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Home » Black Ops & Intel » Mission of the Month: The Afghan Drug War

Mission of the Month: The Afghan Drug War

by Iassen Donov · November 30, 2012 · Posted In: Black Ops & Intel
Mission of the Month: The Afghan Drug War
I have been meaning to start a monthly series called Mission of the Month, where I interview my good SOF buddies and talk to them about their favorite or most intense objective they have ever been on overseas.

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This month I spoke to my best friend who begged me to use “King Cobra” as his incognito call-sign for this story. I told him I can meet him half way and call him “KC” for this article. KC and myself served together in the 3rd Ranger Battalion and after we both left he went on to the PMC side of the business.

The story he shared with me is of an objective he participated on as a private contractor late last year working in Afghanistan as part of the country’s counter-narcotics efforts.

Mission of the Month: The Afghan Drug War

Date: October 30th, 2011

Place: Tarin Kowt, Oruzgan Province, Southern Afghanistan

Objective: Find and destroy a Taliban operated heroin producing facility

Tarin Kowt, Oruzgan Province, Southern Afghanistan

Tarin Kowt, Oruzgan Province, Southern Afghanistan

It was a day time raid, unique for special operations forces who primarily operate in the dead of night. Four heavily armed MI-17 helicopters traveled in close formation. They carried an assault force that included roughly 40 members from Australia’s Special Operations Task Group, most of which were SASR troops, a U.S. DEA FAST team of 8 special agents, and another 8 members of the Afghan Narcotics Interdiction Unit (NIU).

Their mission was to conduct a direct action raid against a drug producing compound believed to be held by Taliban forces. The assault force was told to expect a hot LZ, also known as a “Cherry LZ.”

The helicopter force was comprised of two helicopters operated by an entire crew of U.S. military contractors, and another two helicopters that were manned by Afghanistan’s new special operations helicopter unit based on our own 160th SOAR. All four helicopters were heavily armed with mounted PKMs, as well as mini-guns and a full crew to spread the hate. KC was one of these crew members.

Not long after the infiltration, the Australian-led assault force began to take small arms fire from the main target compound and nearby hills. But according to KC, it was sporadic and harassing in nature. After silencing the enemy fighters the coalition unit assaulted the main compound and did in fact find a sophisticated chemical lab used to create the materials which in turn creates the heroin from the poppy seeds.

By this time the four helicopters flew to a nearby Forward Operating Base to use as a staging area, as it is not tactically wise to have four helicopters linger over a hostile objective in the middle of the day. The DEA agents destroyed the lab, and, after about an hour on the ground, the assault force called the helicopters in for exfil.

This is what the Taliban were waiting for – the return of the helicopters. According to KC, the moment the helos re-entered the valley they were engaged by a massive volume of small arms fire from previously unknown enemy positions in the surrounding hills who spent the last hour watching the ground force.

When I asked KC about the return fire from the helicopters: “From the time we entered the valley to the moment we landed on the LZ to pick up the guys, every single weapon system was being fired towards the hills.“

The helicopters were on the ground for roughly two minutes as all the personnel began consolidating into the birds under the heavy enemy fire. The enemy fighters were believed to be firing AK-47s, PKMs, and RPGs towards the helos as the men ran up the ramps. “At this point of the exfil and during the overall objective none of the birds were severely damaged nor did we suffer any casualties.”

Moments later, one of the DEA Agents was maybe 10 feet from the back ramp about to load onto the bird when an enemy round struck him in the helmet and penetrated his skull. The severely wounded agent had to be treated and stabilized on the spot before his comrades carried him into the only remaining bird on the ground, which was operated by the Afghan military unit.

SA Piersante on a counter-narcotics operation in Afghanistan

Knowing they spent too much time stationary and were clearly being targeted by the enemy fighters, every single crew member engaged the Taliban until the heavily armed bird was completely dry on ammo.

With the wounded agent safely on board the remaining helicopter sped towards the nearest allied field hospital, located in Tarin Kowt, literally touching down onto the nearest landing zone without asking for the proper clearance.

