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Home » Special Operations » A Look At Spec Ops & Basic Sniper Training

A Look At Spec Ops & Basic Sniper Training

by Brandon Webb · May 14, 2012 · Posted In: Special Operations
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I had a great talk with Buck Sexton of GBTV’s (Glenn Beck TV) show, The Blaze, about modern snipers the other day. I always enjoy going on The Blaze because they’re read up on the issues and this is not always the case with other interviewers. You can read the full sniper story here.

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Buck and I are planning on putting some rounds down range later this summer as part of an interactive sniper interview. The interview will showcase sniper capabilities and put him through a sniper familiarization course to give him an idea of what’s expected of today’s modern sniper.  Stay tuned, it should be good stuff.

While inter-service rivalry can be a good thing (healthy competition drives innovation) I do want to describe some of the differences in the U.S. sniper programs. This is a high level 50,000 feet AGL look so ease back on the throttle if you’re expecting me to dive into course learning objectives, and minute of angle (MOA) discussions.

Here we go…

The USMC sniper course has always been a solid course of instruction. The other thing to point out is that it’s somewhat of a selection course and a badge of honor to earn the USMC SS qual. The Marine Corps produce some of the finest riflemen/riflewomen in the World, these are hard shooting individuals that show up to the USMC course. This matters greatly in the training of a sniper. Showing up on the door step of any sniper course and having the fundamentals of marksmanship down pat is HUGE and a big advantage the Marines have over courses, especially the basic Army sniper course (now 8 weeks in length).

Army Courses
The two Army courses are basic sniper (recently increased to 8 weeks) and the Special Operations Target Interdiction Course or what is commonly known as SOTIC.

Photo: Author, Brandon Webb (Private collection), with Barrett MRAD-Private Range in CA

Photo: Author, Brandon Webb (Private collection), with Barrett MRAD-Private Range in CA.

The Army’s Basic sniper course, from what I understand, is a grab bag of candidates (SF, Ranger, and basic infantry,etc.), some have good marksmanship fundamentals, some don’t (this is where the problem develops). From what my teammates tell me, the course dives right into scoped weapons and doesn’t spend a whole lot of time on ballistics (internal-external-and terminal ballistics). It’s good to hear from Jack (below) that the course has improved.

“They went through a lot of changes back in like 2007 to really modernize it then they expanded in to 8 weeks just recently.” -Jack Murphy (Ranger/SF/Sniper)

We used to send qualified SEAL snipers through this course until they complained that there was not much to learn, not the case with the SOTIC course, it had an excellent reputation as a true sniper’s course..

SOTIC is focused on supporting the Army’s Special Forces and a much more in depth course and I suspect (based on reports from fellow SEALs) that these candidates are more mature and have a solid foundation in basic marksmanship. I’ve never personally attended this course but a SEAL sniper classmate of mine was an Army Ranger (yes we let other services in our course sometime), SGT St. John. St. John was a hard shooting dude and took top honors in the old SEAL sniper course (we’ve made significant changes to this since) and earned it. He was the hardest gun in the class hands down. I should mention that this was his fourth sniper course, the guy was an animal and had been through USMC, Army basic sniper and SOTIC before showing up to ours. He was my primary input for understanding the differences in the Army’s courses and ultimately went on to become quite an accomplished member of the Army Marksmanship Unit (AMU). The AMU are the best match shooters in the world and sometime there’s a sniper in the bunch….

SEAL Snipers in Afghanistan (Author's private collection)

Photo: SEAL Snipers in Afghanistan (Author’s private collection)

The Naval Special Warfare or SEAL sniper course is just over three months in length and has been significantly re-vamped in the past decade. I personally believe it is one of the top courses in the world based on the comprehensive curriculum, focus on ballistics, technology integration, available funding and a focus on breaking out and testing the individual shooter (away from the traditional shooter spotter pair) to just name a few reasons. It’s not that I think SEALs are better than USMC or Army SOF, it just comes down to length of curriculum, quality of training, and funding. It’s one of (or perhaps the longest) longest basic sniper course in the world. We also get into heavy mental management and other areas of training that I will not mention because of OPSEC.

When I was the Course Manager I would field calls from other branches including foreign SOF that were either complimentary in nature (how are you guys training) or they would ask to send guys to our program.

I was speaking with Chris Kyle a few weeks back he reminded me of a call I fielded (bonus story here) from a Special Boat Unit guy (now called the Special Boat Teams or SBT) asking what the pre-req’s were for SEAL sniper, I said, “BUD/S” and hung up the phone. Chris said he remembered that to this day and it cracked him up, it also brought a smile to my face when he reminded me of it.

