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Russian Combatives System

by · July 7, 2012 · Posted In: Coalition SOF
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This is a great video that reminds me of the Scientific Combat Reactionary System (SCARS) program we used in the SEALs in the 90′s. I love the fact that they don’t use padding, sometimes getting punched in the nose builds character…

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Robertkyle
Robertkyle

I think its safe to say this video is pretty cool, but that guys mustache and track suit are about 5 times cooler.  On top of that he's obviously got a sense of humor.

USNSsquid
USNSsquid

So I take it I may not get an answer if the SEALs use a Combatives system. I figured they do because out of all of the Special Operators, they probably spend the most time in close quarters than other SF in the US, boarding ships, small confined spaces, oil rigs. If someone could help me out that would help alot. Please and thank you. Read more: http://sofrep.com/8959/russian-combatives-system/#ixzz20OUefHGO

Robertkyle
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 @USNSsquid Objectively speaking all US SOF have very similar fighting systems/shooting systems/training systems/equipment/_______(you can fill in the blank here) Basically we all trained more than less in same thing.  Maybe just a few tweaks here and there based on situations more commonly faced such as the one you mentioned for the SEALs.  

 

If I could sum up in couple of sentences the combative system used by most SOF, my experience being SF, it would be a good mix of everything, solidified by the fundamental basics, and based on a battle field that isn't a 1 vs. 1 fight.  Think 360 awareness and also remove on thought of any fancy moves.  Simply put if a guy jumps on your back at 9,500 feet in Afghanistan when its pitch black how do you survive?  

 

I think we all appreciate videos like this none the less

USNSsquid
USNSsquid

 @Robertkyle Absolutely, it is good to have someone from the SF community confirm that there is something our SF guys use. And what you explained makes perfect sense. I would not think of it as a one on one fight. You kick in a door and maybe there are 2 or 3 enemies. Military Combatives is not a Martial Art as most put it but an effective way of putting someone down as fast and simple as possible. I just didn't know what the system/s were that the SEALs used specific for their mission.  You tend to as I said believe SEALs are in the closest of spaces out of our SF line up. Not to say a GB or Recon Marine wouldn't be in close quarter situations but SEALs seem to fit that perfect CQ mission. You here of SCARS and RAT, CQD the list goes on for what the SEALs use as their Combatives system. I just wanted to know there was something the SEALs use. Thank you very much sir and I plan on joining the SF community as soon as my college year is up.

Robertkyle
Robertkyle

 @USNSsquid Oh and this is of course without me naming the system/s directly or their sometimes well known instructors.  

jrexilius
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Looks like the old guy studied pa-kua..  centerline rotation, fluid arm rotation, hooks..  and the first rule of Rusky Combatives is.. YOU DONT TALK ABOUT RUSKY COMBATIVES. 

 

It's the only way to fight and train, no pads, learn to take a hit.

 

 

LCPL Xtreme
LCPL Xtreme

 @jrexilius

 

I noticed they (Russians) are importing, sponsoring visas, of Filipino martial artists lately. I'm also noticing a lot of eskrima empty hand moves here.

 

They just premiered a documentary this past weekend titled "the Bladed Hand":

http://inosanto.com/?p=1576 Which was a project by a Filipino guy training Russian military and police.

jrexilius
jrexilius moderator

 @James6  Eskrima is some good shit.  I trained with an SF guy at DLI on it and it stuck with me for a long time.  I still remember the glint in his eye while discussing the finer points of slicing vs. stabbing..

ThomasVictorio
ThomasVictorio

 @jrexilius  The eskrima/kali knife is fun to learn. Simple for anyone to do. But generally they'd start you with the batons / sticks first. You'll know why when you actually try it.

What you said I saw that somewhere on youtube. SF guys giving Eskrima classes to the Philippine marines... but the Philippinos invented the thing a few hundred years ago. Pretty ironic I say.

USNSsquid
USNSsquid

I hope I am not crossing and lines or OPSEC by asking. I don't have to know the name or what exactly the SEALs system is called or details about it. I just want some conformation that there is a US Navy SEALs combatives system they use. Could someone answer that? I come from a military/law enforcement family so I know the rules. I just figured if I asked anybody who would know it would be on this site. HOOYAH!

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Farlet10
Farlet10

Great Video. I died laughing at around 3:48. Definitely saw that coming.

Ronbo29
Ronbo29

I've long been impressed with the simplicity and flow of Russian Systema.  There is a strong American following, and some real good American senior students teaching...  Look up Ken G., of Progressive Combat Solutions.  he's from the SEAL community, and a real thinking man, great instructor, and Systema practitioner.

