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Home » Op-Ed » Navy SEAL Lessons Learned From Newtown Connecticut

Navy SEAL Lessons Learned From Newtown Connecticut

by Brandon Webb · December 15, 2012 · Posted In: Op-Ed
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Killing and terrorizing innocent people appears to be the new fad of the mentally disturbed America. So we tune in once again but continue to do relatively nothing to protect ourselves and children from these crazed maniacs. We do more to prevent weapons and bombs on planes then we do on school campuses.

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And so another mentally ill man walked into a school and murdered 26 innocent people, worst of all most of them were children under the age of ten. How can we prevent this from happening in the future? What technologies are there that can help? How can we educate ourselves on prevention? Why are we not putting political pressure on our elected officials to provide meaningful solutions rather than sympathetic media sound bytes and pounding the anti-gun war drums? All good questions to ask.

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There’s so many lessons learned in the Special Operations community that can be applied to everyday life. After the Aurora shooting I was inspired to write a short e-book with tips on how to survive an active shooter.

Recently I learned about the Newton tragedy while on vacation in Africa, and as a father myself (with kids in elementary school) I wanted to write something that would provide solutions.  I decided to take a quick survey of former SEAL teammates, many of them now work in tier one corporate security, I asked them what their thoughts were.

Here’s what we came up with.

1. It Takes A Village

Right away, parents and teachers in local schools can start a School Watch.  It would be a voluntary program augmented by parents. More adult eyes, ears, and cell phones around schools can only help and likely push predators away. Educating teachers on how to deal with active shooters is also key. Creating and implementing a standardized system of awareness

2. Leverage Technology

Expensive? How much is your child’s life worth? I don’t know of any community that wouldn’t support their local school in raising outside funds to purchase some technology that could provide an early warning. Several examples are:

  • Metal Detectors
  • Conventional and high-energy X-ray
  • Active millimeter wave imaging (most of us have been through these at the airport)
  • Energetic trace explosives detection.

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“If a airplane full of people is worth the screening, then our children should be worth it as well. We developed a lot of technology post 911 to detect box cutters, lets put some of that at our schools”, said one former Navy SEAL who works in the security sector.

Schools are pretty good about funneling visitors through one entry way and adding technology to these funnels wouldn’t prevent but they would disrupt and warn. The further from the classroom the better.

3. Be More Aware

It is difficult to predict behavior, but easy to PAY ATTENTION to it, especially with all the paths of communication these days. In every case there have been warning signs, clues, and outright threats that go ignored. Whether its journals that go unread or disturbing tweets, we must start paying attention. We have to take cries for help seriously and OVER COMMUNICATE warning signs to those surrounding these potential murderers. Bottom line, if there are threatening clues or cues being broadcasted – tell someone, tell the authorities, retweet it, so that the warnings can be reciprocated with action.

Summary

There are things we can and should be doing right now to help prevent these things in the future. Churchill said it best. “I never worry about action, but only about inaction”. It’s time for us Americans to take action.

Look for more feedback from the rest of our writing team this week.

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As I was wrapping up this post a representative from Escape the Wolf informed me that they are working on an Escape the Wolf e-learn for kids as we speak. It’s very similar to their travelers eLearning but more interactive with a emphases sexual predators, active shooters, and online threats.

The company is comprised of former intelligence and Special Operations professionals, and also informed us that they are willing to consult with public schools about security measures for free.

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Brandon Webb

Brandon Webb is a former U.S. Navy SEAL with combat deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, and elsewhere in the Middle East. His last tour in the SEAL Teams was as the Course Manager for the US Navy SEAL Sniper program, arguably one of the most difficult sniper courses in the world. He was formerly a contributing editor for Military.com, and currently the Editor-in-Chief of SOFREP.com. Brandon is regularly featured in the media as a subject matter expert on military affairs. An avid writer, his last two books (The Red Circle, & Benghazi: The Definitive Report) both hit the New York Times best seller list, and his writing has been featured in print, and digital media worldwide. You can follow him on Twitter @BrandontWebb

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Allwet
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From Ranger Up, William Tango Foxtrot, I say again...http://news.sky.com/story/1042783/murder-confession-teen-copies-horror-film

Read this-funny the media isn't all over this, oh wait, hollywierds habit of weaning kids on ultra violence while misdirecting blame and doing what they do best-FAKE IT- shirking accountability all together.

