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Home » SOF History » Beyond Neptune Spear: The History of SEAL Team Six (Part 5)

Beyond Neptune Spear: The History of SEAL Team Six (Part 5)

by Chris Martin · November 13, 2012 · Posted In: SOF History
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Along with the previously detailed assault squadrons (Blue, Gold, Red, and Silver) and the training section (Green), the Naval Special Warfare Development Group is also rumored to maintain a special boat unit (Gray).

In addition, there is a large framework of NSWDG support staff (military and civilian) for “administration, supply, medical, logistics, communications, intelligence, operations, and weapons training.” It’s said there are two to three support staff personnel for every operator, all ranking among the best in their respective fields.i

And finally, there are the strategic reconnaissance specialists/snipers of Black Squadron,ii who perform high-risk, low-visibility operations such as penetrating behind enemy lines and cross-border HVT hits.iii

DEVGRU operators are typically expected to prove themselves as assaulters for a minimum of three years before being considered for Black Squadron. After receiving additional training, they remain integral components of their original colored assault squadrons while also serving as detachable elements for more specialized, highly-sensitive operations.iv

In 1993, a four-man DEVGRU Black element from Red Squadron was sent to complement the Delta Force/Ranger-led Task Force Ranger in Operation Gothic Serpent in Mogadishu, Somalia.v

Initially, the ST6 snipers worked closely with the CIA. They operated out of a safe house well removed from the safety of the hanger occupied by the bulk of the JSOC forces to conduct vehicular reconnaissance of the volatile city. The team also served as sniper support during Delta raids, at one point registering a kill of nearly 850 yards, and conducted “eyes over Mogadishu” sniper flights aboard QRF helicopters.vi

The Black Squadron SEALs also took part in the chaotic Battle of Mogadishu as popularized by the book and feature film Black Hawk Down, entering the fight as part of the ground-extraction convoy.vii

And of the three Advanced Force Operations (AFO) teams that made such a massive positive contribution to Operation Anaconda, one (Mako 31) was a five-man RECCE team from Black Squadron.

Originally one of two DEVGRU recon teams belonging to Task Force Blue at Bagram, the ST6 snipers were sent to the AFO safe house in Gardez at Delta officer Pete Blaber’s request.viii

Mako 31 completed an arduous multi-day, seven-mile climb through the mountains, approaching the assigned observation point unseen. Once on site, they discovered their intended destination had already been claimed by a crew of al-Qaeda fighters. Armed with a Soviet-built DShK heavy machine gun, the terrorists were perfectly positioned to tear apart the air assault that the Coalition conventional forces planned to conduct the following day.ix

Waiting until an hour before the official start of the Anaconda offensive, the DEVGRU RECCE team executed a surprise raid on the al-Qaeda camp, quickly killing two of the militants and seriously wounding another. An AC-130H then engaged and cleaned up the remainder of the group.x

After securing the infantry’s heliborne invasion of the Shah-i-Kot Valley, the ST6 recon and surveillance snipers moved down the slope to link up with the conventional force’s TAC (tactical command center), which had entered the battlefield aboard a pair of MH-60H Black Hawk helicopters.

The skilled marksman then proved invaluable to the nine-man TAC element, which had come under heavy fire. After dissuading an attacking enemy force throughout the day and creating safe conditions for the conventional troops to extract that night, the DEVGRU operators made their exit (one commenting, “I’ve killed enough for today,”); they climbed back up to their observation post and resumed calling in air strikes.xi

More recently, Black Squadron SEALs have reportedly been the centerpiece trigger-pullers of ‘Vigilant Harvest,’ a hunter-killer operation targeting “courier networks, trainers, and facilitators” on the Afghanistan/Pakistan border.xii

However, it was on April 12, 2009, that ST6′s snipers demonstrated their lethal capabilities to the world.

In the fallout of a frenetic April 9 hijacking of American cargo vessel MV Maersk Alabama, the ship’s captain, Richard Phillips, found himself held hostage by four Somali pirates in one of the ship’s lifeboats.

The U.S. Navy took up the pursuit approximately 300 miles off the coast of Somalia, shepherding the cramped boat with an armada headed by the destroyer USS Bainbridge.

After five days of FBI-led negotiations, overhead P-3 Orion surveillance, pirate interviews with the world’s press corps, and a number of tense moments — including an attempted escape — SEAL Team Six was given the green light should Capt. Phillips’ life be determined to be in imminent danger.xiii

DEVGRU’s Red Squadron parachuted into the Indian Ocean unnoticed; an advance team from an operational base in nearby Manda Bay, Kenya, arrived first,xiv followed by the bulk of the squadron which had been on call in the States.xv The squadron’s RECCE snipers subsequently positioned themselves on the back deck of the Bainbridgexvi while the assault element prepared to launch a rescue mission from the USS Boxer.xvii

With one of the pirates already aboard the destroyer (he was injured during Phillips’ attempted escape and required medical attention), the ST6 shooters trained their SR-25 semi-automatic sniper rifles on the three remaining pirates aboard the lifeboat.xviii

As one of the captors pointed an AK-47 at Phillips’ back and threatened to execute the American,xix the DEVGRU snipers fired three simultaneous shots in the dark from a distance of 75-100 feet.xx

Despite rough waters presenting fleeting windows of opportunity as the targets bobbed in and out of the sight, a trio of precise headshots instantaneously left the pirates dead and the captain rescued.xxi

 

More Than Just ‘One Perfect Op’

 

The dramatic rescue of Capt. Richard Phillips resulted in a rush of attention from the global media and public at large, providing a small preview of what was to come with the completion of Operation Neptune Spear.

