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Home » Op-Ed » BK’s Reaction to the Sandy Hook School Shooting

BK’s Reaction to the Sandy Hook School Shooting

by BK · December 17, 2012 · Posted In: Op-Ed
Reaction to the Sandy Hook School Shooting
I just dashed this off in the last hour, trying to put together a quick, initial reaction to the terrible news out of Connecticut, so please forgive all grammatical errors/redundancies. – BK

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Christ, talk about timing. The day my article defending the second amendment and right to self-defense is published, some psychopath named Adam Lanza goes on a shooting rampage at a school in Connecticut. Normally I don’t like to talk about gun policy immediately after such horrors, as emotions are running high and I find it in bad taste no matter what one’s thoughts may be on the issue.

However, since a whole lot of pundits are bringing it up again, I guess we need to talk about this incident now, not later. The school shootings always bring the calls for gun control, particular in this instance, as the victims were mainly small children and a few heroic teachers.

I’m a bit hesitant to delve into the specifics of the story, because the details tend to change rapidly as more information comes out. But let’s talk for a moment about the implications of this terrible massacre going by what we know right now.

First off, let me clear: This was a horrible act, perpetrated by a savage masquerading as human, who was obviously mentally disturbed. My heart absolutely breaks for the families who lost children. As a father myself, I can’t even begin to imagine what they are feeling.

This incident is going to really re-ignite the gun control debate, being as the victims were the most sympathetic of all- innocent young children. The President has already hinted that he was going to take action.

What kind of action is the question. The guns used in the killings, were all purchased legally by the shooter’s mother. It is still unclear what weapons specifically were used in the attack. There was reportedly a rifle found still in the car, but new reports are saying that a rifle was also used in the killings. Two rifles, then, perhaps? There were two handguns used (some accounts have said 4, but only 2 used,): a 9mm Sig-Sauer and a 9mm Glock. The latest reports are saying it was mostly the long gun.

Connecticut has some of the strictest laws in the nation when it comes to guns. Obviously, more laws wouldn’t have helped in this case, because the shooter had broken many already. He wasn’t old enough to posses a handgun (felony), and he stole the handguns from the legally registered owner (felony). Indeed, one report says that Lanza had attempted to purchase a rifle several days before, only to be rebuffed by the mandatory waiting period. So apparently, all existing gun laws worked as intended.

He also was able to easily get these weapons into a “gun-free zone” in a school. The school had apparently just instituted some sort of new security measures where the doors were locked after a certain time and one needed to be buzzed in after that. This doesn’t really work too well if someone just smashes up the window to get in, as is apparently the case. Entry control points are a fine idea, but not foolproof.

I think many have difficulty acknowledging a very tough truth: If someone is determined to end their own lives, while taking as many as possible with them, there is no possible way to stop them all, even after erecting an even bigger police state than we have now. It just cannot be done. It is the jihadist’s techniques in Iraq and Afghanistan all over again. How does one fight such an enemy?

More gun-control laws would not have stopped this. So, the choices here are pretty simple. If one is sympathetic to the ideas of less guns, the only way to achieve that will be the outright banning of all weapons. Obviously, this means massive government confiscation, taking away all weapons from law-abiding citizens, including handguns, rifles, and shotguns. This would almost assuredly, put an end to these sort of massacres, at least when a gun is the instrument of choice.

Unfortunately, it would also mean an end to the American’s right to keep and bear arms.

There is no doubt this would lessen gun crime in the United States. This would leave American citizens defenseless against violence, crime and tyranny, but if we’re being honest, of course it would work. I know that’s not the side I’m on, but, as a logical thinker, it would obviously have the desired effect. Take away all guns, you will take away a huge number of gun-related violence.

The question is: Is that the road we are going to go down because of a few suicidal nuts bent on taking out as many innocents as they can? Because of a spectacular event that is extremely rare? As long as guns exist, they will be stolen, sold, or otherwise end up in the hands of someone who was never intended to have them. The only option is to remove the gun from existence.

Gun-control proponents are constantly saying, “Look, we don’t want to take away everyone’s guns, but…” Then they are wasting time. If they want to have this “discussion,” (the word I have been hearing non-stop on the news for the last 24 hours,) then let’s have some honesty.

The only way to reduce gun deaths and gun crime to non-existent levels would be to confiscate every gun in the United States, eliminate the gun industry as it exists, and make it impossible for anyone in this country to legally own any sort of weapon. So is this their position? Fine. Have an elected official draw it up in a bill and get it passed in Congress. But spare me the need for more “discussion.”

A better idea, in my opinion, would be to have arms available in the schools. It used to be fairly common, especially in more rural areas, for guns to be present in schools, as many hunted before and after school. These sort of shootings never happened. back then. So what happened to change all this? Is it really sound advice to take cover in classrooms and just hope that an active shooter chooses not to enter the classroom?

I think it’s safe to say that the signs warning of “gun free zones” aren’t exactly having the intended effect. Indeed, some schools are already going in this direction.

Why is it so wrong to have a principal or teachers well trained in firearms, or to have defensive weapons in schools? We have this childlike belief that it will never happen, and it keeps happening. We have a naivety that says we can’t have weapons of any kind in a school setting.

It is a sad commentary on today’s society that we must consider an armed guard in schools, or a principal/teacher who has the training and access to firearms for a last stand against a mass murderer, but a couple of Remington 870s in a gun safe may be the difference between life and death.

Consider: If a fire broke out in the chemistry lab, would you rather go in immediately with a fire extinguisher or just hope for the best and wait for the fire department?

As I mentioned in my article, the police, with all of their military style gear that they adore putting on and playing soldier with, even when it’s completely unnecessary, showed up armed to the teeth, and prevented absolutely nothing. All their Crye precision camo, their assault rifles and ballistic helmets, their armored vehicles… they weren’t able to prevent dick.

When it is you and you alone in a life or death situation, help is not going to get to you in time. Prepare accordingly. A single guard, or SOMEONE trained in weapons perhaps could have done something to prevent this carnage. Are there no ex-military teachers?

I know that, for right now, this is a pipe dream, so spare me the technical analysis on why it would never happen. Like I said, these are quick musings on the situation, not a researched paper. The soccer moms would freak out if they knew the principle had weapons. They don’t seem to have any problems with drug sniffing dogs, random urinalyses, cameras and metal detectors everywhere, and goddamn mandatory radio-tracking chips in student IDs, but those icky weapons are just too much. I’m not really sure why: It doesn’t take a whole lot of training to be able to point a scattergun at a murderer and blow him away, just courage. But this is where we are.

Judging by the media coverage, one may be forgiven for assuming that this must be an epidemic of epic proportion in America, where schools are routinely sprayed with automatic gunfire, where thousands of children every year are murdered, where schools and children are constantly at risk from a lone gunman entering with multiple high-capacity magazines and wantonly murdering people. This is simply false.