This is posted in another thread, as well, because I couldn't find this one...but this something that needs to be read by all.

RedSpecnaz
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Terrorism is a deadly virus that has the most sensitivity to the place in our society, to our children ...

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts

As a teacher of 25 years I can tell you no one has ever approached me on this topic, present company included.

 

We're on our own.

dunrossinsf
dunrossinsf 5pts

One of the most useful proposals I've heard is to extend background checks to anyone lving in the same household as a gun buyer. Would help keep weapons out of the hands of the mentally ill.

Tango9
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 @dunrossinsf So if you're dad's a shithead you can't own a firearm?  Or I misread what you posted.  Explain please.

ufridman
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Here's what I wrote for ITS Tactical about the security in schools in Israel and the way we do things over there.

 

http://www.itstactical.com/intellicom/mindset/can-we-apply-israeli-principles-and-proactively-protect-our-loved-ones/

kamiller6250
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@ck5150: I just think he was so dissociated (disconnected) from the world because the pain was so intense. It's hard for us to comprehend just how much pain he must have held inside, but it went to the point of anger. It became like a symbolic killing. One theory: He did it to symbolize how he didn't want them to suffer. Just saying. Anything can be stored in that brain. He certainly had developed this sense of anger and hate over a period a several months or even years.

Sonnys Mom
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 @kamiller6250  There are various scenarios being "reported"-- that Lanza's mom "couldn't control him"; that Lanza's mom "did everything she could for her son". If he was given special training in recognizing "right from wrong" and restraining his own impulsive behaviors, he clearly didn't benefit from it. And we're still not really sure how much self-awareness he actually had, or how much understanding of the harm his actions could inflict on others.

kamiller6250
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I want to add that when I mean he did not want them to suffer, I mean to refer to his situation. Not to suffer as he felt he was. He felt he was saving their misery. Just not rational at all and incomprehensible, but I believe firmly that is what was going on.

vividlistener
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is there any other country which is dealing with this problem as much as America?perhaps a country where are guns legal and everywhere and a part of society?the answer is ,we Americans have a right to have a guns,right?well that's what is a part of us,in our society unlike other countries will have this included as an issue,well we are not going to eliminate the guns,we are going to eliminate the freedom and put more restrictions on us.Hey let me check you first thing in the morning if you have a gun or something.where are we headed here in the America?I do know that the worst thing is to see dead innocent children,but with this,we take freedom from our children as well in theres future.

 

kamiller6250
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Mental illness is not a disease. It is a disorder where there are symptoms. Symptoms can be alleviated with different types of therapy that is determined by trained professionals. It generally takes a lifetime of therapy and medication to help with the symltoms. Even then, there is no guarantee. But everyone has a part in recognizing when a person is "off". Many times they have journals or trails of information and certain things they say or do can shed light. My own child has made threats to kids who bullied and I attempted to give the school the Information and they rather took it like I was just talking nonsense. For his protection at the time (age 11), I pulled him to homeschool him. But this leaves a kid with these problems isated and without friends. That is the worst thing when social skills are already a deficit. It does take a village to raise a child. Small, rural towns and communities understand this.

kamiller6250
kamiller6250 5pts

Problems *isolated and without friends

ScottMcEwen
ScottMcEwen 5pts

Great article Brandon.

usapatriotonthemove
usapatriotonthemove 5pts

I'll be downloading that ebook BW.  Thanks as always, for the insight and information.  These events remind us how delicate life really is.  The fact that it took place this time of year, doesn't help matters.  I just had a discussion this morning with a colleague about mental illness, and how there's an issue with how "we, as a country handle these people"  We discussed the "fiscal cliff" negotiations, and how it could have ramifications within the handling of these people currently as well?  I'm willing to bet video games will be brought up at some point too?  Grrrr....You hit the nail on the head though.  I can only hope the POTUS takes the correct approach to handling this, and doesn't use this incident to launch a personal agenda that has been looming for the past 4 years.  