However, it stands as but one of four successful hostage rescues conducted by DEVGRU in recent years that must be regarded as among the slickest in the history of special operations.

In January 2012, SEAL Team Six provided Somali pirates with a stark reminder of the mortal dangers associated with holding an American civilian captive.

Three months earlier, pirates had taken American aid worker Jessica Buchanan and her Danish colleague, Poul Hagen Thisted, hostage. Intelligence was subsequently obtained suggesting that Buchanan was suffering from a life-threatening condition and in deteriorating health. As a result, Operation Octave Fusion commenced.

On a dark and cloudy night, a team of approximately two dozen DEVGRU operators parachuted from an Air Force Special Operations airplane and navigated to a location approximately two miles from the captors’ campsite.xxii

Silently advancing to the target site near Adabo in north-central Somalia, the ST6 assault force caught the pirates hopelessly off guard. In a daze after an evening of chewing khat (a local leaf popular for its stimulant effect),xxiii only a single member of the heavily-armed kidnapping clan so much as got off a shot before all nine had been neutralized.xxiv The Americans suffered no casualties in the rapid and surgical rescue.xxv

Locals asserted that the assault team took prisoners during the execution of the raid, a claim U.S. officials denied.xxvi

Buchanan and Thisted were safely whisked along with their rescuers to Camp Lemonnier, a United States Naval Expeditionary Base in Djibouti, via helicopter.xxvii

A “senior defense official speaking on the condition of anonymity” told the Washington Post, “I don’t know that there is (another) nation that could pull this thing off with the speed, precision, and stealth that these forces did. It is a reflection of the kinds of counterterrorism skills that we have nearly perfected over the last decade of war.”xxviii

That trademark speed, precision, and stealth was also demonstrated in a pair of successful hostage rescues that took place in Afghanistan.

In August 2008, an American Army Corps of Engineers worker was taken hostage by members of infamous warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar’s militant group, Hezb-i-Ilsami.

Held in the mountains of Wardak Province some 30 miles west of Kabal, the captors were confident that the treacherous terrain would prove a sufficient deterrent to discourage a rescue attempt.xxix

They were wrong.

Having long since overcome any early difficulties dealing with the environment after operating non-stop in the region in the years following 9/11, DEVGRU was well prepared to mount a rescue when the American’s location was finally pinpointed in October of that year.

The operation, detailed by Army Times journalist Sean Naylor, involved some 60 troops (ST6 with, most likely, Rangers in support), loaded in three MH-47E Chinook helicopters.

Approximately two dozen DEVGRU operators were set down a few miles from the camp where they took maximum advantage of their experience traversing the mountains of Afghanistan, quietly approaching the hut at 3:00am following a hike of more than four hours.

A seven-man assault force stealthily crept forward and infiltrated the building. Using suppressed weapons, the SEALs killed both guards (one posted outside, the other inside) before either could react.

The freed American was then exfiltrated to the rescue force’s headquarters by helicopter before being taken to the U.S. Embassy in Kabul.xxx

Most recently, SEAL Team Six carried out a successful hostage rescue in Afghanistan in a joint operation with the fabled British Special Air Service.

In June of 2012, four female aid workers — Briton Helen Johnston, Kenyan Moragwa Oirere, and two Afghani women — were taken captive in Badakhshan Province, near the Tajikistan border.

Within a week, their location had been fixed by a U.S. Predator drone. The stakes were raised when the kidnappers, who had been demanding a multi-million dollar ransom, were discovered to also be holding discussions with the Taliban. Communication intercepts increased concerns that the hostages may be facing imminent execution.xxxi

As detailed by Sean Rayment, Defense Correspondent for The Telegraph, a joint rescue operation was mounted in response, teaming some two dozen SAS troops with a similarly-sized force of DEVGRU operators.xxxii

Intelligence suggested that the women had been split into two separate groups — Johnston and Oirere in one cave, the local women in another. The SAS were tasked with rescuing the British woman and the Kenyan while ST6 assumed responsibility for the Afghanis.

In a similar pattern to other recent rescues, the commandos were dropped off by 160th SOAR MH-60L Black Hawks some two miles from the hostages’ location where they subsequently hiked to the caves through the region’s forested mountains.

Once in position, simultaneous nighttime raids were executed. Again aided by advanced night vision systems and suppressed weapons, the SEAL Team Six operators rapidly eliminated seven kidnappers, although the hostages were nowhere to be found.

The SAS troopers, however, reported in that all four women had been secured at their location, where they had successfully taken out four guards.xxxiii

The rescued aid workers were safely transported back to ISAF Headquarters in Kabul.

 

No Go

 

Despite the dizzying pace of the last decade and the resultant tally of operational victories, a number of would-be high-profile missions have also been aborted during that span.