Getting phone calls from Iraq, and elsewhere from the Army, USMC, Danish, Germans, and Norwegians (to name a few) was proof that we were doing a good job producing some of the finest snipers on the battlefield. These calls and our guys kill ratio overseas is what would put a smile on my face and make the 90-hour work 7-day work week’s all worth it.

What One Thing Makes a Professional Sniper?
Great shooting, patience and intelligence aside; having a sound comprehension of ballistics and how all factors affect bullet flight, from the moment the firing pin strikes, is what separates the professional sniper from the aspiring one.

Closing thoughts
US SOCOM is about One Team and One Fight. It’s what SOFREP is all about. All of us SOF brothers are cut from the same cloth. How we were nudged into different directions in life and migrated to one selection course or another was left up to fate.

Some of the best operators I’ve met have been USMC, Army and let’s not forget AFSOC (more than a few Combat Controllers have saved my ass on the radio). And let’s not forget the basic unknown grunt rifleman (guys like Dakota) who lay it all on the line to save his brothers in a hail of gun fire.

One Team-One Fight.

Brandon Webb, Author of New York Times Best Seller, The Red Circle.

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Brandon Webb

Brandon Webb is a former U.S. Navy SEAL with combat deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, and elsewhere in the Middle East. His last tour in the SEAL Teams was as the Course Manager for the US Navy SEAL Sniper program, arguably one of the most difficult sniper courses in the world. He was formerly a contributing editor for Military.com, and currently the Editor-in-Chief of SOFREP.com. Brandon is regularly featured in the media as a subject matter expert on military affairs. An avid writer, his last two books (The Red Circle, & Benghazi: The Definitive Report) both hit the New York Times best seller list, and his writing has been featured in print, and digital media worldwide. You can follow him on Twitter @BrandontWebb

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DUDE!!!    WHATINTHEFUCKINSMALLWORLD is going on here??   I was just up there with some Navy, Marine and La Mesa PD buddies.     Some ST5 guys were there at the end of that landing strip so I couldnt bust out the .338 LPM. 

Another older dude from "THE TEAMS" showed up with  a truck full of Scars all decked out with NF scopes he brought for "T&E".       I need to get out there again but I have to pimp out the dude with the combo to that gate and he keeps on dragging his feet.    Fucked up a couple of sedans on the way up and down that fuckin hill too.     BIG TITS BRANDON!! If I see you out there I will give you a shout. 

 

CFG300
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Brandon - Great article. Just wanted to let you know that it's not called SOTIC anymore.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eaivArbnZE

FormerSFMedic
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@CFG300 - That's a great video post! It's very informative and talks a little about the change in curriculum. The guy speaking in the video is MSG Gianelli, the NCOIC of SFSC and one of the best Sniper instuctors in the business.

HugeFan
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@FormerSFMedic Watching that video gave me a better idea of the 'technology integration' that Brandon describes in The Red Circle. Thank you for posting that CFG300!

sully78
sully78 5pts

Funny story (at least to me) St. John, at the time SGT St. John had just returned from a sniper course, possibly the one mentioned above and was on CQ. I was a private heading out with the other privates to go see The Sixth Sense. St. John stops us and asks us where we are going. We tell him to see Sixth Sense, He says "good movie, he's dead the whole time, have fun" and walks away. Great dude, I still see him around every once in a while.

Ben K
Ben K 5pts

Some interesting stuff you've got going on here with the sniper articles, Brandon.

 

I happened to be wandering around the Potential Royal Marine Course forum and it seems that the sniper mystique is alive and well on both sides of the Atlantic.  Before someone decided to stop crushing the dreams of the younglings, the standard response to all things sniper related was "get the golden Dragunov in Call of Duty" (Full disclosure: I happen to enjoy the occasional game of CoD and I can't condone people taking potshots at it all the time.  We gamers are people too!)

 

Apparently they've also adopted "diamonds in a goat's ass" and "it pays to be a winner" into their lexicon.  No idea from where.

FormerSFMedic
FormerSFMedic 5pts

Brandon, great write up! Something I like to do is study the progression of our military from before 9/11 to present. This helps increase my knowledge on fundamental mindset, weapons manipulation, marksmanship, and tactics and increases my ability to teach others. One thing that my research has shown is that the Military Sniper has progressed and adapted more than any other ground combat role.

Connor31
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I thought one of the prerequisites for the Army Sniper School is to qualify with the M4 at the "Expert" level in the past six months and at the preceding qualification. Does that not count as good marksmanship fundamentals?

Tango9
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 @Connor. That is one of the quals.  Who said it didn't count?

FormerSFMedic
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@Tango9 @Connor. -Its not that it doesn't count, it just doesn't really prove you're a highly skilled marksman. It does show that you have the proficiency to become a good marksman though. I've spoken with a number of trainers who all agree with me that the Army quals are not what they could/should be. A Sniper needs to be consistent at placing his shots on a specific location. The Army quals only require you to hit the target (or the dirt in front of it). So, in essence, the Army quals only require you to be "good enough".

