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Home » Special Operations » SERE School: myths vs. reality

SERE School: myths vs. reality

by Jack Murphy · February 8, 2012 · Posted In: Special Operations
Three SERE School Myths
SERE School sucks, no getting around it, no beating around the bush here.  It isn’t fun and isn’t meant to be.  That said, SERE is critically important training for any soldier who could find himself (or herself) trapped behind enemy lines, such as pilots and Special Operations personnel.  SERE stands for Survival, Escape, Resistance, and Evasion.  During the three week block of instruction, you are trained on each of these skills.

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The first week of SERE is the survival portion, in which you spend about a week living out in the woods getting classroom instruction and hands on training.  For those interested in this type of training, but unable to attend SERE, the curriculum is mostly based off of The SAS Survival Handbook by John “Lofty” Wiseman.  This would also be a good book for future SERE students to read and get a leg up on the course.  This way, you can have have your questions about the material ahead of time to ask the instructors once you get to SERE.

My favorite part of SERE was the Escape and Evasion or E&E training.  You can only imagine what this might entail.  As far as the Resistance part of the school, sorry, I can’t talk about that.  But let’s dispel a few myths while we are on this subject.  The last five or six days of the course consist of a field training exercise in which students have to apply all of their training.  What starts as an E&E scenario ends with the students getting captured and imprisoned in a mock POW camp.  So here are a few of my favorite misconceptions:

Myth #1: Instructors are allowed to break one bone in your body during the POW portion of SERE.  This is incorrect.  While in the detention facility, students are placed under some level of physical duress but this is closely monitored and supervised to ensure that it does not get out of control.  SERE is a very professionally run school and has to be for just this reason.

Myth #2: Students who graduate from SERE School come back crazy.  I never saw anything like this.  After the conclusion of SERE school, students are left alone in the barracks for 24 hours to help them decompress and catch up on some sleep.  Final briefings are also conducted with each student on this day as a part of performance counseling.  Students also receive psychological evaluations before participating in the school.  After we graduated the course, my friends and I went out for a steak dinner and beers, none the worse for wear.

Myth #3: SERE School is designed to break you.  If you can’t man up for a few days of field training, then maybe this is the wrong line of work for you.  SERE is a school that challenges your preconceptions.  It takes you outside your comfort zone as a soldier, but that doesn’t mean that they are trying to break you.  If you become a Prisoner of War for real, that experience isn’t going to be a cakewalk and SERE has to prepare you for that.

SERE School is broken into three levels, SERE-C is the “High-Risk” course that Special Forces soldiers are required to attend.  For more background information, it is also recommended that you read Five Years to Freedom by Colonel Nick Rowe, a former POW. He also founded the SERE course.

 

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I graduated from class 10-94, USJFKSWC&S SERE-C. My certificate is the one military certificate I have framed and matted. The course is a fond memory; good and no so good (saw stars a couple of times). I had the privilege of being a student of Dan Pitzer, The Bearded One and the instructor who could of been his twin, Santa Clause and those who help preparing us for the rigors of service. I was challenged mentally, my knowledge was drastically improved (Geneva Conventions, Rule of Law, do not engage in a political discussion for it may lead to your death) etc... I cried upon the end of the "stress lab" portion, along with 47 other proud Americans! For those who have attended you know what I mean, it's very inescapable unless your very disconnected from human emotion. I thank all the instructors and my leaders who supported my attendance of the course. I would attend the course again if given the opportunity, TTPs always change, you owe it to yourself to have the best knowledge to remain alive. SERE-C will always remain one of my fondest military experiences.

JonathanL
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Thank you for this post Mr. Murphy.  I am a SERE school graduate and I appreciate this post!

Muskrat
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@JackMurphyRGR Sorry this is so late but I just finished Five Years To Freedom and wanted to thank you for the recommendation. This is one of the best books I've ever read. It should be mandatory reading for everyone to show what faith, commitment, honor, determination, and survival at all costs really mean. Thanks again.

TaylorAllen1
TaylorAllen1 5pts

My husband is in SERE school right  now, I was wondering if there is a public graduation for the school. or will it be a here is your certificate you graduated type thing? 

cantthinkofausername
cantthinkofausername 5pts

 @TaylorAllen1

 here is yer cert

8071
8071 5pts

Myth #1: Instructors are allowed to break one bone in your body during the  POW portion of SERE.  This is incorrect.  While in the detention  facility, students are placed under some level of physical duress but this is  closely monitored and supervised to ensure that it does not get out of  control.  SERE is a very professionally run school and has to be for just  this reason.