According to KC, the bravery of the Afghan pilots and crew members who engaged the enemy fighters and their speedy evacuation of the wounded agent are deserving of the highest award. DEA FAST Agent Joe Piersante survived the gunshot wound but is permanently blinded due to the damage.

KC standing in front of his MI-17. Wearing my Rhodesian Vest which he refuses to give back.

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covah
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Article is inaccurate. 2Cdo Reg conduct the missions with DEA. Not SASR

wonderbread
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A documentary titled Australia`s Secret War-Tour of Duty aired a year ago showing actual footage of Australian SF.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVKtTZ-gKVo

 

Here's also a DEA FAST Team video as well.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_1hsgzccyA

 

ArcticWarrior
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 @HugeFan @dmalert  Live is broke for me so to the top. Happy reading

 

http://www.unodc.org/documents/crop-monitoring/Afghanistan/Afghanistan_Cannabis_Survey_2009.pdf

HugeFan
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 @ArcticWarrior  @dmalert Yeah, I gave up on it about an hour ago... Just hunting for what I have missed at the moment.

ArcticWarrior
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 @HugeFan   @dmalert

Being you like to read here is a good one, you can find it on Ebay for cheap and places like scribd. Was published March of 2001

 

 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0300089023/ref=s9_simh_gw_p14_d0_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0BEQN1297YRA4EYQE29C&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1389517282&pf_rd_i=507846

Txazz
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 @ArcticWarrior  @ChupaCabra  @dmalert  @HugeFan rather amazing and frustrating.

dmalert
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 @ChupaCabra  @ArcticWarrior  @HugeFan Generally agree, but the ringmasters are protected by Congress whom they own.  And the morality has gotten worse over time.  As per S&Ls a lot of senior people went to prison, but with tech or mortgages - no one of note.

 

Agree 100% on the Benghazi stuff. 

 

 

dmalert
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 @ArcticWarrior  @HugeFan LOL - well said and I'm not giving anyone a pass rather there's a lot of blame to go around and while a lot should go to those in power a fair amount can be laid elsewhere.  As per Pogo perhaps "we have met the enemy and he is us" holds some relevance here.

 

Look at both tech/mortgage bubbles - driven by greedy people in positions of power, but neither would have gone anywhere without plenty of average people equally greedy to make a quick buck as well.  Maybe our govt i just a reflection of us, but it's not lost on me that over time it's easy to manipulate people into a less moral way of being.

 

My sense is the whole system is so rotten now it will have to collapse before anyone of integrity can start to right it and I wish it weren't that way, but I don't know how one can do anything now.

ArcticWarrior
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 @dmalert  @HugeFan

 Its like prostitution, someone had to ask first....

dmalert
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 @ArcticWarrior  @HugeFan  Large amounts of illicit cash wouldn't exist without  large amounts of people buying illicit things.

 

 

ArcticWarrior
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 @ChupaCabra  @dmalert  @HugeFan

Awile back a guy named Jesus Vicente Zambada-Niebla was popped and started to talk. Everyone form your local Sheriffs on up were scratching there head because he was confirming what the local taco stands and taxi drivers had been saying for years.

 

guys like SA Mike Levine have been saying it for years...its a hustle

 

 

 

 

ArcticWarrior
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 @ChupaCabra  @dmalert  @HugeFan

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT5MY3C86bk

 

 

 

 

ArcticWarrior
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 @dmalert  @HugeFan

 Its not as simple as its a "War" between enforcement and large group overseers of crops and labs. Nobody can run a drug enterprise on any scale without help from banks to handle the large sums of money, that is a FACT, watch the transactions and follow them, it shows you who is really in control. The Shady alliances of certain agencies render any real progress completely useless and a waste of time, people and resources. Its way more then just criminals/terrorists at work. Many times one agency running an op bumps into people involved in another agencies op going completely in the opposite direction.

dmalert
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 @ArcticWarrior  @HugeFan Looks like a good read.  Real solution is maximal participation in commerce fairly around the world.  Root cause of growth of terrorism is poverty.  You always will have nuts, but not many adherents when people have enough.  And it's not our job to do this rather countries have to figure it out for themselves.

