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The First Female Navy SEAL

by Brandon Webb · March 12, 2012 · Posted In: Special Operations
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The U.S. is in the dark ages when it comes to utilizing women in the US Special Operations community. Female Navy SEALs, Green Berets, and Combat Controllers? Why the hell not? In all fairness the Army beat us to it with the first female Green Beret Katie Wilder.

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Hard line thinking coupled with fixed ideology gets you nowhere.  The same thinking is what slowed down women serving in combat in the Military and prevented Gays from openly serving their country.  Regardless of your religious or political views, I’ll side with the great Economist Milton Friedman when he says that every human being has a desire and right to be free to choose.

I have no problem serving along side females or people with different sexual orientations. I’ve been there done that and had my ass saved by more than a few. I don’t call them anything but Warfighters. I’m glad to see that the facticity of reality has finally overpowered hard line fundamentalist thinking in the Military.  There’s a reason people like Michael Weinstein of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation do the things they do.

So why does the U.S. lag behind other countries like South Korea and Israel (see this link with the female operative) when it comes to training women for covert Special Operations Units?



Why are there no female Navy SEALs, Green Berets or JTACs? I get asked the question, “Are there female Navy SEALs?” all the time. In my opinion we should have them.

Nobody likes change. Throughout history it has been hard to imagine the earth rotating around the sun, our planet being round and not flat and that women should have the right to vote.  We are facing the same difficulty now, but change is coming. I’m not here to opine about how the Catholic Church has been on the wrong side of most major advancements in science.  On the contrary, I want to talk about why there are no women in the U.S. Special Operations community. WTF over?

The Main Problem That Can Be Easily Overcome

Women and men cannot be closely confined with the expectation that they will not sleep with each other if given enough time. It’s against human biology to think otherwise.  I saw this first hand when I served aboard two U.S. Aircraft carriers (The USS Abraham Lincoln and the USS Kitty Hawk).  5000 people and 10-20 % of crews these days are women, and it’s against regulations for single men and women to have sex on the ship.

The truth is that it happens with regularity, there are even code words for it (e.g. “want to play cards?”).  So good people continue to screw each other and some are caught and careers are ended.  Too bad.  We could learn a thing from Star Trek and their after hours lounge.  People hooked up and went back to work fighting bad guys; just don’t let it interfere with the job. The solution is easy and I’ll get to it in a minute.

The CIA Gets One Thing Right

The CIA uses female Case Officers extensively and effectively to recruit good human assets. Nothing gets a guy talking like a sexy and powerful woman.  Sex sells, and why not use it to our advantage in Special Operations? Most women case officers I’ve come across are ill prepared for the ugly real world. They don’t have the hard skills (social, weapons and hand-to-hand), training and honed instinct that only comes with decades of practice to deal with real threats. This is one reason they hire and use former Special Operations men to babysit.

When I worked with groups of women in the CIA, I felt sorry for them. Here they were, intelligent, capable and ill prepared for their environment.  A few were even afraid to carry a loaded sidearm and some broke down crying in front of me because of operational pressure.  I imagine a female that completed the Special Forces Q course or Navy SEAL training (BUD/S) would not have this problem.

But what do you expect from an organization that pulls smart people from college, puts them through “The Farm”, and unleashes them on the world with little practical knowledge or training.  You end up with men and women that go from working at the GAP in college, then the “Farm” and over to Iraq to run amok. Reminds me of the Private Security Contractor Blackwater, and how they grew too fast and ignored their QA.  A good company started grabbing any idiot with a desire to be a wannabe SOF guy and shipped him off to Iraq (after a few weeks of indentured training). What did you expect would happen, Erik?.

Me and my friends saw the transformation and it scared the hell out of us overseas.  We avoided the BW guys like the plague, hell, we were afraid they’d shoot us! And then these idiots started shooting innocent civilians. At least they shot a few of each other off duty as well. Good riddance.