Let us examine the hard facts: violent crime in the United States has been steadily decreasing over the last 20 years, people victimized in crimes involving firearms has dropped by 60% during 2000-2009, and school homicides have been steadily decreasing. In they year 2011, 323 people were killed by rifles. That same year, almost 1,700 were killed by knives. More people were killed with shotguns than rifles. Meanwhile, also in 2011, over 32,000 people were killed in automobile accidents, to put things in perspective. One nut who committed multiple weapons felonies should not dictate a loss of rights to millions of lawful gun owners.

Of course, none of this is stopping the rush to make terrible laws by politicians who have long awaited a ghoulish happening like this to further their political agendas. Have we learned nothing from the rush to install the PATRIOT act?

Emotions run high after these events, and it is difficult to think logically and problem-solve. The logical reality is: We can either remove all firearms from civilian existence, or we live knowing that this kind of event can happen, and prepare accordingly the best we can, with respect to liberty and privacy. That is the choice. And it is not a trifling choice, either way.

I do not pretend to speak for the other writers here at SOFREP; I’m sure they all have their own opinions which will be offered or not offered as they wish. I wouldn’t even have been moved to write something if it hadn’t been for the sickening spectacle of politicians rushing to the cameras to get their faces on TV.

I pray for those families. I wish I had been there to blow Lanza’s head off and buttstroke him into the next life. But I wasn’t. And neither was anyone else.

What do you guys think?

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shagstar
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http://reidsright.blogspot.com/2012/12/obama-wants-our-guns.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2FEPdTm+%28SHE%27S+RIGHT%29&utm_content=Yahoo%21+Mail

Txazz
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WE KNOW HOW TO STOP SCHOOL SHOOTINGS

Only one public policy has ever been shown to reduce the death rate from such crimes: concealed-carry laws.

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2012-12-19.html#read_more

Txazz
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There was a bit of confusion at the local sporting goods store this morning.  When I was ready to pay for my purchase of a box of .45 ammo the cashier said, "Strip down, facing me." Making a mental note to complain to the manager about the anti-gun people running amok, I did as she instructed. When her hysterical shrieking finally subsided, I learned she was referring to my credit card. I have been asked to shop elsewhere in the future.   They really need to make instructions more clear for to us seniors!

Recon6
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 @Txazz   LOL, Thank You, a Perfect Christmas Joke, lol.  I went to Wally World early this

morning and picked up another case of 9 mm and 2 boxes of .45, slowly finding places with

ammo, oh, and a shelf Full of .308 !!  Where's AW, lol....6

Txazz
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 @Recon6 Hey 6, you remind me so much of my cousin whom I shall call Cowboy (we all do) and he tickles me spitless.  Yes, yes, he's a Texan and not too long ago he called me and was in his kitchen telling me a coon had gotten in and was behind the stove.  Yep, you got it - he whipped out his gun and shot him.  I laughed so hard tears ran down my face but, that's normal.  He always makes me laugh.

Recon6
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 @Txazz  @ChupaCabra  OMG!  That is the most Awesome picture!!

To actually be able to take that pic would be amazing!  What a beautiful

animal, just WOW....6

Txazz
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 @ChupaCabra  @Recon6 Well, those coyotes are all in town now.  lol  I get pics every Tues of mydailycoyote.net a young author in Wyoming who ended up raising a coyote pup, Charlie, and is most interesting.  He has plenty of fenced space to run but, only 2 ppl will Charlie be around.  Shreve put out a book is how I found her and her website.  It's quite interesting and he's a few years old now.

You can share vids here so we could see those.  Show off that cougar. 

You know down here in my country this year we've seen the return of the Jaguar and most amazing.  Here is article from 2011 but, we've seen this this year, too.  My heartbreak was when Macho B died - he had been here many years and doing fine until the Fish and Game decided to trap and collar him.  After that he died - I was furious.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2011/11/jaguar-spotted-southern-arizona-macho-b.html

Recon6
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 @Txazz  @ChupaCabra   Interesting about traps, as I began to acquire a rather large population of coons, I bought a couple of traps, initially I was able to capture 5-6, but Then, none!!  They must have figured out the 'trap' was not to their liking, even with the enclosed food goodies, and began avoiding the traps!!  Guess they figured there was/is ample dog food from Sadie as she will share with the exception of her peanut butter cookies, lol....6

(thank goodness the cookies are the cheapo's from Wally!)

Txazz
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 @ChupaCabra  @Recon6 Come on Wingman, tell us more about your wild critters - the big ones you capture on your critter-cams.  Awesome.

Txazz
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 @ChupaCabra  @Recon6 Aw you know I like that story.  Poor Buster and how tricky was that.  He just wanted some food, too.  My friend's cats eat right along with the coons or vice versa.

Recon6
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 @Txazz   Tex, I agree, lol.  I too laughed at the 'image' of Cowboy

doing that, shooting behind the stove, lol.....6

Txazz
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 @Recon6 6, the reason I laughed was because of Cowboy, not the poor coon.  What a rascal.

Txazz
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 @Recon6 How sad is that - can you believe a kid loosing the dogs 'cause he is mad.  Would be the last time he ever did that.    Wish you could post a pic of Sadie.  What a sweetheart.  Now, I'll be thinking about poor Charlie.

Yes, dog food is a good thing and a friend in Dallas area keeps it out for her dogs, cats, and coons.

Oh pigs are smart, actually the smartest animal.  We raised pigs and they could open their gate and get out they were so clever.  A neighbor gave my son the runt of the litter and Wilbur lived in our big old ranch house.  He was so tiny and I'm trying to think what happened to him.

I would not have shot the coon (they can be savage when trapped) as think of the mess but, Cowboy sure did.

Recon6
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 @Txazz  Then Lady, I shall consider it a 'Compliment' to be compared to your cousin!!  We have a pet pig, Sadie, bought her when she weighed 12 lbs, now well over 500!  She eats dog food by the way.  The 'coons love to share her dinner.  So this baby coon comes around, shyly at first, but over time and 'peanut butter cookies' Sadie's favorite treat which she won't share, this coon 'Charlie' comes closer till we can feed him by hand.  He grows into the friendliest guy and waits for dinner at Sadie's.  One day I hear a hell of a racket, go out, and 2 pit bulls have Charlie between them and have torn him apart!  I start shooting my

G19, but too far away and they run off.  I went to their owner and he apologized, seems his kid was pissed at Dad and let the dogs loose.  I told him if I ever saw them again I'd kill them (never did see them) and they moved away.

Sadly, Charlie was gone....6

ArcticWarrior
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 @Recon6  @Txazz@majrod 

 300 Win Mag and .308 were, according to my wife, in sufficient quatities at Cabelas where she was shopping for last minute items, the cheap white and cheap green and yellow boxes of .223 were flying off the shelves according to my non professional shooting, smarter and better looking other half. So 6 I will have to believe I am Ok. Good thing the FNAR and Bolt rifles arent mean enough looking to scare those anti-2d nuts like my litlle ARs do. Great thing about 308 6, you can get it anywhere!

