, "change your tampon" or "pull out your fainting couch" or "take your estrogen supplement."   (that's me joking around, by the way, in case it wasn't clear.)

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