 

As per Afghanistan, the fix was growing stable back and forth business where the locals, not multinationals, owned the majority stakes = they have skin in the game.  When locals have skin in the game they won't be too happy about violence that causes them to lose money.  But too late for this now. 

 

Take Egypt - it's all about earning enough, but the MB was able to step into the vacuum.  If the people eject Mursi and one has stable economics the country probably becomes pretty mellow.

Liberty Flyer
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Pretty intersting stuff! We were watching a drug producing compound for the Brits near Sangin over the course of a few months. Basically, the entire villiage would show up to one compound around 5am and start the fires and get to work. After two weeks we saw the pile of finished product go from a few small bundles to two bundles 8 ft wide, 8ft tall and about 30ft long. Every day were were hoping a GAF would go in and catch everyone in the act, but it never happened. Over the course of the next month we were watching cars pull up to this compound, get a few packages of finished product, then follow them to their drops. All of us were hoping that the compound would get blown up one day, but nothing ever happened. Hopefully all that POL was good to someone, maybe even the DEA, though we never knew. Regarding the people of that villiage, this was probably how they supported themselves for the year, so it'd probably really piss them off if we did blow it up. To that I say eff it, they should have found a more honest line of work, especially since I'm sure the local insurgents took their cut to fund operations again coalition forces.

ArcticWarrior
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 @Liberty Flyer

 It become a question of where to bust them. At the farm? On the road? After they pass through the big tunnel? And yes the insurgents probably collected a tariff of 10-30%

Liberty Flyer
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@ArcticWarrior We Always asked if there was a HAF ready to roll on these guys should we get anything, and the answer was always negative. The Brits we were supporting were commandos who we had supported on HAFs before. I guess they just wanted the intel, but it was frustrating nonetheless. Hindsight being 20/20, they should have done something when there were two giant stacks of finished product under canopy. That was probably that year's poppy harvest for the immediate area.

ArcticWarrior
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 @Liberty Flyer  That sounds about right. Was probably Wardaks dope

 

HugeFan
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Look I don't care what kind of BAMF you are but calling yourself "King Cobra"? LMAO, that is some straight up Army shit right there! My cousin (8 years mechanized infantry) had snot bubbles coming out of his nose when I sent him this article. Great write-up Iassen and please thank your buddies for serving and defending our country with the utmost sense of humor!

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dmalert
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 @ChupaCabra LOL - very true

HugeFan
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 @ChupaCabra I'm surprised that you didn't recieve more "likes" for that comment. I wouldn't have singled out just conservatives but that was a scathing point to put it mildly and a good one!

Iassen Donov
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Doesn't matter if the US is winning the drug war or not. These operations are taking revenue away from the Taliban. That's what's important here: the war effort. Even if this one mission took away $50,000 from the Taliban. That's 50k they can't use to buy weapons and bullets to kill US soldiers. They're not doing this to keep you're 17 year old kid from ODing in the bathtub. Frankly nobody gives a shit about that and they shouldn't. Taking it to the Taliban where it hurts, their pockets.

Iassen Donov
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your**..

hard to believe I write. right?

dmalert
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 @Iassen Donov Depends.  If you dent enough of the market the value goes up to the extent there is a glut.  Taliban certainly in years past would stockpile product kind of the way diamond flow is controlled.  So if one decimates supplies (hard to do) then there is still stockpiled product.

HugeFan
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 @dmalert  @Iassen Donov Sandbagging bastards...

dmalert
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 @HugeFan  @Iassen Donov LOL

HugeFan
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 @Iassen Donov Amen bro. Excellent rebuttal but you knew that...

AL1496
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The past few comments have been about how the war on drugs have been a failure. Show some fucking appreciation you guys. The best way to harm the enemy's money source is to hit them at the source. People do buy the drugs world wide, but how are we supposed to stop million of people from buying them? By cutting off the goddamn source. Joe Piersante nearly died for our sake. So fuck all you assholes who say we shouldn't be in Afgahnistan, I don't know about you, but I would hate to see or hear of another 9/11/01- like event.

ArcticWarrior
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 @AL1496

 He hero, go eat a bowl of dick before you go spouting off about people and things you dont know, around this place you dont know who works for who or who does what in the world.

