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Home » Op-Ed » The United States’ Slippery Slope to Syria

The United States’ Slippery Slope to Syria

by Isaiah Burkhart · March 11, 2013 · Posted In: Op-Ed
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The U.S. policy on aid to Syria is tilting dangerously in the direction of military support. There are many who believe that the situation in Syria should be treated similar to the regime overthrow in Libya. It has become increasingly normal to see media outlets using the ‘cookie cutter’ method in their analysis of countries within Northern Africa, the Middle East, and Southwest Asia.

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“Oh, these countries contain Muslims and it’s hot there, they must be the same.”

These countries are not identical, as seen in the United States war efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan. For many years, the two countries were militarily approached in a similar way and we are seeing how that is turning out. Almost 12 years of fighting in Afghanistan, and an Iraq that is in shambles, are examples of why these conflicts should not be viewed with a cookie cutter eye piece.

Recently, Secretary of State John Kerry spoke at a joint press conference at Doha’s al-Wajba Palace with Qatari Prime Minister Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim bin Jaber al-Thani. Kerry stated that he believes that weapons are reaching Syrian rebels, and that the United States supports such efforts. He also said that the U.S. had yet to and will not directly send weapons to the Syrian rebels.

There are very concerning allegations, from various foreign news agencies, that have started to materialize in recent days. Since late 2012, reporters on the ground in Syria have noticed an influx of Yugoslavian weapons circulating throughout the rebels. A Croatian newspaper claims:

3,000 tons of weapons dating back to the former Yugoslavia have been sent in 75 planeloads from Zagreb airport to the rebels, largely via Jordan since November.

Supposedly these  weapons were paid for by Saudi Arabia at the bidding of the United States.

Another allegation includes the U.S. sending stockpiled weapon from Afghanistan to the Syrian rebels once we have pulled the majority of troops out of the country. Weather either of the two allegations are true or not, it must raise some awareness as to what our plans and intentions are regarding aid to the Syrian rebels.

The US may or may not be directly sending weapon to the Syrian rebels, yet supporting armament of such rebels is one step away from actually throwing our hand in the ring. Kerry also stated that he believes the weapons that are shipped to Syria from other sympathizing countries are reaching ‘moderate’ fighters. Where is the substantiating evidence that moderate rebels are the only fighters receiving these weapons? Yes, there are many rebel forces that are simple working men wanting a free and democratic society. Yet to believe that al-Qaeda is not heavily involved in the fighting, and aid/weapons are not reaching their hands as well, screams ignorance.

With a sequestration that came into effect on March 1st, there are are other questions that must be raised, to include, how has Secretary of State Kerry managed to gather 60 million dollars to give as non-military aid to the rebels fighting Bashar al-Assad’s military?

With these recent developments, don’t be surprised a decade from now if an Iran-Contra like political scandal is uncovered and SOF are fighting the very same weapons that were supposedly never sent.

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I served in 3rd Battalion 75th Ranger Regiment from 2003-2008. Almost four years of the time spent in 3/75 was spent in the sniper section. I am a graduate of US Army Airborne School, US Army Ranger School, US Army Sniper School, Special Forces Sniper Course, and the US Marine Corps Summer Mountain Scout Sniper Course. I have competed in the US Army International Sniper Competition as well as the US Army Small Arms Championships on three separate occasions. I currently live in Corvallis, Oregon and hold a Bachelors of Science in Biology from Oregon State University.

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Surf375
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http://imgur.com/thdRQhH

 

Only game left in town is to fully support a complete and free Kurdistan (Iraq, Turkey & Syria).

Every effort in the ME should be focused on this.

 

I have a feeling the whole arms funneling scheme (not the Syrian expat kind, but DoS/DoD/CIA kind)

is for this... I hope.

 

 

GraceMascorro
GraceMascorro 5pts

 @Surf375 Maybe but very risky. 

isaiahzb
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 @Surf375 Wow, that would be like Israel version 2.0. A country surrounded by countries that want the entire population euthanized. 

Surf375
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 @isaiahzb  

 

Except that they would be organic there, with resources necessary to sustain a strong state and no reverse aliyah (emigration, 'yeridah') phenomenon necessitating non-Jewish immigration (ie, Filipinos, Africans, etc.).