Tango9
Tango9 5pts

 @Canopylight  @FormerSFMedic I cheated and just googled the Benning basic quals.

Canopylight
Canopylight 5pts

 @FormerSFMedic  @Tango9 As to oppose the SOTIC route, which requires I believe the candidate to make 3 groups of 5 within a quarter or some such thing.

MikeIhatefibs
MikeIhatefibs 5pts

SEALs kill ratio probably inflated to huge numbers after Ramadi...

CJCJ
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SCAR 17s in the above photo? Might I suggest the SCAR 17 as a future Loadout Room subject...

Tango9
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 @CJCJ The SCAR is kind of being ping-ponged over in this thread:  http://loadoutroom.com/2278/the-slow-death-of-an-american-legend-colt-and-sw-comeback-i-say-not-quite/

 

dive in!

BravoOne
BravoOne 5pts

 @Tango9 I'm getting around to it soon for loadoutroom, promise.  I'm sooo f'ing busy with a workup and finding it hard to write while having to pack minimalist for trips.

CJCJ
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 @Tango9 Thanks! 

BrandonWebb
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 @CJCJ good suggestion.

Tango9
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From Benning's latest class.  THAT does not look vegged up to me...?  http://www.fortbenningphotos.com/Maneuver-Center-Schools-and/Sniper-School/2011-04-12-Sniper-School/16601510_hH8mQj/1250977813_usaew#!i=1250985459&k=pQRnR&lb=1&s=XL

Canopylight
Canopylight 5pts

 @Tango9 I'm no stalking master or even a sniper, but it's possible he's in some sort of dead space that only his upperbody is visible to the target.

Tango9
Tango9 5pts

 @Canopylight In seriousness, though, if it's stalking, then you have to get from A to B and I've just never seen someone that exposed (including weapon). 

Tango9
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 @BrandonWebb  @Canopylight Brandon,   "the snipers were using best available cover and hanging it out a bit."

 

We were going after the Army guy in the link I posted, not the SEALs

ArcticWarrior
ArcticWarrior 5pts

 @katgirl231  @Tango9  @Canopylight

 Im not sure what you mean so I would have to say no.

Arctic Warriors = USARAK Alaska Command

But I have seen Arctic Wolves up close, when I would run my dog team they would ghost us occasionally when we would get out off the Big Susitna River. Always a great feeling getting an "escort" for 5 or 6 miles.

katgirl231
katgirl231 5pts

 @ArcticWarrior  @Tango9  @Canopylight jes' wonderin' if you were with that bunch but just idle curiosity

ArcticWarrior
ArcticWarrior 5pts

 @katgirl231  @Tango9  @Canopylight

 What about the Arctic Wolves Kat?

ArcticWarrior
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 @Tango9  @Canopylight

 Lol...yeah that would be me

Tango9
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 @ArcticWarrior  @Canopylight LMAO arctic. 

 

Instructor A:  "Hey, dumbass... you know you're covered in poison sumac, right?"

me/you:  um. shit.

Instructor A:  "good luck!"

katgirl231
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 @ArcticWarrior  @Tango9  @Canopylight ...and Tango, I am seriously impressed with that no-man's land you've got for a front or back yard!!  Talk about fields-of-fire

katgirl231
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 @ArcticWarrior  @Tango9  @Canopylight Arctic - been meaning to ask (and I wouldn't feel bad if you didn't want to answer), but Arctic Wolves?  I did do a bowhunting crawl once through a huge field of Angeles Forest poison oak in Fall when there are no leaves....thank goodness for Prednisone.  @Tango9 "Plausible Deniability" Your parrots might or might not have taught the squirrels to recognize our host, but you're not sure of your recollection :)   Trained Malinois Squirrels, bent over in utter concentration while Tango9 wafts surfer wetsuit under their noses.

Tango9
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 @katgirl231 ... I've had 3 months to train my squirrels.  They have a pencil upon which they've etched "LiTaL MiSSarY"  There's posters of Brandon all over the PVC pipes where they live.  You're undermining my efforts here Kat!