As al-Qaeda’s leadership scattered following the swift post-9/11 fall of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan, a number of them — including future AQI emir Abu Musab al-Zarqawi — were thought to be gathering in Chalus, Iran, a small coastal city situated on the Caspian Sea.xxxiv

A SEAL Team Six hunter-killer operation was rehearsed in the Gulf Coast region of the United States but ultimately called off. The proposed mission plan called for a team of DEVGRU operators to parachute into the sea and make their way over the beach to the suspected safe house a couple miles inland. Once the meeting had been confirmed, a precision air strike would be directed to the location.xxxv

However, the concerns of Gen. Richard Myers, then-chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, led the operation to be nixed; Myers deemed the intelligence — which had yet to solidly identify the time of the al-Qaeda summit — too sketchy to recommend going forward with the bold assault.xxxvi

In 2005, the United States was just moments away from pulling the trigger on a unilateral raid targeting core AQ figures in Pakistan before shutting it down.

Intelligence obtained by tracking Abu Faraj al-Libi (who had by then assumed the most dangerous job in the world — the position of al-Qaeda #3 — following the capture of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed) led the CIA to believe the terrorist organization was planning an AQ leadership meeting near the Afghanistan border.

Besides al-Libi, Ayman al-Zawahri — ‘HVT-2′ — was expected to attend, along with a number of other prime targets.xxxvii

JSOC’s initial design was to insert a couple dozen SEAL Team Six operators and CIA paramilitary officers for a shock raid featuring a very small footprint. However, nervousness at the Pentagon led the operational plan to balloon to upwards of 150 troops, including a large contingent of Army Rangers.xxxviii

Porter Goss and Stanley McChrystal, the respective heads of the CIA and JSOC at the time, backed the plan. Some at the CIA even urged to go forward without first consulting Ryan C. Crocker, then-American ambassador to Pakistan.

However, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld called it off. The red light came at such a late stage that DEVGRU assaulters had already donned their gear, loaded up into C-130s, and begun their mental preparations to parachute into North Waziristan.

Just as the lighter strike plan was deemed too risky in terms of the American commandos’ lives, Rumsfeld felt the escalated large-scale raid was too risky in terms of the nation’s shaky but crucial relationship with General Pervez Musharraf’s Pakistan government.xxxix

SEAL Team Six reportedly saw another proposed raid in Pakistan scrapped that same year. According to journalist Rowan Scarborough, Taliban leader Ahmad Shah was geo-located just on the other side of the Afghanistan border by the NSA after identifying his voice on a satellite phone.

Shah was the leader of a group of fighters who had killed 19 American servicemen — including a number of SEALs from SEAL Team 10 and SDVT-1 — during the course of Operation Red Wings several months earlier. Unsurprisingly, Shah was considered a target of considerable importance.

In a heated exchange, the CIA station in Kabul strongly recommended sending a team from JSOC across the border to hunt down Shah, but the CIA station in Pakistan preferred to instead use its own men despite not being able to muster them as quickly. In the end, neither action was taken.xl

There are also persistent rumors that DEVGRU was close to spearheading a more proactive response to the increase of pirate activity.

At the time of the Capt. Richard Phillips rescue in 2009, U.S. helicopters flew menacingly over Harardhere — the “capital of Somali piracy”xli — and one reportedly landed for ten minutes.xlii Since then there have been repeated hints that a proposed invasion of the pirates’ home base was considered but never executed.xliii

And in late 2011, the United Stated mulled sending JSOC commandos to covertly infiltrate eastern Iran with the intention of either retrieving or destroying a downed RQ-170 Sentinel in order to prevent Iran from discovering the high-tech stealth drone. The mission was deemed not worth the risk with officials fearing a larger international incident should something go wrong. They also hoped the remote crash site would go undiscovered.xliv

Iran subsequently obtained the craft and paraded it out on state television.

Additionally, numerous undisclosed operational plans to conduct missions outside the Iraq and Afghanistan war zones have been cancelled in recent years.xlv

 

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Notes

i Blehm, Fearless, 167.

ii Sean D. Naylor, “SEALs in bin Laden raid drawn from Red Squadron,” Navy Times (May 5, 2011), http://www.navytimes.com/news/2011/05/army-seals-in-bin-laden-raid-drawn-from-red-squadron-050511/.

iii Ambinder and Grady, “When You See The Word National,” in The Command.

iv Wasdin and Templin, SEAL Team Six, 155.

v Ibid, 191.

vi Ibid, 191, 201, 218.

vii Bowden, Black Hawk Down (New York: Atlantic Monthly Press, 1999), 51.

viii Naylor, Not a Good Day to Die, 122.

ix Ibid, 164-174.

x Ibid, 189-190.

xi Ibid, 284.

xii Ambinder and Grady, “Widening the Playing Field” in The Command.

xiii “Pirates Hold American Captain Hostage; Negotiations Continue for Release,” PBS Newshour (April 9, 2009), http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/africa/jan-june09/somalia_04-09.html.

xiv Marc Ambinder, “Obama Gives Commanders Wide Berth for Secret Warfare,” The Atlantic (May 25, 2010), http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/05/obama-gives-commanders-wide-berth-for-secret-warfare/57202/.

xv Owen, No Easy Day.

xvi Ambinder, “Then Came Geronimo.”

xvii Owen, No Easy Day.

xviii Jack Murphy, “A Critical Look at The Command by Marc Ambinder and D.B. Grady,” SOFREP (July 15, 2012), http://sofrep.com/9311/a-critical-look-at-the-command-by-marc-ambinder-and-d-b-grady/.

xix Chris Lawrence, Mike Mount, and Barbera Starr, “3 ‘phenomenal shots’ ended pirate hostage crisis,” CNN (April 13, 2009), http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa/04/13/somalia.rescue.breakdown/.