 

So this is why I watched a soldier get his eyeball slashed by in Instructor with long finger nails during training.  This soldier "soldiered" on, but eventually got dropped because his eye ball was ruined.  It was sad.  Is this why a month later, a Marine I spoke with said the same Instructor, with the same long finger nails, once again, committed the same act? Closely monitored my ass, this man should have been placed under probation and barred from committing these career ending injuries.  "It's just business" my ass, if I ever saw this man on the street, I would beat him with a baseball bat and leave him twitching and bleeding and pleading for his life.

     That being said, there are great instructors there, but some are a bit out of control, and don't know the LINE between training and seriously injury. 

FrankKnottyfor
FrankKnottyfor 5pts

@8071  Jack Murphy asked why you didn't notify the Inspector General about the Interrogator who was slashing POW's eyes.  I'd suggest that to do so would mean that word would get around that he was messing with the program, and ultimately that would be a career ender.

What about everyone of the other "caring" Interrogators?  Why didn't any of them stop the Instructror with the long fingernail?  Do you think that they get into the scene and don't want to snitch on one of their own?

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts

 @8071 This is the US Army SERE School.  I have no idea what course you went through or why there may have been a lack of professionalism.  You should have contacted the Inspector General if what you say is true.

SEAN SPOONTS
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Went thru SERE school at NAS Brunswick in 83'. DECEMBER 83' to be precise. I'm a native of Miami Florida born and raised. You can imagine how much colder and wetter I felt than the New Englanders and Mid-Westerners in our group. My toes were numb for months afterward. I lost 10 pounds. All the above myth busting is correct. I'll add the following. If you do break down they are even harder on you. The interrogators end up wailing on some guys just to get them to STFU. I get treated to the 'box,' the 'wall bounce' the 'rubber hose by the nose,' 'the smoking pipe on the stool' but I didn't go into the Fucking Pond, because I did not break down. A squadron mate of mine who went to SERE before me went into the pond twice. We were all scared shitless of going into the pond.
Some of the lore is correct. You do cry at some point. My point was at the end. Distant machine gun and small arms fire is heard in the woods outside the camp over the course of an hour, it seems to be getting closer. Nervous Soviet guards swing their tower guns outward away from us. UH-1 flies over with American markings. Guards scatter, our SRO appears and runs accross the compound between the barracks, helicopter pad and wood shed holding an American flag on a pole. He is tackled by a several guards. Half dozen enraged, but weakened and hollowed eyed prisoners jump on the guards in the pile. Other guards start pulling us out of the pile. Loud speakers begin to blare Star Spangled Banner. SRO jumps up with American flag held high. We all snap to attention(guards too) and salute the tears streaming(as they are right now)..... A pair of 2 1/2 ton trucks enter the compound thru the front gate. They have sheet cakes with red white and blue frosting and half pink milk cartons. The guards are handing them out to us. Now, they speak english and are shaking our hands and calling us shipmate. We load into the trucks and drive down the dirt road a few miles to the buses(with blacked out windows) that pick us up. I filch an unfiltered Pall Mall off the bus driver and nearly faint on the first drag, three of us end up sharing it. Back at Brunswick we go straight to the mess and its open for us between lunch and dinner. We have it to ourselves(on purpose) They serve us breakfast, we gorge ourselves and straggle back to the TAD barracks thru the snow. I'm so tired I can barely climb the flight of stairs to "B" deck. I open the door to my room and look at my rack, perfectly made and gleaming with white sheets and two gray wool blankets. I feel filthy and sticky in the warm barracks and decide to drag ass to the shower dropping my clothes as I go down the hall leaning against the wall the whole way. I take the hottest shower of my life and walk naked back to my room in a daze. I still recall that one of the very best feellings of my entire life was the sensation of sliding between those clean white sheets in that simple, steel framed, regulation Navy rack with a $2 dollar mattress they got from the lowest bidder. I slept about 14 hours. Here's another thing. You don't get a certificate but you do get the SERE Bruins patch, but you can't wear it or show it to anybody. That's the Navy.

8071
8071 5pts

 @SEAN SPOONTS

 I never cried....

SEAN SPOONTS
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@8071 Vulcan...