To counter various knuckleheads trying to attempt to strong arm us into giving up our 2D Amend, Though I hate to throw actual Lawful documentation at people, feel free to include U.S.Code in Title 10, Section 311 Statute b (2) It kind of sinks the whole Militia means Standing Army BS 

"(b) The classes of the militia are - (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard  and the Naval Militia; and  (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the  Naval Militia.

  Key words being "unorganized militia"

 

Feel free to remind them that the 'Net did not exist in 1789 so if the Govt throws the Cell and Net kill switch they had better not complain about that, Govt checking peoples Cell Phone texts, Twitter, FB or any other media that they do look at without warrant which is a viloation of Amends 1 and 4.- Stored Communications Act (SCA) some are shocked to even learn that this exists at all !. BTW dont even bring up the Patriot Act to them, it wouldnt be fair and would distract from them watching "Reality" shows and Maddow.

 

They seem to not be able to respond when confronted with actual real laws and procedures that are used daily.

 

 

 

StormR
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 @Recon6  LOL, 6 - I've had one or three encounters with tear gas and skunk bothered me more :)   I just thought it was funny that the LEO was telling the kid that most of them didn't have masks and so probably wouldn't use tear gas. 

Recon6
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 @StormR  @ArcticWarrior  @Txazz   LOL, Stormy tear gas is not all That.  Every recruit endures the "Chamber" during training and must remove their mask, sucks but really isn't a big deal, lol....6

StormR
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 @ArcticWarrior  @Recon6  @Txazz   AW - this is off topic, but thought it might make you laugh.  I just returned from an "Idle No More"  Indian Flash Mob protest at the local mall.   Lots of police came near the end, and I overheard one say to a young man:  "You might want to leave now.  I don't think we'll use tear gas because most of us don't have our masks, but we might."   Thing #1 NOT to say to a protestor:  We have tear gas, but can't use it because we don't have masks.   This does not encourage said protestor to leave :) :)

AustinReisGreen
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Sadly this isn't about the kids.  I'm sure some in the liberal camp were happy to hear of the shooting.  Why? Because they were engineering the perfect massacre since columbine and waiting to capitalize.  Every shooting gets more coverage than the last.  Why? Because they want another "better" shooting.  They are maggots.  This is all about a lust for unbridled power, a hatred of our Constitution, and an ambivalence to the means to that end.  I really can't help but think that they were hoping for a second massacre prior to Christmas.  What else could explain their RABID and IRRESPONSIBLE week long coverage of the event?  Certainly they understand these shooters are lonely, desparate, psychologically unstable people, who are encouraged to commit heinous acts by said coverage and media glorification.  Look no further than Obama's recent horseshit use of "Sandyhook" to justify raising taxes on the 2% for "The Greater Good".  WTH?  What? I'm probably near poverty level.  I am not the 2%, but I tell you what- that cavalier capitalization of the deaths of children for tax revenue is sick and perverted. 

StormR
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I had a distressing conversation with a co-worker yesterday.  She asked me if I owned a gun, and when I said no, she launched into the whole 'must ban guns' script.  When she ran out of steam, I simply said:  I stand firm for the Constitution and 2nd Amendment and will not budge a step back from it.  And then she launched into the 'violent society' script, and I simply said:  It has always been violent society - there was just fewer outlets to report on it.  And that she launched on the 'but it has gotten more violent because of guns", and I simply said:  No, violence didn't change - the tool did.  Exasperated, she asked me if I had any solutions and I responded:  Yes, start fixing things from the bottom up - in the home - with parents teaching and modeling civilized behavior, responsibility and being good neighbors.  At this point she shook her finger at me and said, "after all the years I guess I didn't know you at all."  And apparently she was right:  I don't give up 'rights', I earn them.  I don't expect somebody else to fix the problems and I'm realistic and pragmatic about human beings.  So, no - after knowing me for 18 years, she doesn't know me at all.  It's kind of sad.   

bkgreenfeet
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 @StormR You should ask her if she supports gun confiscation. This is where they always say, "of course not!," which is bullshit, I know. But, as I said, at least that is a logical argument. But for these people who just want new laws that won't do anything... hard to say how to argue with them.

JohnAd
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 @bkgreenfeet  @StormR Yeah......I ran into this this morning on local paper blog.  This person was saying the "we will be safer with a gun free america" ......I countered that we would be safer with a VIOLENCE FREE WORLD.

Jaycel Adkins
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 @StormR Sad to hear that, Storm. People have boxes, and when you don't fit into them, their brains....EXPLODE!

StormR
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 @Jaycel Adkins  True that, Jaycel.  And I'll be the first to admit that I'm a difficult one to put a 'label' on.   It was distressing because she clearly felt that I failed her expectations of me.  And truly, about the only expectation one should have about me is that if a friend/family member needs me, I'll be there.  Everything else is subject to change - particularly as I age and learn - think and re-think - question and examine - and I can't seem to simply just 'accept' - it's a failing of mine :)

JohnAd
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 @Jaycel Adkins  @StormR   That is a nice story.  Thats the way we were raised. 

I remember when my Momma went next door to borrow a can of tuna to feed seven of us.....believe it or not it can be done.  I guess thats why I never throw food away. 

Jaycel Adkins
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 @StormR It was either that or this: 

 

A backpacker in the Highlands of Scotland stops in a pub to get a drink.  

And the only people in there are the bar tender and an old man nursing a beer. 

And he orders a pint, and sits in silence for a while. 

Suddenly the old man sitting beside him turns to him and says:

 

"You see this bar. I built this bar with my own two bare hands. Found the finest wood in the county. Gave it more love and care than my own child. But do they call me McGregor the bar builder?

 

NO.

 

*He points out the window.*

 

You see that stone wall out there. I built that stone wall with my bare hands. Found every stone, placed them just so through the rain and the cold. But do they call me McGregor the stone wall builder?

 

NO. 

 

*He points out the other window.*

 

You see that pier on the lake out there. I built that pier with my own two bare hands. Drove the pilings into tide and the sand, plank by plank. Do they call me McGregor the pier builder?

 

NO.

 

But you fuck one goat.

 

(kudos Andrew Stanton.) 

 

:D

 

Happy Holidays SOFREP Family. 

 

CABQ
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 @StormR  @Jaycel AdkinsMe, too!  Teach responsibility early!!!!  And give the kids a break when they own up to their actions and they are truly contrite.  Way to go, Jaycel!

StormR
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 @Jaycel Adkins  And that's the kind of parenting I'm talking about (including your Mom)!  Thank you for sharing that story, Jaycel, it does indeed brighten my day.