xx Stephanie Gaskell, “Three Navy SEALs free Capt. Phillips from pirates with simultaneous shots from 100 feet away,” NY Daily News (April 14, 2009), http://articles.nydailynews.com/2009-04-14/news/17919819_1_naval-special-warfare-command-training-three-navy-seals.

xxi David Gardner, “‘Flawless’: U.S. Navy snipers killed three Somali pirates with just three shots… in the dark, from the deck of a rolling ship,” Daily Mail (April 13, 2009), http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1169712/Flawless-How-U-S-Navy-snipers-killed-Somali-pirates-just-shots–dark-deck-rolling-ship.html.

xxii Kimberly Dozier, “Navy SEAL raid in Somalia shows campaign ahead,” Associated Press (January 26, 2012), http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/01/26/navy-seal-raid-in-somalia-shows-campaign-ahead/.

xxiii Karen McVeigh, “US commando team that killed Bin Laden swoop on Somali pirates,” The Guardian (January 25, 2011), http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/25/us-commandos-swoop-on-somali-pirates.

xxiv Dozier, “Navy SEAL raid in Somalia shows campaign ahead.”

xxv Karen DeYoung and Greg Jaffe, “Navy SEALs rescue kidnapped air workers Jessica Buchanan and Poul Hagen Thisted in Somalia,” The Washington Post (January 25, 2012), http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-forces-rescue-kidnapped-aid-workers-jessica-buchanan-and-poul-hagen-thisted-in-somalia/2012/01/25/gIQA7WopPQ_story.html.

xxvi Jeffrey Gettleman, Eric Schmitt, and Thom Shanker, “U.S. Swoops In to Free 2 From Pirates in Somali Raid,” The New York Times (January 25, 2012), http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/26/world/africa/us-raid-frees-2-hostages-from-somali-pirates.html?_r=1.

xxvii McVeigh, “US command team that killed Bin Laden swoop on Somali pirates.”

xxviii Greg Jaffe, “SEAL Team Six parachuted into Somalia on raid,” The Washington Post (January 25, 2012), http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/checkpoint-washington/post/seal-team-six-parachuted-into-somalia-on-rescue-raid/2012/01/25/gIQAVoiyQQ_blog.html.

xxix Jason Straziuso, “American rescue in Afghanistan,” Associated Press (October 23, 2008), http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/23/world/fg-rescue23.

xxx Naylor, “Inside a U.S. hostage rescue mission.”

xxxi Ian Drury and David Williams, “SAS rescue girl was ‘hours from death’: Prime Minister gave mission the go-ahead after Taliban threat,” The Daily Mail (June 3, 2012), http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2154224/Helen-Johnston-SAS-rescue-girl-hours-death.html.

xxxii Sean Rayment, “How the British hostages were rescued in Afghanistan,” The Telegraph (June 3, 2011), http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/9307833/How-the-British-hostages-were-rescued-in-Afghanistan.html.

xxxiii Sean Rayment and Ben Farmer, “High praise for audacious hostage rescue,” The Sydney Morning Herald (June 4, 2012), http://www.smh.com.au/world/high-praise-for-audacious-hostage-rescue-20120603-1zq32.html.

xxxiv Bergen, Manhunt, 160.

xxxv David Crist, “After 9/11: The United States and Iran,” Command Posts (September 11, 2012), http://www.commandposts.com/2012/09/after-911-the-u-s-and-iran/.

xxxvi Bergen, Manhunt, 160.

xxxvii Ibid.

xxxviii Ibid.

xxxix Mark Mazzetti, “U.S. Aborted Raid on Qaeda Chiefs in Pakistan in ’05″ The New York Times (July 8, 2007), http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/08/washington/08intel.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all.

xl Scarborough, Sabotage, 190.

xli “Harardhere: The capital of Somali piracy,” AFP, http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentID=2008112022557.

xlii Stephanie McCrummen and Ann Scott Tyson, “Navy Kills 3 Pirates, Rescues Ship Captain Off Somalia’s Coast,” The Washington Post (April 13, 2009), http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/12/AR2009041200467.html?sid=ST2009041203047.

xliii Chris Plante, “‘Medal of Honor Warfighter’ multiplayer is more cooperative, morally confusing,” The Verge (June 7, 2012), http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/7/3070699/medal-of-honor-warfighter-multiplayer-is-improved-morally-confusing.

xliv Julian E. Barnes, “U.S. Made Covert Plan to Retrieve Iran Drone,” The Wall Street Journal (December 7, 2011), http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204770404577082822643123332.html.

xlv Eric Schmitt and Mark Mazzetti, “Secret Order Lets U.S. Raid Al Aqeda,” The New York Times (November 9, 2008), http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/10/washington/10military.html?pagewanted=all.

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caiusKeys
caiusKeys 5pts

One small comment: Afghans are people, Afghanis is a currency. 

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @caiusKeys People are currency.

RedSpecnaz
RedSpecnaz 5pts

Thanks for the interesting publication, I always liked to read about the actions of the professionals

Magicmuffin
Magicmuffin 5pts

I have a question

 with the little i know about ST6 why dont all SEALs apply for green team or what ever selection process they have?