1L
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When I went through, the scariest of the captors was a tiny Filipino (who I later found was a Senior Chief). That guy knew how to hit, made the Buddha Palm a reality for my class. He grew up in the boondocks in the Philippines, under the "protection" of the NPA, and had a special place for Communism in his heart (hated them), he added reality, seriousness and perspective to SERE school. Everyone cries at SERE school, everyone.

8071
8071 5pts

why do people cry at SERE school? 

ForrestDavis
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Went through USASFC SERE school about 6 months ago. By far the best training i have ever received. What Jack has said is spot on, but i will add one thing. SERE school is unlike any school you will EVER go to. It doesn't train you for specifically anything, airborne school trains you to fall out of planes, HALO to fall out of planes higher, Dive School to conduct water borne ops ECT..... SERE school teaches you perspective, on every facet of your life, planning, speech, metal toughness, survival. I used to work as a volunteer for NOLS and the things they teach you and train you for at SERE school not only help, but what they teach you last throughout your life. You literally look at things differently.

Blake Miles
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@ForrestDavis "You literally look at things differently." Went through USASFC SERE in 2004 told everyone that asked that the world was a different color coming out. More specifically, the colors of the American Flag were *much* brighter.SERE was one of the most valuable experiences of my life.

AlGrintalis
AlGrintalis 5pts

@ForrestDavis well stated... very well stated..

Brent Okuley
Brent Okuley 5pts

I thought there was a non-disclosure agreement you had to sign about SERE? http://goo.gl/JS7h6

SEAN SPOONTS
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@Brent Okuley It's true, I also signed it 28 years ago. The secrets of SERE are the methods of escape, resistance and evasion. I've kept those secrets and will do so to my grave.

FrankKnottyfor
FrankKnottyfor 5pts

@SEAN SPOONTS @Brent Okuley On Brandon Webb's site "No Shit There I Was.." a poster noted that the non-disclosure provision in the paper you signed was only valid for 10 years, so you're no long bound by it after 28 years.

JackMurphyRGR
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@Brent Okuley You'll notice that I omitted a lot of details...

Brent Okuley
Brent Okuley 5pts

@JackMurphyRGR Roger that Top.

AlGrintalis
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@JackMurphyRGR@Brent Okuley I do not think any intel came out here...

Old PH2
Old PH2 5pts

Served with a PH1 that was a RED hat in the '80's. Back then they spoke to each other in"Russian." Pensacola was pretty cushy compared to Brunswick.

LCpl X
LCpl X 5pts

I know many Marines who went thru SERE and said they ALL cried at the end. But none of them would say why. What happens at the end?

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts

You get liberated from the POW camp!

LCpl X
LCpl X 5pts

@JackMurphyRGR

Yeah, but you cry? They're not fucken around, they said they CRIED, like babies.

FrankKnottyfor
FrankKnottyfor 5pts

@AlGrintalis @SEAN SPOONTS @JackMurphyRGR If the program is so powerfully positive, I wonder what would happen if AlGrintalis had a confrontation with an Asian woman?  Maybe it messes with your head forever.

FrankKnottyfor
FrankKnottyfor 5pts

@AlGrintalis @JackMurphyRGR What kind of anger issues?  And how did they play that up?  Were those issues exposed during the POW camp phase, or later?

AlGrintalis
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@SEAN SPOONTS@JackMurphyRGR yah a big party...

SEAN SPOONTS
SEAN SPOONTS 5pts

@AlGrintalis @JackMurphyRGR Jesus!! You got chow and women? Are you sure that was SERe school? LOL

SEAN SPOONTS
SEAN SPOONTS 5pts

@BrandonWebb @JackMurphyRGR Did you or any other Brunswick SERE guys here ever hear of the Cannuck-istan conspiracy?

AlGrintalis
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@SEAN SPOONTS@JackMurphyRGR For me it was after.. trust me they did give "direction" in the trustiest Soviet /Chicom Bloc way.. I still have issue with Asian woman.. But I would do it all again ... I never regretted that school..

SEAN SPOONTS
SEAN SPOONTS 5pts

@AlGrintalis @JackMurphyRGR Ahh, I see. Always wondered about this. It used to be said that the Navy school was different than the Army or Air Force versions because the Navy did not break character and correct your errors during the scenario. Whatever you screwed up you found out during the debried afterwards. Did they stop and correct you in the middle of things or did they wait until after it was all over?