Jaycel Adkins
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 @StormR Faith in Humanity and the Future Story: 

 

A couple of days ago, I came home to find my garage splattered with paintballs shots. I live on a real life Wisteria Lane, it's kinda ridiculous. So I was a bit surprised, but also...kinda not. Properly pissed, I saw some 'neighborhood kids' across the street and walked over to have a 'conversation.' After they assured me that no one on our street had a paintball gun, I told them 'fair enough' but let me know if you see any suspicious characters around my house. Washed my garage and thought, Hmm...Next day, no paintball debris...cool. 

 

Today, after I go in the house to get some sheets because of a frost, my mom (she lives with me, I do not live with her, by that I mean I pay the mortgage) is talking to someone on the front porch. I walk out and it's this little boy, probably 8-10 years old and his dad (navy) talking to my mom. The kid's got a sheet of paper, typed top to bottom with an apology about how he was the one that 'threw' paintballs at my garage and then the kid starts crying. My mom then starts crying (!) and tells me to go back into the house and give them some food (!). We're Filipino. Long story short, bygones are bygones, I got a free helper with yard work and house up keep for as long as I wish and a little kid learned a lesson. 

 

So props to the kid, but major props to the Dad, for being a stand up guy and walking up my drive way not knowing if I was going to go ape and demand he repaint my house or something silly. I never would have found out who did it, given that the kid was NOT one of the ones I talked to a couple of days earlier. 

Jaycel Adkins
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 @StormR I'm not a sheep, a sheepdog, or a wolf. Yet I still exist? :0

 

I put up a SOFREP MAFIA Reading Group in the TeamRoom Forum, expects you there. ;)

 

 

CABQ
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 @StormR  @Jaycel AdkinsIt's not a failing, Storm, it's a strength.  If we don't go through life learning, then what do we become?  A fossile?  I, too, defy labels.  I consider myself a moderate/liberal, but I also blame people for not living up to their responsibilities.  I continually find myself in no-man's land.

CABQ
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 @StormR  You are tres cool, Storm.  I admire you.

StormR
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Geez...massive typos....must go make a pot of coffee.  I was running late this morning and had to rush to get the cat to the vet on time.  I'll be back here when I'm appropriately caffeinated.

CABQ
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 @StormR  Storm, as a total off-topic, I saw that you were Coastal Salish.  I've spent the last 25 years working for a law firm specializing in Indian law.  At one point, we were the largest Indian-owned law firm in the country.  One of our partners was the Founding Director of the Smithsonian Museum of the American Indian; one of our other partners  was first the Director of the BIA and then the second Director of the Smithonsian Museum of the American Indian.  Another partner was the first Native American to argue in front of the U.S. Supreme Court.  Totally cool.

CABQ
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 @StormR  The museum is beyond gorgeous.  When I was last in DC (my daughter/grandkids live in VA), I went and saw Kevin at the Museum and he took us around--truly, truly spectactular.

StormR
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 @CABQ  Way cool, CABQ!  Yes, I'm Puyallup.  I would dearly love to see the museum - I've heard it was amazing.  Indian law is as complex as just about anything can be LOL

CABQ
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 @StormR  Forget the coffee, it's 5 o'clock somewhere.

LauraKinCA
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 @StormR

 Glad to see you and sorry about the deal with your friend. It is sad. The guys were asking about where you were on the Newtown thread, so you should go reassure 6 you are around and kicking ass.

Surf375
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I'm not gonna bother with statistics, I'm just gonna talk about my own experience. Anecdotal, yeah, but it seems to be affirmed every where I go these days.//

 

Most in my family are part-time firearms/combatives instructors. I've assisted too many times in the classroom and range. Somewhere in the last decade you can see a turn in the people coming in for range time or instruction--I actually appreciate the folks who truly want to learn, but witnessed the rise of crazies and wannabes around the late 1990s, w/ a spike post-9/11.//

 

I can't pin point exactly when this turn happened, but I remember the people coming in use to be a lot brighter and balanced, police families, hunters, ex-military, they generally had a wider view of the world. These days, I walk by the parking lot in range and I'm seeing folks open up trunks of armory, people who have no business havings guns, no skills, no foresight, no common sense, no awareness, no physical strength to avert actual criminals from robbing them, these nuts are driving around with armories in the back of their trunk.//

 

I hardly go help out anymore because of all the crazies and wannabes. On the brite side, the combatives students seemed to have remained the same, I guess breaking a sweat and getting bruises is too much for our fast multiplying gun nuts.//

 

---

 

That's where I'm coming from--my background in this discussion, my childhood, up-bringing, positions I've held have all involved carrying firearms, I believe in the 2nd amend, and that the constitution is designed to STOP tyranny, know that before there's a necessity to stop TYRANNY, you need to be involved in this process, so firearms is a very small part in this process of ensuring a stop to Tyranny. We're far from Tyranny.  The flipside of tyranny which goes hand in hand is apathy and non-involvement. These crazies and wannabes are multiplying like rabbits, maybe it's the water, internet forums, I dunno, THIS is why I'm for some sort of licensing process--->> to stop the crazies and wannabes.//

 

Many times crazies and wannabes are one and the same. I've met a number of Mrs. Lanzas in the range and other venues, some in forms of badge bunnies, tag chasers, litebar lickers, bar cougars, psychos, moneyed tramping divorcées and their various incarnations. Women whose best advise you can give 'em is: DON'T own or carry a firearm, you'll just end up hurting yourself or others.//

 

Stopping Tyranny also means mitigating apathy and non-involvement. I've noticed with the rise of gun nuttery since 9/11, there have been a lot of anti-cop (& anti-fire). I don't know how to address this w/out getting too political, so I decided to respond to BK quote below using a grassroots, very do-able approach, in trying to make my point. So here goes...

 

---

 

 

 @bkgreenfeet wrote:

" … and every cop who I ever had dealings with was a FUCKING DICK… I got a ticket for smoking on the beach, at one in the morning, in January, beach completely deserted, and I was standing on the seawall! NOT EVEN ACTUALLY ON THE BEACH. Meanwhile, there's like heroin addicts under the pier a hundred yards away... that was like a 300 dollar ticket! I pulled out all the cards... disabled vet, PJ, blah blah... this guy didn't give a fuck.  So if I needle 'em from time to time, cut me some slack. "//

 

I can certainly empathize with this perspective, knowing a lot of cops, but would posit that this is the worst position to have re the changing gun climate now and the new laws that'll follow.//

 

Most cops are dicks, we kinda want them to be. Some are better at turning it on and off. But for a cop to give you a smoking ticket at 1am in a deserted beach in January, cold as fuck, is so chicken shit that being a dick just isn't enough to explain what happened, IMHO.//

 

I'm inclined to think there's more to this story either from your side or the cop's side, than just the ticket, because for a cop to pull out his ticket book, go thru a lot of bother, for something that doesn't really affect his recap just doesn't make sense. The bigger purpose for issuing chicken shit tickets is so they go to warrant, making it easier for them to arrest transients and petty criminals in the future.//