We have an ethic in the Special Operations community that goes: Don’t bitch about a problem without bringing a viable solution to the table.  How do you create a viable female US Special Operations Force (SOF)? It’s really very simple and the framework and curriculum is already in place. Minor opposite sex tweaks are all that is needed.  Some will say “It’s too expensive” and I will argue and budget and DoD waste all day long.

The Solution

You train females to the same hard standards as Special Operations selection, but you do it separately.  You don’t mix  men and women in training or at the unit level. Special units for the women.  An entire SEAL Team made up of female SEALs.  They would train and fight together and you better get the fuck out of their way.

Eventually once they’re seasoned they could transition into other roles and parallel career paths similar to men. I imagine these ladies working behind the lines with the CIA or JSOC in very covert missions and one day commanding US SOCOM.

There’s a reason terrorists use women.  Think about it.

The world we live in  is small, complex and we face an enemy with no borders or rules.  It’s time to cast our differences and fixed ideologies aside and embrace the female Special Operations Warrior.

Brandon

Brandon is the SOFREP Executive Media Director, a former US Navy SEAL and author of The Red Circle (April 10th 2012 St. Martin’s Press release).

(Photo Credit: Steve Klein)

 

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GI_JOE_Shipwreck
GI_JOE_Shipwreck 5pts

Just because a few can doesn't mean it should be open to all who want to try. The time and money wasted to "wash out" the females would not be worth having the 1 or 2 out of THOUSANDS that apply. Plus, you are adding one more element of the "kinder, more gentle" Navy and sexual harassment that DOES NOT need to be applied to an already stressful and complicated job.

READ NOW
READ NOW 5pts

This is not true at all. Navy seals is the very test of the height of human physical capability. Women are not at that height. That simple. Bodies are different you all cretins. Navy seals save the world, not the other way around. There would be about 3 women ever to make it in, they would all die and on top of that people would say BUDS is sexist. Stop fucking around and wasting time trying to use your brain but failing. Dumb cunts all over here.

SEAL76
SEAL76 5pts

@READ NOW There are probably more than a few women who could make it through BUD/S without modifications of any sort. That being said, I still don't think having them in the SEALs would be of any benefit to the teams.

Antibomber
Antibomber 5pts

Whatever. Why do people think this is such a great idea? Is the current model broken? Do we NEED female combat forces? No we don't. All these tough comments "watch out boys the ladies are coming in hot" are nothing more than ridiculous. This will fail, give it time and oh ya millions of dollars. While we're at it lets change our uniforms again.

Lou M
Lou M 5pts

Women are just as capable as men in combat roles. Throughout histoy women have fought side by side with men in combat situations. If they have to start out with an all women team or unit, then do it. Women already do all the dirty grunt work in everyday situations because the men are too busy. We're not all soccer moms or girly. Soldiers don't care if their hair is messed up or their makeup is smudged. We're not all weepy little dansels either. The military just let women into combat. Stand back, boys, the ladies are coming in hot!

AZVET
AZVET 5pts

I think with all this social political correctness for the Military gays/lesbians and women should step up and take the lead and be the new military force for this country and all the straight males should be exempt from military service for the next 200 years and see how that works out. It would stop sexual assaults and discrimination and everyone will be happy and secure. Just a thought!!!!!!

Rafael415
Rafael415 5pts

This article makes so much sense. Hopefully the military will take heed and implement these ideas. 

 

mitchbitchin
mitchbitchin 5pts

There can never be female SEALs.  Or green berets or JTAC's or any of the units that are established as men only.  There can be female special operators with their own unit name.  A female SEAL is like a man speaking at the vagina monolouges: it just isn't "right".

Mucus
Mucus 5pts

I advocate the same for the CVBG/Airwings.  Have them (wo)manned with all females.  This will give them all promotion opportunities.  How will they stack up?

TighteyWhiteys
TighteyWhiteys 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Before any of this becomes a reality, congress will have to change the law to allow women in actual combat roles, weather they are currently there or not right now.

