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Home » NSWC » The Difference Between DELTA and SEAL TEAM SIX

The Difference Between DELTA and SEAL TEAM SIX

by Iassen Donov · April 6, 2012 · Posted In: NSWC, USASOC
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With the death of Usama bin Laden last year at the hands of some secret squirrel frogmen in Pakistan, there came a nation wide interest as to who killed UBL. “Navy SEALs” was released to the public whether via the White House or the Department of Defense.

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But it was those “subject matter experts” such as Sean Naylor, Jeremy Scahill, etc. who made sure to correct the media that it was actually the SEALs of JSOC, aka DEVGRU or simply SEAL Team 6. I even heard the mention of “Task Force Blue” on CNN. Amazing…

As the days after settled down, the internet/blogging community kept asking the same two questions. The first question from those not in “the know” was simply – “Who is SEAL Team 6??” The second question was by the ones who were in the know as well as the entire US Army Special Operations Command – “WTF the SEALs?? Not Delta?! That’s BS! blah blah.”

To be honest I was one of those asking the second question. The UBL operation and the choice of the unit lead to the topic of “What is the difference between Delta and ST6?” by many individuals out there. 100% of civilians and 99% of the military will tell you there is no difference and that they are identical. For those who served in the JSOC task forces overseas will all tell you that the case is just not so.

Culture

You can tell a lot about a unit by its foundations or its core. Almost 100% of the ST6 shooters came from the SEAL Teams whilst Delta is comprised of personnel from the Ranger Regiment, Special Forces, the conventional Army, as well as even members of other military branches (there have even been ST6 members who have vetted for Delta over the years).

For Delta, the majority come from the 75th and SF; two VERY distinct units with completely different missions and cultures.

On one side you have members who grew up in a unit whose sole purpose in life was to skull stomp terrorists with the utmost violence and on the other side you have a unit whose expertise in Foreign Internal Defense and Unconventional Warfare makes them masters in the art of training, advising, and force multiplying (the way future wars will be fought). Combine these two elements into one, and you have an incredibly versatile unit in your arsenal.

This alone is a major difference between both units.

To give you an example: In the 1980s when the U.S. was heavily involved with the war in El Salvador; our government sent in Special Forces ODAs to help organize and train their conventional military. In that same time frame, we also deployed teams from Delta to organize and train the El Salvadorian Counter-Terrorist units. It’s the strong SF backgrounds by many of Delta’s operators that made that operation possible.

Although the SEALs have been tasked with some FID over the years; none of them really prefer to do it (just ask Brandon) and they don’t do it on the same proficiency as Army SF. I personally think ST6 is a little more one-sided then Delta because the incredibly majority of its members all grew up on the Teams doing the same missions and undertaking the same training.

Just as SF and the Rangers are vastly different from each other, so are the SEALs from both those units as well. Culturally, Delta’s composition naturally leads it to be its own distinct unit completely separate from others. And on that same side; ST6 because of its composition and culture will always be “another SEAL team” with different capabilities and responsibilities, regardless of its other fancy name: DEVGRU.

Training and Selection

One major difference between both units is the way they select their members. In my opinion it’s apples and oranges.

Delta’s selection process is very simple: Twice a year the unit holds the one-month selection course somewhere in the Appalachian mountains. The course attracts over a hundred candidates primarily from the Ranger and SF communities, but from other components as well.

The Rangers and SF soldiers who attend are already some battle hardened seasoned shooters who have attended numerous grueling selection and training courses previously. And yet the failure rate is still over 90%. Even just finishing the course is not enough as there is a commander’s review board/interview at the end that determines if this person should be accepted into the unit.

If the candidate is accepted, he attends the 6-month Operator Training Course (OTC) which still manages to wash people out who can’t keep up with stressful training curriculum – I understand 60-70% pass. If you want to get into the specifics on selection and OTC, you can read plenty of books including Inside Delta Force, Kill bin Laden, and The Mission, The Men, and Me.