 

Use the unrest in both Iraq and Syria to broker this and convince Turkey that a stopgap to jihadism is necessary, add some EU/NATO carrots for more enticing, I'm sure a deal can be cobbled. 

 

The Jewish experiment is failing (or will fail). 

 

 

StormR
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According to my email, the US is already in Syria:  "I am Capt. David Michael, assigned to 2nd Battalion, 3rd Marine Regiment, 3rd Marine Division, 3rd Marine Expeditionary Force, western Anbar Province in Syria. I am desperately in need of assistance and I have summoned up courage to contact you. I am presently in Syria and I found your contact particulars in an address journal. I am seeking your assistance to evacuate the sum of $10,570,000 (Ten million Five Hundred and Seventy Thousand USD) to the States or any safe country; as far as I can be assured that it will be safe in your care until I complete my service here. This is no stolen money and there are no dangers involved."

 

Recently I've gotten several emails from US soldiers serving in Syria.  The streets must be paved in gold.   Gee, I'm honored he would trust me with his $10 million, and I wonder who left my name and address in a journal in Syria.  Ahhh, life's little mysteries :)   

Old PH2
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 @StormR I've been hearing from other units in Nigeria, shit fire are boys must be getting some!

Still can't figure out why the Bank froze my accounts............fuckers!

StormR
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 @Old PH2  That lovely Nigerian Prince stopped emailing me :(    ROFL..you so funny!

hjw1dr
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Just saw an interesting clip from FOX NEWS on "The American" who is ex- US Army man who is fighting with

Al Qaeda in Syria.  

Eric Harroun, 30, grew up in Phoenix before joining the U.S. Army in 2000. Although Harroun was never deployed during his three-year hitch, he has seen plenty of combat fighting with Syrian rebels and, more recently, Jabhat al-Nusra, a group the U.S. State Department classifies as an alias for Al Qaeda in Iraq.

 

I thought this was an interesting news snippet.  Does any one else have more information on this? 

 

link: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/03/11/muslim-holy-warrior-known-as-american-seen-in-syria/

dickftr
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Thank's ,Brothers,  shooten, Isaiahzb, I'm High school grad and no more. I humped  155 Howitzer round's. I listen and read the new's. I've started MANY young horse colt's and out smarted many old wise cow's. If it were not for the shit on my 214,  I would be a good Rep for elected office. Cow's are a lot smarter than a lot of our elected .

oldSquid
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hell, sounds like the shit on your 214 would make you a perfect candidate for office these days.

 

dickftr
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Thank's Isaiah, Our elected are doing a very bad job! I know we (citizens) are being lied to about many.......No support should be given (tax dollars) to any cause, only to proven ally's. Our USA is broke and nearing rehypothacation. I will say that SOF  could make a very nasty hole in area's that would be beneficial to USA if PC were not such a problem with our country. Old cowboy venting.  Dick

Blake Miles
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I have a sinking feeling that even if an Iran-Contra scandal were uncovered, it would be buried and ignored ala Benghazi. I have no faith in the medias ability to convey messages to the average citizen with their heads in sand (or up their asses).

fspaceu
fspaceu 5pts

 @Blake Miles Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104810/?ref_=sr_2

shooten
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 @Blake Miles No way they would cover it.  If Fast and Furious or Benghazi couldn't get their attention, nothing will. 

Old PH2
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If this is typical of the "think tank" agenda that permeates DC then I seriously think we have lost our way.  Seriously, decapitation of the Syrian Air force as a Force equalizer?  

http://www.npr.org/2013/03/12/174080031/what-happens-when-the-u-s-arms-rebels-abroad

The Rand Corp needs to stop looking at their belly buttons.  Seriously......

http://lizditz.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b6fc69e2016767dbc29c970b-450wi

 

HugeFan
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Damn fine write-up dude. I'm getting pretty tired of our elected leadership green lighting this shit. We don't have the FUNDS to play this game right now. We keep pulling our pants down yet complain when our dicks get punched. This is the definition of insanity.

engelbrad
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 @HugeFan

 "yet complain when our dicks get punched".... Respectfully... I think you meant "yet scream when our ass gets fu-BEEP-ed"..... lol Huge!!!