 

Ronbo29
Ronbo29

I've long been impressed with the simplicity and flow of Russian Systema.  There is a strong American following, and some real good American senior students teaching...  Look up Ken G., of Progressive Combat Solutions.  he's from the SEAL community, and a real thinking man.

USNSsquid
USNSsquid

If there is anywhere I can believe I know it is here. this is the most legit site for SF info.

PLiner
PLiner

Something in a similar vein where you spend a good deal of time hitting your partner and getting hit in a no nonsense hand to hand ass kicking 101 has been offered for some years by Kelly Mccann/Crucible. It's not martial arts, you don't have to spend hours practicing certain moves and it doesn't require your attacker to attack in a scripted manner. Pretty much all of the moves result in incapacitation of the attacker and or broken bones in as short a time as possible, no rolling around on the ground or protracted fighting. It can be hand to hand, knives, weapons, it all depends on what course you take.

USNSsquid
USNSsquid

 @PLiner I hope I am not crossing and lines or OPSEC by asking. I don't have to know the name or what exactly the SEALs system is called or details about it. I just want some conformation that there is a US Navy SEALs combatives system they use. Could someone answer that? I come from a military/law enforcement family so I know the rules. I just figured if I asked anybody who would know it would be on this site. Thank you for your time guys! HOOYAH!

USNSsquid
USNSsquid

 @PLiner This is what out SEALs train in? Is it part of the Naval Special Warfare Combat Fighting Course? I hear so many stories about what our SEALs train in for their combatives system from CQD by Duane Dieter to SCARS, NSWCFC ect. 

USNSsquid
USNSsquid

I am not sure what system the SEALs use now but I am really interested. I am doing a project on them.

USNSsquid
USNSsquid

Do we still use the SCARS system?

2POODYTANG
2POODYTANG

@BrandonTWebb u guys need to have a chat w sonny pazukas if u want to learn about systema.

wadea1974
wadea1974

@BrandonTWebb I seen that today, that old russian would whip a lot of folks ass before they could blink!

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Doctore
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@Matt2 From what little I read of it, it very nearly is. Start with Sambo, add a heavy dose of kinesiology and physiology, pull your favorites from Escrima and Krav, and finish with the desire to diable the opponent, minus any "let him know who's boss so he runs while he can" nonsense.

jrexilius
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 @Matt2  I was thinking street pa-kua..  But yeah, some rounded krav, in there.

ArcticWarrior
ArcticWarrior

 @Matt2

 Thats funny because after about the third time watchiing it I thought the same things.

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ArcticWarrior
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 @Matt2

 Fedor and the headstrike!  I have noticed that on a lot of the YT vids from Russia, they just train, where ever with whatever. Got to admit the tracksuit guy is slapping that boy silly.

kevinnash69
kevinnash69 like.author.displayName 1 Like

0:52 he got that from michael jackson

eod1286
eod1286 like.author.displayName 1 Like

what i find funny is that i highly doubt that the majority of these moves would never work. it looks like wing chung to me.

jrexilius
jrexilius moderator

 @eod1286  yeah, the moves would likely be a fail, but the motion would do the trick. Once you start getting used to rotating around the axis and treating limbs like guide rails the specific moves become less relevant.  In real life, you'd have to follow that up with some damn good grappling as that what that is really good at, getting in position for a choke/take down.

 

Ben K
Ben K

Systema?  Awesome.  Seems to be a lot of striking compared to US combatives, which always seem to be more grapple-heavy in the vids.

Old PH2
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The Russians have always brought the pain.  We old cold warriors remember them as able opponents.  Why do you think the Muj hated the Spetnaz so much in Afghanistan?  

 

Any one else been reading the articles in Shotgun News from Marco Vorobiev?  Great first hand look at the Soviet experience in Afghanistan during the 80's.

JackMurphyRGR
JackMurphyRGR moderator

I always wanted to find someone in the US who teaches Sistema...always sounded interesting to me.

Soviet
Soviet

 @JackMurphyRGR First of all, it's Systema. Something that I liked of Systema is... You are always relaxed :P.

 

 

primoyvostro
primoyvostro

 @JackMurphyRGR A lot of US cities with Russian communities will have free training groups in parks.  There was a Russian doctor in Tucson, AZ,  that I took a few lessons from.  He operated much like the guy in this video.  Lots of character building, as he was sure to punch everyone in the face.

NMOne
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I would not wanna fuck around with that old man. He reminds me of the old school soldiers and sailors that could drink all night, brawl, nail the bar waitress and still show up ready to pound out morning PT at 0500.

 

Nice to see something different from the Russians other than the back-flipping hatchet tossing Vodka Ninja

BrandonWebb
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 @NMOne I knew more than a few old school UDT/SEAL Nam guys that fit that description. Crusty fuckers kicked the shit out of us new guys at PT when we got to Team 3.