ST6s selection process is very interesting in my opinion. It’s comprised of two parts: the Review and Green Team. The Review portion consists of the SEAL submitting his application for entrance to Team 6. After which his name, team designation, and picture is posted on a wall in a corridor at Dam Neck and it is up to the individual ST6 members to give that candidate a check sign or a minus sign to signify if he should be allowed to undertake the selection process.

If the SEAL is accepted, he attends the 6-month long ”Green Team”. Green Team is very similar to Delta’s OTC and is held once a year. 50% do not complete the course. At the end of Green Team; the graduates are part of a draft process which is held by different representatives from the squadrons. Because ST6 are almost all SEALs – many of the Green Teamers and the ST6 members know each other from past assignments or training. It’s in this process that the graduates get “drafted” into their respective squadrons.

NOTE: I mention that “almost” all members of ST6 are SEALs and not “all” because ST6 is rumored to be open to members of the Marines as well as long as they attend BUD/s (they don’t need to attend SQT). I don’t have any concrete information if any are on the team.

Operational Capabilities

Both units operate in the same spectrum of special operations; counter terrorism, hostage rescue, direct action, and counter-proliferation. Most of the time they can be interchangeable with one another. Both units have been widely known to conduct exchange programs with one another.

The team that I worked with in Iraq had a ST6 sniper attached to them. He defended an Iraqi police station from being overrun by insurgents during the Battle of Mosul in 2004 from a hotel rooftop. To answer your question, yes, he was a bad ass. In a place like Iraq where most of the combat was conducted in urban and close quarters environments, you really can’t tell the difference between a Delta operation verses a ST6 operation.

Afghanistan has shown to be a different case. Many times during an assault against an objective in the rugged mountains of Afghanistan a simple clandestine HVT snatch and grab operation can turn into a major ambush. When this happens, the operation just turned conventional.

There is no “special” way to react to an ambush or contact that is taught only to SOF units and kept hidden from other units. React to ambush is a basic infantry battle drill, and when shit hits the fan you better believe a Delta operator will be doing the same thing an 11-Bravo private from the 101st is doing  on an Afghan objective somewhere else. Here is where some of the “cultural” differences play a major part in how both units operate.

The vast majority of Delta are infantrymen by MOS or were infantrymen at some point in their careers. SEALs are not or never were infantrymen nor have they spent time training as infantrymen; they are a maritime special operations force that focuses on direct action and special reconnaissance.

My time in Afghanistan in 2005 was wrought with boredom and non-existent combat, so I have never been on an Afghan objective with ST6 (I got my feet wet in Iraq with Delta).

To put it best; my good friend, a squad leader with the Rangers, who has hit countless objectives side by side with ST6 expresses that the unit is incapable of making the switch from “operators” to “basic infantry grunts” when the need to do so arises. It’s not a fault of the unit but simply a by-product of where the shooters were “raised.”

As this became an issue, especially with the resurgence of the Taliban in mass (circa 2008), JSOC commanders created a very symbiotic relationship between ST6 and the Rangers. The two units complimented each other and have had a very close relationship in Afghanistan ever since.

Hope this paints a non-classified picture of the fundamental differences between AFO Neptune and AFO Wolfpack. See what I did there?

Also check out this Facebook page: It includes the fallen Delta and ST6 as well as other members of the community over the years.

One team, one fight – tombstones don’t have unit designations.

Check out Iassen’s latest update on the three Special Operations soldiers killed in Mali as well.

 

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Halfbreed
Halfbreed 5pts

Bought the two ebooks by Chris Martin on delta and st6 a while back but this article explained the difference between the two units a lot better. I understand Martins ebook was a look at the history of both units and did that well but I guess Donov, having "laced em up", gave a better perspective.