Want to stop drugs at the source? Start with your local banking system

HugeFan
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 @ArcticWarrior  @AL1496 BOOM! Thus spoke the Arctic Warrior... My butt hurts and you didn't even direct that at me! :-)

AL1496
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@ArcticWarrior @AL1496 Sorry if you felt I singled you out, I know and have worked with people like Joe. And you are right, I don't know people who run this, and I suppose I should be more careful not to offend people. My apologies

HugeFan
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 @ArcticWarrior  @AL1496 What sucks most about the rules not being on our side is that... WE WRITE THE FUCKING RULES. Brain hurt?

 

Short-Term Remedy:

 

Four fingers of your favorite poison

A cigar (if in WA or CO roll one, whatever floats your boat)

Two aspirin

Sleep in until 10AM

 

Wash, rinse, repeat as necessary.

 

ArcticWarrior
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 @AL1496  Accepted. I know SA's who do this work and understand what they do and how hard it is. The truth is its a losing game, the rules arent on our side, and our own people are equally to blame.

 

dmalert
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 @ArcticWarrior  @AL1496 What interests me is how easy it is to misdirect attention and  say build consensus for any number of things.  Majority tends not to look more than one millimeter under the surface on any given issue.  As per why, who knows - busy with life, don't care, etc.  However, when you do look a bit under the surface it's often quite sloppy and obvious what people are up to.

JamesDenny
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I know we can't take away the average farmers way of life in Afghanistan but with a govt that is fighting the so called War on Drugs in other countries around the world, I struggle with the way it has been handled in Afhanistan. Not only are they supplying Heroin and Pot to the world, (probably the biggest supplier of Heroin) from what I read te Taliban and insurgents are majorly funded by the drug sales. At what point do we say, either way it has to stop like we have in other countries. Also has there been any real notice in drug abuse any servicemen and women in the theater. I had heard somewhere that there was recently noticed an increase in drug abuse. I'm not saying I agree just wondered if anyone else had heard this statement.

ArcticWarrior
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 @JamesDenny

 The War on Drugs is an EPIC failure, everywhere. All we have done is make the Cartels in Columbia, Mexico and the Tribal Bosses in A'Stan far wealthier. Profit margins are way up. We drove the Taliban to move dope, in 2001 the DEA was singing the praises of the Taliban for there eradication efforts. And dont forget our boys the Karzai's are Popalzai, major movers of product.

StormR
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 @ArcticWarrior  @JamesDenny  AW, I have a question about Mexico's war on drugs.  As you know, I'm in WA and the state just legalized marijuana - as did Colorado.  We're beginning to see newspaper articles that Mexico is considering stopping it's 'drug war'.  How do you think this will play out?

StormR
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 @ArcticWarrior  With bears, the nose is more useful than the eyes for spotting them.   And unfortunately, most people rarely look 'up' when walking - and so miss seeing both bears and mountain lions :)

 

ArcticWarrior
ArcticWarrior 5pts

As Sgt Mack would say "Anytime...."

 

Still remain aware, they can be stealthy and are deceptively quiet.

CJCJ
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 @StormR  @ArcticWarrior 

Storm,

Thanks, I'll pass along your insights as well.

 

AW and Storm,

It seems that things have improved for the moment. Many thanks from our mutual friend and from me for your help.

HugeFan
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 @ArcticWarrior  @StormR  @JamesDenny No doubt pilfered/paid to groups that we are currently attempting to dismantle. I know that cartels and terrorists despise each other but love to do business with one another. I'm looking up Zamora now...

ArcticWarrior
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 @HugeFan  @StormR  @JamesDenny

 HF problem is the DEA only has a small handful of FAST guys, they run into operations funded by other elements, so the rules dont apply to all equally even if we are all on the same team. Info is leaked, decisions made at the top to avoid areas on purpose. Its mind numbing.

 

Im working on some info on a guy named Miguel Beltran Zamora, pay attention to that name, he is working on some bad stuff, with alledgedly some serious firepower.