 

I think the ROK White Tiger model and their female SOF platoon would be a good one to evaluate since it has been successful.  My understanding is they are well respected (or intimidating) in the ROK.  With Korea being an over the top male dominated society and military, that is saying a lot to their capability.

 

I don't agree women are all weepy and weak.  Most modern day society's raise and reward women to be this way, and penalize them if they act any different.  Throughout history women have been known to kick ass and be as brutal as men.  Maybe not as often, but they can be.  If the women can make the cut and standards, which I think should be similar to the men's (it has to be, to gain and keep respect), and they volunteer for the role, and pass, they should be given a seat at the table, even if it's in an all women's platoon to start.

 

Having highly trained SOF females expands and enhances the US role in fighting terrorism and other threats against the nation.  Having a bunch of male hard asses who have no problem scratching and sniffing their sweaty balls any time and any place is...  obvious.

Johnnyutah
Johnnyutah 5pts

Our enemies are evil bastards.  They even raped Chris Stevens.If a female is captured in combat, the enemy will rape her in every way imaginable until she feels like she's been run thru by a freight train..  Are feminists really ok with that? 

Maria1918
Maria1918 5pts

 @Johnnyutah Yes, because feminists stand for men and women having equal opportunity. The fact that people still find women too delicate for some jobs is archaic. If a woman wishes to join such a force, she would be well aware of the risks. To not allow her to do so is simply belittling her ability. 

Erik S
Erik S 5pts

FYI... http://www.public.navy.mil/nsw/Publications/ETHOS%20ISSUE%2016.pdf Female cultural support teams, trained by SEALS, armed and working in coordination with the Teams.

EmilioLizardo
EmilioLizardo 5pts

Man shall be framed for war, and Woman for the entertainment of the Warrior, All else is folly. -- F. W. Nietzsche

 

Female agents work for the CIA because they mostly deal with the manipulation of other people.  In Afghanistan women are embedded with troops mainly to deal with women civilians.  Other than that, why do we need the problems of having women in combat?  To adhere to some artificial goal of equality?

 

More importantly, why put the breeders of the next generation in the line of fire?  Bear in mind also that we have to train our young men to kill their young women too.  Is that really good?

 

Think of that knife fight scene in 'Saving Private Ryan' and substitute the American guy with a woman.  War isn't just some job, it's about killing.

Maiingankwe
Maiingankwe 5pts

I'm sorry, but I got stuck on the part when you called us women breeders. Wow, is that how you see us? Please keep in mind it would only be a small number of women, not all of us.

As a woman, let me give you some well needed insight. First of all there are some women who do fit the criteria if properly trained. I would take them watching my back rather than some of village idiots I have around my neighborhood. This is probably why I practice shooting my weapons once a week. I have more faith in my self

Maiingankwe
Maiingankwe 5pts

I need to have more faith in myself than others, that is self explanatory.

Second, South Korea has already proven it works in this day and age. All throughout history there have been women fighting along side men, why it isn't done today is mind boggling. Yes, I do like the idea of having an all women's team, with a little finesse it can justifiably work. I believe having men who are the best of the best come in to train these women in their field of expertise would be needed.

Lastly, it really bothers me when certain men get all high and mighty using the rape scenario. These women will know these dangers better than most men. They know what will happen if they are caught. This is the same with the men. What I am trying to say is...

Maiingankwe
Maiingankwe 5pts

I remember reading a book from a Navy SEAL, and he said they all knew the dangers if they were ever caught and it would not be kind. He also stated they would more than likely take themselves out at the very last minute, if their capture was inevitable. Don't you think the women would be smart enough to do the same?

Please guys, stop using the rape excuse because to me that is all it is. It is to makes you feel safer with your argument, whereas to us females it falls flat.