@AIMSP maybe the forum could help me out and AIMSP .“Officers only got one shot at BUD/S”

Excerpt From: Marcus Luttrell & Patrick Robinson. “Lone Survivor.” Little, Brown and Company, 2007-06-12. iBooks. Is that correct? It might help AIMSP down the line, if he wants to go in as officer of not. .

kurth70
kurth70 5pts

SFOD recruits from the entire Army, from any MOS. There are cooks, mechanics, engineers etc. who have all made it through. Sure the bulk is either guys from Regiment or SF but if you can make it, MOS doesnt matter. Recruiting for Operators and recruiting for support personnel are different and so are the physical requirements, however, all psychological, personality and mental tests are all the same. The support side has some pretty badass guys as well, just a different mission. They are not door kickers and are not trained extensively in CQB, but they are trained and familiarized with almost everything that they could run into. It (SFOD) is a well oiled machine that is mission first, no matteer how bad it gets and no matter who shit rolls down hill to. Devgrp does not have anything near the versatility of SFOD.

deadhorse
deadhorse 5pts

@kurth70 "Bulk" doesn't even describe the ratio. My active duty time comes on the Log side, of which almost all of it was in Aviation. As you said, the initiation in to the pipeline is the same for everyone (medical/packet/tests/recommendations) but after that, not so much so. I was in the fall class in '99 and out of 100+ folks that attended, 80% were SF, 15% were Rangers, 4.99% Infantry and me, one pogue. lol There were only three of us selected from III Corps to attend that class and the other two were Infantryman. SFOD intentionally looks for diversified backgrounds(mine were MI/foreign languages/logistics) and to me, that is the biggest difference between ST6 and SFOD.

SEAL76
SEAL76 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@kurth70 You are way off base. Bothe CAG and DEVGRU are top notch Tier 1 units. DEVGRU has support personnel who go into the field with the operators. EOD, AF CCT, Dog Handlers etc. All must qualify to an operational standard that allow them to accompany DEVGRU on ops without being a liability. This whole discussion is really about who likes what unit more. It ios not really about what unit is better. Neither is better than the other. They are both the best of the best. I'd be honored to serve with either unit.

kurth70
kurth70 5pts

@SEAL76 @kurth70 Never meant to imply that that DEVGRU was not a top Tier 1 unit. I also know that both have their own support packages that go with them everywhere. However, my emphasis was on the versatility not who is better. Though DEVGRU has a similar support package when it comes to jobs and requirements, I can tell you they do not match the size or depth of SFOD. They each funtion at as high a level as the other, just different missions. Bioth top notch, both worthy of respect. No disrepect intended.

SEAL76
SEAL76 5pts

@kurth70 @SEAL76 I would bet that both units have access to ISA and use them frequently. ISA is open to all branches of the armed forces. As for different missions DEVGRU does have a maritime capability but the operations run by both DEVGRU and CAG over the course of the last ten years were almost identical. You would be hard pressed to differentiate an op run by either

Elric
Elric 5pts

Just a couple of questions.  My cavalry squadron provided occasional support (secure movement, outer cordons, etc...) for a special mission unit operating in the western Euphrates valley in the summer of '05.  Just wondering how the select support personnel such as intel and log guys (heard it was a different selection) and other special skills like AF Special Weather guys.  I was always curious but it seemed unprofessional to ask under the circumstances.  Hell, I still only know their LNO's first name even though he rolled with me in my Stryker for about four months.

HCOREUSMC
HCOREUSMC 5pts

 They again make sure to pick the toughest,strongest,most experience,smartest,and hardened soldiers from the Rangers and Green Berets then put them through another greulling trainging course and once that is passed they acheive the goal of 1st SFOD-Delta. But over the course of all this training they have become brutal, hardened warriors. SEALS on the other hand begin as Sailors with no formal Combat training they then move on to selection and then trainging which includes buds and many other very difficult rights of passage. Then they graduate as SEALS. But Seals do not go through near the amount of trainging Delta operators due and aren't indoctrined with the same insane agrression that Delta force operators are. Sure they are tough guys but not as tough as Delta.

