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Home » AFSOC » Digital Asymmetric Warfare: Is It Possible?

Digital Asymmetric Warfare: Is It Possible?

by Uri · September 24, 2012 · Posted In: AFSOC, Special Operations
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Sophisticated and complex to implement, long-term cyber attacks are often considered the work of intelligence agencies and crime syndicates. However, the oversight and bureaucracy that comes from such management often hinders the ultimate lethality of the attack.

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In this paper, we will examine the significant impact of a lone-wolf patriot hacker has had over the course of the last two years, and what important lessons we can learn from him on how to wage a successful fight in this domain. We will highlight the relatively successful patriot hacking campaign of The Jester.

Read the rest here: The Jester Dynamic: A Lesson in AsymmetricUnmanaged Cyber Warfare

 

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Packetknife
Packetknife 5pts

Asymmetric warfare - no - as warfare defines a particular set of constraints and objectives. People use "war" entirely too often as a slang term but in this growing space there is enough ignorance, we don't need to propagate it. Can particular actors or operations maintain asymmetric parity (e.g. Jester?) or overwhelming asymmetric dominance (e.g. STUXNET?) for a period of time - sure - complete with massive limitations and risks. Not just Legal.

 

The problem is that it's a false promise - it reinforces all the things you were trying to stop in the first place:

 

On one hand it gives leaders (who haven't written a single SLOC) the idea they can dominate the space and invest in weaponry without any understanding of the limited use, re-use blowback potential, or inherit inability to keep the secret sauce secret.

 

On the other hand you get the same leaders (who still haven't written a single SLOC) thinking about "air gaps" and Nation-State Intranets. Einstein N+1 or whatever. This causes two types of problems depending on the particular N-S's starting point: 1) It continued to reinforce the failed proposition that all major threats are N-S and as such you "need" Government level response. Wait for Government and you've already failed. 2) For emerging markets they'll get caught up in N-S Intranets and controls and hinder their economic development which then provides a lager window and base for the extremism that was trying to be flushed out in the first place.

 

Cutting that short (it can get quite long) there is something I still don't understand. If you're going with offensive capabilities and even if you are ignorant of the basics (as many decision makers are) - why aren't they playing for keeps? I've said it before, they need to do the "stupid they know" as soon as their little dalliance doesn't work out. For example, there is no reasonable definition in which the ~goal~ of preventing Nuclear Iran was helped by STUXNET. And delay came with other potentially harder costs. So the moment STUXNET unraveled and you've ALSO opened up the 'Pandora's Box'** then drop some kinetic reality on the situation. Remind people Cyber can and WILL end kinetically - it's up to them. Anyhow.. -Pk

 

 

** - Yeah yeah - all the big players were doing it. I'm taking about the specifics of N-S on N-S Infrastructure attacks and more specifically what happens when the ROEs aren't established for the lesser players (after all that's what most treaties ~really~ do, just set rules for the ones not big enough to break them).

TheArgent
TheArgent 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

Not just can be much more done in this field than what the Jester is doing, but a lot more IS being done. Hell you wouldn't believe half the stuff that crosses my desk (some of this shit is getting SERIOUSLY advanced!) but there's plenty to point to. Think Stuxnet and its assortment of offspring, Operation Orchard as alluded to by Richard Clark in his book, all the Cyber Intelligence work that various experts are doing (such as Jeff Bardin who was mentioned earlier) and of course all the brilliantly devious looting China is partaking in through massive IP theft through cyber "crime".

 

I put that last word in quotes because hey, if a country does it its either Taxation or an Act of War, but I digress. What just gets me every time is how very little the rest of the world seems to care about the absolutely massive thieving thats going on. Have you seen the pictures of China's new fighter jet? Its almost a complete clone of the F35. Kiss your massive research budget goodbye peeps! China's already got the specs (for free) and you can bet your ass they will know exactly what its limitations are. Thats just one instance and it was years ago. In the last few years they've systematically rooted through the entire Fortune 500 and every company of note in every interesting industry. If you can still call them a developing nation, thats about to end in a big hurry.

shooten
shooten 5pts

 @TheArgent The other scary thing is that they have the brains to take that information and do something with it.  The PhD's I see coming out of China are top notch.  Many of them are getting their doctorate's here and going back to teach in the Chinese Universities.  Their grad schools are becoming very good because of this.  You're dead on about the plunder of Fortune 500 companies.  I've seen it first hand.

TheArgent
TheArgent 5pts

 @shooten As have I. Their approach has been nothing less than military. They don't only send their students out to learn from the West, but they have also consistently invited big corporations to come base themselves in China, staff it with chinese laborers to learn all the tricks and then have the company booted out of the country when knowledge transfer is complete. A few months later you will see a clone of said company appear, ready to do exactly the same thing. This has been very true for social media companies such as Google, Facebook etc.

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts

 @shooten  @TheArgent For the most part, they're deficient in just crap we learned in 9th grade:  basic geometry, trig, algebra.  I spend the first 4 weeks of Phys I pounding into their heads the difference between area and volume, no shit. 

shooten
shooten 5pts

 @Tango9  @TheArgent That's awesome Tango9.  My undergrad physics professor set me on my course.  I owe him a lot.  BZ. 