Sonnys Mom
Sonnys Mom 5pts

 @usapatriotonthemove  Dream on: in the mind of an Alinsky disciple like POTUS, this tragedy is simply "a crisis too good to waste"...

Whitten
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I fully expected for this thread to explode with comments so numerous that what I am about to ask could have already been asked and answered but here goes anyway.

 

On Brandon's point #2) I both agree with it and disagree.

I agree that in a situation where a shooter was unaware of its presence and was forced to pass through the detector of some sort it would help give an early warning.  It would also prevent other such issues of unwanted items from being brought into the school through the visitor entrance.

 

I disagree that an expensive detection device would have done much if anything in a situation like this.  My reasoning here is that someone that is set on causing the kind of destruction like this will more than likely be aware that the device is in place and make entry at another point in the building.  In most school buildings you have a multitude of entry and exits spread all over the place with people coming and going through out the day either changing classrooms, going to lunch, or heading to the playground.  As you come up through the schools i.e. elementary, middle, and high schools students move about the campus even more freely which means anyone wanting to gain entry and wreak havoc will identify that going through the visitors area will slow them down and alert school admins that there is an issue.  Honestly I feel like unless you are willing to put some kind of detection or security at every entry  and exit point around the building having one single detector would more than likely yield a great deal of purse searches, and pockets dumps rather than actually prevent a shooting.

 

The unfortunate truth is that almost all of the school building designs in the country right now make for a security nightmare.  They were never intended to be high security facilities because at the time when most schools were built things like these shootings were not occurring. 

 

What would I suggest to solve the problem?  The most simple and effective solution is one that will never happen.  The current political climate and stigma placed upon any type of gun owner would keep a realistic approach to arming teachers and administrators.  It might be worth exploring the possibility of training a group of teachers and other school personnel on some types of emergency preparedness methods which could include possibly having roving security armed with non lethal weapons like tasers, high powered flashlights etc..

 

I dunno, I have some other ideas floating around my head...curious to see what y'all think.

 

 

Sonnys Mom
Sonnys Mom 5pts

@Whitten

As an alternative to gun control legislation, in today's (Dec. 21, 2012) press statement the NRA proposes a "National School Shield Emergency Response Program" to including safety awareness training, armed on-site security, even building design (toward end of statement).

http://home.nra.org/#

Txazz
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 @Whitten You are so right - your topic has been discussed every which way but, loose.  Take a stroll down through the thread and you'll find the discussions fascinating and will most certainly answer your question.

Interestingly enough Sofrep always gets there first and, what do I find in my email this morning.

Gun Expert Lott: Let Teachers Carry Arms, Ban Gun-Free Zones to Halt Mass Shootings

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Lott-guns-Connecticut-shooting/2012/12/15/id/467903?s=al&promo_code=111C9-1

Txazz
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 @Whitten Excellent articles this morning.

Geraldo Rivera (Sort of) Admits: Guns Needed in Schools

http://clashdaily.com/2012/12/geraldo-rivera-admits-guns-needed-in-schools-well-sort-of/

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 @CK5150

 That does suck. With these long comment threads, I really try to leave my computer on with the article up otherwise it is a pain. When that does happen or I have to shut down for some reason, the best way I have found is to immediately scroll down to add 50 comments and keep doing that until a couple hundred are displayed again before I start reading or responding. That seems to work better. When I don't, sometimes I will post a couple of comments then try to load up the next 50 or more and LiveFire won't load the next 50. Anyway, my 2 cents and experience.