SEAL76
SEAL76 5pts

@HCOREUSMC  Sounds like mine is bigger than yours all over again. As a matter of fact DELTA also recruits from the National Guard and Army reserve. I have a friend who was NJARNG with no combat experience. He was a Captain in track unit. He was invited to try out for DELTA. I was a Navy SEAL in Vietnam. I may have started out as a sailor but came out of BUD/S and SBI a trained operator as did all of us. Our record in Vietnam speaks for itself. No base that was manned by USN SEALs was ever over run. No SEAL was ever an MIA or POW. No SEAL has ever been left behind in a combat zone. DELTA and ST6 are pretty much evenly matched. SEALs do have the Maritime Operations capability advantage.

HCOREUSMC
HCOREUSMC 5pts

@SEAL76 @HCOREUSMC  I have immense Respect for what you and all other SEALS like you have done for the United States and its interests please do not take nay offense from what I said I mean none. You are all true warriors and that is a fact that cannot be disputed. I was just sharing MY opinions.

SEAL76
SEAL76 5pts

@HCOREUSMC @SEAL76 MARSOC is the "new" Marine Corps Special Ops unit. I believe Tier 1 refers to funding. Operationally I am not sure how or what they are doing.

HCOREUSMC
HCOREUSMC 5pts

@SEAL76 @HCOREUSMC do you know if the Marines have a tier 1 unit or anything similar, I know about recon and raiders but im talkin bonafied tier 1.

SEAL76
SEAL76 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@HCOREUSMC @SEAL76 Thanks for sharing. All of our Spec Ops units are top notch. each has their strengths and weaknesses. They all have difficult selection and training courses and in every case most of the candidates wash out completing these courses. DELTA and DEVGRU are the best at what they do. MARSOC has also made a great deal of progress since its inception.

HCOREUSMC
HCOREUSMC 5pts

The great thing about 1st SFOD-Delta force is that they are selected from the best of the best of the best. Delta operators usually start off as infantryman (11B) Then the best, strongest, toughest, and hardest guys from there are sent to Ranger school or Special Forces Selection and Training ( Green Berets). In each respective school they are taught to be true warriors, they are taught a skull stomping agression, to be cunning on the battlefield and to operate exceptionally in combat. Both Ranger school and Green Beret Training are extremely intensive and difficult training course were only the strongest and smartest make it. Then From the best and most experienced of each of those units Delta takes their pick.  

gijoerossi
gijoerossi 5pts

Just a couple things.  First off......it's OBL not UBL thank you!    Second there was army on that mission (neptune spear) not the SEALS.  I know this bcs I was there.  There's you some answers to help you out.  Little opsec breach but I'm sick of all the b.s.  And yes CAG has more maritime capability.  They have the same toys and stopping power as devgru but do it in smaller teams.  What takes devgru 8 members to do cag does with 2 or less.  Stop arguing they are both great teams that help our country out.  That is all that matters and all you "need" to know.

SEAL76
SEAL76 5pts

 @gijoerossi DEVGRU used UBL bin Laden. The army personnel were 160th SOAR and the Rangers waiting as a QRF. Your info is faulty if not downright BS. CAG is a fantastic unit but they did not get UBL.

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

@SEAL76  I'm banking on downright BS brother!

SEAL76
SEAL76 5pts

@JackMurphyRGR @SEAL76 Thanks. No one should really know who got the son of a bitch but the administration can't keep quiet.


LaRoux
LaRoux 5pts

 @gijoerossi And I agree there were Army personnel there- 160th SOAR

LaRoux
LaRoux 5pts

 @gijoerossi No its UBL. You would know that if you were there lol

sahaldelta
sahaldelta 5pts

Does anyone here know if Delta has maritime capabilities? We already know that ST6 has over water and land capabilities, so does Delta have the same? Or is their sole focus on land operations? Thank you

abnrgrbps
abnrgrbps 5pts

@sahaldelta they have 'brown water' capabilities meaning they do go to scuba school and have some maritime training... when it comes to 'blue water' ops infil/exfil from subs into ports etc. that's seals and devgru AO

sahaldelta
sahaldelta 5pts

 @abnrgrbps  @sahaldelta thanks

dennis martin
dennis martin 5pts

Did anyone out there Grad from the Recondo Course at Fort Lewis in the late 70's or early 80's. Stormin Norman was the Brigade Commander who ran it. I just found my certificate with his name on it. @1981, all i remember was the lrrp rations. pretty neat.