HugeFan
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 @ArcticWarrior  @StormR  @JamesDenny Yeah it's not like AW knows much about this topic or anything... ;-) Dude, did you see the latest interview with Pena in Borderland Beat? I thought our politicians were ballsy with their bullshit! Check it out:

 

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2012/12/enrique-nieto-pena-new-administration.html

ArcticWarrior
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 @StormR  @CJCJ

 Lol..yeah they are like JYDs and they arent happy this time of year

StormR
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 @CJCJ  @ArcticWarrior   CJ, there is one other option, but it will cost her some money.  If F & G won't come out, have her ask them for the contact information for their contractor who has bear dogs.   Bear dogs are bred and trained for bear encounters & most F & G agencies use them.  The contractor will use flash bangs and the dogs will harass the bear and make the location a very unwelcoming place.  I don't know their fee, but they are extremely effective. 

StormR
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 @CJCJ  @ArcticWarrior I don't know what state she is in - in my state Fish & Game will come out on private, state and federal lands - doesn't matter the jurisdiction.   They will set bear capture traps and try to relocate bear.   Have her continue to make calls  - even to forest rangers - and be insistent.  The bears are looking to build up fat for their sleep.  It's too late in the year for cubs.   Depending on her state, bears may be protected species.  If so, someone MUST come out to deal with it.  Tell her not to try and handle it on their own.  Bears do not go down easy and they are the junk yard dog of the natural world.

ArcticWarrior
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 @CJCJ  They are curious by nature, now that she has left them food they figured it ou,  t she = free meal

If F&G is unavailable have her call on Monday or call local LEO and tell them you have nusaince bear problem and she feels threatened, we had a call that one was at the local library not to long ago, nobody believed it but sure enough one had made it that far. Unfortunately once they know about food Yogi wont leave on his own.

Be hypervigialnt when going outside, try to make them run off banging pots and pans, yelling, etc, if you see 2 there may  even be 3 or 4 that arent seen or havent arrived yet. Do not leave any more food out. Its going to be a tough nut to crack.

Its winter, they are probably hungry and thats always dangerous. Is it a mom and cub or just 2 adults? Tell her be extremely cautious, blackies can charge with no warning. Brownies will gnash the teeth, turn 3/4s, stand up, pound the ground and snort...Blackies just bolt and usually they wont bluff charge if they havent run off.

 

CJCJ
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 @ArcticWarrior Bird feeders are now empty. Berries appear to be stripped from bushes. Trash cans are there but also empty.

CJCJ
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 @ArcticWarrior 

There are 2 full grown blackies between her and the car. They seem more interested in her than anything else - feels she is being stalked and is very troubled by them. Feels she is "bear bait". She intentionally left pizza box and dog food in car to see if they were interested - but they passed it up. She says no Fish and Game available on the isolated uninhabited and overgrown property. Property is an Elk sanctuary and the elk feel safe there but are being hunted nearby. 

ArcticWarrior
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 @CJCJ

 Here the Bull Elk Hunt just started, they will cross a State Hwy to get to the other side, they know when the hunt is on, its unbelievable. If its something like they recently or seasonally visit her land that might be it. But most importantly call Fish and Game first, like today.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s88r_q7oufE

CJCJ
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 @ArcticWarrior She mentioned that she was concerned about the whole Bull and his harem dynamic. Will ask about the bugling. Advice sincerely appreciated and will get this to her ASAP. Will also let you know what else I hear back. Many thanks.

ArcticWarrior
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 @CJCJ

 That could do it, no shit Blackies will tear a car apart to get to food. They are really hard headed and persistant once they find an easy meal, especially with the onset of winter. Best thing is call Fish and Game and give a report. Blackies will tend to run away....to a point. More people are eaten by Blackies then Brownies. With a Brownie its usually a territorial thing, with Blackies its usually a food/prey drive thing.

Tell her remove ALL free food, trash, bird seed,etc as a start. If your talking firearms any deer round will do, 243 and up or an 870, but they usually do run away at loud noise. But unless she knows the law in that State shooting has to be a last resort, I learned that the hard way when a Blackie charged my 4 year old son.

As for the Elk they must feel safe and have a lot of food to be hanging around. The Bulls have probably left the cows so she needs to ID them. Have they been bugling???? Bulls are hard headed and not apt to leave, if you get close they can and will charge. If its the harem cows they are more apt to run away if you make loud noises etc anytime you see them. A 270 can drop an Elk and if your good with the right placement I know guys who have used 243.