A very smart man once told me giving is a great thing. If someone is hungry... feed them. If someone is lonely... visit them... If someone needs weapons... Take your food and leave.

 

isaiahzb
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 @HugeFan Thank you. It's rediculus that there is even a possibility we are sending weapons to Syria. I don't think that we are ever going to learn. Unfortunately the leadership and representatives (on both sides) are more concerned with their own agenda than the welfare of the people.

Txazz
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 @isaiahzb  @HugeFan Isaiah "a possibility we are sending weapons to Syria. I don't think that we are ever going to learn"

   Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi

AUNITEDPEOPLE
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 @Txazz  @isaiahzb  @HugeFan Ditto!

engelbrad
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 @isaiahzb  @HugeFan

 Great observation! At what point did we allow clowns to pass through the electoral process? We are the problem... not the elected failures... I love the fact that you say "We" and not "They"... I keep hearing too much "They".

 

HugeFan
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 @isaiahzb Hell yeah it's crazy... as in bat-shit-Dennis-Rodman-is-friends-with-Kim-Jong-Un-fucking crazy. Democrat, Indepent or Republican only matters when classifying where we citizens stand, politicians count the loyalties by denomination. Usually beginning with Benjamins.

 

What the hell is in it for anybody at this point? Is to keep chemical weapons from falling into terrorist hands? Well shit, backing a crackpot like Al Assad isn't going to really help. Nor is sending CAG and SOF to feel out the rebel leaders. Bin Laden was a rebel leader and we all know where that fuckin' put us. Too many Americans and Allies have died on foreign soil as it is, when does it stop?

 

That is only half rhetorical brother.

Minou_Demimonde
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@HugeFan @isaiahzb Didn't sound rhetorical to me at all. Sounded like a valid question.

KineticFury
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Hey! Reminds me of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR-A4QFHZBA

 

 

engelbrad
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 @KineticFury

 And there have been many additions since this video!

-BLACK-
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To finish the song and simultaneously display my feelings..."buuurn muthafuckaaaa, buuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrnnnnnn".       I wish it was that easy, but as Spoonts politely put it, I too fear our dudes will be on the business end of the same weapons that  we are not supplying the rebels with.  Idiots are busy trying to push for drone strikes on US soil when there are  plenty of tangos abroad to blow straigh the fuck to hell.  Put those fuckers in 1000 degree flaming pajamas and send them to dance in club hades with special guest, DJ Bielzebub.  

 

AUNITEDPEOPLE
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 @BLACK ACTUAL Yeah, that is the disgusting part of our currently policy in the region, in that, when the shit goes sideways and out of control, then we send our men and women in, and that is just not even cool. Hell, one good American solider is worth more that a thousand of any of those guys!

 

This is just me ranting, but screw the drones, we have loads of cruise missiles that cost a whole lot less and are just as precise!

engelbrad
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 @AUNITEDPEOPLE  @BLACK ACTUAL

 Drones listen very well and take great family photos. They also send flowers. They are the perfect spouse! lol...

AUNITEDPEOPLE
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 @engelbrad  @BLACK ACTUAL Yeah and they can also rain 'hellfire' down on you when you're bad, so a pretty good analogy!

-BLACK-
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 @AUNITEDPEOPLE  True, a tomahawk would suit them up in the saming flaming pajamas or make neat little tango kebabs out of them.  All this talk about blowing up terrorists is making me hungry. 

SEAN SPOONTS(MAFIA)
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Our challenge in Syria is the challenge we face in all these middle eastern kleptocracies; we seem to always end up backing the thugs who bump off the other thugs who used to be running things. The problem with the Arab Spring or Fall or whatever name you want to call it by is that these uprisings begin as popular revolts by people who very well may be interested in democracy, religious tolerance and peace with their neighbors. The problem is they tend to be dreamy pacifists who can't put down the armed islamists in their midst who, once the revolution is successful, take over and start cracking down(as in Egypt right now). Syria strikes me as a mostly sectarian conflict between the rebel Sunni who are 75% of the population and the Shia, Alawites and Christians who make up the other 25%. And from what I can tell the Sunni majority has no interest in sharing power with anyone if they can topple Assad. The rebels see the other three groups as religious heretics whom they have a duty to wipe out. Think Serbian style ethnic cleansing rather than social harmony once Assad is gone. I think that is why the Assad regime is figthing so hard, it's victory or death for them and they know it. This civil war isn't a revolt against Assad but the entire social system and structure in the country. I think we should stay out of it completely, there isn't a winner for us to pick in this fight. If we do back the rebels(groups of which are AQ backed as well) and they win we will have a couple of million Alawite, Christian and Shia Syrian refugees scattered thoughout the world all holding a grudge against the US for helping to topple Assad. Does that mean a lessor chance of terorrism directed at the US, or a greater one? Assad doesnt need our help he is getting all he can stand from China and Russia. Let them take the heat from the Sunnis for that.