 

It's really simple to get out of these chicken shit tickets, three words DISCRETION, PROFESSIONAL COURTESY and CONNECTIONS. Now any Socal copper will tell you stories of CHPees giving 'em speeding tickets in Norcal, so this isn't 100% proof--Norcal CHP's top dawg, in Socal CHP's only one of many, and not the top dawg, hence the difference in outlook. For many cops, saying you're a vet, a PJ, that's enough, he'll probably get a vet from his watch to verify your story, but usually that's enough.//

 

But the thing that works almost 100% of the time is when you know and are friends with certain cops from that station, either know a lot of cops or a handful of captains or senior detectives. Cops exercise discretion and prof. courtesy, but throw in a few good names and you're home free--personalize it, just don't abuse this part.//

 

Make a lot of cop friends. Leverage your PJ experience. SEALs do this all the time, half of those folks in that pub in Coronado are developing contacts, realtors, prospective business partners, pee-ons, and cops. That's what's cool about SEALs, they are very good at PR, they know how to leverage their status. Don't make friends with cops on duty, catch 'em when they're camping, coaching, taking flight lessons, judo class, whatever--bring something valuable to the table. ALSO shadow some of your badge bunny friends and observe how they work, leverage those hoes (I don't know if PJs get groupies too, but I'm assuming you do), observe those cougars hunt, they can spot cops miles away, get your face right in the action, like Sir David Attenborough.// http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB_w2YoKlaA

 

So in closing and to tie up the first sentence of this post, make as many friends who're cops, whether local or feds, because at the end of the day our Constitution is about stopping TYRANNY, of which gun ownership is a very small part. To avoid tyranny you make friends with those who will most likely be the agents of tyranny and keep them close.//

 

Most cops aren't gun nuts, so make sure to leave all that gun nuttery, Sovereign Citizen bs, at home. And attacking police and fire unions is probably the wrong way to go, sometimes the FOX way of doing things just isn't smart, you also don't want cops earning Walmart salaries. So in summary go out there and make friends with cops, not only will you learn criminal processes, insider stuff, but if you ever get caught in a bind, as long as it's not of your own making, then you'd have a cop friend.//

 

Times are a changing, I cannot stress the value of this enough, this is better than owning 20 guns, owning vaults full of gold, and rooms full of ammo. Befriending cops will pay more in dividends for you and the nation as a whole. The clear threat right now is gun nuttery, some have varying exposure to this, that's fine; Tyranny, for all the propaganda floating around, is not even close--there's the food industry, the finance industry, traffic deaths and more to worry about, the solutions of which don't involve guns.//

 

 

 

majrod
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 @Surf375  Yep, there are wannabe's out there.  I haven't heard of one range that doesn't work hard at inculcating them with responsible gun ownership.

 

We're going to be on different sides of the issue I think but we shouldn't throw stones.  Turns out that unarmed former marine that positioned himself outside his son's schook (unarmed) as a symbol was a bit of a poser.

 

"Media coverage of Pusley’s actions reported that he is 28 years old and got out of the Corps as a sergeant after deploying twice to Iraq and once to Afghanistan. In reality, Pusley graduated from boot camp at Marine Corps Recruit Depot San Diego, but was in the service less than a year and never made it past private first class, Marine officials said. He never deployed or made it through military occupational specialty school, leaving the Corps designated a “basic Marine,” MOS 8000."

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2012/12/marine-craig-pusley-military-service-newtown-122012-w

 

There are posers everywhere.

 

 @bkgreenfeet

 

Surf375
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* anti-cop (& anti-fire) sentiments

Surf375
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"Like I said, I am all for guns. I respect the right to own them, in fact I think everyone should own one to protect their loved ones at home, however we need to start trusting that the government has our back. It might not be always there case here, there is a lot of political correctness bullshit and a lot of private companies lobbying for different things, but we need to start changing this slowly in my opinion, make the gov. work for us in a good way. Trusting it. If we don’t. If we continue down this path, then we’ll descend into a militia-run country, with the different factions killing each other and the people crossed in the middle." ~Uri

http://www.itstactical.com/intellicom/mindset/can-we-apply-israeli-principles-and-proactively-protect-our-loved-ones/

 

 

 

And finally, on a more personal note, aside from all this cop-hating which is really counter productive, Here's a short on us hippies and surfers in the Left Coast. Remember, past the tie dye caricatures, the essence of the hippie movement is freedom and self-reliance. I'm posting this particular one because of the SOF connection, nuff said, watch:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4Lu6MeW_Z0 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIjFsGZp3SQ

 

 

 

 

 

ArcticWarrior
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 @Surf375

 At what point in History did the Citizens of this Country trust its Govt? I mean the Alien Sedition Acts kind of sums up how long that trust lasted. How many millions does the Avg campaign for US Rep cost? 1.2 Million? Thats not affordable for the Avg Joe on the street. So the disconnect between Reps and Plebes is there just by the nature of getting the job. The median net worth of members of Congress is more than nine times that of the typical American.

As for the whole mass shooting uptick over the last 5 years? IDK the cause but my dad warned me, he saw the craziness on the streets when the economy tanked in the 70s and 80s. And if you think about it terrorism on the streets was near rampant. SLA shootouts,bank robberies, kidnappings, aircraft hijackings, Panthers, car bombs, dudes shooting up McDonalds. So how do you keep the madmen from roaming the streets? Like Loughner many folks thought this latest dude was off his rocker, right?

LauraKinCA
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 @TheAtrium

 I'm not in SF very often, but I have heard of similar businesses and think they are great. We are seeing lots of high quality lunch trucks travelling around the south bay replacing a lot of the nasty ones. You can get really interesting, great food from some of them. Gourmet meals off a truck :) In SF there is an electricity associated with businesses like rice paper scissors and the redevelopment south of Market. Great for the young crowd to like and work in that area.

theAtrium (banned)
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 @LauraKinCA  

" Agreed, and I heartily support entrepreneurship. It is the driver in a lot of the physical real estate development in the Valley and Bay Area at large, which is a huge portion of my business. "

 

If you're in the SF area, please check out these two businesses:

 

http://www.travelchannel.com/video/a-san-francisco-pop-up

 

http://blog.lowbicycles.com/post/27064936528

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wUxLoiXZOU

Recon6
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 @TKW406  @Tango9  @Surf375  @ArcticWarrior    Get Some TK!!  Never edit a comment, go with your gut, tell how you think/feel and let it fly....6

LauraKinCA
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 @BLACK01  @ArcticWarrior  @Surf375

 She was a great character in the original movie version and has been used extensively in @OldPH2 's teasing of the SOFREP Elves (he provides them with whiskey and tiny hookers to keep LiveFire working - which is probably why we are having problems now - PH2 is MIA for the last few days :) )

 

Well, mission accomplished if you almost spit out perfectly good chocolate chip cookies (they were primo cookies, right? wouldn't have the same punch if they weren't special cookies :) ) Glad to give you your laughing fit for today!