CK5150
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 @LauraKinCA Thanks.  Seems like posting a new comment works.  I'll make sure they're something derogatory about Livefyre to make me feel better.  

LauraKinCA
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 @CK5150

 Get ready folks..... CK is ready to unleash. Rant on.....   :)

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CK5150
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I think we broke livefyre.  Mine is showing only 98 comments instead of the 460+ that should be on here

 

engelbrad
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 @CK5150

 It's broke like a man with a family full of girls before Christmas!

dmalert
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 @engelbrad  @CK5150 LMAO.  Dude that is so funny. 

LauraKinCA
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 @CK5150  @dmalert  @engelbrad

 You, Brad, PH2, and TKW will have to compare notes on dealing with girls :)

CK5150
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 @LauraKinCA  @dmalert  @engelbrad Thanks, my wife is the positive influence.  I swear I never knew girls could fight like they do.  If I had boys, I'd just say screw it and let them beat each other silly.  Harder to do with girls. 

LauraKinCA
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 @CK5150  @dmalert  @engelbrad

 Aaawww, that is so sweet of your kids. They sound great, which is a reflection on their upbringing and role models. Besides, Santa really is magical in how he comes through with some of the best stuff :)

CK5150
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 @LauraKinCA  @dmalert  @engelbrad Attempt being the key word.  It's kinda like saying "I'll just have one piece of pizza".  Sounds good, but hard to follow.  My kids are too smart, they just ask Santa for the big stuff.  That being said, they really don't ask for much, and neither one of them has gotten a birthday gift for some time.  Each year they ask their friends to bring dog food, etc which we take to donate to local dog rescues.  

LauraKinCA
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 @CK5150  @dmalert  @engelbrad

 Isn't that some attempt to limit the number of toys (or at least the cost of said toys) that are purchased for said children? You will have to educate me. I only have a niece, my dog, and a few other close adult relatives to buy stuff for :)

CK5150
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 @LauraKinCA  @dmalert  @engelbrad what the hell is a Christmas budget?  LOL

LauraKinCA
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 @dmalert  @engelbrad  @CK5150

 You will find that Brad is great for comic relief. Apparently he has been super busy breaking his Christmas budget for his girls recently, which is why he hasn't been here much :)

CK5150
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 @engelbrad Ha ha ha lol....oh, wait.  Shit, that's me!

Old PH2
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 @engelbrad  @CK5150 I'm in that club!  BTDT!

hjw1dr
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 @ArcticWarrior @majrod @dmalert @Old PH2 @StormR   Hi ya'll...I've tried replying to several posts, but livefyre seems to be having trouble counting today. Really confused... and slow. Prob a lot of people on social nets slowing down the system. Anyway, I will check in later and try replying-- but if I can't--- Well, it's been a great conversation!  

I'm sure this topic won't go away soon.  plenty of emotion to play out on this one.

Peace :)

engelbrad
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 @hjw1dr  @ArcticWarrior  @majrod  @dmalert  @Old PH2  @StormRI've been trying to catch up and man has there been alot of reading to do!

I'm very impressed with the great thinking on this thread. Well done!

majrod
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Pres is promoting gun control at a Conn memorial.

 

The bodies haven't even been released to the parent's yet.

 

Remember that as the anti-gun crowd leverages the most heinous acts to further their agenda.  

 

Elections have consequences...

hjw1dr
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 @majrod I didn't watch his speech. I can form my own opinions, just as anyone else can.

 

Personally, I don't think a time of grief is a good time for moralizing. Each person has to come to terms with what happened in their own way. The grief of those who lost their child or loved one isn't  the time to be used as a place to grandstand -- it's just too emotional nor is it useful. Take Westboro group for example-- It rakes up too much anger and disgust at a time when calm needs to be the goal. There is little to be gained by speeches that further division. Let people grieve-- and if you want to make political arguments, then do it in a place created for public discourse-- 

dmalert
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 @majrod 2nd amendment isn't  going anywhere regardless of the current dog and pony show. 

engelbrad
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 @majrod

 I turned it off. I can't take any more. We can't even mourn and prey for our children struck by tragedy without our "leadership" campaigning for political agenda.