JAFO75
JAFO75 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

The question was brought up to me the night the operation occurred. If DELTA is so good, why did they use the SEALS. I served with 1/75th and worked with 1st SFOD-D numerous times, as well as SEALS, and will admit I was "WTF SEALS". My answer was" They didn't want him back alive, thats why. If you want something dead, send the SEALS. If you want it back alive, send DELTA". It was brought up last night at a party about the differnce between specialty units and , "I read SEALS are the best unit in the world" Since there was no ST6 when I was in, here comes the Google search and this forum. I wil agree with the comment about SEALS reaction when a mission goes to crap. They did tend to go into "Oh Sh-t" mode. Same token, I almost drowned when my quick release didn't work. I went into that "Oh Sh-t" mode. SEAL swam over and cut my harness. I'll probably never know the full answer until judgement day. Just going to have to maintain the same thought, same as describe about Rangers and SF. 1st SFOD-D is the premier surgical instrument. SEALS are the premier neutralizer. By far, no disrespect to SEALS. They are some Bad -SSes and far better trained than I ever was. Glad to hear they are working closely with Regiment again. Always enjoyed them, freaking crazy people, especially during down time.

 

AIMSP
AIMSP 5pts

Pardon this civilian puke for asking, but I heard somewhere on these site comment boards that DEVGRU members consider Delta to be more elite, and aspire to be like them. Could someone explain the deal with that? If this were true, why would this be the case?

 

I apologize if my ignorance on this matter is offensive. I truly respect and have the deepest gratitude for all the men and women in uniform.

jct95
jct95 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

@AIMSP The notion that DEVGRU operators view CAG as a career advance is a fallacy. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't know how the author came to assume that - nearly every Operator (something that should refer to only Operators, not Rangers or Vanilla Frogmen) has talked highly of their counterparts in the Navy/Army.

SEAL76
SEAL76 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @jct95  @AIMSP Are you saying that non DEVGRU SEALs are not operators. Back in the during my time in SEAL TEAM ONE any SEAL with a combat tour that did his job well was considered an operator. So now only DEVGRU counts? Bullshit. All Team Guys with a combat tour and the respect of his team mates is an operator.

SEAL76
SEAL76 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @jct95  @SEAL76  @AIMSP Since there were no other SEAL TEAMS in 1970-1973 but ONE and TWO and no DELTA/CAG I would say that combat veterans of either SEAL ONE or SEAL TWO using the term operator was dead on and rightfully ours. Without the original SEALs and the expertise and performance they displayed in Vietnam there would not be a DEVGRU.

jct95
jct95 5pts

@SEAL76 @AIMSP Maybe there's a misunderstanding between us. Im not disrespecting any Team guy nor would I - for me to do that would be fucking insane. Its just a term clarification. From what I understand and have been told, The term Operator originated from within Delta in the early days. DEVGRU soon adopted the term shortly thereafter. When DEVGRU SEALs returned to the regular Teams they would refer to SEALs not as shooters but as Operators...hence SEAL Operator (SO). The men that I've spoken to, have insisted that the term Operator has been waaaay overused and that it should be restricted to a select few. It's not a slight on anyone's part. They just believe it's creation and use were specifically for SMU's (due to the fact that they couldn't legally use the term Operative).

SEAL76
SEAL76 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @AIMSP Not a chance. Both are equally skilled in all areas. I would say that DEVGRU has a slight edge because they have the overwater capabilities. Some would say that DELTA can integrate better with regular Army or other Army SOF units because of their infantry background.

mintyman
mintyman 5pts

@SEAL76 @AIMSP UK SAS is the best. AUS SAS PROB #2. IN THE 90'S I HEARD IT WAS MANDATORY FOR SAS to stay in the desert for 3 days with 1 flask of water each man. If the seals can do that ill then and only then change my mind.