KlausHergesheimer
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 @Surf375  @LauraKinCA  @ArcticWarrior$2200  http://youtu.be/3o6pcbhylmQ

KlausHergesheimer
KlausHergesheimer 5pts

 @Surf375  @LauraKinCA  @ArcticWarrior http://youtu.be/3o6pcbhylmQ

 

http://www.123dapp.com/catch

 

 

majrod
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 @BLACK01  Huh???

 

@ArcticWarrior  @LauraKinCA  @Surf375

 

-BLACK-
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 @majrod  @ArcticWarrior  @LauraKinCA  @Surf375 Fuckin A!! A cold one for you sir, on the house.    This is the first movie they actually show the "meat". 

-BLACK-
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 @ArcticWarrior  @LauraKinCA  @Surf375  Kate Beckinsale is over 40 and fills in her clothing quite nicely. She compliments the choreography in her fight scenes better than most chicks and she looks hot a fresh horse shit when she is putting down rounds.  My wife found a new love for Jessica Biel when she said " I am gonna get this bitch" and damn near emptied a mag at her....I think I did too.  

I could swear the middle tit actually looked more real than the left or the right one aye...lol...  now thats some CG. 

-BLACK-
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 @Riceball  @LauraKinCA  @ArcticWarrior  @Surf375   They had some CG in the first one... remember the hologram and the xray machine??    Thats probably it.     Touche though, touche. 

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 @Tango9  @ArcticWarrior  @LauraKinCA  @majrod  @Surf375   Gatdamnit T9 I am trying to eat these cookies, not share them with my computer screen.    LMAO!!!    "Get ready for a big supriiiiiiise"  

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 @majrod  @LauraKinCA  @ArcticWarrior  @Surf375  I think they did that to bust out a sequel.      I was upset they didnt do the whole "get ya ss ta mas...get ya ass ta mas...get ya ass ta mas"....    Fuckin Arnie still hasnt learned english. 

-BLACK-
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 @LauraKinCA  @ArcticWarrior  @Surf375  LOL...I observed zero "little" hookers but they had robotic ones.    A"little" robot hooker would have been a real taste of mivie magic.    LMAO  @ midget hookers  Laura, I almost lost these chocolate chip cookies I was chewing.  She was a feisty little hooker if I recall correctly.     

LauraKinCA
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 @majrod  @ArcticWarrior  @BLACK01  @Surf375

 Gotta love a man that can multi-task... oh, wait you meant that you can visually concentrate on more than one thing.

LauraKinCA
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 @BLACK01  @Surf375  @ArcticWarrior

 Not to worry BLACK01, I am good with the sulfites, as any good wino should be :) I'm not so much on the hops though.

ArcticWarrior
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 @majrod  @BLACK01  @LauraKinCA  @Surf375

 Scarlett ..... nuff said

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 @LauraKinCA  @Surf375  @ArcticWarrior Profound shit Laura. 

A pitcher of your favorite beer on the house... I say beer and not wine cuz it  contains sulfites which could be bad for you and we need ya. 

majrod
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 @ArcticWarrior  I never here what Kate's saying.  I'm too focused on her butt.

 

BTW...

 

"Boobs, evidence men can focus on more than one thing at a time." 

 

@BLACK01  @LauraKinCA  @Surf375

 

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 @Surf375  @ArcticWarrior  It really turned into an ass crack when they shut down Norton AFB.   Now its just a Somalian refugee camp.    I made the mistake of going to a party with a buddy of mine a few years back and after I noticed there was one way in and one way out and all the stares me , my wife and especially my blue eyed buddy were getting...I just ended up sitting in the truck with my fuckin pistol on my lap begging him to get us the fuck outta there before they decided to use the bottle neck to their advantage and turn me into the savage warrior I am.  Gotta love that fear man, it sure the fuck allowed me to smell what they were trying to cook up for us.   Fuckin Inland Empire maaan,  its a damn warzone.     I escaped so much violence. I remember I was 12 and made the mistake of going to the Carousel Mall with my mom, with a full on red outfit and red converse to match. I almost got shot in the mall by a crip gang and my mom was so asshatted at the time she didnt even notice.      Fuck that shithole man and no shit those Sheriffs are as hard as train cars.  I have a couple of buddies out there busting heads and earning stripes in that dump.  

Oh, Apple Valley huh? LOL! Its only a matter of time before the Mongols take that shit over....or is it the Vagos.     SHIT, I will be in Redlands over the weekend visiting the parental units. 

ArcticWarrior
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 @BLACK01  @LauraKinCA  @Surf375

 I think Kate is the most plastic looking woman in Hollywood and just flat out can not act, and in no way was she as villainous as Michael Ironside, Jessica is very attractive and you can never get tired of watching her.

The 3 titted chick was hotter and her boobs looked authentic...lol

-BLACK-
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 @ArcticWarrior  @LauraKinCA  @Surf375     Not even a little more than the first one?? Cmon, the three titted chick was way hotter and she survived this time....LOL.    Kate beckinsale was a fuckin monster and not near as lanky as Sharon Stone.  Also, Jessica Biel would have kicked the tits off of Maria Conshita.

 

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 @LauraKinCA  @ArcticWarrior  @Surf375    I failed to mention it was more appealing becuase it was free.  Gotta love torrents. 

Riceball
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 @BLACK01  @LauraKinCA  @ArcticWarrior  @Surf375 Saying that there's more CG in the new one than the original isn't really saying that much since the original, being made back in the 80s, had no CG at all. Back then you had to do everything practically with miniatures and stuff and sometimes in camera tricks.

Tango9
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 @ArcticWarrior  @LauraKinCA  @majrod  @Surf375  @BLACK01 LOL we had a secretary at my last job... we used to walk by and say "Two Weeks!  Two Weeks!"

 

Cruel, but, well, fatass shouldn't have been hip deep in chicken mcnuggets every day.

LauraKinCA
LauraKinCA 5pts

 @ArcticWarrior  @majrod  @Surf375  @BLACK01

 Ok, then I am still reserving judgement and will let you know.

ArcticWarrior
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 @LauraKinCA  @majrod  @Surf375  @BLACK01

 The story strayed way too far from Dicks original, which takes place with the colony on Mars. Thought the new one was all action, no humour and no development about the resistance and why. Borrowed way too much from Dicks other movies Minority and the rainy Blade Runer(one of the best SciFi movies ever) scenes as well as the cheesy iRobot guards wtf was with that?. The Arabic on the passports was jibberish. And the actors dont seem to mesh well.They did have the 3 breasted women and the fat jowely woman at the scanner makes a cameo.