 

CK5150
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 @engelbrad  @majrod I think he is doing what any President would and should do.  The hard part is that his words to unite and console are quickly followed with words that demonize and divide.  

Jaycel Adkins
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 @StormR  @engelbrad  @CK5150 Spot on Storm, Spot on. 

CK5150
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 @Recon6  @notdrakebell  @StormR  @engelbrad  @hjw1dr  @majrod It's always bad, and it is the same sorrow I feel when I see reports of troops being killed by car bombs in A-stan over the weekend.  They are all equally terrible and the families all feel the same pain.  

Recon6
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 @notdrakebell  @StormR  @engelbrad  @CK5150  @hjw1dr  @majrod   NDB, I am safe in saying that most All of us at SOFREP have been devastated by this...children are sacred.  It tears at our very souls..that being said, I had similar feeling over two months ago when four Americans were killed in Benghazi, I ranted and raved then too.  I am Not comparing apples to apples, but rather where the hell was the Indignation when the four were killed, other than by a few of us here?

Please spare me the 'they were adults, or SEALs, or knew what they were getting into' etc.  To me, They were Americans, and No One has been held accountable.

Do I compare the two incidents?  No, of course not.  But there are parents of those four Americans just as there are of those children, and for them, where are the answers??  Hillary is ill, too ill to testify?  My Ass!!  Man the fuck Up Sec of State!!  Tell us the Truth!  Just as we seek answers for this horrendous tragedy in CT, why are there no answers for Benghazi?

And No, this was Not the place for my ???, however, I feel Pain and frustration every time an American dies, whether in war or senseless violence......6

Recon6
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 @CK5150  @StormR  @engelbrad   I grew up in a rooming house in the ghetto, probably similar to MajRod.  I received a lot of ass whipping until I could outrun those of another race.  I learned every back alley way to our apartment, to be caught meant to be beaten up for being white.  That being said, gun violence was not then chosen by many, simply an ass kicking.

Those circumstances today, someone would probably have a knife or gun since they couldn't out run me....times have changed and so have people.....6

RVN SF VET
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 @notdrakebell  @StormR  @engelbrad  @CK5150  @hjw1dr  @majrod I think that it would be wise to note what time he actually arrived in Newton and how he spent his time off camera. He spent most of the day with parents and first responders. Some of the first responders from the Newton PD were crying. What he said was interesting, but what he did during those hours before his comments is what really counts. He can't remove the scars from people's psyches, but he probably left them with something additional to remember.

 

I would like to draw your attention to the fact that the shooter stopped his savagery and killed himself when the first police appeared in the corridor. Those were maybe 2 or 3 cops from the Newton force who followed the new "active shooter" SOP of going in immediately without regard to their personal safety. It worked. That is why they received a standing ovation when they entered the auditorium. Those few officers and the teachers were real heroes.

LauraKinCA
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 @dmalert  @notdrakebell

 dm, you took the words and thoughts right out of my head! I really don't think it is the violence of movies and video games but the perception of reality and core values that are not discussed between parents and kids after/as they watch/play.

dmalert
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 @notdrakebell As per moral - I mean we can't have a society where we don't care for our children and frankly each other, but children are the most vulnerable.  Moral also in terms of what is good/conducive for a child to become a stable adult.  It's not just violence, but insane materialism - reality TV - I have money you don't - you're a loser.  Plus when you get away from interaction with real people and it's all video games, twitter, etc. I think all of this combined doesn't lead to a strong moral compass.  It would take longer to explain than this, but I hope my point makes sense. And then perhaps absentee parents.  So look at Columbine, Aurora and now this kid - arguably we have a problem with some of our youth.

engelbrad
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 @notdrakebell  @StormR  @CK5150  @hjw1dr  @majrod

We'll be trading rounds my friend! Hope that day happens... Well said but remember... Respect for Leadership needs to be commanded. I agree that our President has a lack of courtesy with that detail. It is not your journey to request that for him. It is his journey to achieve it. As with all great leaders... His words, his actions, his accomplishments will precede his true respect. He won't need to be perfect but he will need to be effective and honest. We will judge today and we will judge again tomorrow. The historians will judge the day after. Only one man will know for certain if he was a leader. That will be himself because a great leader needs no vocal affirmation from anyone... just true respect from all of them.