SEAN SPOONTS(MAFIA)
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"Foreign countries, including the United States, are secretly training Syrian rebels in Jordan, the German weekly magazine Der Spiegel reported." http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/03/11/report-us-training-syrian-rebels.html?comp=7000023317843&rank=3

AUNITEDPEOPLE
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 @SEAN SPOONTS Thanks for the info on this. Foolish as fuck this late in the game, but nice to have some good intel. And this is what leading from behind gets you...

LuminatedSlave
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AUNITEDPEOPLE
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And this is what you get for 'leading from behind', that exactly what we have been during this 'Arab Spring' (which, if you have to have a name for these kinds of revolutions in this region every so often, you should see that there is a bigger problem!).

 

I completely agree with the whole 'cookie cutter' approach. Between the two factions of Islam always at each others throats, the Sunnis and the Shias, and the way they interact in different countries, coupled with the level of secularism that creeps into more 'progressive' of each nation, there is no way to treat any of the Islamic controlled countries the same.

 

Back in the day, the way we used diplomacy in instances such as this was simple, money. And I don't mean money going INTO the conflict, but the money that goes into the countries around the conflict. So instead of pumping money or support directly into the conflict, we would pressure the neighboring states to step in and help stabilize the conflict, if possible. Since we give money to practically every nation state on the Earth, we should have been putting pressure on Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey to push for a more amicable solution to this conflict. We also could have put even more pressure on Iran, to help prevent them from fomenting this conflict.

 

We used to be a mighty nation, and not just militarily, but by the influence we had with the nations that we had good, or even decent relations with, but today, we just don't have the 'pull' we used to have and now it's coming back to haunt us in a very bad way. And now that we are in this position, we are pretty much forced to either sit on the sidelines and watch, or jump in and get our hands dirty and since most Americans are fed up with 'war' (and I use that term loosely), the latter is much less of an option. So in the end, the way this 'admin' has decided to participate in these conflicts, is again, with money, but on the back end and to the wrong people, from behind...

AUNITEDPEOPLE
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I almost said, "The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire. We don't need no water let tha' mutherf*cker burn.", is not really a foreign policy, but I thought that might be a little insensitive considering the stakes.

shooten
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I guess we're picking our poison.  Iran has been there for years and is actively supporting the Assad regime with troops and material.  Do we poke a finger in Iran's eye or do we support our moral enemy, Al Qaeda?  Either way, it's not good for us or Israel.  The really scary thing is that we've put our policy into the hands of John "Ghengis Khan" Kerry.  I sleep better now.  Not. 

 

Egypt is a major cluster f*ck.  I don't see us doing much better in Syria.

ufridman
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 @shooten Without getting into politics here, I think the US should stay AWAY from syria and leave the revels and Assad forces just kill each other. I feel bad for the innocent civilians, but the truth is that in part they allowed this to happen.

 

Sorry if this sounds harsh, but that's the truth.

oldSquid
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AGREED, Uri. Best option is to let them kill each other off to the last man, then somebody come in an finish him. But that would open up a whole 'nother can o' worms...

shooten
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 @ufridman I agree with you.  It's not harsh given the reality of the situation there.  We don't have any good options in this conflict.  I would feel better if I knew that Assad's (and probably Saddam's) chemical weapons were secured but I don't think that's been thought out yet.

oldSquid
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I'm the same way - those chem weapons are going to wind up in some very nasty hands before it's all said and done.

oldSquid
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and don't forget ... Ghengis Kerry called Assad a dear friend and went to see him how many times?