Please excuse the three posts linked together, but for some reason it was all that was allowed here or for me and my computer.

engelbrad
engelbrad 5pts

This article and conversation has been a very interesting read. One thing seems intuitive to me: If a female soldier graduates BUD/S, I would find it difficult to harbor any concerns about her capabilities, potential physical weaknesses, etc. I do respectfully disagree with Brandon's solution though... I think they would have to train with the men. Same program, same development, same standards and same result. If there are issues that arise with men and women SEALs developing and working together then they should be discovered and squashed as early as possible in the process. That being said Brandon's experience and success speaks for itself and he would know way better than me.

I also would like to thank all of you who have served our country and fought for my freedom. I am eternally grateful and God bless you all!!!!!!

Eric_Strattoniii
Eric_Strattoniii 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @engelbrad While your sentiments are great, the crux of the problem is that A.) Only about 1% of females could make the male infantry standards never mind BUD/S B.) the injury rate due to the way women's physical make up would be drastically high and hence have more people out of a fire team, platoon, etc...leaving them short handed C.) the frat problem, as demonstrated over and over again in our military and the Brits too, is not something that will change, again, leaving a group short handed D.) the standards will NEVER be held, they never have and they never will. E.) The unit cohesion will go down, RAND did a study saying it was not a problem in mixed gender units but almost all of the units they screened were 9-5 REMF jobs and this was before the wars. 

In short, it's all Bullshit and anyone who tells you it is the right thing to do is either selling you something, has something to gain personally or is not well informed on the facts surrounding the topic. 

Eric_Strattoniii
Eric_Strattoniii 5pts

Yet another example of the Army and apparently the world ignoring facts and recent studies by both the Brits and the US on women in combat, hey but what do these people care, they won't be in the field with them, certainly none of the advocates will be at least-

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jul/30/army-may-train-women-for-rigor-of-front-lines/?page=all

 

Sonnys Mom
Sonnys Mom 5pts

@Eric_Strattoniii

 

I would hope that testimony from a woman combat veteran would count for something...

 

"Infantry combat not for women, says battle-tested female Marine captain" - 7/23/12

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/infantry-combat-not-for-women-says-battle-tested-female-marine-captain/

 

ArcticWarrior
ArcticWarrior 5pts

 @Eric_Strattoniii

 The military viewpoint was that under the conditions of a high intensity close-quarter battle, group cohesion becomes of much greater significance to team performance and, in such an environment, the consequences of failure can have far-reaching and grave consequences,” the report stated. “To admit women would, therefore, involve a risk with no gains in terms of combat effectiveness to offset it.”

In 2010, the British government reviewed its policies and opted to retain the ban on women in combat.

That year, a group of U.S. Army physicians studied one brigade combat team deployed to Iraq in 2007.

Their study, published in the journal Military Medicine, examined the number of soldiers who sustained a disease or noncombat injury. Of 4,122 soldiers (325 women in support roles), 1,324 had a disease or injury that forced them to miss time or be evacuated.

“Females, compared with males, had a significantly increased incident-rate ratio for becoming a [disease or noncombat] casualty,” the doctors found.

Of 47 female soldiers evacuated from the brigade, 35 — or 74 percent — were for “pregnancy-related issues.” Women had more than triple the evacuation rate of men.

“I infer from this that women are twice as likely to suffer non-battle injuries in current specialties,” William Gregor, a professor of social sciences at the Army’s Command and Staff College, told The Times. “They will probably have a greater injury rate in heavy physical occupational specialties and the combat arms. The British experience with gender-free or neutral training standards suggests the injury rate will dramatically increase.”

son of roy
son of roy 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

I'm new to this blog.  I am a former AT3 that was ship's company on the Indy in Desert Shield.  There is something that I don't think is considered in regards to sexual attraction in the military.  Falling in love.   Every sailor knows that if someone is in a flooding space and can't get out, he or she may have to seal that person behind a WTD or hatch in order to save the ship.  Every sailor knows (or should know) that if the Cap'n can save the ship in reasonable operating condition at the cost of everyone on board he or she will do it.  A carrier is worth more that 5,000 sailors and marines. 