LauraKinCA
LauraKinCA 5pts

 @majrod  @ArcticWarrior  @Surf375  @BLACK01

 OK, 2 to 1 @ArcticWarrior What didn't you like??

Tango9
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 @TKW406  @Surf375  @ArcticWarrior last word, and what I told my troops and what I tell my students:  Don't fear yourself.

 

Understand what those words mean and just watch ;)

TKW406
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 @Tango9  @Surf375  @ArcticWarrior   

Band of Brothers??? Never heard of it.

I'm kidding - please don't splash me for that!!  Just a joke among friends!

 

Once again, good advice. I've actually got DD's website up right now looking at those grips.

majrod
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 @LauraKinCA  I liked the remake.  Had a "minority report" tech feel to it and the actors are a ot better.  Some different action scenes and twists did inject some more uncertainty than the average remake and I'm not a remake fan.

 

 

@ArcticWarrior  @Surf375  @BLACK01

 

Tango9
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 @TKW406  @Surf375  @ArcticWarrior hah.. sorry TK.  I abuse my mod privelges a little bit with the editing.

 

You'll hit that day when you cross the line.  It's going to be a while so don't push it, but you'll get there. 

 

It's similar to when, in Band of Brothers, Lt Spears tells the kid in the foxhole:  "... But Blithe, the only hope you have is to accept the fact that you're already dead"

 

  Don't look for it, because it won't happen when you want it, it'll be out of the blue. 

LauraKinCA
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 @BLACK01  @ArcticWarrior  @Surf375

 But did they keep the midget hooker as a character. If not, that may be thumbs down for me :) With your review, I will check it out when it migrates to one of the movie channels.

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 @LauraKinCA  @ArcticWarrior  @Surf375  I liked the new Total Recall more than the original.  There is way more CG in it than the first but the action scenes are plentiful and they leave nothing more to be desired.  I have to hand it to the trainers and choreographers on this one, Jessica and Kate are a couple of brick shit houses. I also liked  that the chick with 3 boobs was in it and she didnt get shot up like in the first one... lol.   Colin is way better than Arnie and his badassery is way more believable.       I enjoyed the flick, two snaps in a z formation ;)

Tango9
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 @TKW406  @Surf375  @ArcticWarrior You'll get there.  It takes a lot of time.

LauraKinCA
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 @Surf375

 Agreed, and I heartily support entrepreneurship. It is the driver in a lot of the physical real estate development in the Valley and Bay Area at large, which is a huge portion of my business. That is the real drivers of a thriving economy and with all the bright vets out there I really hope that some of the venture capital assistance goes their way and some of them come up with "the new thing". One of the things that I heartily applaud Stanford for fostering is a research university-entrepreneur development relationship. So many of the tech companies in my area were started from that type of program. Recently my alma mater U of Michigan started an active scholastic program with entrepreneurs and I couldn't cheer them on louder.

TKW406
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Jealous T9.  I do know where I stand.  Love to ride fence & don't know shit about E&M equations.  Wish I had more of that "gravy" outlook to life.  I will try and do better starting now.   *No more editing when I'm typing a response.  It screws w/ my head.

 @Tango9  @Surf375  @ArcticWarrior 

Tango9
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 @Surf375  @ArcticWarrior John had a crushed soul.  You just want to give the guy a hug.  I'm not like that, runs at a right angle to my being.  Don't get me wrong I love his music and appreciate everything behind every word. 

 

Without getting too mushy about it, I choose to be happy.  I study the way the universe works, it's kinda what I do.  And it's a hoot.  You gotta be just as happy cutting cattle as you are writing code, cleaning your rifle, or caring for your kids or reading Dostievsky.  Do It All.  have a blast.

 

Put me on a horse and tell me to ride fence and I'm just as happy doing that as I am trying to figure out where the "imaginary" part of the E&M equations went.  I know where I stand, it's all gravy from here.

 

<edited because that's between me and my horse.  Not for public consumption>

Surf375
Surf375 5pts

 @LauraKinCA 

 

There's way too many out of work vets out there, SOFREP can totally contribute in this movement. 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFg0YkQRB74 (Pirates of Silicon Valley)

LauraKinCA
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 @Surf375

 You make good points, but until I started actively searching out military-related sites (SOFREP and similar) the benefits that the SOF and larger military community provide really aren't mainstream and you don't hear anything about it - at least not in my area. It tends to be a more insular community and like your suggestion of a WIRED/SOFREP venture, I too hope that it becomes more mainstream. It will be a struggle as I view MSM holding the military and their values in poor regard, so gaining mainstream momentum will be unaided by them.

Surf375
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 @LauraKinCA  @ArcticWarrior 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqMjZfuYifY (DIY Manufacturing)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQ-aWFYT_SU (3D Printer)

Surf375
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 @ArcticWarrior  @Tango9 

 

Would've liked to hear Cash play this, loved his version of NIN Hurt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7Xnx67ACvQ

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o22eIJDtKho 

LauraKinCA
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 @ArcticWarrior  @Surf375

 I don't know AW. Sometimes I feel we became smaller when not dreaming great dreams like putting a man on the moon. While I am a mostly practical being and would make a lousy artist, I think the world needs big dreams. We are caught up in global warming crap that they want us to think is a big dream to fix but is really more crap and power grabs. i can't think of big things like space travel that we have aspired to in decades.

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 @LauraKinCA  

 

It's still around with our SOF, regular combat arms, pilots, even cops and fire, hell even among the regular folks, like the above gays and yuppies walking the sidewalk in spite of crime, by so doing they'd effectively stamped out crime in their community, just by walking around like the own the place--get out there.

 

The media's not pulling their share of the weight, but also look at the SOF examples, games, books, seems all too commercialized even if the intent was honorable, I blame the media execs for losing sight. Consumers have to become producers, very optimistic on the DIY tech movement, which many former military are becoming part of, maybe a WIRED/SOFREP article in the future covering this.

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 @Tango9

 Cash in B&W, thats a good song, nobody could tell a story like Cash could

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 @ArcticWarrior  @LauraKinCA  @Surf375   Seems we can't even remember how to pass a budget  AW.  

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 @ArcticWarrior  @Surf375 You need some cowboy music.  You're welcome :)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht7mxF9XZiA

ArcticWarrior
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 @LauraKinCA  @Surf375

 What happened to us? We used to put men on the moon.

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 @Surf375

 Talk about an elite group. US Military members who have stepped foot on another celestial object. When they talk about seeing Earth rise for the first time, they still tear up at that emotion

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 @Surf375  @ArcticWarrior

 Agreed, but unfortunately in our action, shoot-em-up entertainment world, that type of fear-managed courage is too subtle and quietly handled for today's youth, unless they are watching it with parents who are guiding them into what it really means.

Surf375
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 @ArcticWarrior  

 

Agree too with courage, if you put on TV document it, that stuff is contagious and spreads. Need more of that.