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 @CK5150  @notdrakebell  @StormR  @engelbrad  @hjw1dr  @majrod Add to this when he starts doing his job as mayor focusing on jobs, fixing the budget woes, not worrying about soda drinking, etc.  His ego is out of control.

dmalert
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 @notdrakebell I think you're right - if so people will be encouraged to hide any problem rather than treat it.  The media on the other hand will feast until they can't get anything out of it.  Also unclear how a full picture can be formed at this point.  This is a problem of Twitter - I gotta have it now, but not too many details cause I can only listen for 15 seconds at a time - culture.  The truth is any fix is probably quite tough.  This is a serious societal problem, which I think at the core is a lack of community and morality.  When you have a tighter community or better yet one that cares they'll notice people getting a bit odd.  Hollywood is extremely irresponsible with all the violence they churn out and this affects young people particularly in absence of having a strong foundation mentally and morally.

 

We also live in a weird time.  So much stress economic and other.  Well I'll stop now.  LOL 

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 @notdrakebell  @dmalert I went to HS with a kid who had M.S.  It was a smaller school so we had lots of classes together, and I would say he was my friend.  No one made fun of Joe.  That being said, research the ACLU's efforts to block legislation on tougher mental health laws.  

CK5150
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 @dmalert  @notdrakebell  @StormR  @engelbrad  @hjw1dr  @majrod As soon as Bloomberg publicly disbands his armed security detail, I'll pay attention to him.  

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 @notdrakebell  @engelbrad  @CK5150  @hjw1dr  @majrod   Thanks, NDB, I will most definitely use your link.   I also sobbed when the Muslim boy sang his prayer....listening to a child praying for lost children.

 

dmalert
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 @StormR  @notdrakebell  @engelbrad  @CK5150  @hjw1dr  @majrod Storm I think people should deal with it as they need.  It's so shocking it's hard for pols to become indignant and say he need gun control.  This being said I doubt much will happen.

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 @dmalert  @notdrakebell  @engelbrad  @CK5150  @hjw1dr  @majrod   I watched an inter-faith service that he spoke at, dmalert.  I, too, have felt the need to 'do' something, and the only thing I can 'do' was watch that service, share in their pain and add my prayer to theirs.  The moment wasn't about the President and his were the least important words spoken in that room. 

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 @notdrakebell  @StormR  @engelbrad  @CK5150  @hjw1dr  @majrod You're right about this no going anywhere.  He has too much on his plate and one needs to choose their battles.  The economy is going to get very tight, Obamacare has massive problems and like the economy will unwind or just be very tough.  Plus Syria is a big mess.  And as things get tougher that's when Benghazi will resurface.  Bloomberg and Gonadler can whine all they want, but they too will get hit on economic issues.

 

As for the speech - didn't watch it.

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 @notdrakebell  @engelbrad  @CK5150  @hjw1dr  @majrod NDB, I had never heard it before and it was so incredibly moving and real.  I felt that even thought I didn't understand a single word, I felt every one of them and knew them.  I was finally able to cry about this tragedy - it was healing.   The Rabbi was one of two clergy who were with the parents when they were told their children had been killed.   During a brief interview, he said that he had come from Israel to CT, and I think, had been there 10 years. 

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 @notdrakebell  @StormR  @CK5150  @hjw1dr  @majrod

 

Intellectual as always notdrake! Agree or disagree I enjoy reading your posts... I did go in to it defensive. That being said I try to listen to the message.