 

But EVERYTHING changes when you're in love.  Flowers smell sweeter.  Priorities change.  Deep one's do without us even realizing it sometimes.  That person you love becomes the most important person in the world.  That person is worth more than a carrier, more that a mission.  And the really sneeky thing about it is, the love doesn't have to be requited for it to adversely affect the capability of the unit.  Even if it was only in childhood, we've all loved someone that didn't even know it.

 

Case in point.  The EP3 Aries/Chinese fighter mid-air collision several years ago.  Now I was just a lowly tweek and not an aviator, but I'm pretty sure rule #1 of flying a spy plane is "Do not land an intact spy aircraft in the country you are spying on!!!"  Radio frequency waves are a physical phenomenon and require physical hardware to collect and route to the lil' black boxes.  Things like antennae and wave guides.  Things that cannot easily be jettisoned from an aircraft in flight.  So even if there was a magic button that erased all the software, the hardware reveals the frequencies we can detect and the frequencies we are looking at.

 

Every sailor and "spook" onboard that aircraft were not worth having the Chinese get a hold of an intact Aries.  The "pilot" (I refuse to call him a aviator) should have augered the plane in.  That plane should be on the bottom of the pacific as we speak, even if all hands were on board.

 

The "pilot" was fraternizing at least, but is suspect was "in love".

 

I've known women and homosexual men that were far stronger, tougher, and more patriotic that me.  That's beside the point.  The mission, the ship, the war, the country is more important than the individual rights of the service person.  

Old PH2
Old PH2 5pts

 @son of roy It's as obvious as the nose on my face, thanks for bringing that point up!  Since I was not in "LOVE" while deployed it never occurred to me.  I was aboard Ike during a Carrier Qual when the Iowa blew, I think they were just over the horizon about 20 mi away.  Guys on deck said the concussion from that turret exploding knocked some off their feet.  Imagine Being aboard the Samuel Roberts when it broke nearly in half, those fellows welded bollards and cleats to the ship and ran cable through them to hold it together.  The choices we make when preforming DC can not be coloured by our emotions.  

 

Great post AT3!

DustyRhodes1
DustyRhodes1 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

1.)  Because any females captured by the enemy will likely get repeated raped because that is what bad men do to women. Ask Jessica Lynch

2.)  Because of #1, the men will feel the need to give their female teammates EXTRA protection because we're built that way, putting their own lives and the mission at risk.  We don't like our females getting raped to death by vermin.

 

alectoamorae
alectoamorae 5pts

 @DustyRhodes1 Jessica Lynch's story was debunked awhile ago.  Google it.

Veritasworld
Veritasworld 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

I am sorry, but the first thing you would have to do is convince these women to not play softball. Scientifically speaking, there are real differences in the physiology of men and women which would preclude women from serving in such a capacity. They are different for a reason and that should be celebrated. All of the feeble attempts to equalize them in this way is asinine. GI Jane is not a good idea IMHO-and thankfully of the US SOCOM leadership-. 

Josh Hodges
Josh Hodges 5pts

I believe CSOR or JTF2 had a female member at one point.  Also, a Captain Tattersall passed the Royal Marine Commando course several years ago.  Females police officers in several departments have made it through SWAT training.  Both South Korea and Israel have already been mentioned.

 

So, I think if a female works hard at it and dedicates herself, she could get a role in the infantry and potentially, special operations.  As pointed out, she needs to be held to the same standard as her male counterpart.

 

The only problem I see is a demand.  In other countries, infantry is open to women but still remains an unpopular choice amongst women.  So, how many women are willing to dedicate themselves, physically and mentally, to being an "operator"?  It requires not conforming to femininity and a comfortable lifestyle.

ArcticWarrior
ArcticWarrior 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Josh Hodges

 You didnt answer Eric's questions. until then its moot.

Josh Hodges
Josh Hodges 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @ArcticWarrior 

 

The way I see it, until something actually happens, everything's up for debate.  Otherwise, theories are all we got.