Chris Martin
Chris Martin 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @Magicmuffin The following are not my words; they are taken from 'Fearless', in which a ST6 operator is quoted as explaining it thusly:

 

"Guys will say they're going to get out and do something else, but honestly, the reason guys don't go, the only reason a SEAL from the regular teams won't go to Green Team, is because he's afraid of failing. Because if you fail out of Green Team, then you're automatically ranked in the SEAL teams as not good enough to be at DEVGRU -- and, some of us might say, not good enough to be a SEAL. If you don't go, you've never been ranked. Oh, you can still think you're a hotshot at the regular team level, but that's only because you've never been tested at the next level."

 

That's just one insider's opinion and I'm sure others would likely disagree. Nevertheless, combined with the fact that it's pretty much a 50/50 proposition even for the motivated guys who successfully screen, it's a bit of a gamble to take that chance considering the potential damage to your reputation. Also, I believe Pharrer, in his less... eccentric days... explained that if you fail, it also seriously derails your career.

Taskforcegreen
Taskforcegreen 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

 @Chris Martin  @Magicmuffin The truth is this....

 

The DevGru guys who ended up on the West Coast's NAVSPECWAR community to live after being on an East Coast team for so long end up joining several PMCs here in San Diego (where I live and work as an author w/ a group of former SOF vets).

 

As a Tier 1 operator-turned-privatized shooter, they haven't lost any of their skillsets and their basic land warfare/small unit tactics. They, in fact, are part of several locally based PMCs, who also hire TONS of former Delta, OGA SAD/SOG,-types, Rangers and SF, and even SAS/SBS (as many of the companies have UKSF leadership in their teams). 

 

TITANGROUP (which got absorbed into L-3 Communications) had numerous top-level shooters, snipers, medics, EOD techs, pilots, airlift assets, comms specialists, SIGINT/HUMINT operators, who decided it wasbest to continue doing their jobs and work for another less visible PMC that actually works more in asymmetric warfare and actually conducts offensive DA operations w/JSOC-type units (not %100 confirmed on anything involving JSOC as I am not about to say one way or the other whether Delta, DevGru, and TF Orange/ISA are currently working alongside these PMCs). But there was a large opening in the market and so these several subsidiaries and newly built Priv Sec/Priv Mil firms were created for specific taskings from the D.o.D and any OGA elements. They worked also alongside Academi and DyneCorp as well, which made them formidable in the industrry and against their newest enemies (which I've been documenting with the help of those that were there doing the engaging) in Mexico against the Zetas, cartel TCOs, and Venezuelan paramilitaries backed by actually real-deal Iranian advisors (from Al Quds/IRGC specialized clandestine infil units). 

 

Its an mind-blowing conflict, in my own backyard, and I literally just got back earlier yesterday from Scripps Hospital visiting one of the ebook's central operators, "Bayou" (niickname for PERSEC), and he had been hit twice in the collarbone and then the neck, which was less than 1/2 an inch from the coratid artery, by PKM fire coming through what-was-supposed-be-bulletproof-glass-kinda thing. There were two other operators who were struck, luckily in their Level IVs, but still, these men are heroes to me regardless if they are no longer in ST6/Delta/24thSTS/ISA/whatever....

 

The story I will be telling will pay PROPER homage to men, who for a mediocre paycheck (which used to be huge, but the economy yadda yadda), run towars gunfire in the slums of Monterrey, Mexico and literally fight it out against the Zetas, in face-to-face contacts where the PMCs are only 2 -3 vs. 15+ of them...and these great men still come out on top, high fiving over the dozen or so they were able to face without fear and reduce in seconds. They deserve our respect, again, regardless if they are still in the USN's Tier 1 SOF any longer or not. 

 

 

 

 

 

Taskforcegreen
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 @13thBama  @Grigori haha....me too....I was like "wait...who were they?"   I didn't know India had a respectable (and I mean RESPECTABLE) SMU that really did work....so yeah.

 

Yeah, I didn't know if it was NFG or NSG either at first! lol

13thBama
13thBama 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Taskforcegreen  @Grigori  The only reason I knew was that I googled them (NSG) after watching, what was probably, the same show you saw them on.  You were only one letter off :)

Grigori
Grigori 5pts

 @Taskforcegreen +1, those youtube fights are simply epic.

Taskforcegreen
Taskforcegreen 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Grigori yeah, world is full of idiots. Just go on youtube and watch american and Uk idiots duke it out like ten year olds about who's tougher. The toughest men I know are private operators....Not @ CAG or DevGru any longer, but now as a PMC. They took those skills from being in an SMU, and added to them from others....making them a serious threat. Hence, why the OGA, UN/NATO, AU, etc call on them for help instead of anyone else

Grigori
Grigori 5pts

 @13thBama  Black Cats are the NSG(National Security Guards) raised on the lines of the GSG-9. Like I mentioned in a comment below they are not considered as a Special Forces unit. India at present has 3 SF units the Army's Para(SF), Navy's MARCOS(Trained by the SEALs in the beginning), Air Force's Garuds. The R&AW has the Special Group somewhat like a mix of an SMU and CIA's SAD, also the SFF(Special Frontier Force).

Grigori
Grigori 5pts

 @Taskforcegreen Thank You sir, I remember some British soldiers on the arrse forum criticizing and saying "Give me an AK and I can handle the Indian SF alone" felt very sad. Though all aside Indian SF units have matured a lot thanks to the exercises with the Americans.Regarding an OGA,I do remember an FBI team had reached Mumbai the very next day.