 

Our kids have such a disadvantage coming out of our schools though.  The Chinese and Indian guys are doing something right.  I'm one of 6 American guys in a hardware R&D group.

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts

 @shooten  @TheArgent As a data point:  After grading, class prep, teaching, and student assistance, I worked out the pay (University of Colorado).  As a half-time instructor I make $10/hr.

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @shooten  @TheArgent I teach undergrad physics and I'll tell you absolutely:  the ones here on student visas outperform their domestic counterparts by a solid margin.  All I can do as a teacher is be the best gd teacher I can to ensure our kids are mental ninjas as well. 

 

Not kidding, it places a lot of pressure on the instructors that care... if I have to drag our kids kicking and screaming into not sucking I'll do it, it costs me a fortune in time.  For those of you who've taught:  you can't bring your A game anymore you have to bring your A++ game, off hours, answer e-mails, provide teaching notes, solutions, extended office hours. 

 

For every 4 credit hour class I teach, I put in 25 hours a week (including the 4 teaching).  Hardest, lowest paying job I've ever had.

Tango9
Tango9 moderator 5pts

 @shooten  @TheArgent Read Jack's Reflexive Fire on how to get a USB drive in... just sayin :)

shooten
shooten 5pts

 @TheArgent All true.  They also send people to these companies with USB harddrives and a Fedex envelope.  Companies don't take IPR security seriously.  Even if they did, I'm not sure they can stop that.

ufridman
ufridman 5pts

@Treadstone71LLC you know it is.

Treadstone71LLC
Treadstone71LLC 5pts

@ufridman Indubitably

shooten
shooten 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 3 Like

Interesting paper.  I especially liked the quote (paraphrasing), "a small team of A players can run circles round a giant team of B and C players".  I think that's the reason that SOF are so effective.  It's true enough in the engineering world as well.

FcukStryker
FcukStryker 5pts

@th3j35t3r https://t.co/k5YUvxno You're killing it.

CatalystZer0
CatalystZer0 5pts

@th3j35t3r You're famous.

CatalystZer0
CatalystZer0 5pts

@LauraWalkerKC @SOFREP Link is down... is this TJ's article? "Digital Asymmetric Warfare"

LauraWalkerKC
LauraWalkerKC 5pts

@CatalystZer0 @SOFREP yes, it is the SANS report

jeffreycarr
jeffreycarr 5pts

Apart from his good motivations, the Jester's actions are totally illegal. He knows that, of course, which is why he's so cautious with his identity. 

Packetknife
Packetknife 5pts

 @jeffreycarr I'm surprised you take to being so quiet being repeatedly mentioned in context w/ Bardin given the Vigilant - erm - connection. -Pk

LauraWalkerKC
LauraWalkerKC moderator 5pts

 @jeffreycarr This is a very serious point.  Jester assumes the legal risk, and has no illusions about it. 

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LauraWalkerKC
LauraWalkerKC moderator 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

 @TomRyan It's true, he's not the Jester. 

 

Somewhere in Michigan, a tiny, jelly filled container imploded.

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LauraWalkerKC
LauraWalkerKC moderator 5pts

 @TomRyan maybe a speak & spell book.

HugeFan
HugeFan moderator 5pts

@LauraWalkerKC@TomRyan"Somewhere in Michigan, a tiny, jelly filled container imploded."

 

That was killer...

ShinigamiDred
ShinigamiDred 5pts

Wow wish I had this when my annalist paper on hacktivist for my intel class was do, took me forever to get different sources on some stuff. Actually found out about an ongoing effort to create a government coordinating system for civilian based operations. here is a niffty little article I had found on the subject for https://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2012/09/09/6568213.htm

LauraWalkerKC
LauraWalkerKC moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @ShinigamiDred  Jeff Bardin is amazing :)

iceviking
iceviking 5pts

//**start thread jack

--j3st3r got busted for phake hacks */

rusty_rebar
rusty_rebar 5pts

@BrandonTWebb isn't that the point?

mikk0j
mikk0j 5pts

@BrandonTWebb All 'digital' warfare is assymmetric in nature. The utilization of #cyberweps is force multiplier.

TickTocksc
TickTocksc 5pts

@BrandonTWebb Yes @th3j35t3r is proof...

ufridman
ufridman 5pts

@BrandonTWebb what do you think? I think it's possible And we should be doin it more

MattFanning
MattFanning 5pts

Interesting paper but I find it ironic that everyone calls him a "patriot hacker" while I see plenty of military and SOF bloggers citing the material he tried to suppress.  China and Russia both have hacker militias that they don't bother as long as they don't target domestic entities.  On the other hand I think it is safe to say that the Jester would be facing dozens of felony charges were he ever doxed.

LauraWalkerKC
LauraWalkerKC moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

 @MattFanning what suppressed material?

MattFanning
MattFanning 5pts

 @LauraWalkerKC The Wikileaks cables.

LauraWalkerKC
LauraWalkerKC moderator 5pts

 @MattFanning Wikileaks published classified cables stolen by Bradley Manning.  Jester punished Wikileaks.

 

How does anyone else citing the cables affect Jester's patriotism?

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