 

shooten
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 @oldSquid I didn't know that.  That's scary enough.  I think that says a lot about how Kerry treats his friends given we're supporting the other side.

oldSquid
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 @shooten read an article before he became Sec State(shortly before confirmation? I've slept since then, so...)  that as a SENATOR he visited Assad a number of times - 'on his own' and called him a friend - had dinners with him in Damascus. It odes make one wonder just which side he is on and what the 'end game' is. His vists definitely occurred after our current president took office.

 

flhtse05
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Is it just me or has someone else seen that in each of these cases, "WE" are giving aid to the extremists. Isn't this pattern alarming to anyone? I think what is going on will make Iran-Contra look like childs play. Keep up the good work SOFREP!

SrLynch488
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@BrandonTWebb always enjoy reading, and I haven't taken the time to properly thank you for what you do now & your service to our Country

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The same will happen as in Egypt, Tunisia and Libya. The western media and so called "leaders" are quick to spread a fairy tale about how those people want freedom and democracy. The problem is, if we're perfectly honest and look at the facts, islam and democracy aren't compatible. Modern democracy is based on the idea that every single vote is equal. Man, women, black, white, yellow, red, tall, big, thin, fat, Christian, Jew, Atheist, Buddhist.

 

That's not possible under islamic law. An "infidel" (anyone who doesn't follow islam) cannot be equal to a "muslim" (which means "true believer".) If we're very strict with the "law", then an "infidel" is a criminal, after all the "infidel" refuses to follow islam and Allah, which, according to some "scholars" and islamic "judges" is a crime worse than murder or rape.

 

In case of Assad, why is there a rebellion? Simple. Because dictator Assad isn't "islamic" enough. They want more jihad, more sharia, more of the way things were under the so called prophet. Just like it was in Tunisia. In Egypt. In Libya.

 

Of course people will then say that islam is peaceful. That is partly true. Or at least used to be. When Mohammed started out he was a peaceful leader, trying to copy a lot from Jesus (Old Mo was generally not very creative, he "copied" massive amounts from other religions and cults, the five times a day kneeling for example, stolen from a local cult; Allah? Originally a pre-islamic moon-deity, etc), but ultimately he wasn't really successful with that. He failed. Totally. And eventually he was even kicked out of town.

 

After that his approached changed. He became a conqueror and warlord. He waged war and fought in 66 battles. Under him Arabia became effectively free of Jews, because, well, he killed them, after all those Jews dared to not follow him. So he had them all slaughtered. Oh, maybe I should mention that, once Mohammed went all genocidal maniac, the numbers of his followers swelled. It is required of male mohammedans to try and be like Mohammed. So it's not really a surprise that things in those places are the way they are.

 

Of course, that's assuming Mohammed even existed and factual evidence for that is very, very, VERY thin and scarce.

 

Hmm, and for everything I just said I would spend, at least, a few years in jail in every single islamic country I can think of. If I'm lucky. If not, well, we know what they do when they get "angry".

 

Now, if I was to say this in Europe, or even in the US, well... the same media and politicians who're so quickly spreading the lie that "islam is peace" would go at me for spreading hatred and would call me an "islamophobe". Yes, facts are now hatred. In some EU countries I would be put on trial and, most likely, would even be convicted of "hate speech", "inciting hatred" and similar nonsense. Meanwhile left wingers (who love islam so much, go figure, totalitarians of the world unite!) can scream for killing police officers, soldiers and rich people. Mohammedans and converts can call for jihad and for gassing the Jews (so seen a few years ago across the EU when the mohammedans and their left wing lapdogs marched through EU cities and screamed "Intifada against Israel!" and "Hamas! Hamas! Gas the Jews!")

 

And before I forget... "Deutsche wehrt euch, kauft nicht bei Juden"? (Germans don't buy Jewish, the famous 3rd Reich banner) It's back. It's now called "being critical of Israel". Of course criticism of the "Palestinians" or islam in general is seen as "racism" and "islamophobia" by the same people. Nothing has changed. Europe is back in the 1930s, anti-Semitism is going up, partly thanks to uncontrolled immigration from islamic countries (people who, generally, don't contribute but rather only demand), but also because today's European youth has been heavily indoctrinated by the 1968er generation (who're now calling the shots) into hating their own countries and everything connected to capitalism and freedom (perfect example: Sweden today is the most anti-Semitic country in the western world, Jews have been fleeing Malmö because of mohammedan attacks, and the Swedish politicians, media and activists want more of those mohammedans in the country.) And if you Americans aren't very careful, you'll be there soon as well.