Taskforcegreen
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 @Grigori Well they shouldn't have been criticized AT ALL! They did the best they could in the Taj... There were like a thousand and a half rooms or something lol...They had to clear every one of them and those westerners inside were told to hide, and they did so even when the rescue attempt occurred. So for the Black "CATS" (lol..sorry, i thought it was hats...dummy me), I have the utmost respect for them. Of course, I also heard that an OGA was on scene too..pretty neat story!

Grigori
Grigori 5pts

Taskforcegreen: Sir they are the black cat commandos, formed on the lines of the GSG-9,since they are not under the Defense Ministry they are not considered as an Special Forces unit. They respond to terrorist attacks on Indian cities.Though their performance in the Mumbai attacks was pretty much criticized.

Taskforcegreen
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 @13thBama  @Grigori whoops! It might be! I thought it was black hats because of the helmets they wore. I am not an expert on Indian SOF or anything. Just know about the Mumbai etc incident with them and thought they were called "The Black Hats" and in the show, they all had very specific looking black helmets on so...

13thBama
13thBama 5pts

 @Taskforcegreen  @Grigori Would'nt that be "Black Cats" ?

Grigori
Grigori 5pts

 @Taskforcegreen Thank You for your answer sir. The unit must be the Indian Navy's MARCOS.

Taskforcegreen
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 @Grigori I've heard about Indian "Black Hats" (an SOF unit) rogering up with South Africans, UKSF guys, and some others...so they must be pretty gnarly

Grigori
Grigori 5pts

 @Taskforcegreen  These are some awesome things you have shared sir. Just out of curiosity, are there Indian Special Forces operatives working in PMC's? If yer how would you rate them.

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts

 @Taskforcegreen  I shot you an e-mail the otherday.  Can you hit me up at reflexivefire@yahoo.com.  I would like to talk to you about this book you are working on and a few other things.

JackMurphyRGR
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 @Chris Martin  @Magicmuffin I've known lots of guys who talked about going to Delta selection but never actually went for that reason.  It won't ruin your career at all but the fear of failure is huge for a-type guys.

deadhorse
deadhorse 5pts

 @Grigori You're welcome! Yes, it was difficult getting there, but failing there is a bigger lesson than not going at all. Now if I can just get this regret thing to stop screwing with my head.....lol

Grigori
Grigori 5pts

 @deadhorse It's all right sir.

Grigori
Grigori 5pts

 @deadhorse Wow, this is one hard path just to get to Selection itself. Thank You for sharing your experience. I very much agree with what you said in a previous post that regret is a worse feeling than failure.

deadhorse
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 @Grigori

 

Sorry, typo'd your name, Grigori!

 

deadhorse
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 @Grigori

 

Girgori, keep in mind this was in '99 so things may have changed.

 

So IIRC, at the time, SFAS involved the usual GT score requirement, PT test and Airborne physical.

 

For SFOD-D selection, it was much more involved. The same was the GT score requirement and the PT test. After that, it was all different - you have to pass a battery of IQ and personality tests, modified flight physical, (2) written evaluation letters(Commander and I forget who else) and something else I can't remember.

 

For me everything was pretty easy except for the modified flight physical. Besides all the usual tests, x rays, blood work, etc, there was a performance test that involved sprinting couple hundred meters followed by an immediate blood pressure reading. I blew it the first time but got the it the second time. The individual noticed how nervous I was and she said that it wasn't helping with my blood pressure. ;) 

Grigori
Grigori 5pts

 @deadhorse  The last part that you mentioned that has to do with SFOD-D and SFAS selection part?How would you compare the Selection phase of SFOD-D and SFAS?

deadhorse
deadhorse 5pts

 @Taskforcegreen

 Sorry my bad. He is SF. He has spent time at the school and with the Groups.

deadhorse
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 @Canopylight  

It was basically a dumb move on my part. I was in Germany from 95-98 and I was due to PCS to III Corps in late 98. Before I PCS'd I was given an "invitation"(it's literally like a postcard "You are hereby invited...") to attend the SFOD-D briefing but couldn't make it. Upon arriving at my next duty station I heard about the next briefing coming up there and decided to go.

 

Went to the briefing, liked what I heard, and decided to take the PT test. Out of twenty folks or so only about half passed, and after that we were taken to a classroom to take all kinds of personality and IQ tests. Out of those that took the tests, yet again the group shrank and some of us were given packets to complete. Long story short, only three of us from III Corps ended up at the selection course.

 

In hindsight it was a dumb move on my part to go. I wasn't ready. Not completely anyway. The physical stuff I could handle. Not making any excuses for myself but I got hurt, and yes, I was intimidated like some noob with all the guys doing it for a living.

 

As for what you are saying, that never happened. I constanlty brought it up to the recruiters "I am just a......" and they said they didn't care. They said I met all the requirements to attend and anything after that they didn't care as long as I showed up and did what I could. The difference between SFOD-D selection and SFAS is that you have to be SELECTED to attend SFOD-D selection, where as for SFAS it is just passing the minimum requirements and getting in to an available slot. Well, back then, anyway.

 

Taskforcegreen
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 @deadhorse Wait...SFG or the "Teams"??? I am confused...you first kinda made it sound like he was SF/ODA and then the use of the capitalized "Teams" refers to the frogs, actually....care to help me out?

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts

 @Canopylight  @deadhorse Yeah, that makes a lot more sense.

Canopylight
Canopylight 5pts

 @JackMurphyRGR  @deadhorse This is for an operator position and not cs or css.