Eric_Strattoniii
Eric_Strattoniii 5pts

 @ArcticWarrior  @Josh Hodges Serious but GTG now, thanks

ArcticWarrior
ArcticWarrior 5pts

 @Eric_Strattoniii  @Josh Hodges

 Eric,

Off topic but belated congrats on your NAVSOC Medic of the Year.

 

Heard you were injured in Astan, how serious?

Eric_Strattoniii
Eric_Strattoniii 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @Josh Hodges It is not a theory, if you had read the other comments you would see that they have tried to hold an equal standard in the past for less physically demanding jobs in the military and the women did so poorly that they just did what the GOs always do-drop the standards. There are also more than a few comments on the history of females in combat, lastly, not sure where you got it that there are females in the Canadian Tier One Unit, that is wishful thinking or a mistake in thinking that someone who works in a combat support role is the same as being an assaulter. 

Eric_Strattoniii
Eric_Strattoniii 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 7 Like

Still waiting for answers that have to do with logic to my questions on this thread and others too:

How does this make us more combat effective?

(We are already using them in the manner that is implied by the article and others in the thread)

How is this cost effective?

What do you do about the problems with Frat and Pregnancy that are epidemic in the current state, never mind what will happen at even more isolated FOBs/COPs/Whatever?

 

The USMC just decided to allow females to attend Infantry Training for Officers and Enlisted anddddddddd of course they have a new "gender neutral" PT test coming out that "SHOCKER!" has not upper body in it. Politics over combat effectiveness and peoples lives. Quotas and PC over combat effectiveness and peoples lives and feelings and job "opportunity" over combat effectiveness and peoples lives. Lack of moral courage on this topic is so common that I would like to see at least one person in a mainstream paper who pointed out the topics I have but that would mean they would put their jobs on the line.

Josh Hodges
Josh Hodges 5pts

 @Eric_Strattoniii 

 

It doesn't make us more combat effective but it doesn't make us any less either.  Though some may argue women can access roles that men wouldn't be able to such as engaging/searching the female populace.  But my counterpoint to this argument is that that role can be fulfilled by support groups just as effectively.  Also, I don't believe it's economically cost effective either because I don't see the majority of women passing or even being interested enough to dedicate themselves in accordance to the amount spent on training them (at least, in the short term).  In other words, the issue has to do with even more political correctness/affirmative action/equal rights/blah blah than anything else.

 

But that might not be a bad thing.  The military is arguably at it's height right now.  It has more women service members than ever before.  So, the question of women in infantry/special operations roles will be asked.  That is inevitable.  Thus, it's better to test it, draw conclusions, and get it out of the way right now.

 

Also, if individuals are unprofessional enough by choosing not to abide by the rules regarding fraternization and pregnancies, then kick them out.  Simple as that.

 

 

Eric_Strattoniii
Eric_Strattoniii 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 4 Like

 @Josh Hodges Yes it does makes us less combat effective. IF I have a female on my team who as she enters a room is tossed around like a rag doll due to her size and lack of physical strength then that is another sector of the room that is not covered. If there is a major engagement and we go back to attrition warfare and they cannot be as mobile on the ground or cannot hold their own in close quarters combat, it matters. IF she cannot get me out of a danger area and to a helo, ground mobility platform, boat, etc... IF a ship goes down or men die due to women being physically unable to do the task required for damage control, then it matters. Need me to go on?

 

As for spending, not sure what military you are talking about being at it's "height", the 80's were more of a "height" that now in terms of ships, men, etc....the budget is already scheduled to shrink and you are basically advocating that we spend money on something that is not needed. 

 

The other comments you made are just not realistic. If you think this has not been looked at in the past then you are not keeping up with this topic., If you think we have not talked about how women are used in support roles via CSTs and FETs, then you are not reading all of the comments but that I get, there are a load of posts and a lot of them are just silly. The last one about frat, pregnancy, etc...has been approached time after time and I even provide links to how the military treats pregnant females and how this will never be controlled due to human nature. Women are also only in the military due to "goals" AKA-quotas. Read up on the topic a bit more, a great book by Kingsly Browne is available on Amazon, it is pretty cheap if you use a Kindle. I would also suggest you join the military to see just how poorly the Senior Officers actually "lead" and it would also allow you to better understand about some of the other dynamics we are talking about. 