SEAL76
SEAL76 5pts

 @mintyman  @SEAL76  @AIMSP What does that prove even if it is true?

RVN SF VET
RVN SF VET 5pts

@mintyman WHO CARES?

AIMSP
AIMSP 5pts

 @SEAL76  @jct95  @JackMurphyRGR Thanks everybody, for the responses. I truly appreciate it. I apologize if I came off as ignorant.  I have the utmost gratitude for anyone that serves.

 

If I may ask, what is a vanilla Frogman. I realize Frogmen are SEALs, but vanilla? Does it mean they do less covert ops. How does one become vanilla or un-vanilla. 

 

Also, I ask because I always would be honored to serve as a SEAL, and am training to be one. I know it is very hard work, and you have to want it bad, real bad. Right now, I am in college studying electrical engineering. I always wanted to serve in the military, and even got accepted to The Citadel, Norwich, and VMI, but had to stay at home to help my family.

I plan to enlist, with a degree, after college, to hopefully become a SEAL. My question is, what do Navy SEAL officers do, once you reach O-4, and above. Do they just stay in the Teams. I ask, because I was always under the impression that Army SOF officers, move on to command non SOF combat units, which is something I would be honored to do.

 

I know I typed alot, sorry. 

 

Thanks so much, in advance!!

AIMSP
AIMSP 5pts

 @dennis martin  @AIMSP  @SEAL76  @jct95  @JackMurphyRGR Thanks for the sound advice, Dennis Martin. Happy New Year's!

dennis martin
dennis martin 5pts

 @AIMSP  @SEAL76  @jct95  @JackMurphyRGR

 Dude, its not one day at a time, it's one task at a time, do your best and ensure you know what the man on your left and right are doing. Time will pass and if your good enough you will make it. any military school is like child birth, it's not over until the baby cries. and it sucks, learn to shut it off. dont quit and remember, the man next to you is just as tired as you are. Mask it, thats the peer eval, your RI or lane instructors are doing there job to press you. Focus on the Task, they are not there. Ignore them, there watching for that. to see if you worry about them. your not doing the task, you'll be okay,oh. Never Quit. Thats the other key to making it.

AIMSP
AIMSP 5pts

 @Recon6  @Tango9  @SEAL76  @jct95  Thank Recon6, I really appreciate your concern and input. And yea, I am determined to get my degree first, and would have something to fall back on, as engineering, especially electrical eng. is a field where even people who are maimed/disabled can find great employment in, as long as theyre willing to work. But even in my civilian career pursuits, just like my military aspirations, do I have goals of leaving the world a better.

 

For example, one of the many things I would like to do as an engineer down the road, is design neural prosthetics, especially to a point where it is widely affordable enough even the lowest private to afford after losing both arms in an IED attack, even with the crappy VA hospital infrastructure (no disrespect whatsoever to the VA, just trying to demonstrate that I want to make it as widely available as getting an aspirin, for instance.)

 

 

If I may ask,  do you know at what rank do SF and SEAL officers stop seeing combat, because I hear SF officers are only lucky to see atleast 2 years before going desk jockey, and SEALs have 4-5 years. If I am correct, do these time frames include their officer trainings for respective units. This is why I mention my desire to go enlisted. 

 

Sorry for all the typing, Im still in the process of introducing myself, and trying myself as someone is serious about wanting to serve with this country's elite, as opposed to being some 27  year adult and living at home, bagging groceries, and just playing videogames. I have taken honors and AP classes in high school, played many sports and did many clubs, volunteered, have interesting hobbies (music, camping, as opposed to videogames and tv),excelled at my jobs, etc. 

 

Thanks everybody for answering my questions and the input!! I feel really welcomed at this awesome site.