Canopylight
Canopylight 5pts

 @JackMurphyRGR  @deadhorse 

I know a mechanic that placed in Best Ranger that after doing SFOD-D selection was specifically told to go SF and then try out again later down the road.. It would never happen to a line guy. They would just be told to get more experience in the 75th. An E-6 mechanic/supply guy/whatever in Regiment can't just go be a squad leader in the line, but he can go be a Joe in SF.

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts

 @Canopylight  @deadhorse I never heard of a 75th guy getting told to go to SF before trying out.

Canopylight
Canopylight 5pts

 @deadhorse I have to ask what made you jump the gun for SFOD-D? I know even Ranger pogues get turned down for SFOD-D even if they perform physically well just from the lack of operational experience. They usually get told to try out for SF and spend some time there.

Canopylight
Canopylight 5pts

 @KRS226  @JackMurphyRGR  @Chris  @Magicmuffin This. I know 1/75 guys that don't want to leave Savannah for Fayetteville. I personally wouldn't bounce from San Diego.

deadhorse
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I can speak of this from experience. In '99 I went to the fall class for SFOD-D selection. I was the only pogue there out of all the SF, Rangers and handful of Infantryman. I didn't make it. Obviously. Upon my return back to my Unit, one of my buddies was urging me to go to SFAS with him. I just couldn't bring myself to do it. I couldn't deal with another failure like that. He is currently with 1 SFG after many years of serving with the Teams. I ended up getting out after OIF I.

 

You know what is worse than the feeling of failure? Regret. :fact

KRS226
KRS226 5pts

@JackMurphyRGR @Chris Martin @Magicmuffin An active duty west coast SEAL told me that many guys from the west coast don't try out for ST6 because they don't want to leave San Diego, which many consider a much nicer place to live than Virginia Beach.

FoCar
FoCar 5pts

Chris, I apologize if this has been asked and answered before; are you working on or planning to release another article like this? 

 

I enjoyed this one so much, after finishing it I immediately bought and read the History of Delta. 

Chris Martin
Chris Martin 5pts

 @FoCar Thanks man. And yeah, the plan is for a three-part series. I have a pretty firm idea of what and how for the last part, but I haven't really got cracking yet, at least in terms of actually writing.

Frosty
Frosty 5pts

 @Chris Martin  @FoCar

Would it be correct for me to assume the next part would be on the Activity?  You've done a great job on these write ups and and they really shed light on shadow groups but the only ones I can think of that America have left are in the CIA and the most famous CIA group is The Activity.

Grigori
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Yet another excellent piece, a big SEAL style Hoo-Yaa to you Mr. Martin.

Chris Martin
Chris Martin 5pts

 @Grigori Thanks.

chris16
chris16 5pts

Why do you think SFOD-D is not getting tasked with missions (that we hear about), and DEVGRU is ?"Ask your CAG friends about the highest profile Op they’ve done lately… and you’ll hear the crickets chirping loudly.  It’s not because they are not talking about it, but because they are not being chosen to do them."Read more: http://sofrep.com/11055/jack-murphy-lands-on-seal-team-sixs-target-deck/#ixzz2C9ce6yPy Read more: http://sofrep.com/11895/beyond-neptune-spear-the-open-secret-history-of-seal-team-six-part-5/#ixzz2C9dWxETh

Taskforcegreen
Taskforcegreen 5pts

 @chris16  I believe the reason Delta gets less in the PR dept is because they prefer it that way....as I know DevGru does too, but unlike the other SMUs, this one (the top one), knows to stay away the light, and to sidestep people who try to make films/shows about their work. In fact, Black Hawk Down was literally like the ONLY time a film had approval from Delta (minus SPARTAN, another great film). 

 

SEALs like attention as their egos, as great as they are and as much as they deserve it, are just huge lol...Delta are quiet, not rowdy, and are more like methodical serial killers than loud, frat boys who can shoot amazingly well and now star in Hollywood movies. 

 

Units that impress me are units like ISA...Or TF Orange (or the Activity, or whatever they call it now). I think INSCOM and JSOC's SIGINT operators are equally good as shooters/doorkickers than ANY Delta operator. Why? Because they do ALL the same training with the same teams for the same task forces...plus, they have their own group of shooters (not just from Delta)!!! That says something....and there is ONE BOOK about them (Killer Elite). Other than a few brief mentions elsewhere, thats it

 

THAT is who commands MY RESPECT...big time. They captured Pablo (not Search Bloc), the captured Saddam (not 4th ID), they captured his sons, and many many other historically huge figures. In fact, the SAD people working the UBL deal were hands down travelling with TF Orange/Activity personnel every step of the way....bet your life on it

Chris Martin
Chris Martin 5pts

 @chris16 Check the comments for Part 4 that ran last Tuesday. We went back and forth on that a bit.

 

http://sofrep.com/11893/beyond-neptune-spear-the-open-secret-history-of-seal-team-six-part-4/

JackMurphyRGR
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 @Chris Martin  @chris16 Everybody has an agenda I guess.  Its funny how people are so butt hurt over the "who is better arguement".  I get the Marines vs. Rangers one more often but I think it is so funny because the people making these comments seem to have very little insight into the subject.