 

 

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LCpl X
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 @ACS

 

The Koreans are probably the most violence oriented people I've ever witnessed. 

 

Korean military, saw a Korean Sgt, just beat the fuck out of another guy while in formation, some Korean words were exchanged and the lower rank just took the beating.

 

On a stop over at Seoul, Inchon, I took one of those tour the city bus tours you get from the airport while awaiting your next flight, and I saw 3 random fights on the streets, just break out like nothing, we were advised this was common.

 

During an LAPD ride along, I went to a bunch of calls in Koreatown for domestic violence, was told ethnic wise, ratio wise the Koreans got the Mexicans beat in wife boxing, they're the champs.

 

But the best of all are the Korean Christian churches around Socal, there's rumbles almost every weekend.

 

Koreans are bad mofos.

katgirl231
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 @LCpl X  @ACS I think that a part of the Korean culture which is pretty different from other Asian cultures is that there is no problems about losing your temper in front of others.  A friend of mine who went to school in Honk Kong told me that he was taught that a strong influence was the fact that Kublai Khan (son of Ghengis) and his merry campers lived there a long time.  I had two friends who told me some hair-raising stories.  One was a USMC Sergeant who served two tours in RVN and made friends with some of the ROK nearby - the VC never bothered them because of what they would do to whole villages who, for example, cut their telephone line- like a scene out of a Vlad Tepish biography.  Another was an Army officer who worked with the ROK during the Cold War and saw some unbelievable discipline dished out to troops while walking with his counterpart during inspection.  Holy cats!

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 @katgirl231  @LCpl X  @ACS

 KAT we did Foal Eagle with ROKs and trust me they are hard.

LCpl X
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 @katgirl231 

 

100% with LA riots, kat. It's no wonder most their children become lawyers, doctors and other well off professions, there is discipline, heavy handed maybe but discipline none the less which pays off long term

 

Can you imagine the LA riots had there not be a huge Korean population? Rodney fuckin' King was interviewed on CNN this past weekend to "commemorate" the riots 20 yrs ago, WTF? There were a bunch of other touchy feely bullshit that happened around LA for the 20th fuckin' anniversary, like it's something to be fuckin' proud off.

 

Coverage of how the Korean community put a stop to the riots? Nil. Black kids are still acting a fool, and we are to blame.

 

 @ACS 

 

re the Korean church disputes it's most business related, tax exemption, schools to run, programs, etc etc. There was one that was really well publicized in Torrance in which Torrance PD had to respond with riot gear.

katgirl231
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 @LCpl X  @ACS I gained a lot of admiration for the community since during the LA Riots, they were the only community which simply shot back at the hordes coming to burn down their stores.  Next time it happens, I plan on stopping by and teaching them the cosine rule.

Tango9
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I'm going to perform CPR on this thread, because if nothing else:  this will go down in SOFREP history.

 

BREATHE!  <clearing airway>

katgirl
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dang - I wanted to delete some things I just posted, but there's a lag.

ArcticWarrior
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And still nobody has answered Eric's questions.

 

rangedelivery
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Dynamite comes in small packages.

SEAL76
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When their menstrual cycles all sync up God help any bad guys who get in their way.

Tango9
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 @SEAL76 and chocolate.  Need to keep the chocolate pipeline open.  OR... if that closes we need to double the ammo.

katgirl
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 @Tango9  @SEAL76 <laughing> there was a scene like that in "Married with Children" when they went camping.

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Tango9
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 @Matt2 picture. thousand words. and all that.

Tango9
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 @Matt2 Thanks man.  It was too good to pass up.  Got it from a friend on FB.

Tango9
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 @SEAL76 I would posit that we send them into combat then and only then.  The only concern is logistics:  can we keep them supplied with ammo?  Because they'll be killing everything within a 10km radius.

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