 

 

Recon6
Recon6 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @AIMSP  @Tango9  @SEAL76  @jct95   AIM, this is None of my concern, however, damn, get your degree first, become an O, Then go SOF, period!!  Don't look so far down the road, your journey is going to be one step at a time, as you will have chosen one Difficult course for sure.

We are constantly being sucked in 'conflict' world wide so your desire to be in the trenches will probably occur.  It will be much better "Leading" from those trenches than being Led.

That being said, everyone here will wish you well and hope you keep us updated on your progress.  Things Always go 'sideways' and at least you would have

your degree to fall back on, just sayin....6

AIMSP
AIMSP 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @Tango9    @SEAL76  @jct95  Thanks everyone for the info. I truly appreciate it. The reason I would see myself enlisting with a degree is because, I would like to have the enlisted experience, and would like to be in the 'trenches' for as long as time permits, as opposed to pushing paper or being behind a desk. I have my whole life to do that, and would like to do that in an engineering capacity rather than a military.

 

The reason I ask about O-4 is that I just want to know how the Navy SEALs utilize them. You are completely right about taking it one step at a time. Rest assured, Im not some fat body who just plays videogames and watches videos. I am very active in the community, and in many extra curricular. I know I have to earn the Trident and not just expect it.

 

Thank you guys for taking the time to answer my questions, especially considering how much I asked. I appreciate you taking the time for that. Thanks!!

 

Just of out of curioisty, how would it even be possible for a DEVGRU member to see CAG/Delta as a career advancement. AFAIK, you have to be in the army to be in CAG, and I cant envision SEALs being in the teams for that long of time, just to leave and enlist in the army. Correct me if I am wrong.

 

Thanks again!

SEAL76
SEAL76 5pts

 @AIMSP  @jct95  @JackMurphyRGR Non DEVGRU SEALs are vanilla. I can say without a doubt that there are non DEVGRU SEALs who are better operators and simply choose not to go that path.

 

Tango9
Tango9 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @AIMSP  @SEAL76  @jct95  @JackMurphyRGR It's not bad to plan ahead, but if you want to be a SEAL or any other SF, then start thinking small.  You don't even want to think about O-4 at this point, you want to think about making it through day 1.  And if you're enlisting? with a degree?  why?  go to OTS/OCS.  I mean it's not bad to enlist (plenty of us around here) but if you can get a commission then do so. 

Tango9
Tango9 5pts

 @AIMSP  @SEAL76  @jct95  @JackMurphyRGR In general, the team guys not part of DEVGRU are considered 'vanilla' or 'white" teams.  Definitely not a term that should be thought of as a bad thing.  Just is what it is.

RVN SF VET
RVN SF VET 5pts

 @AIMSP This doesn't pass the silly test. How could you write such a question?

AIMSP
AIMSP 5pts

 @RVN SF VET  I honestly know this sounds really really stupid, and I apologize for coming off as obnoxiously dumb, but I honestly read a comment by a member here, who provided two links. This comment was later reinforced by a mod here. 

 

Im not trying to imply that one is better than the other. I am simply asking what the deal with that was......I keep trying to find the link.

jct95
jct95 5pts

I know this is old and everything, but I had shown this article to a former operator (something that should pertain to SMU's only) and he laughed it off. Just my .02 cents.

bogman2121
bogman2121 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @jct95 I've also shown this to a former operator and if we're all very lucky he may write a few sentences for the site that give his opinion of the differences between these two highly capable units.

USNSsquid
USNSsquid 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Soooo which selection process is harder to make, DEVGRU or Delta? I know my question was probably answered somewhere in the article or comments but after 300 of the 3543245236 comments my head was going to explode!

jt73
jt73 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@USNSsquid- Ha! Good luck getting an unbiased answer to that question.

SEAL76
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Leaks in the administration are the responsibility of the man in charge. I guess that is Obama. It is his job to find out who they are and fire them. However he probably won't fire himself.

Tango9
Tango9 5pts

 @SEAL76 that made me laugh!

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