Taskforcegreen
Taskforcegreen 5pts

 @JackMurphyRGR  @Chris Martin  @chris16 Well Jack, in my VERY VERY humble opinion, those in Delta and TF Orange/Activity/ISA are the "best" over all others. Yes, the 24th STS are beyond impressive, and even tho ST6 are cute little movie stars now, they are still on top and one of the best BUT....Well, Delta is quiet, like a pit viper, not bragging...not being loud... And the ISA are hands down the most high speed, high level, max black covert ops specialists that are so good, SAD/SOG ask to work with THEM...so, hey....that ansers that argument in my humble opinion

 

 

ST6 killed UBL??

CHECK THIS OUT PEOPLE!!

--->>>  Well ISA and Delta got Pablo, and ISA then got Saddam, his sons, Zarqawi and all of AQI, Anwar Anlaki or whatever his name was, and no matter what SAD/SOG says, they were ABSOLUTELY leading the way in tracking UBL alongside the Agency, while also acting as support and as possible shooters if security was compromised.

 

-->They are basically Delta, but with ten times more honed comms skills and HUMINT experience, which makes them the ONLY real Tier 1 James Bond-kind-of-spy while being a knob-turner and reg operator at the same time....all while speaking ten languages!!!!!!!!!!!

Canopylight
Canopylight 5pts

 @jct95  @KRS226  @JackMurphyRGR It is true however that when Delta was assigned Iraq as an AO it was 'main effort.' Rangers barely sent anybody to Afghanistan and often they sat around not doing much especially during the Winter. I can't speak of how many missions DEVGRU was getting in that time frame, but I about guarantee it wasn't as numerous as Delta was getting in Iraq. At the time JSOC was in charge by Army personnel and DEVGRU still had the reputation that Chris spoke of in his earlier articles.

jct95
jct95 5pts

 @KRS226  @JackMurphyRGR  @jct95 Obviously, both units represent the highest tier of the US SOF community...although If we had to argue who is "most interesting" I think we'd have to settle on the ISA. 

KRS226
KRS226 5pts

@JackMurphyRGR @jct95 It is a dumb discussion. I was just pointing out to grigori that Delta isn't a "step up" or above DEVGRU.

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @jct95  @KRS226 Its a pretty silly discussion at any rate.  Of the people saying unit x is better than unit y, I wonder what quantitative or qualitative methods they using to measure which unit is "the best."  If someone can answer that I will take their argument seriously, otherwise I would advise people not to get too wound up about these things.

jct95
jct95 5pts

@KRS226 Obviously it isn't advancing - if anything it's a lateral move.

jct95
jct95 5pts

@FoCar @JackMurphyRGR Iassen posted it on Forbes.

FoCar
FoCar 5pts

 @JackMurphyRGR  @jct95 I'm talking about jtc's comment.

 

I've already seen the email from the ST6 guy... unfortunately. 

 

That was painful to read. 

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts

 @FoCar  @jct95 The OP posted the link not once but twice!

KRS226
KRS226 5pts

DEVGRU guys don't "advance" to Delta.

KRS226
KRS226 5pts

@Grigori DEVGRU guys don't "advance" to Delta.

FoCar
FoCar 5pts

 @jct95   Out of curiosity, where did that passage come from?

Grigori
Grigori 5pts

 @jct95  @JackMurphyRGR  @Chris Martin  @chris16 

But what would make an DEVGRU operative to advance to Delta? Something to think about.

Grigori
Grigori 5pts

 @JackMurphyRGR  @jct95  @Chris Martin  @chris16 

Basically all this silence about Delta has like made it more mysterious and legendary now. There was a time I was amazed by the legend of the SAS but now after reading what Delta did in Bosnia and Iraq ,MAN I must say it is spectacular.

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts

 @jct95  @JackMurphyRGR  @Chris Martin  @chris16 I wasn't referencing anyone particular aside from the original poster whose quote from that irate Dev Group dude gave me a chuckle.

jct95
jct95 5pts

 @JackMurphyRGR  @Chris Martin  @chris16 I'm assuming we're talking about me, and with all due respect I was trying to be as nice as humanly possible. I just find it a bit disconcerting when certain writers post what I believe to be controversial subject matter. For example...

"...There are a couple of reasons why this was handed down to DEVGRU – for one, when OIF kicked off, JSOC put all the Delta squadrons on rotation for Iraq while the DEV stayed behind in Afghanistan. And if anybody remembers OEF from the 2003 to 2006 time frame, it was like being in Bosnia. Everybody thought it was over. So while Delta and the Rangers are killing bad guys en mass in Iraq, DEVGRU probably averaged a few missions a week in Afghanistan. But they stayed in Afghanistan and have been there ever since, even after all the Iraq JSOC components started circulating out of OIF and into OEF in the 2008 time frame. McRaven is also a former SEAL, that’s saying enough right there. The reality is Delta is a far superior unit, anybody who has worked with both can see that. DEVGRU is a rough equivalent but they are still an amazing unit with amazing individuals. It’s saying something when DEVGRU shooters see Delta as a career advancement. But in the end, this operation in Pakistan was no different then the thousands of hits we all have done in Iraq. There was a standard for success in this mission, and Delta, DEVGRU, easily surpass that standard. In all actuality, there are many units who could have done this and killed bin Laden – from Rangers, to regular SEAL platoon, to a SF CIF team. But this is UBL we are talking about, it “has” to be JSOC. And they deserve it..."

That's all I have to say about it, I never argued that one is a vastly superior unit. 

chris16
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@JackMurphyRGR One team, one fight.

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @chris16 Haha!  Are you sure you want to use that quote?  Check your citation!  You could fill a warehouse with what he apparently doesn't know.

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