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 @notdrakebell  @engelbrad  @CK5150  @hjw1dr  @majrod   Thanks NDB - you said it much better than I did, but I came away with exactly the same assessment.  I have to admit that I started crying during the Hebrew prayer of mourning and was pretty dang emotional by the time he spoke.  The strength of that community just humbles me and the inter-faith service was one of the most powerful I've ever seen - and I've done a number of them in my time - although never for something that horrendous and unimaginable.  I was also impressed that it was held in their high school, simply furnished and made the President sit in the audience and not speak until the end.  With the eyes of the world upon them, they let us into their home.

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 @StormR  @engelbrad No worries. There is no good way to describe it.  

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 @engelbrad  @CK5150   'this type of massacre' were my words, not his.   I don't remember how he phrased it. 

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 @StormR  @engelbrad I grew up in small towns or suburbs.  I definitely feel like we all were looked after by the neighborhood.  I know some of my extended "parents" wish they could've given me a few whacks on the backside, and they would have been well deserved.  

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 @StormR  @CK5150

 Stormy... Well said and I agree with you and your passion for just about everything you stated. The one exception is "this type of massacre". I'm not sure that is exactly what he said but I'll read the transcription and will be remiss if he did use those words.

You're thoughts are on target and we're in the same camp in my opinion. Maybe not the same tent, and thank God,... because Shanda would kill me!... LOL!... again, well said Stormy:)

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 @engelbrad  @CK5150  Brad, I think he said what needed to be said that this nation is not doing all that it can to care for its children.  And the only specifics he mentioned were mental health and schools.  I agree completely with the assessment that there is much more that should be done to care for our children - starting in the home.  I rant regularly on SOFREP about children.  He also said exactly what the parents in that town and parents across the world needed to hear - that this must never happen again.   He also mentioned that it was the 4th time during his term that he had spoken to the victims and families of this type of massacre.  He's mad and it shows.  I'm mad, you're mad, every right thinking person in America is mad...and that's a good thing.  Gun control is not the answer to this issue and I would not support any attempts in that direction.  But a conversation in America about violence and children is way overdue.  Unfortunately, I don't see anything solid coming out of that conversation - if it even happens.  The problem didn't occur overnight and wouldn't be solved overnight.  And I'm f-ing sick of band-aids.   Bottom line - he said what needed to be said - even though it was unpopular.  It needed to be said that as a society, we are failing our children.   Every child should be everyone's child.

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 @CK5150  @majrod

 Notice he was standing?... not sitting??? I'm thinking his caboose was still sore from the last episode;)

CK5150
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 @engelbrad  @majrod Maybe he learned his lesson from last time.  

engelbrad
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 @CK5150  @majrod

 The snakes rattle worked this time!... lol

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 @CK5150  @majrod

 I padded my TV with pillows!

CK5150
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 @engelbrad  @majrod Agreed.  He may not have said the words "gun control" but you know that's what he means.  

Haltime in 49ers-Patriots.  Here comes the turd Bob Costas.  

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 @CK5150  @majrod

I agree that showing up and speaking was the right thing to do. I believe his heart was hit hard by this as it did all of us with children.  I believe his intentions to visit and mourn with the victims are sincere and presidential.

Tonight was not the time for setting the stage for agenda down the road. In-between his heartfelt thoughts and consoling he went there in my opinion. A filter should have stopped that. Agree or disagree with his position on the right to arms topic.... tonight was not the time or the place IMHO.

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 @majrod

 make that "pray" by the way... Been away for a little while and just had to return with a pitiful typo.

StormR
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 @engelbrad  @majrod I disagree and that's all I'm going to say.

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 @StormR  @engelbrad  @majrod I didn't feel I had the right attitude and the meeting was for the people there to honor them and their loss so I just had my own meeting with them to join my heart with theirs and pray.

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 @StormR  @majrod

 I respect your opinion on that stormy.

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