 

Kemal Atatürk had the right idea. He separated islam from the Turkish government and with that Turkey became a modern nation. Sadly, that too is over. Führer Erdogan and his cronies have been working hard to change that and today Turkey isn't far away from becoming another sharia hellhole.

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 @Edohiguma It's even more complicated than that.  Yes, there are Syrians who want something more along the lines of a Western Democracy, just like there are modernist Egyptians who want the same thing.  They are outnumbered by the jihadists, however, and ultimately cannot organize or use force to the same extent.  Look at the dissidents in Iran.  Add in tribal differences and vendettas and it gets even worse.

ufridman
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There is also the issue of what would happen with all that aid if Assad is finally gone.

 

I can tell you: the rebels will use all that money NOT to rebuild their cities and provide to those that need it, but to buy weapons and focus on continuing their fight, only this time against Israel.

 

That's the nature of the beast there.

 

Personally I wouldn't help those revels. They are AQ and other jihadi assholes that want to impose their middle-ages version of the world to people that already had enough crap from years of the Assad family. I don't understand the US, or anyone for that matter, has to send them money. Sure, they seem to be the "good guys" trying to get rid of a dictator, but in reality they are no better than that dictator. The US helping them, either with money or weapons, is a big mistake.

 

I just wanted to vent here.

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 @ufridman Uri, I read a newspaper article yesterday about Pres. Obama's upcoming trip to Israel.  It mentioned two things specifically:  trying to repair the relationship between the two leaders and secondly to discuss giving weapons to Syrian rebels.  I was left with the impression that Israel wanted the US to give weapons and ammo to rebels and to more actively support the rebels.  Do you know what the official government stance is on this?

ufridman
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 @StormR No, but based on knowing the area, knowing how the IDF/Gov/Intel work in Israel, I don't think any Israeli Prime Minister in his right mind would want the US to arm jihadi rebels knowing full well that those weapons will be use in the future against Israel.

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 @ufridman  @StormR I agree Uri. Those weapons would be turned on Israel eventually. To my way of thinking, all the "Arab Spring" stuff (and Syria is just the latest piece of the puzzle) is totally about building the 'Caliphate'( bu Muslim Brotherhood0, and as I said in one of the Mali articles, if you look at a map of the "High Water Mark" of Islam and the current growth of 'jihad' and Arab Spring in the Middle East and North Africa,those maps are looking a lot alike.

StormR
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 @ufridman Thanks for your insight.  I was alarmed by the news article because I believe the US needs to stay far away from the Syrian conflict.  Central/Latin America should have taught us about the dangers of arming rebels. 

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 @ufridman I've been saying for two years the US needs to listen to Russia and stay the hell out of Syria.  There is no good answer to the Syrian problem, but throwing weapons in there is just asking for an epic failure of a nature as yet unseen by man.  Assad and his minions are not angels, arguably he is the hand puppet of the Iranian Al Qods Force.  Right now we have Sunni killing Shia, Druze, Alawites, Sufi's Baha'is, Jews, and Christians.  Hell, it's a fucking Blood bath over in the Thunder dome and every one is killing every one!  The fact that the Syrian regime has advanced anti aircraft, Chemical, and Aviation weapons platforms is enough for all nations to press for containment and a total embargo of all weapons.  Starve them of ammo, all of them, if they want to kill each other they'll have to do it old school, rocks, clubs, and swords.   Fuckers 

ufridman
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 @Old PH2 yup.

oldSquid
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 @ufridman  @Old PH2 double yup.

ufridman
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Oh, and BTW, did I mention the chemical arsenal these "rebels" might have access to? Or Assad sending those weapons to Lebanon, so that they other Iran proxy can use them?

 

Yeah, remember who blew the Marines barracks in the 80s? Yep, it was Hezbollah. Another bunch of people that insist in living in the middle ages, won't stop at nothing to kill those that don't think like them and has as a primary mission the destruction of Israel.

 

They now have chemical weapons.

 

Am I the only one thinking about sending there other things rather than aid?

 

huh....

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