 

Again get with Fish and Game FIRST. Use caution and make lots of noise and absolutely do not feed bears, ever, even if its just trash laying around.

ArcticWarrior
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 @CJCJ  Does she have a bird feeder or unsecured trash cans anywhere near the house?

 

CJCJ
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 @ArcticWarrior  @StormR  @JamesDenny 

AW,

We have a friend who needs advice ASAP on how to deal with an elk herd and black bears outside her door. Specifically, she asked about behavior and ammo for dealing with each potential threat. Anything come to mind that I can pass on?

ArcticWarrior
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 @StormR    @JamesDenny The new admin in MX wants to end the war, and for good reason, you have over 50,000 dead in its wake.

There is talk that the Govt behind the scenes will cut a deal, letting things to reset back to the days before the Drug Wars. This in essence means one Cartel Alliance wins out over another and then conducts business on the sly, back in the shadows and the Govt takes a DADT policy with them to preserve the peace. Ex President Fox has already said, on multiple occasions, that they are negotiating with SInaloa. Is this good? Well yes and no. You basically have picked sides and hope you got the right one. The overall "Drug Wars" are a failure because you have created dozens, if not hundreds of Al Capones. The profit margins of running dope worldwide are hundreds of Pct up since the 1970s, and its easier to come by.

If we look at modern history, from 1980 on you had the Columbians with the help of Noriega in Pananama, and Oliver North, securing the routes to smuggle out of Columbia into Panama and then abroad.February 1982 CIA Is Given Green Light to Take Part in Illegal Drug Trade  in A'Stan followed by the CIA's Contra army, fighting the leftist government of Nicaragua, turning to  smuggling cocaine into the U.S., under CIA protection all while Nancy is saying "Just say No". When Noriega was no longer useful we invaded Panama.  The rise of the mega Cartels can be seen with the Ochoa's and Escobar in Medellin. With a public hard on for Escobar we helped facillitate his demise, all the while the looser based Cali Cartel grew in stature, and even put sting "operations" on our own DEA, to include listening to all phone traffic back to the US. With the help of some Israeli's and a laptop, the techies for Cali gamed the system ( the Pepes had as much to do with Escobar going down as Centre Spike but we dont ever talk about that) and started cleaning money. They had so much cash Cali opened there own Bank,First InterAmericas Bank . They cut a deal with some Russians, one of which is Vlad Putin and now started raking HUGE cash. As Escobar went down publically Cali grew exponentially. The MX Cartels saw this as a great opportunity and learned and took it one step further, branching out into all forms of business, Oil, Pharma, Stocks, Banks until Sinaloa under Guzman became a "Super Cartel" and nearly a shadow Govt. With big profits came greed and the Cartel Wars were on. Its a 3 way, Cartels against each other, Cartels against the MX Govt, and unholy alliances are born.

As we have seen by the Columbian kevlar narco subs and "torpedos" the action in Columbia is as good as ever, and now in concert with the Mexican Cartels the tentacles reach to Australia and Europe.

I have seen figures that state before the profit margin reaches the break even point for a certain Cartel 80% of all narcotics would have to be stopped, we stop maybe 10% (sometimes the Govt says 30%), each Narco Sub that reaches the Fast boats turns a 200 million dollar profit,  thats huge profits created by an an artificial market pricing, much like Alcohol Prohibition.

One guy in MX keeps seeing his enemies get knocked off over the last 18 mos, I dont think that is a coincidence. And like Cali in Columbia, his Intel is every bit as good as ours, note to NSA and friends - if you're going to call his cell phone do it right....

 

So after rambling and giving a little history I think a deal is cut in Mexico, a "Super CarteL" is created, relative peace ensues, money flows and the biggest gang of them all takes its cut.

 

Some names Stormy for you to look up if you have time:

 

Gilberto Rodríguez Orejuela

Barry Seal

Jorge Ochoa

Pedro Avilés Pérez

Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán Loera

Zhenli Ye Gon

Mullah Naim Barich

Ahmed Wali Karzai

 

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