ArcticWarrior
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 @Surf375

 We still reap the benefits of things that happened before we were born

ArcticWarrior
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 @LauraKinCA  @Surf375  @BLACK01

 From the fire on Apollo 1 to the last Apollo, those guys were living on the edge, literally. Good insights on how they dealt with the fear, like when Aldrin talks about what if they dont make it off the moon and back to the command module....typical fighter jock mentality...love it

Surf375
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 @ArcticWarrior 

 

I think something similar is going on with the DIY tech movement, used of the internet as collaboration tool to create community of ideas. 

Surf375
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 @ArcticWarrior  

 

And the technology and knowledge that trickled down from the space program, yup those were the days.

LauraKinCA
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 @ArcticWarrior  @Surf375  @BLACK01

 That doc really showed the ingeniuity of the astronauts and NASA engineers to deal with a crisis. Classic, successful crisis management. No matter how many times I have watched it, it still impresses me. I was actually shown a portion of that doc for a project management course I was taking as an example of what to do.

ArcticWarrior
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 @LauraKinCA  @Surf375  @BLACK01

 What those guys did in the Apollo program, with such limited tools and time. All of them were true Heroes. I lamented to the family that we dont do things like that anymore

LauraKinCA
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 @ArcticWarrior  @Surf375  @BLACK01

 That would have been a better choice :) I like that doc.

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 @Tango9  @Surf375

 Im listening to the Doors so close enough

ArcticWarrior
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 @Surf375

 Yeah that and if I was UA'd Id be fired on the spot for inhaling

 

~Jay "Yo, no wonder this fool saw Jesus, he's rockin the ganj!"

Tango9
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 @Surf375  @ArcticWarrior LOL  don't do the bong!

Surf375
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 @ArcticWarrior  " Im not big on taking pain meds they make me feel worse, dont like the Balboa punchy feeling. "

 

As for pain, I'd suggest the good old wacky tabacky, but you're neither in CO or WA. 

ArcticWarrior
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 @LauraKinCA  @Surf375  @BLACK01

 I could have watched a Doc on Apollo 11 for the 3rd time, instead I watched TR, I shoulda stuck with Col Aldrin

Tango9
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 @ArcticWarrior  @Surf375 hah!  good to hear brother.  Since it was all my fault to begin with since you couldn't to 10 flutter kicks without folding like a lawn chair.  Fkn airborne guys. ;)

LauraKinCA
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 @ArcticWarrior  @Surf375  @BLACK01

 Good to know. Will put it in the "if I have nothing better to do and nothing else is better on cable so I will watch it" list.

LauraKinCA
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 @ArcticWarrior  @Tango9  @Surf375

 Well, you just be careful which posts you read then :) Only stick to the serious ones. We do NOT want you busting your new gut!

ArcticWarrior
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 @LauraKinCA  @Surf375  @BLACK01

 I didnt like it.

LauraKinCA
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 @ArcticWarrior  @Surf375  @BLACK01

 I've been holding off on seeing the remake of Total Recall (went to see the Arnie version as first run in the theater). Was it good? I typically don't like remakes.

ArcticWarrior
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 @LauraKinCA  @Tango9  @Surf375

 I know right. But I want to see what the people are saying straight....HuffPo just gets me annoyed, so does AJ-E so I end up back here just to see what you all are saying on the issues

ArcticWarrior
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 @Surf375  @BLACK01

 I watched the remake yesterday, I wasnt impressed. I never read Dicks written version so I may need to download it.

Desert Dweller communities shit the whole 8/10 corridor is scary.

 

Thanks, I think Im going to try the Lemongrass. I have some Egyptian Licorce tea but its not doing it. Im not big on taking pain meds they make me feel worse, dont like the Balboa punchy feeling. I have some Navajo tea I can unroll but Im going to wait it out before I bust that out.

LauraKinCA
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 @ArcticWarrior  @Tango9  @Surf375

 Hate to say it AW, but you may need to take a couple day break from the 'Rep if you need to rest up your new zipper - the guard house humor around here is some funny shit!!

Surf375
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 @BLACK01 

 

San Bernardino Sheriffs hardcore, man. Agree w/ that place. 40 yr old white Crips. In general, desert communities are weird, throw in crack and now meth, and you have the Apple valley cha-cha.

 

 @ArcticWarrior  

 

Agree on the laws going differently, that's why everyone has to come to the table w/ their best ideas.

 

Just watched the new Total Recall, nothing like Arnold and Sharon Stone one, they somehow lost sight of the original premise.

 

Post op Surf secrets: Lemongrass tea and Moringa leaves, bro, good stuff helps with the healing process: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaPhtgUr_g4

ArcticWarrior
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 @Tango9  @Surf375

 Yeah the vertical smile is good...lol....dont make me laugh it hurts

Tango9
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 @ArcticWarrior  @Surf375 how'd the surgery go?  they stitch up your vag?  you good?

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 @ArcticWarrior  @Surf375   I remember when they shot up that McDonalds in San Bernardino.   That place was and still is a war zone and I dont know how we made it out of that shit hole alive. 

ArcticWarrior
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 @Surf375

 Yeah when Communities take charge with involvement how much better places become, you have that 100 percent correct. Involvement - Im a believer.

 

The craziness you refer to exists, no doubt. But the media tends to paint people with the Constitutional concerns on the issues ( where and when does changing the Constitution end? Once it starts it just gets easier to legislate everything away) as being of the Timmy McV crowd. Jeez they even try to portray SCJ Scalia and Thomas as part of the Prez wants my gun crowd. Im worried about this one as well, on multiple fronts.

 

Now that the good meds they had me on post op have worn off I feel like this guy....

 

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hdCW1wabZ4k/UCurpqVjTsI/AAAAAAAADhM/Dr4fadtKx9U/s1600/totalrecall2.jpg

 

 

Surf375
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 @ArcticWarrior  Uri used the word trust, I'm more inclined to use the friends/enemies take keeping the latter closer--which means a healthy dose of involvement.

 

True about craziness coming around in cycles. Crime though has a level of rational which you can provide systems of deterrence for--violent crime has been trending down, the LE community wants to take credit for this, but my personal take is that much of the reason are all the re-development projects that started around the mid-90s paying off in dividends. Getting yuppies and homos to re-take the cities. I've seen first hand when gays beautify the fuck out of a neighborhood, the gangsters don't have a hood to claim anymore.

 

But what the gays and yuppies really brought to the table was involvement, instead of locking themselves up and imprisoning themselves within their homes, they go outside and walk around, the simplest act of community--involvement.

 

This kind of craziness, I'm worried about, festers in basements encouraged by craziness in the internet, couple that with the Obama wants my gun sentiment, you have a perfect storm, fear, the gun industry and confirmation bias via the internet. I'm more worried about this one.

 

How'd the operation go, bro? 

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