AlGrintalis
AlGrintalis 5pts

@SEAN SPOONTS@JackMurphyRGR I was at Bragg , 80's

SEAN SPOONTS
SEAN SPOONTS 5pts

@AlGrintalis @JackMurphyRGR Hmm, What year did you go thru? Did you go to Brunswick?

SEAN SPOONTS
SEAN SPOONTS 5pts

@JackMurphyRGR @AlGrintalis @BrandonWebb I went thru the cold war SERE school so you may not know this one but the Soviet guards used to scream at us to; "Get into the Po-zish." It was a stress position we were suppose to maintain at all times in our cells, they'd smack you around if they caught you out of it. It used to be a challenge phrase for suspected phonies who claimed they went to SERE. If you knew the "Po-zish" and a few other intentionally obscure but universally experienced details you were probably for real. In my post above I made a few references that Cold War era SERE grads like me would know intimately. There are some other challenge phrases like Where do you sleep the first night in the field? And what do they feed you at the resistence base before the evasion course begins? If you want answers to those for your own challenge inventory send me a private message.

AlGrintalis
AlGrintalis 5pts

@JackMurphyRGR@SEAN SPOONTS hated that shit...

AlGrintalis
AlGrintalis 5pts

@SEAN SPOONTS@BrandonWebb well that what they called it .. it was anchovies and rice so salty even an eastern European like me could not eat it with out puking it back up.. that lead to other issues as well..

BrandonWebb
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@AlGrintalis@JackMurphyRGR WAR CRIMINAL 53 reporting...

JackMurphyRGR
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@SEAN SPOONTS@AlGrintalis@BrandonWebb The daily propaganda quota was my favorite part!

SEAN SPOONTS
SEAN SPOONTS 5pts

@AlGrintalis @BrandonWebb WTF? You got chow?

SEAN SPOONTS
SEAN SPOONTS 5pts

@BrandonWebb @JackMurphyRGR I don't recall a flag burning. I remember them trying to get us riled up by tearing up a Bible in the wood shed during one of their propaganda sessions.

AlGrintalis
AlGrintalis 5pts

@ForrestDavis@JackMurphyRGR How could you not cry... that is what i meant by it really helps you understand what you what you are doing and what you believe in..

ForrestDavis
ForrestDavis 5pts

@AlGrintalis@JackMurphyRGR Jack is an exception to the rule, of a class of 80 students all of them cried at the end. If you go you will know why....trust me, its work the loss of hydration

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts

@AlGrintalis@BrandonWebb I think I was War Criminal #57... No he wasn't much of a drinker from what I could tell. He was a 18B like me and really knew his shit. Like I said, nice guy but he was huge!

AlGrintalis
AlGrintalis 5pts

@BrandonWebb I hated when we had to walk on it.. to get chow.. or what was called chow..

AlGrintalis
AlGrintalis 5pts

@BrandonWebb@JackMurphyRGR I always hated when they said that... still make the hair on the back of my neck stand.

AlGrintalis
AlGrintalis 5pts

@JackMurphyRGR I bet he was a hard drinker.. we all are for sure.. well I used to be .. do not drink as much as I did then .. ahh to be young again and do it all again..

AlGrintalis
AlGrintalis 5pts

@BrandonWebb@JackMurphyRGR hey war criminal what are you talking about? Just remember "work harder"

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts

@BrandonWebb It's the liberation ceremoney at the end that gets people. Al, I had a Lithuanian in my SF company. Really nice guy, but not to be fucked with!

BrandonWebb
BrandonWebb moderator 5pts

@JackMurphyRGR maybe the flag burning?

AlGrintalis
AlGrintalis 5pts

@JackMurphyRGR Well being of Lithuanian descent.. I never thought that .. I just had anger issues for a bit.. BTW they played that angle up... took a bit of time for me to learn to keep my mouth shut.. I learned allot in that school.. and had the honor to meet the man that set it up... what I leader he was..

JackMurphyRGR
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@AlGrintalis Communism was starting to sound like a good idea towards the end there-hey, wait!

AlGrintalis
AlGrintalis 5pts

@JackMurphyRGR That is a understatement "SERE is a pretty intense experience." I would say you learn allot about yourself.. and what you really believe in

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts

I didn't cry because I'm emotionally crippled, but SERE is a pretty intense experience.

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