ArcticWarrior
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 @Tango9  @Canopylight

 Dude Id end up putting the poison sumac in my mesh

katgirl231
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 @Tango9  @BrandonWebb  @Canopylight ....and then Pashto for "ow....chest. wounds. Suck."

katgirl231
katgirl231 5pts

 @Tango9  heyyyy idea <chorus of oh ohs> I could take donations and make a major serious laser pointer for Brandon?  I think I can get an old one from the "Gort" factory.

katgirl231
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 @Tango9  @BrandonWebb  @Canopylight Ahhhh "Dar es Schplack"

Tango9
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 @katgirl231  @BrandonWebb  @Canopylight I think it sounds like a sternum exiting between shoulder blades and sounds like "SCHPLACK!"

katgirl231
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 @Tango9  @ArcticWarrior  @Canopylight haha now you guys have given me a serious giggle attack!  Snickers and video-game wrappers? :D j/k j/k

katgirl231
katgirl231 5pts

 @BrandonWebb  @Tango9  @Canopylight haha Thank you Brandon for my first evil out-loud laugh today!  (gawd I'm strange :P)  btw What's Pashto for "Dwoh?"

katgirl231
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 @ArcticWarrior  @Tango9  @Canopylight along with making sure none of your blast signature is seen - yikes!  Now that's my idea of a great time, crawling for 500yds soaking, sopping, heavy and cold Ghillie and then finding your eyepiece fogging up!  Whoo Hoo!  Oh yeah, then hearing some NCO on the 20x yelling "Tree Cancer!"

Tango9
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 @katgirl231  @Canopylight As long as Brandon doesn't have a laser pointer....

Tango9
Tango9 5pts

 @BrandonWebb  @Canopylight Those are FNs they're sporting, as well, kicking back to the other thread....

katgirl231
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 @Tango9  @Canopylight ...with legs and feet underneath moving by running and plops to that cartoon music!

Tango9
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 @BrandonWebb  @Canopylight LOL Brandon.  Nothing say's "shoot me" like an AK flailing over your head.  Too bad they're not all that easy.

Tango9
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 @ArcticWarrior  @Canopylight You don't want to see an AF guy + ghullie.  I'd have Snickers wrappers on my head.

ArcticWarrior
ArcticWarrior 5pts

 @BrandonWebb  @Tango9  @Canopylight

 Thats a crazy picture. The guy on glass in the middle, is he callin gout movement?

BrandonWebb
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 @Tango9  @Canopylight The guys in the photo are killing a couple of Talib asses that were taking pot shots at the guys...one in particular thought he was out of range and started yelling and pumping his gun in the air at the Infidels...one of which was a SEAL sniper who soon thereafter gave him some aircon in his chest cavity....the snipers were using best available cover and hanging it out a bit....get some.

ArcticWarrior
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 @Tango9  @Canopylight

 Sasquatch! No you dont want that. Fieldcraft is such an artform. We need BW or Jack to do an article on that, the tricks and tips, OPSEC friendly of course.

Seriously its hard to get right and thats before a stalk begins. Then throw in balls out accurate shooting, combined thats a serious skill set.

ArcticWarrior
ArcticWarrior 5pts

 @Tango9

 Look at the base of his tripod, he has his garnish laying there. Possibly the PAO Photog had him do a glamour shot.

ArcticWarrior
ArcticWarrior 5pts

 @Canopylight

 Thats what Id go with, his stalk/crawl suit looks exposed from that camera angle. Face towards the bad guy it wouldnt look so bad, a brownish blob, but hed better get back down so he doesnt skyline

Tango9
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 @Canopylight I'll defer.  I'm not a sniper.  But I guarantee I'd look like a giant bush!

Canopylight
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 @Tango9 I'm sure he crawled there, found his way behind a bush or crest and stood up to get visual on target.

Tango9
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 @Canopylight Me either, brother, but from everything BW has told me and everything I've read:  I want to look like a shrubbery (Monty Python:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UbtcmjfKa8  )  the Knights of Ni were pretty shrubbed up lol

AUNITEDPEOPLE
AUNITEDPEOPLE 5pts

@Tango9@Canopylight@ArcticWarrior

You mean like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zekiZYSVdeQ

ArcticWarrior
ArcticWarrior 5pts

 @katgirl231  @Tango9  @BrandonWebb  @Canopylight

 Yeah those squirrels that like a miracle of nature are now the loudest things in the woods after yourself.

Tango9
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 @katgirl231  @BrandonWebb  @Canopylight Where I live there are no trees:  all dead space in in lines of drift behind hills and easily mined with cases of beer.

katgirl231
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 @Tango9  @BrandonWebb  @Canopylight Dang!  Squirrels!  Worse yet - Squirrels with SoCal Oak trees and a 1/2 foot deep layer of nice crunchy (snap, crackle, pop) dead oak leaves and branches below.  They're not scolding you - they're laughing at you!

katgirl231
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 @Tango9  @Canopylight For me you wouldn't have even needed the link once you mentioned that you needed some nice schwubbery

Tango9
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 @BrandonWebb  @Canopylight I have squirrels posted in all dead space, mister.  You'll need to veg up!

BrandonWebb
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 @Tango9  @Canopylight Dead space is key....no veg required with it...only for the super stealth ops..

ArcticWarrior
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 @Tango9

 A shrubbery!!!!

Tango9
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Correction it was from last year (April)

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